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(NBC News)   Death toll in Egypt passes 420 with 3600 injured, Muslim brotherhood leader promises not to cower, sends his supporters to throw rocks at tanks via twitter. (graphic images in slideshow)   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 135
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2013-08-15 07:54:22 AM
What if they want to die?  I thought they get to go to heaven and be with 72 virgins if they die "fighting" for what they believed in?
 
2013-08-15 07:54:59 AM
I do love how the leaders of these movements are perfectly happy to call on the masses to martyr themselves, but never seem to put themselves at risk.
 
2013-08-15 07:55:34 AM
Bomb them relentlessly! We must stop the killing!
 
2013-08-15 07:58:20 AM
Sooooo what, tomorrow they'll use the jets we gave them to bomb their own people? I'm betting by this weekend at the latest.
 
2013-08-15 07:59:12 AM
The opposition party refused to work with the new Morsi-led government, then staged a coup when Morsi went ahead without them and created a new constitution.

I'm not feeling very sympathetic to either side.
 
2013-08-15 08:01:54 AM

devildog123: I do love how the leaders of these movements are perfectly happy to call on the masses to martyr themselves, but never seem to put themselves at risk.


Whenever a politician or general or corporate executive or priest says something is "worth the cost"...
you can be sure of one thing:

Someone else paid the price.
 
2013-08-15 08:03:08 AM
They should do something to calm down the people.  Shooting them will just make them more angry.
 
2013-08-15 08:03:52 AM
When historians look back 1) what will this call the era of world history we are in now? 2) when did it begin?
 
2013-08-15 08:05:27 AM

devildog123: I do love how the leaders of these movements are perfectly happy to call on the masses to martyr themselves, but never seem to put themselves at risk.


Lions and donkeys would be their response.
 
2013-08-15 08:07:12 AM
I had no idea one could use twitter to throw rocks.
 
2013-08-15 08:08:58 AM

BalugaJoe: They should do something to calm down the people.  Shooting them will just make them more angry.


A calm middle east is in no one's best interests. Except maybe the people living there, but who cares about them.
 
2013-08-15 08:09:35 AM

PunGent: devildog123: I do love how the leaders of these movements are perfectly happy to call on the masses to martyr themselves, but never seem to put themselves at risk.

Whenever a politician or general or corporate executive or priest says something is "worth the cost"...
you can be sure of one thing:

Someone else paid the price.


At least when generals and politicians send their troops off to fight, they send them off with training, gear, and equipment.  Maybe not perfect equipment, but something.  These assholes send unarmed kids against tanks.
 
2013-08-15 08:09:56 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-15 08:12:05 AM

Gunny Highway: When historians look back 1) what will this call the era of world history we are in now? 2) when did it begin?


Technological era. It began when Al Gore opened the covers on the first internet tubes and let the web escape out into the atmosphere.
 
2013-08-15 08:12:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The opposition party refused to work with the new Morsi-led government, then staged a coup when Morsi went ahead without them and created a new constitution.

I'm not feeling very sympathetic to either side.


Agreed.  I give absolutely 0 farks about that whole part of the planet.  Egypt, you made your bed, now lay in it.
 
2013-08-15 08:12:13 AM
You have to break a few infidels to make a good omelette.
 
2013-08-15 08:13:40 AM

vudukungfu: You have to break a few infidels to make a good omelette.


Funny, I like my infidels over zealous.
 
2013-08-15 08:15:03 AM

BalugaJoe: They should do something to calm down the people.  Shooting them will just make them more angry.


wowblog.grimmlabs.com
 
2013-08-15 08:18:47 AM
The Muslim Brotherhood declares the revolution as Glorious.

Reminds me of this passage:


James T. Kirk: You fool, look around you! The planet's destroying itself!Kruge: Yes, exhilarating, isn't it?mediamikes.com
 
2013-08-15 08:20:57 AM
Huh. Subby wasn't joking. That's really sad.
 
2013-08-15 08:23:58 AM
My gf, who doesn't give a shiat about this type of stuff usually, seemed very disturbed and captivated once CNN showed very graphic scenes from last night.

I think that's our problem here. Yeah, this stuff happens so much over there that sometimes its not unusual for the masses to just not give a fark but we have to blame our pussy media for lack of true, real coverage (I know, I know. It was CNN..). I think once in a while we have to see some of these events unravel in a graphic way to really understand. We are visual by nature, no?
 
2013-08-15 08:25:25 AM
Churches were attacked in the Nile Valley towns of Minya, Sohag and Assiut, where Christians escaped across the roof into a neighboring building after a mob surrounded and hurled bricks at their place of worship, state news agency MENA said.

Ok... f*ck these assholes. You want to go after the military over your democratically elected dude getting yanked (but he was a cocksucker who needed to be yanked and probably would have destroyed the fledgling democracy anyway) but now you are attacking Christians "just because"? F*ck you. Die. You are the worst form of muslim and bring shame to all the others. This is why your guy had to be yanked. You are psychotic zealots who only care about yourselves and your bullsh*t interpretation of Islam. You were allowed to select another leader to run in the new elections and could have picked a guy who wouldn't completely dismantle the functioning government to enforce a heavy handed theocracy essentially breaking the law... but no. You gotta act the fool and stir up sh*t like a bunch of AW titty babbys making life miserable for everyone else. F*ck you you selfish, arrogant cocks.

And Egypt's military? Why the HELL would you go full scorched earth on these people? They couldn't hurt you. Nobody liked them. Nobody agreed with them. Everyone else were just waiting for the elections. You could have just rubber bulleted the f*ckers or kettled them if they got uppity until the elections. Now you've got a whole sh*t load of martyrs and everyone is horrified at what you've done. Fuggin' idiots.

This better not turn into some kind of global conflict. Considering the strategic importance of Egypt though it is very possible the chickenhawks are rubbing their tiny little dicks over this grinning from ear to ear. F*ck.
 
2013-08-15 08:26:50 AM

Gunny Highway: When historians look back 1) what will this call the era of world history we are in now?


Thanks Obama Era
 
2013-08-15 08:33:23 AM
Military thugs killing muslim theocrats. Whoever wins, we lose.
 
2013-08-15 08:34:21 AM

Gunny Highway: When historians look back 1) what will this call the era of world history we are in now? 2) when did it begin?


A shiat show.
 
2013-08-15 08:35:12 AM
And this is one of those examples of how sometimes democracy just isn't all that great. We only blather on about it and insist the rest of the world be democratic because we are. It is jingoistic bullsh*t. Many places do not have the resources, education level or just downright benevolence among its citizenry to form a responsible democracy like the ones in Europe and America. Hell even THOSE ones aren't really all that great. And the whole "every other political system is worse!!" argument is lame. Yeah there have been problems with some of the experiments in history but there have indeed been stable and benevolent governments that weren't democracies. Cripes... ancient Egypt was one. Communism might not have been so bad if it hadn't gotten hijacked by madmen at the onset and then continuously attacked and starved by the west afterward. There were some decent monarchies that did great things. There have even been some relatively stable theocracies (but not from Abrahamic religions).

Egypt obviously was not ready for a democracy. It's a shame but just look at this fuggin' mess. Ridiculous..
 
2013-08-15 08:42:29 AM
There's a video of a police armored car being thrown off of a viaduct yesterday:

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-15 08:50:39 AM
420??? Dude!
 
2013-08-15 08:50:50 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Military thugs killing muslim theocrats. Whoever wins, we are blamed .

FTFY

 
2013-08-15 08:51:34 AM
To paraphrase Mercutio: A plague on both their houses.
 
2013-08-15 08:56:16 AM

give me doughnuts: To paraphrase Mercutio: A plague on both their houses.


Egypt is supposedly used to plagues of all kinds.
 
2013-08-15 08:56:19 AM
My mother is in Egypt and wrote me this email this morning of her observations:


As you suggested, I will try to describe my perspective regarding what is going on in Egypt at the present time...

Yesterday was a sad and violent day in the history of the country. Things started out positively by what appeared to be a breakup of the sit ins.... tear gas and water canons, but no major loss of life.... but the situation quickly deteriorated into chaos and violence all around the country. I spent the day watching the various news agencies report on the events and also listening to messages and phone calls from friends and acquaintances of Nana, and her son Magd. They were receiving updates from various locations around Cairo and other cities and towns in Egypt.

The news agencies in the western media insist on,portraying the sit ins as peaceful demonstrations, whereas the images on local tv channels today and over the past couple of weeks have shown the brotherhood to be armed and violent... People who disagreed with them , and lived to tell about it, were tortured in most inhumane ways... Women were told it was their religious duty to have sex with men they did not know in the name of their religious battle ... Those who refused were raped or killed. Children were bussed in, collected from orphanages, duped into thinking they are going to get new clothes for the Eid .. Instead they were paraded holding their own funeral attire, with banners declaring them as future martyrs..the atrocities are too numerous to mention here, but the images I saw, and the stories I heard from acquaintances living in the neighborhood of the sit ins reveal a group of thugs and extremists that define the word "terrorists". I am not saying that all those who were there were terrorists. There were many people who believed they were there to defend their religion and many many very poor people who were happy to get money, free food and shelter for a month...

I don't know why the western position is to reach a negotiated settlement... Would they negotiate with terrorists,? Worse, would you include them in any current or future government? These were people who have pending espionage and criminal cases against them since before the revolution... They wanted to divide and sell off parts of Egypt for their and the brotherhood's gain. They cared only for their clan and not for their country or fellow citizens who they branded as atheists and non Muslims ( a great insult to the average Egyptian, who values faith above all). On tv, I heard their leader state that the attacks on the outposts in the Sinai would stop the instant the new government released and reinstated Morsi... They have used arms smuggled from Lybia and Hammas to kill their own people. They opened the borders to extremists from other countries to join the fight in the name of Islam!

What I believe the west do not understand is that the brotherhood is an organization created in the shadows. It preaches a form of repressive and extreme Islam. And wants to impose its views not only in Egypt, but all over the world, by whatever means and at all costs.. They are extremely dangerous and very adaptable. They will make a bargain with the devil if it leads to eventual domination and control.
What happened yesterday, from burning churches, government offices and police stations was their attempt to stir up religious divisions between Christians and Moslems. They started fires everywhere to overwhelm the authorities and create chaos. They want to create the illusion of civil war and portray the country as a divided broken , and in need of foreign intervention.

What the west does not see or report on is the intense hatred most Egyptians have for the brotherhood. Even those who voted for them have come out publicly and denounced them.. In neighborhoods and villages, the residents have thwarted many of the brotherhood's efforts to control them. They tried to hide inside the holy Azhar Mosque, but were stopped by the people of the neighborhood... There are many stories of Moslems helping Christians defend churches or put out fires, once started... I hope their attempt to incite violence and division fails... I believe that what they are doing is galvanizing the masses against them . At least that is my hope.

I am afraid that their attacks may increase in the next weeks and months. I hope the country can stand together to defend itself against that evil onslaught. My hope is that the west will come to see that there is more to democracy than a vote .... and that the will of the people will eventually triumph above all pretenses of law and legitimacy. I believe that moving forward to reinstate a civilian government will help reinforce that view.

I still am cautiously optimistic about the future, although I am aware of the massive risks and dangers that lie ahead.

I hope this gives you a different perspective to what you see in the media where you are.

Please feel free to share this with whoever you think might be interested.

Much love,
Mom
 
2013-08-15 08:58:53 AM
They say the death toll is up over 525 now
 
2013-08-15 09:05:27 AM
seriously, why on earth should I give a shiat.
send in john kerry
send in biden
sssend more poliiice
send more paramedicssss

when you shat where you eat, you get what you deserve
 
2013-08-15 09:08:53 AM
I have no idea what opinion to have on which side, if there ARE cohesive sides at all, I should be supporting, if any should be supported at all.  Do I support the "freedom loving rebels of Arab Spring" who demand repressive shariah law while raping female foreign correspondents?  Do I back the repressive Military Coup that espouses secular governance while murdering dissidents, keeping the masses poor and playing puppet to the highest global bidder?  I feel for the average Egyptian stuck in this mess.  Like usual, the radicals on every end of every measure of politics, social justice, and human rights are victimizing the majority.  What a mess.
 
2013-08-15 09:11:36 AM
So when does Israel retake the Sinai?
 
2013-08-15 09:14:38 AM

lookandsee: I had no idea one could use twitter to throw rocks.


Eats, shoots, and leaves
 
2013-08-15 09:18:42 AM

2wolves: give me doughnuts: To paraphrase Mercutio: A plague on both their houses.

Egypt is supposedly used to plagues of all kinds.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Nice!
 
hej
2013-08-15 09:25:11 AM
How do you throw rocks via Twitter?
 
2013-08-15 09:27:25 AM

Cbad: My mother is in Egypt and wrote me this email this morning of her observations:



Jesus, heavy stuff....I hope she's OK
 
2013-08-15 09:28:08 AM

FullMetalPanda: What if they want to die?  I thought they get to go to heaven and be with 72 virgins if they die "fighting" for what they believed in?


You farkers better hurry and get laid. It doesnt say that the virgins have to be female.
 
2013-08-15 09:31:27 AM

Cbad: What the west does not see or report on is the intense hatred most Egyptians have for the brotherhood.


Sure, which is why they elected them into office in the first place.
 
2013-08-15 09:43:11 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Cbad: What the west does not see or report on is the intense hatred most Egyptians have for the brotherhood.

Sure, which is why they elected them into office in the first place.


The Muslim Brotherhood model(in Iran, Pakistan, etc) is to promise all sorts of reforms that they never deliver and to pound on a return to "traditional values". They also bring in funding and provide food/clothing for the poor that they use to build a base of election "volunteers" and to buy their votes. They start by positioning themselves as a populist and charitable organization then once they have power they shift to an extremely conservative Muslim message: which is what people are upset about.
 
2013-08-15 09:43:53 AM

Fecacacophany: I have no idea what opinion to have on which side, if there ARE cohesive sides at all, I should be supporting, if any should be supported at all.  Do I support the "freedom loving rebels of Arab Spring" who demand repressive shariah law while raping female foreign correspondents?  Do I back the repressive Military Coup that espouses secular governance while murdering dissidents, keeping the masses poor and playing puppet to the highest global bidder?  I feel for the average Egyptian stuck in this mess.  Like usual, the radicals on every end of every measure of politics, social justice, and human rights are victimizing the majority.  What a mess.


s4.hubimg.com
 
2013-08-15 09:47:54 AM
As a person who loves the thought of freedom and a world run by reason and compassion... I have to urge the Egyptian army to kill as many Muslim Brotherhood supporters as possible.
 
2013-08-15 09:48:44 AM
420 Trifecta complete.
 
2013-08-15 09:51:35 AM
I really want to see somebody throw rocks via twitter.

What a fascinating and modern world we live in...
 
2013-08-15 09:52:21 AM

 Lt. Cheese Weasel: Cbad: What the west does not see or report on is the intense hatred most Egyptians have for the brotherhood.

Sure, which is why they elected them into office in the first place.


Read the WHOLE thing. And look around you. Elections and politics are about appearing  a certain way and getting into power. And often, the true nature is not revealed until later. And people who voted based on a certain ideal that was just a ruse to grab power are often regretful.

As this woman stated.

Cbad, that was amazing. Thank you for sharing that.
 
2013-08-15 10:00:54 AM
This is BAD.

The Muslim Brotherhood is going to be butt-hurt over this FAIL of DEMOCRACY and suppression of their people for YEARS to come in COUNTRIES FAR AND WIDE.
 
2013-08-15 10:02:54 AM

Cbad: My mother is in Egypt and wrote me this email this morning of her observations:



Thank you for sharing this.  I have been so confused about what was happening and this cleared a lot up for me!
 
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