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(Huffington Post)   Republican (of course) politician to female schools chief: "Stick to your knitting." How's that outreach coming, GOP?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 84
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2013-08-15 09:41:58 AM
war on women much?
 
2013-08-15 09:46:24 AM

FlashHarry: war on women much?


No because, you see, it's a liberal invention. You clearly misunderstood what Stam said. Fox News told me so.
 
2013-08-15 09:47:58 AM
I'm appalled at this outdated attitude. It's the 21st Century for crying out loud.

He should have told her to stick to her pinterest.
 
2013-08-15 09:50:06 AM

Aarontology: I'm appalled at this outdated attitude. It's the 21st Century for crying out loud.

He should have told her to stick to her pinterest.


Guerilla knitting is ALL over Pinterest.
 
2013-08-15 10:01:17 AM
It warms my heart to see Other Carolina doing its best to make Best Carolina look sane and rational.
 
2013-08-15 10:05:07 AM
LOL.  Some guy told my mother that in a managers' meeting back in the late 80s.  He left the conference room on a stretcher. Why bother HR?
 
2013-08-15 10:23:34 AM
I've said it before, Dems have their crazy people, but the GOP has far more of them and even puts them in leadership positions.
 
2013-08-15 10:33:38 AM
maybe he's a secret brooklyn hipster. the hipsters love knitting.
 
2013-08-15 10:35:28 AM

FlashHarry: maybe he's a secret brooklyn hipster. the hipsters love knitting.


Who doesn't love a comfy and ironic afghan?
 
2013-08-15 11:34:15 AM

Diogenes: FlashHarry: maybe he's a secret brooklyn hipster. the hipsters love knitting.

Who doesn't love a comfy and ironic afghan?


or beard sling.
 
2013-08-15 11:57:34 AM
img1.etsystatic.com
 
2013-08-15 12:02:02 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Aarontology: I'm appalled at this outdated attitude. It's the 21st Century for crying out loud.

He should have told her to stick to her pinterest.

Guerilla knitting is ALL over Pinterest.


I hate that shiat.  They opened up a yarn shop in my neighborhood and all the sudden we had a bunch of goddamn yarn all over trees and fire hydrants and shiat.

/First world problems.
 
2013-08-15 12:10:37 PM
While he clearly used the phrase wrongly, that's a standard Southern phrase that is directed to both sexes, and it means - stick to the things you already know.  It's not misogynist.
 
2013-08-15 12:17:40 PM
You libtards need to RTFA. She runs a knitting school for wayward girls.
 
2013-08-15 12:22:28 PM

abb3w: [img1.etsystatic.com image 570x764]


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Socks.  Socks for cocks.  Keep cocks warm.
Gracias.
 
2013-08-15 12:41:04 PM

thalassatx: While he clearly used the phrase wrongly, that's a standard Southern phrase that is directed to both sexes, and it means - stick to the things you already know.  It's not misogynist.


You really think he would've said the same thing to a man?
 
2013-08-15 12:41:16 PM
No, he didn't...

"Stam's comment came after the superintendent, June Atkinson, expressed her belief to reporters that private schools and public schools in the state should take the same standardized tests. He said she should focus on her mandate of helping public schools, according to North Carolina outlet The News & Observer.

'She should stick to her own knitting,' Stam said."

He was using an idiom that means "she should mind her own business."
 
2013-08-15 12:44:23 PM
And to be clear, I hate the GOP... and I was all eager to post this story to facebook as yet another example of how backwards attitudes towards race/gender/religion/sex are still so pervasive in the party.

But, I hate this shiat... This is Limbaugh/Breitbart shiat. Deliberately taking something out of context is not cool, no matter how "juicy" the "gotcha."
 
2013-08-15 12:45:55 PM

thalassatx: While he clearly used the phrase wrongly, that's a standard Southern phrase that is directed to both sexes, and it means - stick to the things you already know.  It's not misogynist.


Assuming that is correct, it's still a very WTF moment, when a member of the State Legislature basically tells the State's Superintendent of Schools to stay out of public discussions regarding state school policy.

What's next, is he going to tell the State's Utility Commissioner to stay out of the public debate over utility rates?

The point is (to a larger degree) he almost wouldn't have made the same complaint against a Male in the same position, regardless of the "form" in which he made the complaint (which appears in many respects to be sexist on its face.)
 
2013-08-15 12:47:06 PM
Yes, why aren't women reaching out to the GOP?
 
2013-08-15 12:47:39 PM

Di Atribe: thalassatx: While he clearly used the phrase wrongly, that's a standard Southern phrase that is directed to both sexes, and it means - stick to the things you already know.  It's not misogynist.

You really think he would've said the same thing to a man?



Yes... He very likely would have. It's not a gender-specific phrase AT ALL..

The usage example in freedictionary.com isn't even involving a person, but a company.

"He believes the key to a company's success is to stick to its knitting rather than trying to diversify." 

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/stick+to+knitting
 
2013-08-15 12:47:50 PM

technicolor-misfit: And to be clear, I hate the GOP... and I was all eager to post this story to facebook as yet another example of how backwards attitudes towards race/gender/religion/sex are still so pervasive in the party.

But, I hate this shiat... This is Limbaugh/Breitbart shiat. Deliberately taking something out of context is not cool, no matter how "juicy" the "gotcha."


You take your facts and your context right out of this discussion good sir (or maam?), this is a place for mindless outrage.
 
2013-08-15 12:48:05 PM

technicolor-misfit: No, he didn't...

"Stam's comment came after the superintendent, June Atkinson, expressed her belief to reporters that private schools and public schools in the state should take the same standardized tests. He said she should focus on her mandate of helping public schools, according to North Carolina outlet The News & Observer.

'She should stick to her own knitting,' Stam said."

He was using an idiom that means "she should mind her own business."


To chastise someone who's business is education for commenting about an education issue.

/no problems at all changeing the narrative from "he's a sexist idiot" to "he's just a flat out idiot"
 
2013-08-15 12:48:45 PM
The real scandal here is the state taking money from public schools to give to private religious schools, which is clearly unconstitutional.   Hopefully the usual suspects will stand up for the constitution and sue the state.  In the meantime, NC wants to make sure that no one will be able to compare test scores from public and private or charter schools.
 
2013-08-15 12:54:25 PM

technicolor-misfit: And to be clear, I hate the GOP... and I was all eager to post this story to facebook as yet another example of how backwards attitudes towards race/gender/religion/sex are still so pervasive in the party.

But, I hate this shiat... This is Limbaugh/Breitbart shiat. Deliberately taking something out of context is not cool, no matter how "juicy" the "gotcha."


technicolor-misfit: No, he didn't...

"Stam's comment came after the superintendent, June Atkinson, expressed her belief to reporters that private schools and public schools in the state should take the same standardized tests. He said she should focus on her mandate of helping public schools, according to North Carolina outlet The News & Observer.

'She should stick to her own knitting,' Stam said."

He was using an idiom that means "she should mind her own business."


While I am indeed aware of the phrase 'stick to your knitting' in terms of 'stick to what your business', she is the public official in charge of education for the state, talking about education in the state, and being told to not talk about education in the state.

She /was/ "sticking to her knitting" and "minding her business."
 
2013-08-15 12:57:30 PM

Ace Rimmer: technicolor-misfit: No, he didn't...

"Stam's comment came after the superintendent, June Atkinson, expressed her belief to reporters that private schools and public schools in the state should take the same standardized tests. He said she should focus on her mandate of helping public schools, according to North Carolina outlet The News & Observer.

'She should stick to her own knitting,' Stam said."

He was using an idiom that means "she should mind her own business."

To chastise someone who's business is education for commenting about an education issue.

/no problems at all changeing the narrative from "he's a sexist idiot" to "he's just a flat out idiot"



I agree he's an idiot. And, I farking despise voucher programs... but I think his point (wrong-headed though it was) was that she should focus on her job of running the public schools, not congress' job of allocating funding.

Still stupid, but I think he was trying draw a bright line between budgetary issues within the government overall, and the ground-level operational concerns of managing the schools.

Kind of a "you just focus on using YOUR budget wisely as you were hired to do, and leave the managing of the government's budget to the people who were elected to do it."

Still stupid and trying to dodge the issue... but I don't think it was necessarily sexist.
 
2013-08-15 12:58:44 PM
You elected them, North Carolina.  I guess you wanted cuts to the state's education budget while simultaneously pulling money from public schools and gifting them to private and charter schools.
 
2013-08-15 01:00:07 PM

technicolor-misfit: but I think his point (wrong-headed though it was) was that she should focus on her job of running the public schools, not congress' job of allocating funding.


Her point wasn't about budgets.  It was about schools taking the same standardized tests.  Maybe you should give the article another scan.
 
2013-08-15 01:00:13 PM

FlashHarry: war on women much?


Nope.  It's the liberals who are waging the war by not skinning Anthony Weiner alive and salting his still-living flesh.
 
2013-08-15 01:03:00 PM
Fat white guy with a grey brushcut and piggy little eyes? Huh. Who'd of thunk?
 
2013-08-15 01:03:22 PM

technicolor-misfit: Still stupid and trying to dodge the issue... but I don't think it was necessarily sexist.


I'm not sure whether it was sexist or not.  I'm certainly not sure it enough to declare that it definitively was.

However, if you're a member of a party that's recently gained a great deal of fame for actively trying to undermine the human rights of women, you might want to watch what you say.  Because stuff that sounds sexist will probably be taken as sexist.

For example, it's fine for Chris Rock to tell a joke that uses an attractive and successful term for a blah person.  If a card carrying member of the KKK does it, it won't go over as well with the general public.
 
2013-08-15 01:04:49 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You libtards need to RTFA. She runs a knitting school for wayward girls.


This is a verbal example of trying to return fire from an Abrams...with a rock and slingshot.
 
2013-08-15 01:05:09 PM

technicolor-misfit: Still stupid and trying to dodge the issue... but I don't think it was necessarily sexist.


You know, for some people, I might give the benefit of the doubt. People who are described as a "Republican from North Carolina" are not in that group.
 
2013-08-15 01:08:23 PM

Soup4Bonnie: technicolor-misfit: but I think his point (wrong-headed though it was) was that she should focus on her job of running the public schools, not congress' job of allocating funding.

Her point wasn't about budgets.  It was about schools taking the same standardized tests.  Maybe you should give the article another scan.



Yes, but it's in connection with his support of voucher programs for private schools.

And regardless, the same thing still applies... He was saying "you worry about the job you were hired to do managing public schools..." whether the follow-up is "don't worry about budgetary issues" or "don't worry what tests private schools are taking," he's essentially saying "mind your own business," NOT "get back to the kitchen, muddle-headed woman."

He's just pissed because someone's ruffling the feathers on his golden egg-laying goose. He'd be pissed regardless of whether it was a man or a woman.
 
2013-08-15 01:08:55 PM
I think the glaring issue here is that this guy doesn't seem to like the idea of holding private (mostly religious-based) schools to the same standard as public schools.  I wonder why that is...
 
2013-08-15 01:12:57 PM

technicolor-misfit: He's just pissed because someone's ruffling the feathers on his golden egg-laying goose. He'd be pissed regardless of whether it was a man or a woman.


Is he famous for telling people to stick to their knitting though?  I grant you he'd probably be pissed off by a man arguing the same point, but would he have used the same phrase?  Of the hundreds of different ways that he could have basically said, "This isn't your epertise, now shut up."  Why pick one that has a sexist subtext to it?
 
2013-08-15 01:14:40 PM
However, as ThinkProgress points out, Stam's comment not only has "sexist implications" but also "ignores the fact that education is Atkinson's proverbial 'knitting.'"

No, I think he literally meant "knitting."

Maybe Bob Filner could use a roomy in "rehab."
 
2013-08-15 01:15:27 PM

Mercutio74: technicolor-misfit: Still stupid and trying to dodge the issue... but I don't think it was necessarily sexist.

I'm not sure whether it was sexist or not.  I'm certainly not sure it enough to declare that it definitively was.

However, if you're a member of a party that's recently gained a great deal of fame for actively trying to undermine the human rights of women, you might want to watch what you say.  Because stuff that sounds sexist will probably be taken as sexist.

For example, it's fine for Chris Rock to tell a joke that uses an attractive and successful term for a blah person.  If a card carrying member of the KKK does it, it won't go over as well with the general public.



I agree... I can't definitively say that it was or wasn't intended to be sexist. So, I prefer to err on the "benefit of the doubt" side.

For me, I think it's stupid to run with a "gotcha" in those circumstances, because he has plausible deniability and the GOP has enjoyed tremendous success baiting people to bite on their dog whistle trolls and then playing the part of the poor innocent, beset upon by the "professionally-outraged" liberal MSM media.
 
2013-08-15 01:16:42 PM

FlashHarry: war on women much?


Yes, clearly there is a war on wymyn.

pic related...

thepatriotstrumpet.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-15 01:19:00 PM

Red_October: FlashHarry: war on women much?

Yes, clearly there is a war on wymyn.

pic related...

[thepatriotstrumpet.files.wordpress.com image 817x633]



Don't kid yourself... There are PLENTY of people in the GOP and the Christian right who would LOVE to throw acid on "hussies" and "strumpets" if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it.
 
2013-08-15 01:19:54 PM
technicolor-misfit:


Don't kid yourself... There are PLENTY of people in the GOP and the Christian right who would LOVE to throw acid on "hussies" and "strumpets" if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it.

[Citation Needed]
 
2013-08-15 01:20:32 PM

technicolor-misfit: Yes, but it's in connection with his support of voucher programs for private schools.

And regardless, the same thing still applies... He was saying "you worry about the job you were hired to do managing public schools..." whether the follow-up is "don't worry about budgetary issues" or "don't worry what tests private schools are taking," he's essentially saying "mind your own business," NOT "get back to the kitchen, muddle-headed woman."

He's just pissed because someone's ruffling the feathers on his golden egg-laying goose. He'd be pissed regardless of whether it was a man or a woman.


I think  you're seeing things that aren't there.  I can't find anywhere she talks about spending just that the tests should be standardized between public and private schools.
Atkinson said she would like to see students at private and public schools take the same tests so parents can compare scores. She also said private schools should receive performance grades based on student achievement, just as public schools will.

The legislature upped the testing requirement for private schools, but schools can choose which national tests to administer and don't have to report scores unless they enroll more than 25 students with vouchers.

"The public needs a consistent measure of reading achievement in particular," Atkinson said, and the information would be important to parents making decisions on where to send their children.


http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/12/3102903/state-schools-leade r-sa ys-test.html


Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/12/3102903/state-schools-leader-s a ys-test.html#storylink=cpySo yes, he is saying mind your own business in the worst possible way since it is entirely her business as the state superintendent of public instructions.  She doesn't speak to the budget at all that I can see, nor to private or vouchered schools except to say they should all be tested to the same standard so people can compare.
 
2013-08-15 01:22:04 PM

Red_October: technicolor-misfit:


Don't kid yourself... There are PLENTY of people in the GOP and the Christian right who would LOVE to throw acid on "hussies" and "strumpets" if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it.

[Citation Needed]


"Let's hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators..."
 
2013-08-15 01:24:12 PM

Red_October: Yes, clearly there is a war on wymyn.

pic related...


hahaha!  Sure, sparky.  Fluke's testimony was about free condoms.  You nailed it!  hahahaha!  and with a "Yeah, but!"  thrown in for good measure, too.

Good god! I am embarrassed for you.
 
2013-08-15 01:26:38 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Red_October: Yes, clearly there is a war on wymyn.

pic related...

hahaha!  Sure, sparky.  Fluke's testimony was about free condoms.  You nailed it!  hahahaha!  and with a "Yeah, but!"  thrown in for good measure, too.

Good god! I am embarrassed for you.


Health care issues are totes the same as outright brutality.  Silly woman.
 
2013-08-15 01:27:11 PM
Every day... EVERY SINGLE farkING DAY a Republican does or says something like this. Be it women or minorities, there is a story virtually every day.

Yet we are supposed to believe it's NOT endemic of the party, and claiming so is unfair?
 
2013-08-15 01:30:19 PM

Diogenes: Red_October: technicolor-misfit:


Don't kid yourself... There are PLENTY of people in the GOP and the Christian right who would LOVE to throw acid on "hussies" and "strumpets" if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it.

[Citation Needed]

"Let's hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators..."


That's one guy. Where's the "plenty" part? How many does "plenty" entail?

conservativehideout.com

Yes, clearly yndypyndynt wymyn have much to fear from Americlaps.
 
2013-08-15 01:32:37 PM

Red_October: Diogenes: Red_October: technicolor-misfit:


Don't kid yourself... There are PLENTY of people in the GOP and the Christian right who would LOVE to throw acid on "hussies" and "strumpets" if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it.

[Citation Needed]

"Let's hurl some acid at those female democratic Senators..."

That's one guy. Where's the "plenty" part? How many does "plenty" entail?

[conservativehideout.com image 620x350]

Yes, clearly yndypyndynt wymyn have much to fear from Americlaps.


You asked for a citation.  I gave you a citation.  Go find another research monkey.
 
2013-08-15 01:34:58 PM

technicolor-misfit: Red_October: FlashHarry: war on women much?

Yes, clearly there is a war on wymyn.

pic related...

[thepatriotstrumpet.files.wordpress.com image 817x633]


Don't kid yourself... There are PLENTY of people in the GOP and the Christian right who would LOVE to throw acid on "hussies" and "strumpets" if they knew they wouldn't go to jail for it.



Well, it's obvious they have no regrets about misquoting, lying and completely mischaracterizing the statements of someone they don't like.  (As represented by the language accompanying the photograph of Sandra Fluke.  Who testified to the medical necessity of the availability of "birth control" pills, for women for purposes OTHER than as pregnancy prevention.)
 
2013-08-15 01:35:56 PM

Di Atribe: thalassatx: While he clearly used the phrase wrongly, that's a standard Southern phrase that is directed to both sexes, and it means - stick to the things you already know.  It's not misogynist.

You really think he would've said the same thing to a man?


Yes.  I've heard it used male to male, female to female, male to female, female to male.  Hell, I've used it to both men and women.

lawboy87: thalassatx: While he clearly used the phrase wrongly, that's a standard Southern phrase that is directed to both sexes, and it means - stick to the things you already know.  It's not misogynist.

Assuming that is correct, it's still a very WTF moment, when a member of the State Legislature basically tells the State's Superintendent of Schools to stay out of public discussions regarding state school policy.

What's next, is he going to tell the State's Utility Commissioner to stay out of the public debate over utility rates?

The point is (to a larger degree) he almost wouldn't have made the same complaint against a Male in the same position, regardless of the "form" in which he made the complaint (which appears in many respects to be sexist on its face.)


Which is why I said he used it wrongly.  He was the dumb one.
 
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