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(Washington Post)   WaPo on Hillary 2016: Let's begin with a working (and provable) premise: Women, if allowed to be fully equal to men, will bring peace to the planet   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 227
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2013-08-14 05:29:03 PM  
Women, if allowed to be fully equal to men, will bring peace to the planet...

through war.


www.thetimes.co.uk
 
2013-08-14 05:43:18 PM  
Well, for 3 out of 4 weeks at least.
 
2013-08-14 05:46:43 PM  
Have you ever fought with a girl? No they will not bring peace to mankind!
 
2013-08-14 05:58:35 PM  
Women would never forget anything the world did wrong.

Remember when England came home drunk 6 months ago? She's still bringing that up.

And that time France got a lap dance at Brazil's bachelor party? Hooo you'll never hear the end of THAT.
 
2013-08-14 06:33:21 PM  
I'd rather get shot at than living a lifetime of passive aggression and constant, repetitive reminders of how I did everything wrong.
 
2013-08-14 06:36:38 PM  
Bullsnot!
 
2013-08-14 06:37:27 PM  
They will never equal men until they are born with a penis -- and vice versa for men being equal to women. Stop the bullshiat already.
 
2013-08-14 06:39:53 PM  
This thread is going to make me need to drink heavily, isn't it?
 
2013-08-14 06:40:48 PM  
Lets just stop it at equality and not let it get too far.

www.startrek.com
 
2013-08-14 06:42:41 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Lets just stop it at equality and not let it get too far.

[www.startrek.com image 320x240]


i.stack.imgur.com
boom!
 
2013-08-14 06:43:17 PM  
Hillary's biggest problem is not that she's a woman, it's that she's too damn old.
 
2013-08-14 06:43:34 PM  
Anyone who has ever managed a group of women in the workplace knows that this claim is total crap.
 
2013-08-14 06:45:02 PM  
 
2013-08-14 06:45:08 PM  
Do people really get paid for writing this stuff of is this just filler pieces to make it seem as if there's some actual content being produced?

Dreck.
 
2013-08-14 06:46:06 PM  
Done in one.

Rest assured, the first several female leaders of major superpowers are probably going to slightly overreact to provocation, just to avoid being accused of being too passive.
 
2013-08-14 06:46:16 PM  

Genevieve Marie: This thread is going to make me need to drink heavily, isn't it?


And that's why we can't have a woman president, all the drinking.
 
2013-08-14 06:46:17 PM  
www.imghut.com
 
2013-08-14 06:46:19 PM  
Scene 1
Kitchen

woman: I am woman! Hear me roar!

unseen voice #1 from ally:  Shut the f@#k up!

unseen voice #2 from living room:  I hear your roar, do you hear my stomach roaring, where's my sammich?

woman: soon.
 
2013-08-14 06:47:19 PM  
farm2.staticflickr.com

Yeah...

She almost pulled it off. If she had just surrounded the Romans and starved them out or burned them out, she would have won. But no...she had to charge straight into an uphill, defended position which was open on only one side.

Women...
 
2013-08-14 06:47:38 PM  
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2013-08-14 06:48:33 PM  
Out of my friends and coworkers, the girls are by FAR the most violent people I know.
 
2013-08-14 06:50:18 PM  
Women, if allowed to be fully equal to men, will bring peace to the planet when not dodging sniper fire.
 
2013-08-14 06:51:38 PM  

Genevieve Marie: This thread is going to make me need to drink heavily, isn't it?


Well, it's off to a migraine-inducing start, that's for sure.
 
2013-08-14 06:51:59 PM  
"Sweetie? Honey? I hate that guy. If you were a real man, you'd kick his ass for me."
 
2013-08-14 06:53:50 PM  

bronyaur1: Anyone who has ever managed a group of women in the workplace knows that this claim is total crap.


Anyone who has dealt with women in the military knows that is crap.
 
2013-08-14 06:55:04 PM  
Well, Hillary Clinton is old enough to not have her ovaries playing Red vs Blue once a month, so I don't see the monthly crisis where we fear Russia will get nuked and us in return.
 
2013-08-14 06:56:47 PM  

Lunchlady: Hillary's biggest problem is not that she's a woman, it's that she's too damn old.


She'd be 68 and three months on Inauguration day, That would make her the second-oldest President, behind Reagan, who was a few days short of 70.  FWIW, McCain would have been 72 and five months on Inauguration Day, 2009.

No opinion.  Just throwing the numbers out there.
 
2013-08-14 07:01:48 PM  
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2013-08-14 07:03:45 PM  

mediablitz: bronyaur1: Anyone who has ever managed a group of women in the workplace knows that this claim is total crap.

Anyone who has dealt with women in the military knows that is crap.


Let me just fix that for everyone.
 
2013-08-14 07:05:34 PM  
Let's give it a shot.

I think she would make a fine president.

However, she'd be 100% overshadowed by her husband's Presidential legacy and every decision she made would be questioned whether or not it came from her or Bill.

Plus there's my real objection: No more American Presidential dynasties.
 
2013-08-14 07:06:08 PM  
After seeing the pain and suffering that 2000 years of male dominance has brought, I'm willing to give it a try. Who needs a sammich?
 
2013-08-14 07:07:22 PM  
does anyone else dig the irony of someone who rode their husband's coattails to power being held up as a model (2nd wave) feminist icon?
 
2013-08-14 07:09:50 PM  

Uzzah: Done in one.

Rest assured, the first several female leaders of major superpowers are probably going to slightly overreact to provocation, just to avoid being accused of being too passive.


Sure, but a world in which women are expected to act like men in order be deemed respectable isn't exactly a world in which they're "fully equal" to men.

The truth is that women, on a very basic level, are much less violence-prone than men. And there is empirical evidence, as TFA points out, linking increased female participation with better societal outcomes. Granted, part of it's probably a correlation/causation thing, as the same socioeconomic indicators that lead to increased participation also leads to other things like lower violence etc., but it's not crazy talk to suggest that the increased influence exerted by the women themselves plays some part.

I will agree though that this likely has much more to do with bottom-up empowerment for women than any particular woman becoming head of state, since the kinds of women who wind up in those positions are likely to be indistinguishable in many ways from the men who had previously been running things.
 
2013-08-14 07:10:10 PM  
Women have been heads of government in other countries, and those countries didn't suddenly break out into peace.  Some women have waged wars in the defense of their country.  Some women have waged wars of aggression.

If Hillary Clinton is elected President of the United States, the United States will wage war during her term - just like under Obama, and under Bush, and under Clinton, and under virtually every other president since FDR.  This is because the United States is a worldwide empire which doesn't shy away from using force to protect its interests, and those who advocate for a contrary policy, such as Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul, are seen as "fringe" and can't make it through a primary.
 
2013-08-14 07:10:38 PM  
You gimme the Football and command of the USMC along with the office and we shall see who is peaceful or not.
 
2013-08-14 07:10:47 PM  

meat0918: Let's give it a shot.

I think she would make a fine president.

However, she'd be 100% overshadowed by her husband's Presidential legacy and every decision she made would be questioned whether or not it came from her or Bill.

Plus there's my real objection: No more American Presidential dynasties.


I think were in a scary spiral of wall-street loving authoritarian militarism...I have every reason to believe Hillary would continue that spiral.
 
2013-08-14 07:11:55 PM  

meat0918: Let's give it a shot.

I think she would make a fine president.

However, she'd be 100% overshadowed by her husband's Presidential legacy and every decision she made would be questioned whether or not it came from her or Bill.

Plus there's my real objection: No more American Presidential dynasties.


What's worse is that this is wanna-be dynasty on her side of the family too - her brother fancies himself as a power broker.

Remember Billy Carter?  Now give him a brain and a law degree.
 
2013-08-14 07:13:02 PM  

eynonmcwanker: meat0918: Let's give it a shot.

I think she would make a fine president.

However, she'd be 100% overshadowed by her husband's Presidential legacy and every decision she made would be questioned whether or not it came from her or Bill.

Plus there's my real objection: No more American Presidential dynasties.

I think were in a scary spiral of wall-street loving authoritarian militarism...I have every reason to believe Hillary would continue that spiral.


I'm fairly certain anyone that gets that close to actually being elected to any federal seat; be it president, senator, or representative; will continue that trajectory.
 
2013-08-14 07:13:13 PM  
There is plenty of scientific support for this.

Studies have shown how womens' rights correlates with reduced poverty and crime, and improved economic results.  Those things, in turn, tend to lead to peace.

So yeah, she is probably right.
 
2013-08-14 07:14:45 PM  
Anybody who has worked in a predominantly female environment will call BS on this working-provable-premise. And never forget that the worst thing that could happen to war prisoners, in the ancient world, was to be handed over to their captor's women.
 
2013-08-14 07:16:49 PM  

meat0918: eynonmcwanker: meat0918: Let's give it a shot.

I think she would make a fine president.

However, she'd be 100% overshadowed by her husband's Presidential legacy and every decision she made would be questioned whether or not it came from her or Bill.

Plus there's my real objection: No more American Presidential dynasties.

I think were in a scary spiral of wall-street loving authoritarian militarism...I have every reason to believe Hillary would continue that spiral.

I'm fairly certain anyone that gets that close to actually being elected to any federal seat; be it president, senator, or representative; will continue that trajectory.


yeah, you're probably right about that.
 
2013-08-14 07:17:36 PM  

impaler: Women, if allowed to be fully equal to men, will bring peace to the planet...

through war.


[www.thetimes.co.uk image 850x478]


Is that a lawn dart sticking out of Thacher's head?
 
2013-08-14 07:18:23 PM  
This article really pushes the line on hate-speech and is about the stupidest thing I've read in a while.

"""Let's begin with a working (and provable) premise: Women, if allowed to be fully equal to men, will bring peace to the planet."""

This is impossible.  People who advocate for 'equality' believe that there's this thing called patriarchy meaning that women are "oppressed in a lot of ways all of the time".  These are people who believe that a pink pen being sold for 75% more than a generic pen is sexism (seriously).  These are people who think that women are the "primary victims of warfare".  If patriarchy was actually a thing, I wouldn't have a problem with this sentiment.  If we were actually worried about equality for women, I wouldn't have a problem with this sentiment.  But because the kind of inequality this author is talking about doesn't exist, and because patriarchy isn't an actual thing, giving women "full equality" will be a disaster.

Before you misunderstand me, I'm not saying women shouldn't be given equality.  I just disagree with what this author and folks like Hillary Clinton think equality means.

I also don't think Hillary is mentally capable of bringing peace to the planet.  She did after all say, "Women have always been the primary victims of war.  Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."  Anyone who so thoroughly views men as disposable, to the point where a man being shot or blown up causes someone else to become a primary victim of his death, probably won't think twice about sending men off to war to die.  Except that she might feel bad for the wives and daughters I guess.  But someone feeling sad is a smaller price to pay than recognizing the permanent death of another human being, so the point stands.

"""One, men have been at it for thousands of years, resulting in millions and millions of corpses. """"

Yup, not to mention that the entire world (including third world nations) are wealthier and wealthier as the days pass, not to mention the amazing technological advances, not to mention that millions of lives saved by innovations in agriculture and so on.  Nope, men bad, women good.  Sweeping generalizations is good.

"""Two, countries where women are most oppressed and abused are also the least stable. """

As a matter of fact, many countries (Afghanistan) become more repressed the more the country destabilizes.  Restrictive gender roles for women (AND MEN) is how a country defends itself from collapse and tries to find some stability in the midst of instability.

Whether it works or not is another story, but correlation and causation and all of that.

"""When women have money, they can feed their families, get health care, educate their children, start businesses and so on. The ripple effect is stronger families, stronger communities and ultimately saner nations. """

I'd argue that America is a strong counterexample of that sanity, but I wouldn't quibble over details.

""""This fact, reinforced by numerous economic studies, has not escaped the attention of corporate America, which is investing heavily to reach women in developing countries. As, put it: "Women are already the most dynamic and fastest-growing economic force in the world today.""""

Corporations are looking to exploit women because women spend the most money.  I don't know if I would get too excited about this just yet, it is likely to have some unpleasant and unintended consequences.

"""Hillary Clinton empowered women as never before with just a few words: " and women's rights are human rights, once and for all.""""

A politician who thinks women suffer the most when a man is brutally killed and who has apparently, with this quote, tried to selfishly appropriate all human rights activism as exclusively benefiting women is going to bring about peace and equality?  The blind ignorant irony of it all is almost overwhelming.

"""But elsewhere, in places where women are tortured, abused, sold into slavery and disfigured, all to the "glory" of men, """

Duh, men are the primary victims of women's torture and abuse.  Idiot.  Men have to see their wives, their mothers, their daughters beaten and killed.  It's a really sad state of affairs for the men.

No matter who runs against Hillary Clinton, no matter how dumb or even crazy they are, I'm voting for them if they have a decent chance of winning.  Assuming she runs of course.
 
2013-08-14 07:19:03 PM  

foo monkey: Lunchlady: Hillary's biggest problem is not that she's a woman, it's that she's too damn old.

She'd be 68 and three months on Inauguration day, That would make her the second-oldest President, behind Reagan, who was a few days short of 70.  FWIW, McCain would have been 72 and five months on Inauguration Day, 2009.

No opinion.  Just throwing the numbers out there.


I didn't really think about it until she collapsed in the last few months of being Secretary of State, I'm sure it would be brought up all the time in the general if she's nominated.
 
2013-08-14 07:20:21 PM  

Rambino: There is plenty of scientific support for this.

Studies have shown how womens' rights correlates with reduced poverty and crime, and improved economic results.  Those things, in turn, tend to lead to peace.

So yeah, she is probably right.


or....does prosperity and stability lead to women's rights? (shrug)
 
2013-08-14 07:22:08 PM  

meat0918: Let's give it a shot.

I think she would make a fine president.

However, she'd be 100% overshadowed by her husband's Presidential legacy and every decision she made would be questioned whether or not it came from her or Bill.

Plus there's my real objection: No more American Presidential dynasties.


That's why I supported Obama. No more dynasties on a federal level.
 
2013-08-14 07:29:01 PM  

eynonmcwanker: Rambino: There is plenty of scientific support for this.

Studies have shown how womens' rights correlates with reduced poverty and crime, and improved economic results.  Those things, in turn, tend to lead to peace.

So yeah, she is probably right.

or....does prosperity and stability lead to women's rights? (shrug)


No, you clearly misunderstood Rambino. Nine out of ten sciency-guys agree, correlation equals causation. Because science. Duh!
 
2013-08-14 07:33:44 PM  

IrishFarmer: Duh, men are the primary victims of women's torture and abuse.  Idiot.  Men have to see their wives, their mothers, their daughters beaten and killed.  It's a really sad state of affairs for the men.


Wow, congratulations for turning an already dumb and misogynistic thread into a bunch of tumblr-worthy MRA vomit.
 
2013-08-14 07:34:52 PM  
"Let's begin with a working (and provable) premise: Women, if allowed to be fully equal to men, will bring peace to the planet. This is not so far-fetched a notion."

I don't think a premise can be both "provable" and "not so far fetched a notion" at the same time.

Hillary Clinton wouldn't be any better or worse than any other POTUS ... except Rand Paul. But if it can't be Paul, it might as well be Clinton.
 
2013-08-14 07:35:20 PM  

meat0918: No more American Presidential dynasties.


Darth_Lukecash: No more dynasties on a federal level.


Just because the last such dynasty turned out to be a total Charlie Foxtrot doesn't mean they always do:

John Adams/John Quincy Adams
Theodore Roosevelt/FDR

I don't have a problem with giving Hillary a chance. Especially if the alternative is, say, Jeb Bush (aka, Charlie Foxtrot II: Electric Boogaloo)
 
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