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(Reason Magazine)   The gridlock in Congress isn't about obstructionism. It's just that both parties have fulfilled their agendas and are totally out of ideas   (reason.com ) divider line
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2013-08-15 09:58:08 AM  
Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET
 
2013-08-15 10:00:42 AM  
Well, that's a dumb thing to think.
 
2013-08-15 10:05:16 AM  
they should just reboot some laws that have already been passed
 
2013-08-15 10:06:46 AM  
And by "both parties" he means "Republicans."
 
2013-08-15 10:07:27 AM  

James!: Well, that's a dumb thing to think.


also this. The GOP isn't being obstructionist because they're being asked to vote for legislation they don't agree with(mostly), they're doing it to sabotage the Obama administration.
 
2013-08-15 10:11:21 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET


Yes. Then all of our problems will be solved!

Oh wait. No they won't because budgets are simply symbolic statements representing what those who vote for them think the priorities of the government should be, and don't have anything to do with how money is actually allocated and spent.

I guess ignorance is not bliss, because you seem pretty angry about this.
 
2013-08-15 10:14:18 AM  
So passing a jobs bill wasn't on either party's agenda? Or fixing the sequestration garbage? Or anything that might remotely help the country?
 
2013-08-15 10:17:04 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET

Yes. Then all of our problems will be solved!

Oh wait. No they won't because budgets are simply symbolic statements representing what those who vote for them think the priorities of the government should be, and don't have anything to do with how money is actually allocated and spent.

I guess ignorance is not bliss, because you seem pretty angry about this.


passing a budget is one of Congress' basic functions and it (at least to a small degree) forces them to account for their spending and commit to a single course economically. The fact that Congress is unwilling and seems uninterested in even try to pass a budget is representative of their contempt(as a group) for the American people.
 
2013-08-15 10:19:24 AM  

Voiceofreason01: The fact that Congress is unwilling and seems uninterested in even try to pass a budget is representative of their contempt(as a group) for the American people.


After years of being hammered by the right for not passing a budget the D controlled Senate did pass one a few months ago. The R House now refuses to take it to conference. Direct your anger towards them.
 
2013-08-15 10:22:46 AM  
Dusk-You-n-Me:
After years of being hammered by the right for not passing a budget the D controlled Senate did pass one a few months ago. The R House now refuses to take it to conference. Direct your anger towards them.

Really it's the House that's the problem, specifically the GOP members.
 
2013-08-15 10:23:42 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Really it's the House that's the problem, specifically the GOP members.


Absolutely. Sabotage governing without consequences.
 
2013-08-15 10:26:22 AM  
Immigration reform: Check!
Social Security: No problem!
Abortion: Agree to Disagree!
Healthcare: Motherfarking settled!
Budget: Made in the Goddamn shade!
LGBT Rights: Handled like a ball sack in a bathhouse!
Energy Policy: Taken care of, my man!
 
2013-08-15 10:33:19 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Wendy's Chili: Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET

Yes. Then all of our problems will be solved!

Oh wait. No they won't because budgets are simply symbolic statements representing what those who vote for them think the priorities of the government should be, and don't have anything to do with how money is actually allocated and spent.

I guess ignorance is not bliss, because you seem pretty angry about this.

passing a budget is one of Congress' basic functions and it (at least to a small degree) forces them to account for their spending and commit to a single course economically. The fact that Congress is unwilling and seems uninterested in even try to pass a budget is representative of their contempt(as a group) for the American people.


Congress functioned for 140 years before the modern budget process, which does not account for spending or commit them to anything. Also, both houses of congress have passed budgets this year.
 
2013-08-15 10:35:01 AM  
Hey... be fair

/shutting down the country is, technically, an idea
//of a sort
 
2013-08-15 10:39:27 AM  
Yeah, the acrimony and hatred is all for show since they have nothing else to do.
 
2013-08-15 10:48:51 AM  
Pass a budget.
Fix the sequester.
Stop with the repeated attempts to repeal Obamacare, and actually do something that helps.
Reform the tax code to close loopholes for large corporations.

See? Plenty you could be doing.
 
2013-08-15 10:54:45 AM  

Wendy's Chili:  Also, both houses of congress have passed budgets this year.


and? Each house passing their own separate and irreconcilable bill isn't the same thing as the Congress passing a budget. We've got one of the least productive and least transparent governments in a generation and it's largely Congresses fault.
 
2013-08-15 10:59:35 AM  
Between the "Because Jebus" wing being Anti-Freedom, the "Fark you, I got mine" wing being Anti-Working Person, the "Gerrymanderers" being Anti-Democracy, and the "Destroy the Democrat President at any cost" wing being Anti-American, the GOP has pretty much become the opposite of what this country was founded on.

Yet the sanctimonious bastards still wrap themselves in the flag and people fall for it.
 
2013-08-15 11:52:31 AM  
so vote republican?
 
2013-08-15 12:00:43 PM  

James!:
Budget: Made in the Goddamn shade!


Particularly the whole question of whether to deal with the deficit by spending less, raising more revenue, or simply allowing the debt to keep growing.
 
2013-08-15 12:03:18 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET

Yes. Then all of our problems will be solved!

Oh wait. No they won't because budgets are simply symbolic statements representing what those who vote for them think the priorities of the government should be, and don't have anything to do with how money is actually allocated and spent.

I guess ignorance is not bliss, because you seem pretty angry about this.


Um, the budget actually does have significant differences between it and continuing resolutions passing. For instance, continuing resolutions generally freeze spending at the last budget levels, whereas budgets generally adjust for inflation. For federal workers, there's been a freeze on cost of living adjustments which is partially based on Congress not passing a budget, and in my particular area of work, our budget was promised to be increased in the next budget, but until then we are not funded at the levels promised by Congress. I don't imagine we are unique in that area.

So yeah, passing a budget, any budget, will actually help some things dramatically. Also, passing a budget would end the sequester and allow organizations to stop indiscriminately cutting across the board.
 
2013-08-15 12:05:09 PM  

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2013-08-15 12:24:09 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hey... be fair

/shutting down the country is, technically, an idea
//of a sort


Say what you will about the tenants of Laissez Faire government, at least it's an ethos.
 
2013-08-15 12:57:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: passing a budget is one of Congress' basic functions and it (at least to a small degree) forces them to account for their spending and commit to a single course economically. The fact that Congress is unwilling and seems uninterested in even try to pass a budget is representative of their contempt(as a group) for the American people.


Congress passed a budget a while ago, and just keeps continuing it. That's what a CR is - we keep the old budget going. How would writing a new budget which contains the same basic terms do anything? The reason they keep passing CRs is that the House and Senate can't agree on a new baseline of a budget. I don't know what this has to to with contempt. This is a weird thing conservatives harp on - I dont get it.
 
2013-08-15 01:17:08 PM  
"Reason" is only slightly less  ironically named than "American Thinker".
 
2013-08-15 01:31:33 PM  

jake_lex: "Reason" is only slightly less  ironically named than "American Thinker".


I imagine "Trust Fundies" wouldn't have been such a hot seller.
 
2013-08-15 01:32:02 PM  
> Reason

If they said that 2 + 2 = 4, I would assume that the answer is closer to 5.
 
2013-08-15 01:33:52 PM  
Post-policy, post-racial. Soon to be post-USA?
 
2013-08-15 01:38:24 PM  
But first, both parties will have to figure out what it is they want, and what they stand for. Republicans, having had an earlier start, are beginning this process, however slowly.

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2013-08-15 01:40:09 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET


yes that certainly is a way in which the GOP is using messaging to blame their obstructionism on The Libs
 
2013-08-15 01:42:10 PM  

super_grass: > Reason

If they said that 2 + 2 = 4, I would assume that the commonly accepted, govt approved answer is closer to 5.

 
2013-08-15 01:44:23 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Post-policy, post-racial. Soon to be post-USA?


Post-Punk, Post-Modernism.
 
2013-08-15 01:44:32 PM  

iawai: super_grass: > Reason

If they said that 2 + 2 = 4, I would assume that the commonly accepted, govt approved answer is closer to 5.


So the right answer?
 
2013-08-15 01:45:40 PM  
The House and the Senate are supposed to reach a compromise on the budget. If the House straight up refuses to discuss the matter, they're to blame for the impasse. This "both sides are bad" stuff is bullshiat.
 
2013-08-15 01:47:20 PM  
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2013-08-15 01:48:30 PM  
No improvements will be made until boomers lose their voting power through...ummm...attrition.

Old enemies playing old games and trying to ingrain the rules and boundaries on the younger generations.

Also, the GOP cannot tolerate any success by Obama.
 
2013-08-15 01:48:51 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET


Both the House and the Senate did this year. The Republicans are the ones preventing Congress from following regular order by holding up appointing people to a conference committee to iron out the differences because they refuse to enter negotiations without an ironclad guarantee that the budget will not recommend raising the debt ceiling or increasing revenues.
 
2013-08-15 01:50:51 PM  
GOP punishing America for voting (D) twice, that'll teach us.
 
2013-08-15 01:58:22 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET


Not directed at you, but in general: in what way is the Budget Control Act of 2011 not a budget? I keep hearing people say a budget hasn't been passed in years and years and people debate continuing resolutions, but I have yet to hear how the Budget Control Act of 2011 does not meet the definition of a budget.
 
2013-08-15 01:58:23 PM  
If enough people wanted one single thing done then congress would do it.  Problem is there are so many problems that the message gets muddled in the noise and nothing seems to take priority for various internal and external reasons.
 
2013-08-15 01:59:38 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Voiceofreason01: Really it's the House that's the problem, specifically the GOP members.

Absolutely. Sabotage governing without consequences.


There could be consequences. Angry mobs, show trials, public hangings, exile of their families...
 
2013-08-15 02:01:20 PM  

Grungehamster: Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET

Not directed at you, but in general: in what way is the Budget Control Act of 2011 not a budget? I keep hearing people say a budget hasn't been passed in years and years and people debate continuing resolutions, but I have yet to hear how the Budget Control Act of 2011 does not meet the definition of a budget.


It isn't really a budget because it doesn't suggest levels of spending to the Appropriations committees. It mandates them.
 
2013-08-15 02:09:54 PM  

Grungehamster: Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET

Not directed at you, but in general: in what way is the Budget Control Act of 2011 not a budget? I keep hearing people say a budget hasn't been passed in years and years and people debate continuing resolutions, but I have yet to hear how the Budget Control Act of 2011 does not meet the definition of a budget.


because "PASS A BUDGET LIBTARDOS" makes a really good meaningless catchphrase for the simple-minded
 
2013-08-15 02:16:55 PM  

RedTank: If enough people wanted one single thing done then congress would do it.  Problem is there are so many problems that the message gets muddled in the noise and nothing seems to take priority for various internal and external reasons.


Too bad that one single thing is to obstruct the Democrats and Obama as much as possible.
 
2013-08-15 02:18:13 PM  
Petulance and spite are poor substitutes for good governance.  And it cannot work over the long term.  Biased media, the purposeful erosion of classical journalism in favor of focused soundbite packages, the willful manipulation of the mob who votes on today's emotional trigger, all this will work in their favor only so long.  All it will take is enough of the mob to connect the dots and realize they are the product, not the constituency, and their anger will turn back on the handlers.  That will be an interesting day.

I'm old enough to have been around when the polarization really took off in the Reagan era.  It's distressing how blatant it's become in the last few years, and that trend is accelerating.  In some ways the internet has been contributing to it--there are so many ways to reach more people with packaged and filtered messages that people seem to gravitate towards those sources that reinforce their own beliefs, and move even further into partisan zealotry.

Change isn't going to come from the top down.  It's going to come from reaching a critical mass of pragmatic voters becoming disaffected and aware enough to see the manipulative machine surrounding them.  Who can step back, take a good common sense look at problems and solutions, and who can identify with a larger sense of community than "I got mine".  This newer generation needs to be able to think outside antiquated partisan models and come up with a new way to govern.  Idealistic, to be sure, but a better vision than the bloody divisive clash that awaits us at the end of the road we're on.
 
2013-08-15 02:22:25 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: RedTank: If enough people wanted one single thing done then congress would do it.  Problem is there are so many problems that the message gets muddled in the noise and nothing seems to take priority for various internal and external reasons.

Too bad that one single thing is to obstruct the Democrats and Obama as much as possible.


That one single thing has to cross party lines.
 
2013-08-15 02:25:09 PM  
The more I read articles and comments in the political tab the more I come to the realization that this country is FARKING BONED.

Get a nice cushy seat while you can...the band is warming up and we're in iceberg waters.

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/...of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

//...quick please somebody tell me how wrong I am.
 
2013-08-15 02:26:27 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Here's a novel one: PASS A farkING BUDGET


Yeah, was gonna say.

Normally we have a problem with each government body only thinking in terms of holding shiat together for one term (e.g. 2 years for the house, 6 for the senate, 4 for the executive) without even considering the possibility of another term until after they've already won it, and then scrambling to make up for their shiatty short-term hold-it-together crap from the last term and updating them to equally shiatty short-term decisions to hold it together for the next two years.

The recent congress, though, is I think close to unique in thinking  negative six years ahead, to the point where they bring up old issues that were never addressed the first time, like fixing the regulatory contribution to the 2007 financial crash, explicitly so that they can ignore them and do nothing about them again, and that doing nothing about six-year-old issues like that or the budget is "what they're doing" to avoid ever even bringing up new issues that needed urgently to be resolved 4 or 3 years back.  I don't think that they're even aware that the world didn't end in 2012, or that the world existed in 2012 for that matter-- they were on vacation the whole time, so why would they bother noting such details?
 
2013-08-15 02:29:40 PM  

mcgreggers99: The more I read articles and comments in the political tab the more I come to the realization that this country is FARKING BONED.

Get a nice cushy seat while you can...the band is warming up and we're in iceberg waters.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 240x192]

/...of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

//...quick please somebody tell me how wrong I am.


We may perhaps be ok...  It's possible that our perpetual gridlock will allow us to remain mostly unchanged, frozen in place compared to the rest of the world, as other countries leap forward or backward interrupting the balance of power at which point we would finally get the push we need to move forward as long as that interruption to the balance of power doesn't lead to instant nuclear war.

Is that helpful at all...?
 
2013-08-15 02:29:45 PM  
Sounds like both sides are bad.
 
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