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(Deadspin)   Yankees' Alfonso Soriano now has four home runs and 13 RBI's this season. Correction ... this week   (deadspin.com) divider line 48
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2013-08-15 07:47:03 AM
Amazing what leaving the Cubs can do for a person.
 
2013-08-15 07:50:11 AM

largedon: Amazing what leaving the Cubs can do for a person. Moving to a stadium where the power alleys are 355'

 
2013-08-15 07:53:28 AM
OMG!  That makes him the greatest player of all time!  the Yankees are going to win every single game for the rest of the season and win the world series by default!!!
 
2013-08-15 08:13:00 AM
But the Yankees don't want to win.
 
2013-08-15 08:23:47 AM
Not just this week, but in two days.
 
2013-08-15 08:35:43 AM
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2013-08-15 09:09:52 AM
He's on PEDs.
 
2013-08-15 09:11:34 AM
Realistically, the Yankees making it to the playoffs with 43 games left is a bit of a challenge.

The rest of August they're playing all AL East teams (16 games), and in September they're playing 18 out of 27 games against the AL East.

That's quite the gauntlet to run when you're 5 games out of the last playoff spot (Oakland) with 4 teams between you and that spot. Tampa is only a half game better than Oakland.

If the Yankees have a playoff spot in August, maybe they can challenge for the division. That's a really big IF, though.
 
2013-08-15 09:37:42 AM
We still don't want him back.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs
 
2013-08-15 09:48:43 AM

mainstreet62: The rest of August they're playing all AL East teams (16 games), and in September they're playing 18 out of 27 games against the AL East.


That's actually helpful.  The Yankees have to go on a tear to get in.... they have to leapfrog over 4 teams just to get the second wild card.  They can't play .550 ball and hope all of those teams (and/or the division leaders) crap out and play .200 ball.

And if they're going to go on a tear, having a bunch of games vs. the Rays and Orioles means they can simultaneously knock them down as they climb up.

That all said, as fun is it is to watch the Yankees repeatedly resurrect the husks of players you thought retired in 2011, they're going nowhere.  This is still a team with Lyle Overbay, Chris Stewart, and Eduardo Nunez in the everyday lineup.  MLB is looking to re-suspend A-Rod ASAP, and the Yankees' other 3B options are truly grim.  No one knows if Jeter can step on the field for more than a game or two at a time.  Wells, Nix, and Adams keep sneaking into games, apparently with the manager's permission.  Alfonso Soriano is very likely to turn back into Alfonso Soriano.  Etc.
 
2013-08-15 09:57:27 AM

mainstreet62: Realistically, the Yankees making it to the playoffs with 43 games left is a bit of a challenge.

The rest of August they're playing all AL East teams (16 games), and in September they're playing 18 out of 27 games against the AL East.


On the other hand, if they can beat the other AL East teams they could be on top of the AL East, and get into the playoffs that way.  It'll be a tall order, for sure, and they will probably need some help from other teams; but if Soriano is really the spark they needed, there is a real chance to pull it off.
 
2013-08-15 09:57:39 AM

chimp_ninja: mainstreet62: The rest of August they're playing all AL East teams (16 games), and in September they're playing 18 out of 27 games against the AL East.

That's actually helpful.  The Yankees have to go on a tear to get in.... they have to leapfrog over 4 teams just to get the second wild card.  They can't play .550 ball and hope all of those teams (and/or the division leaders) crap out and play .200 ball.

And if they're going to go on a tear, having a bunch of games vs. the Rays and Orioles means they can simultaneously knock them down as they climb up.

That all said, as fun is it is to watch the Yankees repeatedly resurrect the husks of players you thought retired in 2011, they're going nowhere.  This is still a team with Lyle Overbay, Chris Stewart, and Eduardo Nunez in the everyday lineup.  MLB is looking to re-suspend A-Rod ASAP, and the Yankees' other 3B options are truly grim.  No one knows if Jeter can step on the field for more than a game or two at a time.  Wells, Nix, and Adams keep sneaking into games, apparently with the manager's permission.  Alfonso Soriano is very likely to turn back into Alfonso Soriano.  Etc.


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You're not wrong though.
 
2013-08-15 10:07:45 AM
Soriano is a streak hitter. Will hit 8 hr in a week then go 0 for 30
 
2013-08-15 10:09:34 AM

idesofmarch: You're not wrong though.


Not to mention the fact that making the playoffs with that lying fraud A-Rod is a total nightmare for anyone who doesn't spray their shorts at being hated by everyone else on the planet.  I really just can't root for this team.
 
2013-08-15 10:24:04 AM

Yanks_RSJ: idesofmarch: You're not wrong though.

Not to mention the fact that making the playoffs with that lying fraud A-Rod is a total nightmare for anyone who doesn't spray their shorts at being hated by everyone else on the planet.  I really just can't root for this team.


Not to be a broken record, but I really want Mo to finish his career on a highest note possible: retiring the final batter in a World Series-clinching game.  And I also want Ichiro to finally get a ring.  If that means putting up with A-Rod for a couple months, I can live with it.  Especially if his appeal is denied and he misses so much time he opts to have his contract bought out.
 
2013-08-15 10:26:39 AM

idesofmarch: Not to be a broken record, but I really want Mo to finish his career on a highest note possible: retiring the final batter in a World Series-clinching game.  And I also want Ichiro to finally get a ring.  If that means putting up with A-Rod for a couple months, I can live with it.


It doesn't just mean "putting up" with A-Rod for a couple months, it means hearing (correctly, IMO) that the 2013 World Series is tainted and undeserved.  I would take absolutely no joy whatsoever out of it for that reason.
 
2013-08-15 10:42:28 AM

Yanks_RSJ: idesofmarch: Not to be a broken record, but I really want Mo to finish his career on a highest note possible: retiring the final batter in a World Series-clinching game.  And I also want Ichiro to finally get a ring.  If that means putting up with A-Rod for a couple months, I can live with it.

It doesn't just mean "putting up" with A-Rod for a couple months, it means hearing (correctly, IMO) that the 2013 World Series is tainted and undeserved.  I would take absolutely no joy whatsoever out of it for that reason.


Yeah, you'd hear that a lot, but then somebody (if not me) would point out that if you start to go down that route, it would be hard to find a World Series that wasn't tainted, because odds are all or most WS winning teams had at least one PED or other drug user - most of whom we don't know about.

Also, I don't want a win this year so much as a fan of the Yankees, I want it as a fan of Rivera.
 
2013-08-15 10:43:19 AM

Stoj: We still don't want him back to use him outside of the lead off spot, thus wasting his propensity to hit 30+ home runs and exacerbating his streakiness.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs


I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.
 
2013-08-15 10:44:42 AM

idesofmarch: Not to be a broken record, but I really want Mo to finish his career on a highest note possible: retiring the final batter in a World Series-clinching game. And I also want Ichiro to finally get a ring.


Mo's legacy seems safe enough without that.  It's a "nice to have", but it wouldn't be horrible if he just retired.

But otherwise, I like Ichiro more than I care about A-Rod, especially because there's no way MLB lets A-Rod step to the plate in a postseason game this year.  I don't think Ichiro was ever the best player in MLB (*), but he had a good run where he was the most fun player to watch.

(*): Maybe the best in the AL in 2004.
 
2013-08-15 10:48:33 AM

largedon: Amazing what leaving the Cubs can do for a person.


Actually, he was that hot leading up to the trade.
 
2013-08-15 10:55:35 AM

bertor_vidas: I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.


1) RBIs are always a dumb metric, but they're super-dumb on a guy who frequently bats leadoff in the NL.  Just getting that out of the way.

2) His offensive flaw during his Cubs years was that he was a hackmaster, and the power he'd bring to the table was somewhat wasted by all the outs he'd create by swinging at stuff a foot off the plate.

3) His major flaw is that he went from being an iffy defensive 2B (where the offensive bar is low) to a poor defensive LF (the easiest position in the field).  Getting 20-30 HR and 30 doubles from your 2B can let you overlook some booted grounders.  But if you're in LF, basically every LF can do that.  You need to really crush some baseballs, or at least catch a lot of them.

4) He was still, on balance, a good player (+1-2 WAR per year with the Cubs on average).  The problem was that he was being paid $18M/year, which means the fans were expecting a great player.
 
2013-08-15 11:15:36 AM

bertor_vidas: Stoj: We still don't want him back to use him outside of the lead off spot, thus wasting his propensity to hit 30+ home runs and exacerbating his streakiness.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs

I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.


He was paid $115 million to hit .264 as a Cub over 7 years.  He couldn't steal bases after his quad injury in 2007, and gave us a .317 OBP while he was here.  In our crapfest post-season, he was one of the crappiest, going 3 for 28 (all singles).

He's a good guy and a decent player.  But he sucked up so much payroll - his numbers didn't justify it.  He became the face of the overpaid, choking, losing Cubs, whether he deserved it or not.
 
2013-08-15 11:42:56 AM

chimp_ninja: bertor_vidas: I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.

1) RBIs are always a dumb metric, but they're super-dumb on a guy who frequently bats leadoff in the NL.  Just getting that out of the way.

2) His offensive flaw during his Cubs years was that he was a hackmaster, and the power he'd bring to the table was somewhat wasted by all the outs he'd create by swinging at stuff a foot off the plate.

3) His major flaw is that he went from being an iffy defensive 2B (where the offensive bar is low) to a poor defensive LF (the easiest position in the field).  Getting 20-30 HR and 30 doubles from your 2B can let you overlook some booted grounders.  But if you're in LF, basically every LF can do that.  You need to really crush some baseballs, or at least catch a lot of them.

4) He was still, on balance, a good player (+1-2 WAR per year with the Cubs on average).  The problem was that he was being paid $18M/year, which means the fans were expecting a great player.


1) Not my complaint against him. It was the complaint of the Cubs fans I knew in my hometown, hence the additional comment about going back and "figuring out" how many additional RBIs not hitting lead off could have brought him so I could counter their logic in a way they could actually understand. Better simple metric for a lead off would be OBP which Cubs fans I knew completely ignored.

2) I recognized his inconsistency in my comment. It came after the struck through italics. What you want in a lead off hitter is consistency and an ability to draw walks. I seem to remember him swinging like Gilbert Arenas shot, never saw a pitch he didn't like.

3&4) So the Cubs management (front office and coaches) whiffed on a decision? Color me surprised. They switched his position (moving him from a favorable to unfavorable offensive comparison while also worsening the defensive comparison), batted him in the wrong spot, and overpaid him. I think you can pick 2 of those 3 to screw up and a player will be a bust for your team. In typical Cubs fashion, they went whole hog and did all three.

I suppose the point of my original comment was, "I don't understand why they hate Soriano. They should hate the team's management. Soriano is just an easy scapegoat and a symbol of how terrible your management is. Getting rid of him won't change the culture of mismanagement in Chicago."
 
2013-08-15 11:54:04 AM

Stoj: bertor_vidas: Stoj: We still don't want him back to use him outside of the lead off spot, thus wasting his propensity to hit 30+ home runs and exacerbating his streakiness.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs

I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.

He was paid $115 million to hit .264 as a Cub over 7 years.  He couldn't steal bases after his quad injury in 2007, and gave us a .317 OBP while he was here.  In our crapfest post-season, he was one of the crappiest, going 3 for 28 (all singles).

He's a good guy and a decent player.  But he sucked up so much payroll - his numbers didn't justify it.  He became the face of the overpaid, choking, losing Cubs, whether he deserved it or not.


For me, there are two different kinds of faces to the Cubs. There's the Wood/Prior face for the smart investments that didn't pan out due to bad luck and injuries. Both guys seemed like good people, good players, and good teammates. They just couldn't stay healthy to save their lives. Throw in that they were "fierce competitor" types who came back from injuries too soon and played for the Cubs, end result is a recipe for disaster. Then there's the Zambrano/Bradley face for the idiotic investments that didn't pan out due to the nature of the players. Granted, the Cubs were in a bad spot with Zambrano. They either had to overpay him and deal with his temper tantrums and hissy fits or had to let him walk, scramble to find a replacement, and have a full blown fan revolt on their hands. They just forgot to account for the fact that they're the Cubs, and he went downhill after a season or two on his 20mil/year contract. Bradley, of course, was Bradley. As I've hear it said in the Army, you can't fix stupid.
 
2013-08-15 12:01:18 PM
Soriano's the guy I thought the Rangers should have traded for to replace Cruz.
 
2013-08-15 12:03:13 PM
Goddammit, I knew this was going to happen...  I was terrified of this guy when he was with the Yankees before.  I was on a road trip with a Yankee fan when the deal was announced, and I could tell from their glee that "Fonzie" was back that this was a bad, bad thing.

Seriously, I'm actually kinda happy for the guy, he looked like a world-beater when he came up with the Yankees as Rookie of the Year..
 
2013-08-15 12:11:17 PM

Stoj: We still don't want him back.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs


THIS!!!
 
2013-08-15 12:17:46 PM
Well, it'll be rough when he goes on one of his cold streaks, but it's been a fun as fark past two days, lol.  As for the playoffs, well.  Keep hope alive, mofo.
 
2013-08-15 02:11:53 PM
Soriano with an RBI single to tie the game at 1...geez, pick up the pace why don't you, lol.
 
2013-08-15 02:27:54 PM

robsul82: Soriano with an RBI single to tie the game at 1...geez, pick up the pace why don't you, lol.


He's making up for the vortex of garbage that is Vernon Wells.
 
2013-08-15 02:27:55 PM

WTF Indeed: largedon: Amazing what leaving the Cubs can do for a person. Moving to a stadium where the power alleys are 355'


Ahem.
 
2013-08-15 02:51:52 PM

idesofmarch: robsul82: Soriano with an RBI single to tie the game at 1...geez, pick up the pace why don't you, lol.

He's making up for the vortex of garbage that is Vernon Wells.


Human garbage he is, aye.
 
2013-08-15 02:52:22 PM
A guy has a good week and gets his own thread?  It's not like it's a record setting week.

Brandon Belt won player of the week last week.  Where is his thread?

/east coast bias
 
2013-08-15 02:54:21 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: A guy has a good week and gets his own thread?  It's not like it's a record setting week.

Brandon Belt won player of the week last week.  Where is his thread?

/east coast bias


That was actually his last two games.And 2 for 2 today.
 
2013-08-15 02:58:46 PM

W.C.fields forever: That was actually his last two games.And 2 for 2 today.


Ok well that's pretty good.
 
2013-08-15 03:09:35 PM

machoprogrammer: Soriano is a streak hitter. Will hit 8 hr in a week then go 0 for 30


When he is cold,that slider on the outside corner gets him everytime.
a few years ago he was in such a slump he walked up to bat and just
told the plate umpire 'IM OUT!!!' and walked back to the dugout
 
2013-08-15 03:25:16 PM

mainstreet62: Realistically, the Yankees making it to the playoffs with 43 games left is a bit of a challenge.

If the Yankees have a playoff spot in August, maybe they can challenge for the division. That's a really big IF, though.


Yankees lost its three biggest power bats early in the season, along with jeter. Name 1 team that managed to stay 10 games back while losing its core 3 hitters.
Not one team I can remember ever managed such a thing. I personally don't care if they make the playoffs, with all the injuries its near impossible for them to over come it, however the Rays have a tendency to blow up as well as Red sox so you never know.

/rather them not make the play offs, the season went to hell with those injuries however baseball is baseball just about anything can happen - like blow a 9 game lead over wildcard
 
2013-08-15 05:15:44 PM

Rwa2play: Ahem.


Ahem.

The wall is closer to the plate and two feet shorter. Every home run that barely gets over the auxiliary scoreboard would not have been a homer in the old park.
 
2013-08-15 05:26:29 PM
This called for the obvious tag.
The Cubs are cursed.

/and there fans are stupid and they smell bad.
 
2013-08-15 05:28:50 PM

WTF Indeed: Rwa2play: Ahem.

Ahem.

The wall is closer to the plate and two feet shorter. Every home run that barely gets over the auxiliary scoreboard would not have been a homer in the old park.


Yet you stated:

WTF Indeed: largedon: Amazing what leaving the Cubs can do for a person. Moving to a stadium where the power alleys are 355'


So...
 
2013-08-15 05:34:31 PM

Rwa2play: So...


A knowledge of the wall angles + sarcasm = 355'

In reality it's anywhere from 355' to 365' at the start of the bullpen. The angle of the new wall isn't as sharp making it pretty much a straight line from about 10' after the pole.
 
2013-08-15 08:54:59 PM

WTF Indeed: Rwa2play: So...

A knowledge of the wall angles + sarcasm = 355'

In reality it's anywhere from 355' to 365' at the start of the bullpen. The angle of the new wall isn't as sharp making it pretty much a straight line from about 10' after the pole.


Regardless, left to left center field in Yankee Stadium is an above average shot.  Unless you're putting the ball close to the line, in which case suddenly popups get out.

But left center in Yankee Stadium is one of the deeper left centers out there.
 
2013-08-16 12:57:01 AM

bertor_vidas: Stoj: We still don't want him back to use him outside of the lead off spot, thus wasting his propensity to hit 30+ home runs and exacerbating his streakiness.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs

I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.


Cub fan likes "scrappy" players.  Soriano is not "scrappy".  Also, he hops when he catches the ball, which is a sign of being "flashy" as we all know is the racial opposite of "scrappy" in the Chicago sports lexicon.  NEVER be born "flashy" if you want to be popular in chicago sports.

This is also why Jay Cutler is great despite being a talentless baby, but talent laden Cedric Benson got run out of town.  Imagine how long ago Cutler would have been run out of chicago if he were more "flashy" than "scrappy".

/ dont even start, cub fan, unless you can explain why Matt Murton and Sam Fuld were local heros and Jacque Jones was not tolerated.  Even the great and powerful Shawon Dunston took more boos than mickey morandini.
 
2013-08-16 01:07:56 AM
Yeah I remember how everyone hated Sosa.

Oh wait no I don't.

Chicagoans like scrappy because it fits the city image, plus most cities love scrappy.

But ok - it's racism.  Or something.

Now excuse me while I hand wash my Augie Ojeda jersey.
 
2013-08-16 01:19:13 AM

I sound fat: bertor_vidas: Stoj: We still don't want him back to use him outside of the lead off spot, thus wasting his propensity to hit 30+ home runs and exacerbating his streakiness.

Sincerely,
The Chicago Cubs

I lived at the confluence of the Cubs, Cardinals, and Braves networks. I got to watch a lot of Cubs baseball. Never could figure out all the hate for Soriano, especially complaints that he wasn't producing enough RBIs. I'd love to go back and figure out just how many game lead off home runs, doubles, and triples he hit which were wasted by virtue of leading off rather than batting 3rd or somewhere else in the lineup.

Cub fan likes "scrappy" players.  Soriano is not "scrappy".  Also, he hops when he catches the ball, which is a sign of being "flashy" as we all know is the racial opposite of "scrappy" in the Chicago sports lexicon.  NEVER be born "flashy" if you want to be popular in chicago sports.

This is also why Jay Cutler is great despite being a talentless baby, but talent laden Cedric Benson got run out of town.  Imagine how long ago Cutler would have been run out of chicago if he were more "flashy" than "scrappy".

/ dont even start, cub fan, unless you can explain why Matt Murton and Sam Fuld were local heros and Jacque Jones was not tolerated.  Even the great and powerful Shawon Dunston took more boos than mickey morandini.


Murton was an ogre-esque ginger.People love both ogres and gingers.
Fuld was tiny. People love tiny things.
Jones picked a fight with bleacher bums, can't bite the hand that feeds you. Essentially ended his career with the Cubs that very moment.

I don't get the Dunston hate.
 
2013-08-16 01:23:57 AM
I don't remember anyone hating Dunston - people yelled when anyone swung at a ball that bounced 4 feet in front of the plate.

And nobody likes Cutler.
 
2013-08-16 03:10:54 AM

Stoj: Yeah I remember how everyone hated Sosa.

Oh wait no I don't.

Chicagoans like scrappy because it fits the city image, plus most cities love scrappy.

But ok - it's racism.  Or something.

Now excuse me while I hand wash my Augie Ojeda jersey.


I certainly remember that... Sosa was criticized for hopping out of the batters box.  criticism for him listening to music in the clubhouse.  Hell, people cheered when he left the team.  Mark Grace went to JAIL and he is still beloved.  You think Sosa could have pulled THAT off?

Dunston was my favoite player at the time, I took so much flak for that from EVERYBODY.  He was too "flashy"  hell, he wore WRISTBANDS!!

Murton sucked.  Fuld sucked (though  your tiny argument may hold water).  Jones is a professional hitter who excelled everywhere he went.   If Cub Fan were not biased, the allegiances would have been different.
 
2013-08-16 07:41:19 AM

I sound fat: Murton sucked.



He holds the single season record for hits in Japan. Gotta be worth something.
 
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