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2013-08-14 06:07:25 PM
Poe's law?
 
2013-08-14 06:12:59 PM
Jesus Christ, what won't people get completely anally annihilated over for hurting their feelings?
 
2013-08-14 06:14:25 PM
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Looks like Zubaz pants are back.
 
2013-08-14 06:17:26 PM
Hey, I find horns on Viking helmets to be culturally offensive.  It is like a giant, ethnic-hating time traveling kick in the nuts to my ancestors who lived a thousand years ago.  So when the fark is Minnesota going to man up and remove those offensive protuberances from their mascot?  Hmmm?
 
2013-08-14 06:17:34 PM
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2013-08-14 06:17:48 PM
Wild.
 
2013-08-14 06:17:55 PM
I think he's Samoan...
 
2013-08-14 06:18:25 PM
Better than the tat I saw today.

It was words, in a cross shape.  The vertical part of the cross said "GodSentMe", the horizontal part say "To Kill".

He had a stylized Navy CPO insignia tattooed on the other arm that looked kinda like the Nazi eagle as well.
 
2013-08-14 06:18:39 PM
As long as they don't make it in plus sizes how could one be offended? We are all blessed by hot chicks in tight pants, the gods would approve.
 
2013-08-14 06:20:20 PM
 "To the outside world it's just a design," a commenter, Freddie Ika, wrote on a >Change.org petition that was launched on August 2 to protest the sale of the items. "But to my Polynesian people, it's sacred." Another comment read, "I am 100% Samoan and I find Nike's blatant disrespect and profit over my culture's way of life shameless and irreverent. The tatau is thousands of years old with a tradition of honor and you have reduced it to $80 Spanx. Remove at once!"

"Before you launch into something like this, there's generally a consultation with those...who have ownership of this pattern," New Zealand Labour MP Su'a William Sio told TVNZ. "I don't think Nike has taken the time to do that."


Somebody didnt get paid.
 
2013-08-14 06:20:38 PM

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It's ok.  I dude is wearing them.
 
2013-08-14 06:22:13 PM
OUTRAGE!!!
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2013-08-14 06:24:24 PM
What, it insults your culture of exclusion, elitism, and sexism so Nike shouldn't sell them due to a perception cultural insensitivity?  farking Samoa.
 
2013-08-14 06:25:39 PM

skinink: OUTRAGE!!!
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Again, it's a man, they're not as pissed about men having them.

This is 100% "OMG, Women are wearing pants that look like our tribal designs only men are allowed to have in our culture."
 
2013-08-14 06:26:15 PM
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2013-08-14 06:28:30 PM
Are they see-thru?
 
2013-08-14 06:28:39 PM
I think paying 80 bucks for a pair of tights is a bigger problem.
 
2013-08-14 06:29:04 PM
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2013-08-14 06:29:24 PM

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What is your point?
 
2013-08-14 06:30:27 PM
I'm outraged that they are both expensive and ugly.
 
2013-08-14 06:30:40 PM
Makes sense.

"Tribal" tattoos are a form of cultural appropriation. We have no right to pervert the culture of others by taking small pieces of it because it's "cool".
 
2013-08-14 06:31:35 PM

super_grass: Makes sense.

"Tribal" tattoos are a form of cultural appropriation. We have no right to pervert the culture of others by taking small pieces of it because it's "cool".


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2013-08-14 06:32:30 PM
These pants are an outrage to my Scottish ancestors!
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/"Being offended is the natural consequence of leaving one's home." - Fran Liebowitz
 
2013-08-14 06:34:31 PM
Man, those are some angry Samoans.
 
2013-08-14 06:35:37 PM

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2013-08-14 06:41:16 PM
Indirect yoga pants thread?
 
2013-08-14 06:47:41 PM

zulius: Indirect yoga pants thread?


This
 
2013-08-14 06:50:00 PM

zulius: Indirect yoga pants thread?


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2013-08-14 06:59:58 PM
So I suppose that it is now politically correct to point out to anyone with a "tribal tattoo" that it is considered offensive to Samoan culture. "I mean, hey, I don't care one way or another, it's the Samoans who find it offensive... ya racist."
 
2013-08-14 07:05:59 PM

Mock26: Hey, I find horns on Viking helmets to be culturally offensive.


You have every reason to be offended.  The vikings didn't wear horned helmets.  I'm just as outraged as you.  Here is a source:  http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2189/did-vikings-really-wear - horns-on-their-helmets

/met a number of historians when I was in Norway who mentioned this
 
2013-08-14 07:13:41 PM
OK, I'm getting on with it.
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2013-08-14 07:15:36 PM

Ablejack: OK, I'm getting on with it.
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Bout time

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2013-08-14 07:16:03 PM

pinguwin: Mock26: Hey, I find horns on Viking helmets to be culturally offensive.

You have every reason to be offended.  The vikings didn't wear horned helmets.  I'm just as outraged as you.  Here is a source:  http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2189/did-vikings-really-wear - horns-on-their-helmets

/met a number of historians when I was in Norway who mentioned this


Was going to point that out, but you beat me to it.  If I remember, the fault can be laid on Richard Wagner's costume designer.
 
2013-08-14 07:18:57 PM

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2013-08-14 07:24:24 PM
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2013-08-14 07:26:58 PM

super_grass: Makes sense.

"Tribal" tattoos are a form of cultural appropriation. We have no right to pervert the culture of others by taking small pieces of it because it's "cool".


It's way past too late to get offended about that now.

As I write this from a suburb of "Los Angeles."
 
2013-08-14 07:39:59 PM
It's not that it's a "tribal" design, the problem is that they specifically borrowed designs with cultural meaning. I am pretty sure Samoans get pissed if you do a full Samoan style tattoo without the standing to do so as well. The tradition of Samoa is not a dead one, their culture is very much alive, has been continuously, and tattoos have a very real meaning there. Not like here.

It's a bit like if they copied the designs on catholic vestements for yoga pants - I'm sure Catholics would be offended. Put a nice fancy cross right on the crotch and see how people react, go ahead.

I can tell most of you have never lived in the pacific. Partly because none of you have broken out the proper ethnic slurs yet... But in any case, in other parts of the world there are things more sacred than money, and you give them respect if you aren't an asshole.

You can say Samoan culture needs to be more equal between men and women, or less hierarchical, sure, but just appropriating shiat and selling it off is not cultural criticism, it's being an asshole.
 
2013-08-14 07:48:12 PM

adamatari: It's not that it's a "tribal" design, the problem is that they specifically borrowed designs with cultural meaning. I am pretty sure Samoans get pissed if you do a full Samoan style tattoo without the standing to do so as well. The tradition of Samoa is not a dead one, their culture is very much alive, has been continuously, and tattoos have a very real meaning there. Not like here.

It's a bit like if they copied the designs on catholic vestements for yoga pants - I'm sure Catholics would be offended. Put a nice fancy cross right on the crotch and see how people react, go ahead.

I can tell most of you have never lived in the pacific. Partly because none of you have broken out the proper ethnic slurs yet... But in any case, in other parts of the world there are things more sacred than money, and you give them respect if you aren't an asshole.

You can say Samoan culture needs to be more equal between men and women, or less hierarchical, sure, but just appropriating shiat and selling it off is not cultural criticism, it's being an asshole.


I don't know any racial slurs except being called a haole or something as a joke up here in Oregon.

I hear it basically means "cracker" or "gringo"
 
2013-08-14 07:50:35 PM
Its not just the design being commercialized. It's that it's a meaningful design that is inherently attached to coming-of-age and respect aspects of the culture.

The problem arises mostly from the fact that it is worn by people who haven't "earned" it, which is "inappropriate"

The closest equivalent I can think of in western society would be for someone to start making shirts with prestigious military awards sewn into them, and high military rank insignias on the sleeves, and "I served in Iraq" written on the back, and market them to young civilians to look more military.

Most people wouldn't care - but there would be people in that "culture" (i.e. hard-core military families) would say things like "That's a disgrace to all the people that earned those awards/ranks - that actually fought" - upset at the diluting of the symbols.

At least some tattoos in Polynesian cultures (at least in the Maori culture, like the facial mokos) are not chosen by the person themselves. They are "awarded" as signs of respect from their peers. It is essentially a badge that shows you've earned something.  (And yes I know that women get mokos too)

This is another reason why Mike Tyson's tattoo is lame.

My wife is Maori, I'm just a Pakeha (white boy) - but I would respect her ancestors "culture" and not do hakas with beastie-boy lyrics while wearing sharpie-drawn mokos (tattoos) and wearing a lava-lava.
 
2013-08-14 07:52:27 PM
I have no problem with Nike closing down the line.

There are plenty of other designs they can use for their clothing lines. Hell, they're about the only one who can use that Swoosh (r) thing without getting their pants sued off 'em.
 
2013-08-14 08:17:56 PM
Yeeeahhh, Don't piss Samoans off. There are plenty of culturally interesting peoples to steal from who are much less likely to mash your face into pulp.

/kefe fufuna
 
2013-08-14 08:31:28 PM
"I am 100% Samoan and I find Nike's blatant disrespect and profit over my culture's way of life shameless and irreverent."

I'm 100% not Samoan, and I completely don't give even a little bit of a fark.

And the natural balance of the world is maintained.
 
2013-08-14 08:33:57 PM
I wonder if Nike thought about offering the Samoanites all fake girl friends in exchange for their approval on using the tat design??

Of course, a year after introducing the new line, the fake girl friends will all die, but hey, at least the Samoa-gans will have finally known love...
 
2013-08-14 08:36:59 PM
I do not care in the least if someone feels their culture is being exploited.  It's art.  Suck it up.
 
2013-08-14 09:04:31 PM
We should have done the same with Hawaii as we did with Puerto Rico. Except they arent quite as brown, so maybe they could have some voting rights. Still, those savages should be kissing our collective asses they still have a "culture". PR shiat in the pan that they eat from about 4 generations ago.
 
2013-08-14 09:30:48 PM

Cyber_Junk: I do not care in the least if someone feels their culture is being exploited.  It's art commercialism.  Suck it up.


FTFY
 
2013-08-14 09:43:43 PM
They sure make good cookies.
 
2013-08-14 09:53:32 PM

super_grass: Makes sense.

"Tribal" tattoos are a form of cultural appropriation. We have no right to pervert the culture of others by taking small pieces of it because it's "cool".


Says who?
 
2013-08-14 09:54:19 PM
It just looks like a big vulva road map.

Penis goes where?  Oh....
 
2013-08-14 09:57:04 PM
Oofah.

That is all.
 
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