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(MSNBC)   It should take a while for North Carolina's repressive voter ID laws to have an effect. Well, unless you're a student at a historically black college   (maddowblog.msnbc.com) divider line 359
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2013-08-15 12:40:40 PM  
B-b-b-b-but, was it Scalia(?) who said that racism was dead in this country?
 
2013-08-15 12:43:49 PM  
This is a good thing, IMHO, as I consider these GOP actions to disenfranchise Democratic voters to be inevitable now.  If the law is ultimately found to be unconstitutional, the earlier implementation means an earlier chance for those whose rights are infringed to raise a legal case and for DoJ to intervene.  Drag it out, and you end up screwing these voters out of mid-terms or even the 2016 general election.
 
2013-08-15 12:59:06 PM  
Desperation. If these are the lengths that the republicans are going to cheat, the GOP knows its dying.
 
2013-08-15 01:08:44 PM  
I so hope this backfires. It's made me go from a lazy ass that barely makes it to vote to someone that is going to be actively working to fight this in some capacity.

Any advice from more politically active farkers than I? I'd like to help with voter drives and/or education efforts. Too lazy to start my own but I will gladly volunteer time.
 
2013-08-15 01:10:01 PM  
Staph making it on Fark, NC. Stahp.
 
2013-08-15 01:18:04 PM  
The death throes of a dying party.

"We can't win over the blacks, so we'll just make it harder for them to vote! Yeehaw! White power!"
 
2013-08-15 01:18:14 PM  

sammyk: I so hope this backfires. It's made me go from a lazy ass that barely makes it to vote to someone that is going to be actively working to fight this in some capacity.


Ideally, I would've liked you (and those like you) to not be a lazy voter to begin with, as voting is arguably one of the most important duties you can do to your country, but since you're getting politically active because of it, I will welcome you with open arms and give you flyers and a list of doors to knock on

sammyk: Any advice from more politically active farkers than I? I'd like to help with voter drives and/or education efforts. Too lazy to start my own but I will gladly volunteer time.


look around and see if there's a movement to join and join up. It also helps if you have friends that are able to do it too and have gotten in to help you transition into your new political activism.

But the greatest, most useful thing you can do that you should encourage everyone you know to do, regardless of views?

GET THE FARK OUT AND VOTE
 
2013-08-15 01:20:26 PM  
Wow, sure didn't take North Carolinians long to reduce the numbers of African-American and other voters now who might vote Democratic, did it? Targeting two universities. Seems suspicious to me.

FTA: Within hours of Gov. Pat McCrory signing a Republican-backed bill this week making sweeping changes to the state's voting laws, local elections boards in two college towns made moves that could make it harder for students to vote.

The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.
 
2013-08-15 01:20:57 PM  

sammyk: I so hope this backfires. It's made me go from a lazy ass that barely makes it to vote to someone that is going to be actively working to fight this in some capacity.

Any advice from more politically active farkers than I? I'd like to help with voter drives and/or education efforts. Too lazy to start my own but I will gladly volunteer time.


Yeah, I'm hoping that this sort of bullshiat energizes minority voters too.  And anything that can help people get through these attempts to disenfranchise them will be good.
 
2013-08-15 01:22:11 PM  
App State makes Fark!

Yea! Wait.... dammit....
 
2013-08-15 01:22:27 PM  

Walker: The death throes of a dying party.


I wouldn't call the GOP a dying party. Not so long as bigoted white people are around to fill its ranks.
 
2013-08-15 01:23:34 PM  
It's telling that even the pathetic D-list rookie-league GOP trolls can't come out and defend this shiat anymore.
 
2013-08-15 01:27:41 PM  
North Carolina really should allow blacks to get ID's.

Especially black students.

This is crazy.
 
2013-08-15 01:30:35 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Here's 2008 voting by county. App State is in Watauga, which is the blue county in the north west. Note that it's surrounded by deep dark red.

upload.wikimedia.org

Here's 2012. Watagua went 50.1% for Romney, thus it is now pale pink.

Pasquotank county is pale blue in both, it's thewedge shaped county, third from the Atlantic coast, almost bordering Virginia
 
2013-08-15 01:31:24 PM  

Amos Quito: North Carolina really should allow blacks to get ID's.

Especially black students.

This is crazy.


FTFA: The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

What does that have to do with having an ID?

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.

What does that have to do with having an ID?
 
2013-08-15 01:35:45 PM  
Ummm... since when is Appy a HBCU??
 
2013-08-15 01:38:55 PM  

FriarReb98: Ummm... since when is Appy a HBCU??


It's not, but Elizabeth City State is. App is just full of dirty hippies, which are just as bad really.

Besides, by disenfranchising students at the HBCUs and also an App State, you can pretend it's not racially motivated and more just "preventing democrats from voting"
 
2013-08-15 01:39:18 PM  
Well that was quick....

It's funny hearing people complain about how corrupt and farked up the government is one minute and then say we need to eliminate protections the next.
 
2013-08-15 01:40:51 PM  
Good, do it fast so the lawsuits can start immediately. These will all be challenged and struck down under the VRA, it's just stupid since before they would never have been implemented in the first place.
 
2013-08-15 01:43:58 PM  
There is no such thing as a moral republican.

1) threaten to destroy the national economy unless their demands are met
2) deliberately try to prevent people from voting
3) national platform includes first EVER constitutional amendment to remove a right

There is no such thing as a moral republican.
 
2013-08-15 01:45:48 PM  
Wrong. Voter-suppression efforts are off to a fast start in North Carolina (thanks to my colleague Tricia McKinney and Facebook commenter Sharon Doherty for the heads-up).

I was always a much bigger fan of Tori Spelling on 90210.  She was so much hotter.
 
2013-08-15 01:48:00 PM  
I really see no reason to consider the NC government a legitimate one.  We should invade my state and impose democracy like we did in Iraq.

I promise I'll greet you as liberators.
 
2013-08-15 01:51:27 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Amos Quito: North Carolina really should allow blacks to get ID's.

Especially black students.

This is crazy.

FTFA: The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

What does that have to do with having an ID?

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.

What does that have to do with having an ID?


It's not that students don't have ID, it's that their student IDs will not be acceptable as proof of identification.

FTA:
Remember, the use of student IDs for voting came up quite a bit during the legislative debate on the new voter-suppression law. State Sen. Tom Apodaca (R), the bill's chief sponsor, argued that college IDs "could be manipulated" and must therefore be excluded.
Did Apodaca have any evidence of anyone, anywhere ever using a manipulated student ID to commit voter fraud? No. Did Apodaca show that college IDs are more prone to manipulation than other forms of identification? No.
But the provision was included anyway. And now that it's part of the law, the GOP is already hard at work.
 
2013-08-15 01:52:35 PM  
*rtfa*

Ok, so they're not increasing/changing voter registration requirements for students that MAY OR MAY NOT be residents of the state/county/municipality that they're in... they're just reducing the # of places/ways TO register, even if you're eligible and a resident.

How nice.
 
2013-08-15 01:53:55 PM  
Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?
 
2013-08-15 01:54:34 PM  
But these laws are totally about preventing fraud, and not about disenfranchising anyone!
 
2013-08-15 01:54:47 PM  
You can't deny republicans got their disenfranchisement shiat together, they were ready to pounce and make it harder for poor and minorities to vote.
 
2013-08-15 01:55:17 PM  

Walker: The death throes of a dying party.

"We can't win over the blacks, so we'll just make it harder for them to vote! Yeehaw! White power!"


How do you explain black Republicans?
 
2013-08-15 01:55:41 PM  
Chris Hayes had a woman from a conservative NC tink tank on the other night. Watching her spin wheels while trying to regurgitate talking points was pretty funny.
 
2013-08-15 01:55:51 PM  

Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?


That's not the issue.

The issue is that they're trying to keep them from using their college address as their registered voting location, requiring them to either travel home to vote, or not vote at all.
 
2013-08-15 01:56:07 PM  

Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?


I heard, in a driving-specific story this morning that only 60% of 18-year-olds have a DL.  Also, these are state schools, and their IDs are thus issued... by the state!
 
2013-08-15 01:56:09 PM  
So they got to target blacks, hippies, and college kids all at the same time. Well played.

ikanreed: I really see no reason to consider the NC government a legitimate one.  We should invade my state and impose democracy like we did in Iraq.

I promise I'll greet you as liberators.


In the N.C. Senate, Republicans received 52.57% of the vote, yet control 66% (33 of 50) of the seats.

In the N.C. House, Republicans received 51.25% of the vote, yet control 64% (77 of 120) of the seats.

In U.S. House races, Republicans received 48.75% of the vote yet control 70% (9 of 13) of the seats.

//what a not legitimate state (and our contribution to federal) government may look like
 
2013-08-15 01:56:49 PM  

Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?


enough to make it worth making laws to disenfranchise people. Do you think republicans are doing this to preserve democracy or something?
 
2013-08-15 01:56:57 PM  
Just give those silly colored folks a plate of cookies. I hear that works well in NC
 
2013-08-15 01:58:13 PM  

xanadian: *rtfa*

Ok, so they're not increasing/changing voter registration requirements for students that MAY OR MAY NOT be residents of the state/county/municipality that they're in... they're just reducing the # of places/ways TO register, even if you're eligible and a resident.

How nice.


"But it is sooooo easy to get a voter ID card...

... if you live in an affluent, conservative suburb."
 
2013-08-15 01:58:46 PM  

Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?


Just out of curiosity how many instance of voter fraud were there by students using their college ID's?
 
2013-08-15 02:02:14 PM  

Codenamechaz: Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?

That's not the issue.

The issue is that they're trying to keep them from using their college address as their registered voting location, requiring them to either travel home to vote, or not vote at all.


I have a hard time rationalizing a dorm being considered a permanent residence for voting purposes.  In some college towns, students that will only be there for a few years could have a huge impact on local elections by just outnumbering full time residents.  I don't know of anyone that changed their address to their dorm while in college.  But they should be able to absentee vote in their home district.
 
2013-08-15 02:03:00 PM  

Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?


Their college IDs are state-issued; they're just not allowed to use them as proof of identification when voting.
 
2013-08-15 02:03:25 PM  

Robots are Strong: So they got to target blacks, hippies, and college kids all at the same time. Well played.

ikanreed: I really see no reason to consider the NC government a legitimate one.  We should invade my state and impose democracy like we did in Iraq.

I promise I'll greet you as liberators.

In the N.C. Senate, Republicans received 52.57% of the vote, yet control 66% (33 of 50) of the seats.

In the N.C. House, Republicans received 51.25% of the vote, yet control 64% (77 of 120) of the seats.

In U.S. House races, Republicans received 48.75% of the vote yet control 70% (9 of 13) of the seats.

//what a not legitimate state (and our contribution to federal) government may look like


And they felt the need to throw voter suppression on top of that.
 
2013-08-15 02:03:33 PM  

Codenamechaz: Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?

That's not the issue.

The issue is that they're trying to keep them from using their college address as their registered voting location, requiring them to either travel home to vote, or not vote at all.


Well I can see that in the case of local elections (things like sheriff, judges, district representatives, etc.). And since you vote Federal at the same time, it *kinda* makes sense.. At least I can see the argument for it, as stupid as it is.
 
2013-08-15 02:03:52 PM  

turtle553: Codenamechaz: Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?

That's not the issue.

The issue is that they're trying to keep them from using their college address as their registered voting location, requiring them to either travel home to vote, or not vote at all.

I have a hard time rationalizing a dorm being considered a permanent residence for voting purposes.  In some college towns, students that will only be there for a few years could have a huge impact on local elections by just outnumbering full time residents.  I don't know of anyone that changed their address to their dorm while in college.  But they should be able to absentee vote in their home district.


When I moved off to college, I moved. I've been back to my hometown less than twenty times in over a decade.

I've never lived in the same town since longer than three years.

Why can't I vote for elections that affect me right now?
 
2013-08-15 02:04:44 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Amos Quito: North Carolina really should allow blacks to get ID's.

Especially black students.

This is crazy.

FTFA: The Watauga County Board of Elections voted Monday to eliminate an early voting site and election-day polling precinct on the campus of Appalachian State University.

What does that have to do with having an ID?

The Pasquotank County Board of Elections on Tuesday barred an Elizabeth City State University senior from running for city council, ruling his on-campus address couldn't be used to establish local residency. Following the decision, the head of the county's Republican Party said he plans to challenge the voter registrations of more students at the historically black university ahead of upcoming elections.

What does that have to do with having an ID?


It doesn't, at all. A campus dorm does not establish residency, pretty sure even Ric Romero knows colleges have students from out of state. And yet there still will be derp. There's always derp.
 
2013-08-15 02:04:45 PM  
I think I could respect North Carolina Republican Legislators more if they would just admit openly they are prejudiced against blacks and don't want them voting.  This voter ID nonsense is such a farce.
 
2013-08-15 02:06:07 PM  
Do the new voting laws only apply to people who vote for Democrats?
 
2013-08-15 02:06:08 PM  

factoryconnection: Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?

I heard, in a driving-specific story this morning that only 60% of 18-year-olds have a DL.  Also, these are state schools, and their IDs are thus issued... by the state!


But don't all students, even those with non-citizenship status (H1Bs, Undocumenteds, etc.) also get student IDs that could therefore be used to vote with?
 
2013-08-15 02:06:33 PM  

Gergesa: I think I could respect North Carolina Republican Legislators more if they would just admit openly they are prejudiced against blacks and don't want them voting.  This voter ID nonsense is such a farce.


I'd have more respect for Democrats if they came out and said that same thing.
 
2013-08-15 02:07:03 PM  

Gergesa: I think I could respect North Carolina Republican Legislators more if they would just admit openly they are prejudiced against blacks and don't want them voting.  This voter ID nonsense is such a farce.


And if it were just IDs that'd be okay.  But it's like an omnibus of things that "just happen" to affect minority votes more than white people.  Early voting disproportionately used by minorities, axed.  Same day registration, disproportionately used by minorities, axed.  There's basically no hiding what they're doing.
 
2013-08-15 02:07:22 PM  
I love the racism that says that if you're black it's oh so difficult to get an ID as though your skin color has something to do with your inability to do what everybody else is perfectly capable of doing.
 
2013-08-15 02:07:35 PM  

turtle553: Codenamechaz: Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?

That's not the issue.

The issue is that they're trying to keep them from using their college address as their registered voting location, requiring them to either travel home to vote, or not vote at all.

I have a hard time rationalizing a dorm being considered a permanent residence for voting purposes.  In some college towns, students that will only be there for a few years could have a huge impact on local elections by just outnumbering full time residents.  I don't know of anyone that changed their address to their dorm while in college.  But they should be able to absentee vote in their home district.


Okay, but it makes even less sense for students to be voting in their "home district," where they will most likely be for a few weeks a year.  After school is done, many students don't return "home" anyway.

While you have a point that students won't be there long, they won't be "home" much at all.  So why vote there?

And once you conclude that they shouldn't be voting at "home," the only options are to vote at school or not to let them vote at all.
 
2013-08-15 02:07:55 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: turtle553: Codenamechaz: Southern100: Just out of curiosity, how many over-18 students at a college do you think there are that don't already have a drivers license or other state issued ID?

That's not the issue.

The issue is that they're trying to keep them from using their college address as their registered voting location, requiring them to either travel home to vote, or not vote at all.

I have a hard time rationalizing a dorm being considered a permanent residence for voting purposes.  In some college towns, students that will only be there for a few years could have a huge impact on local elections by just outnumbering full time residents.  I don't know of anyone that changed their address to their dorm while in college.  But they should be able to absentee vote in their home district.

When I moved off to college, I moved. I've been back to my hometown less than twenty times in over a decade.

I've never lived in the same town since longer than three years.

Why can't I vote for elections that affect me right now?


Because you might vote Democratic you pinko libtard.
 
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