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2013-08-15 07:58:06 AM
EA to use exact likenesses and names changed by one letter.

/game back on
 
2013-08-15 08:02:15 AM
This is the rare story that could be equally at home on the Geek or Sports tab.
 
2013-08-15 08:12:54 AM
Wouldn't an easy solution to this be to offer post college royalties to the athletes at a negotiated amount? The athletes don't get paid for their likeness while in college but after they leave they get a check from EA for retro appearances. Seems fair and simple to me.
 
2013-08-15 08:14:38 AM
Yeah, I know the instigators are greedy colleges exploiting their "student athletes".  But I can't help but cheer mentally at anything that screws over EA.
 
2013-08-15 08:15:50 AM
Right result, wrong reason.  EA is the only game company that I hope goes bankrupt.  They take over good companies and fine intellectual properties, and water them down into a grey shapeless paste.

That and they treat their programmers like crap.
 
2013-08-15 08:20:10 AM
Another "please let both sides lose" situation.
 
2013-08-15 08:27:27 AM
hopefully the NFL terminates their contract with EA as well...
 
2013-08-15 08:29:47 AM

meanmutton: Is this the thread where people pretend that the players aren't allowed to get unrestricted cash payments from their schools?


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-08-15 08:41:12 AM

AdamK: hopefully the NFL terminates their contract with EA as well...


I'd wish the same for FIFA but it's plainly obvious that they are for sale to the highest bidder *cough* Russia *cough* Qatar.
 
2013-08-15 08:41:17 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

I tihnk this was the last NFL game I bought...only cost $20 as well!
 
2013-08-15 08:43:46 AM
This is going to be such a fustercluck if CLC can't get all of their member schools to include themselves. If you have even one school out of a conference say no, then the whole dynamic is gone. Imagine playing Week 14 at the Florida Gators against the South Florida Typhoons.

Not to mention what happens to the conference championship games now. With no marks from the conferences, no branded championship game. Just "Generic Conference Championship Game."

This is going to be the worst thing to happen to video game football since EA got the exclusive NFL license and 2K had to quit with NFL2k5 (which is still the best NFL game ever created, next to TecmoBowl)
 
2013-08-15 08:57:59 AM

Burr: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x312]

I tihnk this was the last NFL game I bought...only cost $20 as well!


Oh look, a game from before all the major sports franchises decided that an EA monopoly was a good thing.  Remember that?
 
2013-08-15 09:26:22 AM
The NCAA would rather lose money than square up with former players.

That says all you need to know about the NCAA.
 
2013-08-15 09:32:50 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The NCAA would rather lose money than square up with former players.

That says all you need to know about the NCAA.


No, the NCAA would rather not make additional money than lose money.

It's not like they have to give back the cash they made in the past. Losing this revenue stream isn't as expensive as paying former players. It's a pretty easy business decision.

//I just defended the NCAA. I feel dirty now. But, still, it's just common business sense.
 
2013-08-15 09:46:09 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The NCAA would rather lose money than square up with former players.

That says all you need to know about the NCAA.


The ones who got a free education and notoriety that most college students would only dream of simply for being able to play a game?
 
2013-08-15 09:56:36 AM

Gonz: No, the NCAA would rather not make additional money than lose money.

It's not like they have to give back the cash they made in the past. Losing this revenue stream isn't as expensive as paying former players. It's a pretty easy business decision.


They probably only have to lose the revenue stream while this is being litigated.Once the courts decide how this goes the NCAA and EA can start working together again.
 
2013-08-15 10:21:12 AM
Go Geographic Location-State! Fighting Predator-Animal pride! Defeat the other Predator-Animal from Other Geographic Location!
 
2013-08-15 10:24:16 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is going to be the worst thing to happen to video game football since EA got the exclusive NFL license and 2K had to quit with NFL2k5 (which is still the best NFL game ever created, next to TecmoBowl)


NFL Blitz was badass back in the day before NFL forced them to remove everything that made it fun.
 
2013-08-15 10:38:01 AM
That Ed O'Bannon suit sure has the college athletics world running scared, doesn't it?

exparrot: EA to use exact likenesses and names changed by one letter.

/game back on


I look forward to playing as the Central Ohio Nuts and beating the Michigan Skunk Bears.

Cpl.D: Right result, wrong reason.  EA is the only game company that I hope goes bankrupt.  They take over good companies and fine intellectual properties, and water them down into a grey shapeless paste.

That and they treat their programmers like crap.


I was under the impression that all video game companies treat their employees like crap.
 
2013-08-15 10:42:38 AM
I hope this spells the end of the NCAA's reign of terror, and student athletes can finally be paid for the work that they do and the revenue they bring in.
 
2013-08-15 10:43:34 AM

llortcM_yllort: Cpl.D: Right result, wrong reason.  EA is the only game company that I hope goes bankrupt.  They take over good companies and fine intellectual properties, and water them down into a grey shapeless paste.

That and they treat their programmers like crap.

I was under the impression that all video game companies treat their employees like crap.


Wow, really? I've heard Valve is a fantastic shop.
 
2013-08-15 11:23:33 AM

exparrot: EA to use exact likenesses and names changed by one letter.

/game back on


Didn't EA start out by having matchups between "South Bend" and "Los Angeles" and such back in the SNES era?
 
2013-08-15 11:24:22 AM

Marine1: Marcus Aurelius: The NCAA would rather lose money than square up with former players.

That says all you need to know about the NCAA.

The ones who got a free education and notoriety that most college students would only dream of simply for being able to play a game?


whereas folks like Michael Dell can become multi millionaires using campus resources while still in school because they aren't athletes and can make money.

For most athletes their only time to cash in is in college. Once they graduate nobody cares about them unless they can go pro. Anyone else at college can cash in but not the guys and gals risking lifelong chronic pain on a daily basis.

One should have a natural right to trade on one's own likeness, reputation and characteristics to the fullest extent possible. That one can have the right to one's own self taken away is disturbing. That is the essence of the situation. They do not own themselves. They have no control over themselves. They have no right to better their situation because "they don't deserve better." We give them no practice at managing themselves while younger and those few who do go pro later frequently have no understanding of how to manage themselves.

All because they should be thankful of their shot at being a used car salesman or high school coach after they matriculate.
 
2013-08-15 11:25:46 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Go Geographic Location-State! Fighting Predator-Animal pride! Defeat the other Predator-Animal from Other Geographic Location!


The CLC is still working with EA, so the team names and locations can be used.  The conferences and bowl games though are now a problem.  Still, I imagine EA could figure a way around that and release College Football 2014 and not suffer much of a drop in sales.
 
2013-08-15 11:32:21 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: This is going to be such a fustercluck if CLC can't get all of their member schools to include themselves. If you have even one school out of a conference say no, then the whole dynamic is gone. Imagine playing Week 14 at the Florida Gators against the South Florida Typhoons.

Not to mention what happens to the conference championship games now. With no marks from the conferences, no branded championship game. Just "Generic Conference Championship Game."

This is going to be the worst thing to happen to video game football since EA got the exclusive NFL license and 2K had to quit with NFL2k5 (which is still the best NFL game ever created, next to TecmoBowl)


On the plus side, with no licenses, if you want to make a game, you have to focus on the actual game. A lot of the sales pitch from licensed games comes from selling the licensed brands and saying how close the game is to reality. Without licenses, you now have to focus on the game itself and make it something people want to play even if it isn't realistic.

Things tend to drift towards the 'arcade' end of the spectrum when that happens.
 
2013-08-15 11:33:26 AM
College football blows anyway now.  Everyone cheats to win, and if you don't your gonna lose.  So what's the point.  I can't remember the last time a team that didn't have glaring credibility issues won anything. NFL is all I'm watching this year, could care less about college anymore.
 
2013-08-15 11:37:16 AM

Marine1: Marcus Aurelius: The NCAA would rather lose money than square up with former players.

That says all you need to know about the NCAA.

The ones who got a free education and notoriety that most college students would only dream of simply for being able to play a game?


As opposed to the hundreds of millions of dollars generated every year off college football.
 
2013-08-15 11:48:41 AM

Gosling: exparrot: EA to use exact likenesses and names changed by one letter.

/game back on

Didn't EA start out by having matchups between "South Bend" and "Los Angeles" and such back in the SNES era?


Yes they did. And it was good.

Although you really had to know the nuances of your much more limited playbook.
 
2013-08-15 11:57:19 AM
Honestly, I think this is a good thing.  College football should go back to being amateur.  It's turned into a horrible montage of corruptness and poor sportsmanship.  If you want to go pro, you can still go pro.  If you want to play in college, then play in college.

NCAA's mission is still to be a good influence on the players, and that is a noble mission worth an effort.   It's a better direction to go than to start making them pro athletes.  If the NFL wants a farm league, they can make a farm league to fill any gaps that might be created.
 
2013-08-15 12:00:06 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Go Geographic Location-State! Fighting Predator-Animal pride! Defeat the other Predator-Animal from Other Geographic Location!

The CLC is still working with EA, so the team names and locations can be used.  The conferences and bowl games though are now a problem.  Still, I imagine EA could figure a way around that and release College Football 2014 and not suffer much of a drop in sales.


The bowls are safe. They're all independent of the NCAA and most are actually owned by ESPN. So as long as EA and ESPN remain tight, they'll be okay.
 
2013-08-15 12:12:31 PM

rugman11: Lumbar Puncture: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Go Geographic Location-State! Fighting Predator-Animal pride! Defeat the other Predator-Animal from Other Geographic Location!

The CLC is still working with EA, so the team names and locations can be used.  The conferences and bowl games though are now a problem.  Still, I imagine EA could figure a way around that and release College Football 2014 and not suffer much of a drop in sales.

The bowls are safe. They're all independent of the NCAA and most are actually owned by ESPN. So as long as EA and ESPN remain tight, they'll be okay.


So it's just the conference branding then?  I don't think it's the doom that some people believe it to be.
 
2013-08-15 12:16:53 PM
So console owners will be stuck with NCAA Football 14 for forever.  Considering us PC folks are stuck with NCAA Football 99 and a 6th gen port of Madden NFL 08 you won't be having it all that bad.
 
2013-08-15 12:33:26 PM

Lumbar Puncture: rugman11: Lumbar Puncture: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Go Geographic Location-State! Fighting Predator-Animal pride! Defeat the other Predator-Animal from Other Geographic Location!

The CLC is still working with EA, so the team names and locations can be used.  The conferences and bowl games though are now a problem.  Still, I imagine EA could figure a way around that and release College Football 2014 and not suffer much of a drop in sales.

The bowls are safe. They're all independent of the NCAA and most are actually owned by ESPN. So as long as EA and ESPN remain tight, they'll be okay.

So it's just the conference branding then?  I don't think it's the doom that some people believe it to be.


Yeah, we'll just end up with the South Conference, the Pacific Conference, and the Midwest Conference or something like that.
 
2013-08-15 12:57:15 PM
www.consoleclassix.com

/Best. Game. Evah.
 
2013-08-15 01:11:58 PM
I would like to see EA, in a futile attempt to get back at the NCAA and the conferences, rename all the teams by the nicknames put upon them by their rivals.

Florida State would be referred to as Free Shoes University perhaps.

Penn State might be State Pen

Please add your favorite.
 
2013-08-15 01:18:29 PM

Lucksbane: I would like to see EA, in a futile attempt to get back at the NCAA and the conferences, rename all the teams by the nicknames put upon them by their rivals.

Florida State would be referred to as Free Shoes University perhaps.

Penn State might be State Pen

Please add your favorite.


That Team Up North/Skunk Badgers (M*ch*g*n)
Da U (although that one's more embraced by Miami than foisted upon them)
Little Brother (Michigan State)
NerdWestern
Oregon Knights
 
2013-08-15 04:17:09 PM
Yessssss  Let EA's sports franchises fall apart! They are the only thing keeping them making a profit.

/If EA loses MADDEN and FIFA it's over for them.
 
2013-08-15 04:20:48 PM

exparrot: EA to use exact likenesses and names changed by one letter.

/game back on


SAC, Big Tin, and the PAK-12!  It's sorta in the game!
 
2013-08-16 12:18:54 AM

dj_spanmaster: I hope this spells the end of the NCAA's reign of terror, and student athletes can finally be paid for the work that they do and the revenue they bring in.


And the academic side that brings in billions more than athletics (Stanford brought in $1 billion by itself last year), are we going to pay all those students doing research and all that as well? The players will lose, because if they win, students will sue and it will destroy most colleges around the country.

The easiest solution is to let the NFL buy the NCAA and turn it into a developmental league, rent out the college stadiums for games and to preserve the college atmosphere while paying their athletes, somehow "rent" the names/license (and if they want to attend the college forcing them to pay tuition and holding them to the same academic level as all other students). I am not sure how it would work, but paying athletes more than free education, room/board, meals, books, gear, travel, and most players get a stipend...paying them more is not the answer unless you want the college system to completely collapse.

The argument that someone is profiting off your image is whiny...most companies can use your likeness however they want and it is probably written into most work contracts. They should just make the players look like Lego men with a number and similar stats and pay the school for their logos and keep names off the jerseys.
 
2013-08-16 04:26:50 AM

fluffy2097: Yessssss  Let EA's sports franchises fall apart! They are the only thing keeping them making a profit.

/If EA loses MADDEN and FIFA it's over for them.


But then Mirror's Edge 2 doesn't happen. And Remember Me is good.
 
2013-08-16 08:45:31 AM
Just make a generic college football game where every single thing is editable. Price it at 30.00 and everyone wins. The fans will make the cool stuff.
 
2013-08-16 08:48:22 AM

Burr: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x312]

I tihnk this was the last NFL game I bought...only cost $20 as well!


Lol, 9 years of biatching and people like you still exsist. Cute.

/did you buy ALL-Pro when 2k made it?
 
2013-08-16 10:19:15 AM

OhioUGrad: dj_spanmaster: I hope this spells the end of the NCAA's reign of terror, and student athletes can finally be paid for the work that they do and the revenue they bring in.

And the academic side that brings in billions more than athletics (Stanford brought in $1 billion by itself last year), are we going to pay all those students doing research and all that as well? The players will lose, because if they win, students will sue and it will destroy most colleges around the country.

The easiest solution is to let the NFL buy the NCAA and turn it into a developmental league, rent out the college stadiums for games and to preserve the college atmosphere while paying their athletes, somehow "rent" the names/license (and if they want to attend the college forcing them to pay tuition and holding them to the same academic level as all other students). I am not sure how it would work, but paying athletes more than free education, room/board, meals, books, gear, travel, and most players get a stipend...paying them more is not the answer unless you want the college system to completely collapse.

The argument that someone is profiting off your image is whiny...most companies can use your likeness however they want and it is probably written into most work contracts. They should just make the players look like Lego men with a number and similar stats and pay the school for their logos and keep names off the jerseys.


I'm sorry, OhioUGrad - did you miss what NCAA stands for? National Collegiate Athletic Association. Your statement on the academic side is off the mark, because the NCAA doesn't care about academics. It was created to standardize intercollegiate sports rules, so why should they specify that athletes not be paid? They've grown beyond their charter using mob tactics and should be trimmed. The college players already get money, and the system has not collapsed. Doing it all above-board is the only way to fix the corruption inherent to the system due to its internal contradictions.

As an aside, academic research students do sometimes get paid to do research work. It usually depends on research grants or department jobs, or they can seek out grants individually. This NCAA lawsuit will have zero standing on collegiate academic practices.
 
2013-08-16 12:36:13 PM
Writer/publisher in bed with anyone at all?
"The NCAA announced last month it will no longer allow Electronic Arts Inc. to use its logo starting next year. "

or would it seem more properly representative of what's going on the say

Will no longer sell their logo rights or accept money for the use of images and names of their property to be used.

Allow, yea that's right, allow, sounds better than sell or profit from.
 
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