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(ESPN)   MLB, pending owner approval, will institute a replay challenge system beginning in 2014 - 2 challenges in the first 6 innings, 1 challenge from the 7th inning on, all challenges to be reviewed by an umpire at MLB offices   (espn.go.com ) divider line
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2013-08-15 02:38:41 PM  
4 votes:
Great, baseball is officially ruined now. The sanctity of the game is forever tarnished.


Peter von Nostrand: Next remove put the DH from in the American National League as well


FTFY
2013-08-15 02:52:29 PM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Next put the DH in the National League as well


Hell, why not just prostitute the rest of the game and have separate offensive and defensive squads? We'll have  a much higher quality game then.
2013-08-15 02:43:11 PM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Next putdrop the DH in the Nationalfrom the American League as well

2013-08-15 02:35:21 PM  
2 votes:

ariseatex: Because baseball isn't slow enough.


MLB and NFL games average about the same duration.
2013-08-15 02:30:47 PM  
2 votes:

ariseatex: Because baseball isn't slow enough.


It won't slow it down.  It will eliminate arguments from the managers- which can take 5+ minutes.  A replay won't take that long.  And I assume once the replay is handed down, the manager who requested it can't argue it.  (For one, the ump who reviewed the play is in a studio in NYC.)
2013-08-15 11:40:40 PM  
1 vote:

mybulkaddress: To those basically saying it will ruin the game, it's called progress. Get over it. Times are changing and technology is improving.


You may not have noticed, but most of the complaints in this thread are that they aren't going far enough.
2013-08-15 04:53:17 PM  
1 vote:
Has anyone mentioned how much they will miss the cursing, hat throwing, and dirt kicking manager?  Because I will.
2013-08-15 04:12:11 PM  
1 vote:

IAmRight: Marcus Aurelius: If you're going to let one fielder get out of batting, why not all of them?

I think it's pretty damn clear that a pitcher is not simply a fielder. Pitching is more work than all the other positions combined.


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2013-08-15 03:49:16 PM  
1 vote:

dywed88: What is the benefit of having the home plate ump involved?


Because you're not taking the game away from the field.

dywed88: In fact it runs into the issue of having a vested interest in the call that prevents corrections already. And it will be the move that adds more time to the game.


a) everyone that complains about the length of time a baseball game takes is not a baseball fan
b) if your concern is that an umpire is going to intentionally, upon review, claim he's right despite obvious visual evidence that he's wrong, he should not be employed. That's not a flaw of the system - that's a flaw in your hiring/retaining process.
2013-08-15 03:34:26 PM  
1 vote:

idesofmarch: Although I do kinda like the single wild card game, since it does put emphasis back on winning the division, and that was useful.


I've got no issue with a second wild card.

But it needs to be a 3 game series. A single game is just stupid. It's the exact same as a tiebreaker....except the teams are not necessarily tied.
2013-08-15 03:33:07 PM  
1 vote:

Joe_diGriz: Other way around - 1 challenge through 6, 2 from 7th on.

Personally, I think any game umped by Angel Hernandez or Joe West should have an additional 5 challenges added.


That's even dumber.  Why do I get one challenge for six innings, then two in three innings?  Last I checked, the game of baseball adds up the runs from all the innings equally.  This isn't Jeopardy.
2013-08-15 03:30:01 PM  
1 vote:

idesofmarch: I hope that changes can be made year by year, because I don't think you'll need more than one year to determine what's working and what needs fixing.


You know what else can be fixed after a year?

World Series advantage from the ASG.

Having a single wild-card play-in game.

Jeffrey Loria being allowed to own a team.

And yet....
2013-08-15 03:26:42 PM  
1 vote:

Gecko Gingrich: Peter von Nostrand: They used to also ride trains when traveling but then times change and now teams fly.

Not always. Buses, trains and planes are used depending on distance.

Peter von Nostrand: Uh no on college, there is a DH in college.

That's been covered. See above.

Peter von Nostrand: Little League play with a 45' mound and 60' bases, why not go to that as well?

Ah, I see I'm arguing with an idiot. My bad. Won't happen again.


I'm the idiot? Okay. You made a false comparison because in Little League as well as College, a DH can be used. If you don't like the DH that's fine with me. Just say so. Don't invent BS arguments and then tell me I'm an idiot because you used a false argument. The point of what I'm saying is that it's not really relevant what other levels of the sport use. The game is basically the same other than some minor differences
2013-08-15 03:21:07 PM  
1 vote:

DeWayne Mann: Joe_diGriz: At least Selig might be out of the way by then.

Hahaha, you think Selig is going away at some point.


He IS retiring soon. That's why he's spearheading the PED witch hunt, so his legacy isn't "the guy who violated federal law on the way to canceling the world series"
2013-08-15 03:20:25 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: They used to also ride trains when traveling but then times change and now teams fly.


Not always. Buses, trains and planes are used depending on distance.

Peter von Nostrand: Uh no on college, there is a DH in college.


That's been covered. See above.

Peter von Nostrand: Little League play with a 45' mound and 60' bases, why not go to that as well?


Ah, I see I'm arguing with an idiot. My bad. Won't happen again.
2013-08-15 03:14:53 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: Little League play with a 45' mound and 60' bases


I know what you meant, I'm just imagining 12-year-olds dropping baseballs off a scissor lift parked in the middle of the infield.
2013-08-15 03:13:17 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: put the DH in the National League as well


You mean remove the DH from the American League, surely.
2013-08-15 03:09:56 PM  
1 vote:

IAmRight: DeWayne Mann: Pretty much everything.

Not even mentioning the silliness of having it reviewed in the league offices instead of on-site.

I hope there's a huge storm in NYC when it's nice somewhere else and they f*ck up a call and there's a challenge and "well, sorry, we can't reach them - power and phones are out."


The NHL has handled this for a decade during winter in Toronto.

Great derp though.


As for the proposed system, I would have the replay be called for by the central office instead of a challenge system.
2013-08-15 02:57:29 PM  
1 vote:
If your genuine desire was to make sure "the best team wins", then you should be looking at the destruction of a system which, at the end of the 100-plus game season, placed the best team from each of the two major leagues into a season-ending playoff.  By its nature and by its rules, baseball is volatile.  Just like football, just like basketball, just like whatever.  That's why (money aside) you create long seasons with long, extended playoff formats: To reduce that volatility.  Instant replay is just a means to making sure the volatility is accurate, and that's pointless.
2013-08-15 02:54:15 PM  
1 vote:
Other way around - 1 challenge through 6, 2 from 7th on.

Personally, I think any game umped by Angel Hernandez or Joe West should have an additional 5 challenges added.
2013-08-15 02:47:13 PM  
1 vote:

downstairs: DeWayne Mann: This is a terrible implementation, and I suspect that, once it doesn't work, Bud Selig will just throw his hands up and say "Hey, at least we tried."

Curious what you don't like about it?


Pretty much everything.

Why is there a limit on challenges?

Why do the challenges depend on what inning it is? If a game goes to 18 innings, why aren't any more challenges added after the 7th?

Those are just the things that we KNOW that are wrong. There are plenty of other things that I strongly suspect will be in place:

Will the New York officials be allowed to review a play BEFORE the manager throws his flag?

Is there any penalty for losing a challenge (other than the obvious)?

Can a manager throw a flag at any time?

etc, etc.

The idea of replay is SUPPOSED to be "Umpiring is hard. Let's do whatever we can to help them out and get the calls right."

This is "If an ump blows a call, which they probably will because we're not helping them at all, blame the manager for not getting it overturned."
2013-08-15 02:39:52 PM  
1 vote:

Lost Thought 00: It's a step in the right direction.


If you consider moving an inch "a step." The easiest way to do this was to just have a 5th umpire in the press box with a TV monitor who could review plays before the next batter and if he needed more time to review a play, he could request that play be held up while he does that. It would've been faster and involved less BS than this challenge system will. Instead we'll have the NFL system where you'll see challenges issued just before the next play (pitch, in this case). Instead of a common sense solution (which would've probably brought better umpires to the Majors), Bud Senile strikes again with this stupid concept.
2013-08-15 02:36:29 PM  
1 vote:
This is a terrible implementation, and I suspect that, once it doesn't work, Bud Selig will just throw his hands up and say "Hey, at least we tried."
2013-08-15 02:33:36 PM  
1 vote:

ariseatex: Because baseball isn't slow enough.


Think of it this way - that's more time before the beer sales are cut off.
2013-08-15 02:29:06 PM  
1 vote:
Good

Now drop the BS change to affording the league that wins the All Star game home field advantage in the World Series. Next put the DH in the National League as well
2013-08-15 02:27:37 PM  
1 vote:
Different rules during different times in the game. How very football.
2013-08-15 02:25:31 PM  
1 vote:
Because baseball isn't slow enough.
 
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