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2013-08-14 07:34:40 PM  

Dimpts: if you aren't able to pay you most likely will not get a transplant of any kind.  medicare/medicaid recipients will not get a transplant if someone with a blue cross type of insurance is waiting in line.  medications are expensive.  people want their money.


I don't believe that is true. My friend is on the list for 2 lungs and is on Medicaid. Quite frankly, most people are Medicaid-only at that stage in their illness, because of lifetime payout limits or "preexisting condition" disqualifiers. I don't believe that problem is addressed by Obamacare until 2014. My friend said the lifetime limit on his wife's insurance would have tapped out in less than one year's worth of care. I would be surprised to learn that very many people on the list have any coverage other than Medicaid.
 
2013-08-14 07:36:03 PM  

Full Metal Retard: By the way, the Stokes' Doctor is a black guy.


pretty sure he isn't the one making the decision. and those infants have to have infant hearts. they can't have a full sized adult heart. so their availability is limited.
but go ahead and feel discriminated against.
 
2013-08-14 07:36:06 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Karma Chameleon: his history of "non-compliance"

Is that what we're calling being black now?

must be because they never said exactly what his "non compliance" violations were.
matter of fact he just found out he needed a heart from what I saw on our local news.


That's because no one in any official capacity has said why he was initially denied, or why that was changed. This is a pure media event. The sucky blog articles, this long, passionate, bullshiat-laden thread - all about a "story" that consists of nothing but speculation.
 
2013-08-14 07:36:08 PM  
There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.
 
2013-08-14 07:37:38 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: OnlyM3: Quantum Apostrophe
In the meantime, I signed my organ donor card, you??

I had, but this bullshiat has made me decide to reverse that decision.

I hope you're lying for dramatic effect. Don't punish the whole for the actions of the few.


maybe he can reserve it for whites only?
 
2013-08-14 07:37:49 PM  
ITT:  People defending death panels.
 
2013-08-14 07:38:12 PM  

jso2897: I just read the article, and a couple of others. There is no real information on this - the official reasons for the denial and subsequent reversal are confidential, and have not been released.- all we have are the speculations of Anthony's emotionally distraught and marginally educated mom, and those of a bunch of crappy interweb "journalists"
Man, Farkers sure can frorm some firm conclusions based on diddley jack shiat.
Another bullshiat tempest in a teacup.


I'd just like to add in no way shape or form did the family say (at least as far as I read) that he was denied because of his race - they cited his problems with the law and poor school performance as reasons they feel the hospital denied him. It pisses me off that everyone else seems to be assuming they pulled the race card.
 
2013-08-14 07:38:26 PM  

DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.


agreed
 
2013-08-14 07:39:30 PM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: seek3r: HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Anastacya: HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Anastacya: Wow, this is such bullshiat. Mom thinks her precious snowflake is more deserving of a heart transplant than others. The kid is still a minor, which means that Mom is partially responsible for his lack of taking his medications and getting to appointments. Now that he is living on borrowed time, suddenly the importance of all that shiat he didn't do sinks in. Docs say no, she drops the race card, national news, and now someone who didn't care enough about his health several months ago gets bumped ahead of people who followed all of the rules.

Complete and utter bullshiat.

15.

And? An unfortunate fact of life is that there are kids who die from severe health problems everyday. It is no less tragic, but I am sure there are other kids (and their parents) who are struggling with a debilitating and fatal disease but doing everything that they can to live longer and improve their quality of life. It makes no difference whether he is 15 or 25; neither he nor his parents cared enough (or maybe they didn't understand the severity of his situation) to follow medical instructions for his condition. Instead he didn't take his medications and missed doctor's appointments. He is old enough to understand that his actions have consequences.

You sound like a really fun person to be around.     I understand from your profile pictures that you are a very young adult, and so it is probable that you have not yet developed any understanding of childhood development, But this _child_ is 15, and this _child_ deserves a chance to live, regardless of whatever emotional fulfillment you gain from deciding that he and his family are just "those kind of people" who just can't be trusted.   Just so you know, I am a complete stranger, and you don't know me, but the impression that you have left on me today is that you are a small and petty and frankly a pretty shiatty human being.  (Don't worry, there are others in this thread, as well).

Except there are other children, a lot of them, who did make the list because they were compliant - and there aren't enough hearts for everyone.

/something like this decision has to be cold, there is no other way until we can grow enough hearts for everyone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

You should try reading this and start thinking about your opinion again, and why you have it.


Exept I made no moral argument. This kid may well be more deserving than another, but that's a very tough, nearly impossible to quantify call to make. Instead we're left with having to make the decision of how to allocate too few organs to too many patients. It's *is* unfair, and that sucks, but how else would you propose the system work?

The compliance rules exist because they're a way of attempting to see who might take care of the heart the best. Is it always right? Of course not, but again, do you have a better way?

I repeat, there are simply not enough hearts. Your appeal that this kid get one was that he is a child, my response is that there are many children who need a new heart, so that criteria can't ve used by itself. How would *you* propose we decide which children get the needed hearts that the current system doesn't do?
 
2013-08-14 07:39:40 PM  

atomic-age: Dimpts: if you aren't able to pay you most likely will not get a transplant of any kind.  medicare/medicaid recipients will not get a transplant if someone with a blue cross type of insurance is waiting in line.  medications are expensive.  people want their money.

I don't believe that is true. My friend is on the list for 2 lungs and is on Medicaid. Quite frankly, most people are Medicaid-only at that stage in their illness, because of lifetime payout limits or "preexisting condition" disqualifiers. I don't believe that problem is addressed by Obamacare until 2014. My friend said the lifetime limit on his wife's insurance would have tapped out in less than one year's worth of care. I would be surprised to learn that very many people on the list have any coverage other than Medicaid.


There is a special sort of Medicare for transplants. And if u need further assistance there is Medicaid. Finances are not a problem for once--that is, once you are on the list and then post-op. There is even housing available if you cannot afford a place near your transplant center.
 
2013-08-14 07:40:08 PM  

DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.


It's an unpopular opinion, but you are right. Human life trumps superstition, in my book.
But politically, it will be impossible for another century, in America. Too much religion.
 
2013-08-14 07:40:29 PM  

Hobodeluxe: DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.

agreed


Cue all the religious asshats whining that their organs will get them into Heaven, so they must be embalmed and buried in complete format.
 
2013-08-14 07:42:27 PM  

A. Snatchfold: jso2897: I just read the article, and a couple of others. There is no real information on this - the official reasons for the denial and subsequent reversal are confidential, and have not been released.- all we have are the speculations of Anthony's emotionally distraught and marginally educated mom, and those of a bunch of crappy interweb "journalists"
Man, Farkers sure can frorm some firm conclusions based on diddley jack shiat.
Another bullshiat tempest in a teacup.

I'd just like to add in no way shape or form did the family say (at least as far as I read) that he was denied because of his race - they cited his problems with the law and poor school performance as reasons they feel the hospital denied him. It pisses me off that everyone else seems to be assuming they pulled the race card.


Beyond that, they are emotionally stressed, not highly educated, and had little REAL information to share with us.
This whole self-righteous whoop-de-doodle of a blog and thread are based on speculation and confirmation bias and just about f**k-all else.
 
2013-08-14 07:43:40 PM  
And cases like this are why I am not an organ donor anymore. Maybe if they figure out how to remove the sociopolitical pressures the transplant centers are under, then I would consider it again. Leave the decision in the hands of the multidisciplinary healthcare team, not the public, the media, or the politicians. But til then--nope. Every piece of me will go for anthropological research instead.
 
2013-08-14 07:44:30 PM  

atomic-age: Cue all the religious asshats whining that their organs will get them into Heaven, so they must be embalmed and buried in complete format.


It is pretty silly that people think they should have dominion over their own bodies in the first place.  I say we don't wait for death.  Make non-essential organs available for inter vivos transfer in cases of demonstrable need.  Do these people not realize they are part of the collective?  They didn't build that!  Hand it over!
 
2013-08-14 07:45:44 PM  

Warlordtrooper: h2ogate: The guy who is now second in line is thrilled about it.  Oh, wait -- now he's dead.

He was always second in line.  Or did you miss that lesson in kindergarten about how we have to wait in line and not skip ahead.


They don't simply put you on the list and wait.  The next person to get a heart is the most likely to die next and must be a match for the heart being donated.  So, a guy who is in better shape could get his heart before the guy who may only live for a few more days because the heart has to match the patient.

Doctors do know how to make you sicker if that is what it takes to get you up on the list a little faster.  It sounds crazy, but I know a guy who had that done to him so he could get a kidney.

Now I just wonder how long do we have to wait to get the next follow up of this kid dying from the heart being rejected because he didn't take his meds.  I don't want to see it, but I am pessimistic sometimes.
 
2013-08-14 07:48:00 PM  

atomic-age: Hobodeluxe: DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.

agreed

Cue all the religious asshats whining that their organs will get them into Heaven, so they must be embalmed and buried in complete format.


And the propertarians "it's MY body! I have no use for it, but it's MINE, and you can't have it!!!"
And slimiest of all, the lolbertarian concern trolls "Well, of course I'm donating my organs, 'cause I'm too smart to believe in supperstition, but I would NEVER (takes off hat, puts hand on breast, stares meaningfully into distance) take away another person's sacred RIGHT to their own rotting corpse that they need to get into their imaginary alpha ape's eternal night club!"
 
2013-08-14 07:48:19 PM  

lack of warmth: Warlordtrooper: h2ogate: The guy who is now second in line is thrilled about it.  Oh, wait -- now he's dead.

He was always second in line.  Or did you miss that lesson in kindergarten about how we have to wait in line and not skip ahead.

They don't simply put you on the list and wait.  The next person to get a heart is the most likely to die next and must be a match for the heart being donated.  So, a guy who is in better shape could get his heart before the guy who may only live for a few more days because the heart has to match the patient.

Doctors do know how to make you sicker if that is what it takes to get you up on the list a little faster.  It sounds crazy, but I know a guy who had that done to him so he could get a kidney.

Now I just wonder how long do we have to wait to get the next follow up of this kid dying from the heart being rejected because he didn't take his meds.  I don't want to see it, but I am pessimistic sometimes.


We don't know that that will ever happen.

Its one thing to not show up to appointments or skip normal medicine but I'm willing to bet that when the punishment for not taking his meds becomes death he will start to care a great deal about taking them.   Death is a powerful motivator like that.  The fact that skipping a med will literally kill him will probably make him be more responsible.
 
2013-08-14 07:49:26 PM  

Molavian: God damn, that race card is useful.


He's 15 years old. Did you think that little girl who received two sets of lungs she was too small for played the race card too?
 
2013-08-14 07:49:46 PM  
To further expand on my thought, everybody deserves a second chance,  Juvenile shenanigans should not cause somebody to be left to die.
 
2013-08-14 07:50:53 PM  
If Obama had a kid with a fatal heart condition who was a punk and a dirtbag and didn't get shot by Zimmerman he'd look like this one.

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-08-14 07:52:44 PM  

Karma Chameleon: his history of "non-compliance"

Is that what we're calling being black now?


wont go to Dr appointment and wont take his meds let him die
 
2013-08-14 07:53:23 PM  

DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.


I agree
 
2013-08-14 07:53:30 PM  

OscarTamerz: If Obama had a kid with a fatal heart condition who was a punk and a dirtbag and didn't get shot by Zimmerman he'd look like this one.

[thinkprogress.org image 300x226]


Pfft. Boy, this isn't 4chan. Get outta here with that weak shiat.
 
2013-08-14 07:56:03 PM  

DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.


You'd better hope you're not a match for someone who's wealthy.
 
2013-08-14 07:56:57 PM  

Warlordtrooper: lack of warmth: Warlordtrooper: h2ogate: The guy who is now second in line is thrilled about it.  Oh, wait -- now he's dead.

He was always second in line.  Or did you miss that lesson in kindergarten about how we have to wait in line and not skip ahead.

They don't simply put you on the list and wait.  The next person to get a heart is the most likely to die next and must be a match for the heart being donated.  So, a guy who is in better shape could get his heart before the guy who may only live for a few more days because the heart has to match the patient.

Doctors do know how to make you sicker if that is what it takes to get you up on the list a little faster.  It sounds crazy, but I know a guy who had that done to him so he could get a kidney.

Now I just wonder how long do we have to wait to get the next follow up of this kid dying from the heart being rejected because he didn't take his meds.  I don't want to see it, but I am pessimistic sometimes.

We don't know that that will ever happen.

Its one thing to not show up to appointments or skip normal medicine but I'm willing to bet that when the punishment for not taking his meds becomes death he will start to care a great deal about taking them.   Death is a powerful motivator like that.  The fact that skipping a med will literally kill him will probably make him be more responsible.


Don't be so sure. Seen it many times. It is usually not willful noncompliance, but rather a mismatch in what the educator (nurse doctor etc) thought the patient understood and what the patient actually understood and retained: "if you skip this medicine, you will die" sounds crystal clear to us, but to many patients it actually sounds like "I should try to take this most of the time because i might get sick if I skip more than half of them each month" & "keep this appointment because we have to do tests to make sure you are healing and your new heart is working or you will end up very sick in the hospital" sounds like "I should probably come to some of these appointments this year even though I hate having to be on the bus and they won't let me eat cuz they take blood and, man maybe I will just go to this first one and that should be good enough, I mean seriously I hate getting blood drawn."

And then they die and very tragic usually preventable pretty painful and exorbitantly expensive death. Tah dah.
 
2013-08-14 07:58:49 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I do wonder what the difference would have been if he had been a white kid who has a problem doing what he's told and engages routinely in self-destructive behavior.


He would not have been moved to the top of the list, that's the difference. I blame the rodeo clown.
 
2013-08-14 08:00:17 PM  

WTF Indeed: Transplant rank by media whore is a fail-proof system.


It's a failed system when the person, or family, who is providing the harvested organ, doesn't get compensated for the organ.
 
2013-08-14 08:02:35 PM  

skinink: When he's shot though this replacement heart, who will be to blame? Kid you give people waiting for a transplant a bad name.


jeffgoins.myadventures.org

/they were doing duck faces in the 80s?
 
2013-08-14 08:03:03 PM  
Certainly this won't encourage others lower on the list to talk to the media about stuff.
 
2013-08-14 08:03:58 PM  

atomic-age: Dimpts: if you aren't able to pay you most likely will not get a transplant of any kind.  medicare/medicaid recipients will not get a transplant if someone with a blue cross type of insurance is waiting in line.  medications are expensive.  people want their money.

I don't believe that is true. My friend is on the list for 2 lungs and is on Medicaid. Quite frankly, most people are Medicaid-only at that stage in their illness, because of lifetime payout limits or "preexisting condition" disqualifiers. I don't believe that problem is addressed by Obamacare until 2014. My friend said the lifetime limit on his wife's insurance would have tapped out in less than one year's worth of care. I would be surprised to learn that very many people on the list have any coverage other than Medicaid.


This.
I got the long version story of a guy who needed a kidney transplant, and I will tell you most transplants involve Medicaid.  Kidney guy said as soon as the doctors told him he needed the transplant they handed him the forms for Medicaid.  Before he could even get the transplant ball rolling, he had to quit his job and clean out his savings in order to get approved for Medicaid.  Basically no one's insurance is good enough for a transplant.  Part of why it is so expensive is if the donor is living, the transplant cost includes the donor patient as well.  That's months of testing before they perform surgery on both and then recuperation of both patients.

The amazing part for the kidney guy was he got his kidney from a good friend from church who turned out to be a 99% perfect match.  When I heard the story the docs had taken him off all anti-rejection meds because his body couldn't tell it wasn't his.
 
2013-08-14 08:04:32 PM  

Tumunga: Benevolent Misanthrope: I do wonder what the difference would have been if he had been a white kid who has a problem doing what he's told and engages routinely in self-destructive behavior.

He would not have been moved to the top of the list, that's the difference. I blame the rodeo clown.


It is very difficult for some racial groups to get organs because the organs have to match very closely, and some of the chemical pieces that need to match are very rare in people of different races. There are fewer African American hearts available than Caucasian hearts; I believe there are few Asian American hearts too. So it is harder to find those patients a match to begin with. So it is less likely this kid will get a heart than an equally undeserving white kid simply due to the volume of compatible hearts available.
 
2013-08-14 08:06:13 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.

I agree


No, pay the dead person's 1/4 of what the hospital is charging for the operation/care instead of stealing what doesn't belong to you, or spending money to guilt people into checking a box when they renew their license.
 
2013-08-14 08:06:29 PM  

megarian: Wasn't this the kid who won't take his heart meds and won't go to doctors appointments?


That, it was part of a hospital comment covered in a video on another site. Just that that 10 year old twit and the lung transplants, this is a waste and is ensuring the death of others all due to whine and cry from the media. I wish they hadn't caved, this is an exceptionally poor precedent.
 
2013-08-14 08:06:48 PM  
Had an aunt on a transplant list for a while, it tortured her family till she died.  She was a non compliant drinker and every kinda accepted that.  I hate that it seems like media is really getting behind certain stories and shockingly these people are jumping to the tops of lists, I felt terrible about that girl with cystic fibrosis but still am not sure she should have been catapulted to the top and given all the complications she had seems they may have known what they were talking about with her.

would be nice to see the stories and names of all the people the kid just leaped over
 
2013-08-14 08:08:20 PM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: You should read it, too!


So should you. Then maybe you would realize that it has jack-shiat to do with anything they said.
 
2013-08-14 08:14:04 PM  

Warlordtrooper: lack of warmth: Warlordtrooper: h2ogate: The guy who is now second in line is thrilled about it.  Oh, wait -- now he's dead.

He was always second in line.  Or did you miss that lesson in kindergarten about how we have to wait in line and not skip ahead.

They don't simply put you on the list and wait.  The next person to get a heart is the most likely to die next and must be a match for the heart being donated.  So, a guy who is in better shape could get his heart before the guy who may only live for a few more days because the heart has to match the patient.

Doctors do know how to make you sicker if that is what it takes to get you up on the list a little faster.  It sounds crazy, but I know a guy who had that done to him so he could get a kidney.

Now I just wonder how long do we have to wait to get the next follow up of this kid dying from the heart being rejected because he didn't take his meds.  I don't want to see it, but I am pessimistic sometimes.

We don't know that that will ever happen.

Its one thing to not show up to appointments or skip normal medicine but I'm willing to bet that when the punishment for not taking his meds becomes death he will start to care a great deal about taking them.   Death is a powerful motivator like that.  The fact that skipping a med will literally kill him will probably make him be more responsible.



Nope.  That was the last transplant I walked out of at 2008-03-23T0230.  Kid had been in rejection more than once for not taking his meds.  He didn't make it out this time.  He figured going to Palm Springs for the weekend, drinking and partying were more important.  He was in acute rejection right in front of me spiraling the drain and I couldn't get him to cooperate.  Died before we could get him fully cannulated.

I had to write this out that night:

----
I especially don't like having a patient die when they know my name.
I've had many patients die over the years in various stages of
sedated, unconscious, brain dead, etc...  That's easier.

When they're young and talking with you.  When all night all they want
is that drink of water that you can't give them because there is so
little perfusion to their gut because their heart is dying.  You
reassure them, you admonish them.

Intubated, held down, paralyzed, cannulated, EMD, dead.

He knew my name.  He said I was cool with him.  I just spent the last
hour cleaning up the blood.  Trying to make him pretty for the
dysfunctional family he comes from.  He never had a chance really.
But he made it a year.  And he farking knew my name.
-----

Tweens and teens are awful transplant recipients.  That rebellious stage?  It involves their meds too.  That "I'm going to live forever" feeling?  They have it like anyone else.
 
2013-08-14 08:14:11 PM  

jso2897: DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.

It's an unpopular opinion, but you are right. Human life trumps superstition, in my book.
But politically, it will be impossible for another century, in America. Too much religion.


Yep. The Religious will get their panties in a wad.
 
2013-08-14 08:21:57 PM  

Tumunga: brainiac-dumdum: DarkVader: There's no valid reason that this should even be an issue.

Organ donation needs to change.  Plenty of people get killed in car wrecks in this country, there are plenty of organs available.  There shouldn't even be a waiting list.

Change the law.  Take the organs.  The dead people aren't using them any more.  At the very least, make organ donation the default, and if you don't want it to happen, you have to opt out, not opt in.  Stop asking the dead person's family what they want to do, just do it.

I agree

No, pay the dead person's 1/4 of what the hospital is charging for the operation/care instead of stealing what doesn't belong to you, or spending money to guilt people into checking a box when they renew their license.


Can a dead person claim ownership of that which s/he no longer needs?
 
2013-08-14 08:22:05 PM  

Genevieve Marie: he just had his status change so that he became eligible for the list and because his need is so great, he's top of list.

UNOS matching takes into account a lot of factors. Media attention is not one of them.


FIFY you can believe what you want but i choose to believe the media attention gave him a huge hand up. if the initial stories were correct this kid is not a good candidate and some sudden change of heart is bullshiat.
 
2013-08-14 08:26:37 PM  

Curious: Genevieve Marie: he just had his status change so that he became eligible for the list and because his need is so great, he's top of list.

UNOS matching takes into account a lot of factors. Media attention is not one of them.

FIFY you can believe what you want but i choose to believe the media attention gave him a huge hand up. if the initial stories were correct this kid is not a good candidate and some sudden change of heart is bullshiat.



The system can and completely is gamed in different ways.  Repeatedly.  Money is usually the biggest tool.  Witnessed it first hand over and over.
 
2013-08-14 08:35:41 PM  

SenorBenedict: Benevolent Misanthrope: I do wonder what the difference would have been if he had been a white kid who has a problem doing what he's told and engages routinely in self-destructive behavior.

You mean like the pretty white girl who got two pairs of adult lungs despite not qualifying due to her age back in june of this year?


Any stories on the people behind her yet? When one of those people passes away, the lawsuits will be magical.
 
2013-08-14 08:35:49 PM  

iheartscotch: Soooo, he jumped ahead of all the other qualified recipients???

 
2013-08-14 08:37:12 PM  

Vector R: megarian: Wasn't this the kid who won't take his heart meds and won't go to doctors appointments?

That, it was part of a hospital comment covered in a video on another site. Just that that 10 year old twit and the lung transplants, this is a waste and is ensuring the death of others all due to whine and cry from the media. I wish they hadn't caved, this is an exceptionally poor precedent.


How long till the thug stops taking his medicine or gets himself killed with alcohol and drugs? Who can we sue for giving the dipshiat a heart when he clearly didn't care 6 months ago.
 
2013-08-14 08:41:48 PM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: 15


I'm sure there are plenty of children YOUNGER than 15 who know to take their meds and show up to appointments. You really don't have to keep spamming how stupid you are.
 
2013-08-14 08:43:34 PM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: But this _child_ is 15, and this _child_ deserves a chance to live


The _child_ should have taken his medications like all the rest of the _children_ who *actually belong on the list* have done.
 
2013-08-14 08:45:03 PM  

seek3r: HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Anastacya: HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Anastacya: Wow, this is such bullshiat. Mom thinks her precious snowflake is more deserving of a heart transplant than others. The kid is still a minor, which means that Mom is partially responsible for his lack of taking his medications and getting to appointments. Now that he is living on borrowed time, suddenly the importance of all that shiat he didn't do sinks in. Docs say no, she drops the race card, national news, and now someone who didn't care enough about his health several months ago gets bumped ahead of people who followed all of the rules.

Complete and utter bullshiat.

15.

And? An unfortunate fact of life is that there are kids who die from severe health problems everyday. It is no less tragic, but I am sure there are other kids (and their parents) who are struggling with a debilitating and fatal disease but doing everything that they can to live longer and improve their quality of life. It makes no difference whether he is 15 or 25; neither he nor his parents cared enough (or maybe they didn't understand the severity of his situation) to follow medical instructions for his condition. Instead he didn't take his medications and missed doctor's appointments. He is old enough to understand that his actions have consequences.

You sound like a really fun person to be around.     I understand from your profile pictures that you are a very young adult, and so it is probable that you have not yet developed any understanding of childhood development, But this _child_ is 15, and this _child_ deserves a chance to live, regardless of whatever emotional fulfillment you gain from deciding that he and his family are just "those kind of people" who just can't be trusted.   Just so you know, I am a complete stranger, and you don't know me, but the impression that you have left on me today is that you are a small and petty and frankly a pretty shiatty human being.  (Don't worry, there are others in this thread, a ...


It's amazing how all the people who have had their heartstrings tugged by this kid conveniently forget all the rest of the kids that this one has very likely sentenced to death.

/we're not the selfish assholes here
 
2013-08-14 08:49:16 PM  
Farking disgraceful. Stupid kid gets rewarded for breaking all the rules, will waste a heart, and everyone in the country learns a little more that it's not whether you earned something, it's whether you can get on TV when you biatch about not having it.
 
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2013-08-14 08:49:43 PM  
What I don't understand is why no one is bringing up the fact that mandatory organ donation should be the norm so that less people have to literally fear for their lives because they can't get an organ they need (which instead is going to be put in the ground). An opt-out system of organ donation instead of an opt-in could save thousands or more lives every year.
 
2013-08-14 08:49:48 PM  
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