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(The Daily Progress)   You're the HOA board of directors and discover that your treasurer has embezzled $73,000, do you: C) Tell people not to report it to police because it may "lower property values"?   (dailyprogress.com) divider line 73
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2013-08-14 05:40:50 PM
Everything lowers property values in an HOA, even breathing
 
2013-08-14 05:41:28 PM
They should make HOA illegal like selling yourself into slavery.
 
2013-08-14 05:42:54 PM
I can't understand the kinds of idiots that will sacrifice all their personal freedom to live under a dictatorial regime just because there is a fence around your house
 
2013-08-14 05:43:37 PM
This is why you hire a management company.  An HOA should have a board of directors that hires a management company, sets rates, decides on capital investments, and settles disputes.  Nothing else.
 
2013-08-14 05:43:48 PM
Do people see now why HOA's are more harm than good? Or will we be reminded again in a short time?
 
2013-08-14 05:44:25 PM
I'd be suing the board for both allowing this to happen and trying to cover it up.

Wonder how long till we hear about a HOA saying "Don't call the police if you're being raped, it might lower property values."
 
2013-08-14 05:45:24 PM

FrancoFile: decides on capital investments


LOL Whut?

Nope nope nope.

You get the money you need to do what you need to do when we approve it. If you are investing MY money in your ponzi schemes, you have more than you need.
 
2013-08-14 05:45:44 PM
I laugh when I see an HOA tell veterans they can't fly a US flag. It makes the news and they change their illegal* rules each and every time.

Fark em

* Freedom to Display the US Flag act of 2005
 
2013-08-14 05:46:13 PM

FrancoFile: This is why you hire a management company.  An HOA should have a board of directors that hires a management company, sets rates, decides on capital investments, and settles disputes.  Nothing else.


This. But this is a Fark HOA thread.

/have an HOA which does what I consider an appropriate amount of stuff
//they've sent me letters twice in 8 years and both times it was about stuff I was working up the motivation to fix already
 
2013-08-14 05:48:57 PM
You surrender your basic freedoms to an HOA you deserve whatever YOU, your wife and your children get.
 
2013-08-14 05:49:55 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Do people see now why HOA's are more harm than good? Or will we be reminded again in a short time?


Fark could have its own HOA tab. We're reminded daily how bad HOAs are, and STILL there are people who white-knight them.
 
2013-08-14 05:50:16 PM

Shadow Blasko: FrancoFile: decides on capital investments

LOL Whut?

Nope nope nope.

You get the money you need to do what you need to do when we approve it. If you are investing MY money in your ponzi schemes, you have more than you need.


[inigo montoya.jpg]

Capital investment = improvement in the common property, not cash in the stock market.

Members approved the playground fund 2 years ago.  Fund now has enough money to start building.  HOA board of directors reviews bids of contractors and chooses the winning bid.
 
2013-08-14 05:53:28 PM

ThatDarkFellow: I can't understand the kinds of idiots that will sacrifice all their personal freedom to live under a dictatorial regime just because there is a fence around your house


I didn't want to, but the only properties around here that weren't in crack neighborhoods were locked into HOAs.
 
2013-08-14 05:57:59 PM
I like my HOA. They never bother anyone. Once in a while an email is sent around asking for approval for a new fence/playground/etc. We pay $100/year for maintenance of whatever. My neighborhood is very chill.
/ducks for the inevitable Fark hate
 
2013-08-14 06:01:17 PM

ThatDarkFellow: I can't understand the kinds of idiots that will sacrifice all their personal freedom to live under a dictatorial regime just because there is a fence around your house


I don't sacrifice any personal freedom. I don't currently live in a HOA, but the last one I did was entirely reasonable. They essentially ran the pool/tennis court, took care of common areas (ponds, medians) and made sure no one was storing beaters on their lawn and made sure people weren't letting their grass grow a foot long.

Sure, there's very nazi-like HOAs out there but the majority aren't like the ones you read in the news.
 
2013-08-14 06:03:13 PM

FrancoFile: Shadow Blasko: FrancoFile: decides on capital investments

LOL Whut?

Nope nope nope.

You get the money you need to do what you need to do when we approve it. If you are investing MY money in your ponzi schemes, you have more than you need.

[inigo montoya.jpg]

Capital investment = improvement in the common property, not cash in the stock market.

Members approved the playground fund 2 years ago.  Fund now has enough money to start building.  HOA board of directors reviews bids of contractors and chooses the winning bid.


Yeah .. I get that now..

Sorry .. Working... and properly paying more attention to work.
 
2013-08-14 06:06:58 PM
I don't have that GED in Law yet, but they're sending me a coupon.

But, it would seem that when people conspire to hide a crime after the fact, they should share in the time and fine, specially when they have some power over people whose money was taken. Hmmm. Sounds like Banking Rules.
 
2013-08-14 06:07:57 PM

KidneyStone: I laugh when I see an HOA tell veterans they can't fly a US flag. It makes the news and they change their illegal* rules each and every time.

Fark em

* Freedom to Display the US Flag act of 2005


Oh man. HOAs vs. people who think a flag means something. Don't make me choose a side.
 
2013-08-14 06:08:33 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: DarkSoulNoHope: Do people see now why HOA's are more harm than good? Or will we be reminded again in a short time?

Fark could have its own HOA tab. We're reminded daily how bad HOAs are, and STILL there are people who white-knight them.


We already have the Politics tab. All politics are local, and HOAs are quite local politics.
 
2013-08-14 06:14:28 PM
HOA HATE THREAD, HOA HATE THREAD!
 
2013-08-14 06:14:29 PM

DubyaHater: I like my HOA. They never bother anyone. Once in a while an email is sent around asking for approval for a new fence/playground/etc. We pay $100/year for maintenance of whatever. My neighborhood is very chill.
/ducks for the inevitable Fark hate


There are two types of HOA's.  Those that are run by officious asshats and those that will be run by officious asshats.
 
2013-08-14 06:18:39 PM

joness0154: ThatDarkFellow: I can't understand the kinds of idiots that will sacrifice all their personal freedom to live under a dictatorial regime just because there is a fence around your house

I don't sacrifice any personal freedom. I don't currently live in a HOA, but the last one I did was entirely reasonable. They essentially ran the pool/tennis court, took care of common areas (ponds, medians) and made sure no one was storing beaters on their lawn and made sure people weren't letting their grass grow a foot long.

Sure, there's very nazi-like HOAs out there but the majority aren't like the ones you read in the news.


That's what mine is like. They actually don't even care if your lawn is full of vehicles. The only time I remember them ever intervening in someone's business was when a neighbor had several people living in a trailer in their driveway. Basically all they do is mow common areas and maintain the playground equipment.
 
2013-08-14 06:20:16 PM
"In most cases, he added, associations discreetly request the money be reimbursed in full."

And in their usual "gullibility to generate better news" fashion, the reporter failed to ask him exactly how he got that information.
 
2013-08-14 06:28:38 PM
Is there anything in America that hasn't been perverted into a racket? Dog walking? Visiting the park?
 
2013-08-14 06:29:53 PM
The HOA for the condo I owned 15 years ago required everyone get a new garage door every ten years, at the owners expense, from a specified list of doors at prices that were unreasonable at best. This was also notvery clearly defined when buying the house 2 years earlier.When they came to my door and showed me the book I said "No, thank you" and put the place up for sale.
 
2013-08-14 06:44:18 PM
Misprision of a felony is a felony.  Conspiring to commit a felony  or even a misdemeanor is a felony.  The board members are now all felons.  Whoever called the cops on the embezzler should press charges against them as well.  Hope they get  sent up the river along with the embezzler.
 
2013-08-14 06:46:46 PM
I'm not familiar with HOAs, I wonder if most of them are like this
 
2013-08-14 07:01:10 PM

OscarTamerz: Misprision of a felony is a felony.  Conspiring to commit a felony  or even a misdemeanor is a felony.  The board members are now all felons.  Whoever called the cops on the embezzler should press charges against them as well.  Hope they get  sent up the river along with the embezzler.


HOA board then uses HOA funds for legal defense of board members.

If you ever inherit a house subject to an HOA that you want to screw over, list the house for sale at below market value and refuse all offers for a few months. Lower price and repeat. Eventually selling well below market value, which impacts all appraisals in the neighborhood, lowers property vlaues, and makes the neighborhood seem less desirable.
 
2013-08-14 07:02:58 PM
The A in HOA stands for 'assholes'

I am glad that some are here to report that they have chill HOAs, thats cool.  But from what I keep seeing its the exception and not the rule.  Too many busybodies that want to invade into your life, or dictate what you do with your own house. Fark'em.
 
2013-08-14 07:08:17 PM

NoSugarAdded: If you ever inherit a house subject to an HOA that you want to screw over, list the house for sale at below market value and refuse all offers for a few months. Lower price and repeat. Eventually selling well below market value, which impacts all appraisals in the neighborhood, lowers property vlaues, and makes the neighborhood seem less desirable.


Hahahaha that's wonderful. Not many people could swing it, but if you can and are that spiteful...

I'd love to see an article about that.
 
2013-08-14 07:08:33 PM
FTFA: Hollymead's board of directors has not responded to requests for comment since they were contacted last week, but according to Charlottesville attorney J. Lloyd Snook III, the board has acted well within its rights.

We need to clone Groucho Marx to play him in the film version.
 
2013-08-14 07:16:00 PM
"Keep this quiet as it may lower property values"

Ya think? "This HOA is run by embezzlers who will steal your money" is not a strong selling point usually.
 
2013-08-14 07:19:04 PM
This is why you need external auditors.
 
2013-08-14 07:22:51 PM

OscarTamerz: Misprision of a felony is a felony.  Conspiring to commit a felony  or even a misdemeanor is a felony.  The board members are now all felons.  Whoever called the cops on the embezzler should press charges against them as well.  Hope they get  sent up the river along with the embezzler.


Sure, that would be the case if you go by tardmitter's headline, but it's pretty far from the case.

FTFA: The board of directors of the Hollymead Citizens Association informed residents last month that a slew of unauthorized charges had been made to the association's bank account, but told homeowners to keep word of the audit quiet while police investigated the charges and the board continued to seek reimbursement.

So the HOA was actually being fairly responsible here - involving the police and not talking about the ongoing investigation are generally good ways to increase the odds of recovering some of the funds.
 
2013-08-14 07:23:44 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I'd be suing the board for both allowing this to happen and trying to cover it up.

Wonder how long till we hear about a HOA saying "Don't call the police if you're being raped, it might lower property values."


Colleges have been doing this for decades. About time for HOAs.
 
2013-08-14 07:26:40 PM

NoSugarAdded: OscarTamerz: Misprision of a felony is a felony.  Conspiring to commit a felony  or even a misdemeanor is a felony.  The board members are now all felons.  Whoever called the cops on the embezzler should press charges against them as well.  Hope they get  sent up the river along with the embezzler.

HOA board then uses HOA funds for legal defense of board members.

If you ever inherit a house subject to an HOA that you want to screw over, list the house for sale at below market value and refuse all offers for a few months. Lower price and repeat. Eventually selling well below market value, which impacts all appraisals in the neighborhood, lowers property vlaues, and makes the neighborhood seem less desirable.


At the other extreme, if you own two houses in a HOA do you get two votes? With some of the places with dozens of vacant and foreclosed properties someone could buy enough of them to get effective controlling vote in anything. You could introduce all sorts of new rules, or vote to disband the HOA.
 
2013-08-14 07:28:23 PM

Chinchillazilla: joness0154: ThatDarkFellow: I can't understand the kinds of idiots that will sacrifice all their personal freedom to live under a dictatorial regime just because there is a fence around your house

I don't sacrifice any personal freedom. I don't currently live in a HOA, but the last one I did was entirely reasonable. They essentially ran the pool/tennis court, took care of common areas (ponds, medians) and made sure no one was storing beaters on their lawn and made sure people weren't letting their grass grow a foot long.

Sure, there's very nazi-like HOAs out there but the majority aren't like the ones you read in the news.

That's what mine is like. They actually don't even care if your lawn is full of vehicles. The only time I remember them ever intervening in someone's business was when a neighbor had several people living in a trailer in their driveway. Basically all they do is mow common areas and maintain the playground equipment.




Good luck.

State law may give the HOA the right to fine you regardless of a fining process not included in the covenants. Like Florida with FS 720. It just takes one rich asshole to start that ball rolling.
 
2013-08-14 07:31:00 PM

Shadow Blasko: FrancoFile: decides on capital investments

LOL Whut?

Nope nope nope.

You get the money you need to do what you need to do when we approve it. If you are investing MY money in your ponzi schemes, you have more than you need.


A perfect example is a townhouse development saving up for a new roof. You can't just have everyone pony up their portion the year the roof needs replacing: that's unfair to people who recently moved in, not to mention tough for the average tenant to cough up all at once. So the HOA puts the money aside over the years so that when the roof needs doing, the money is hopefully already there. While the money is being accumulated, it obviously needs to be invested so that it can at least keep pace with inflation.
 
2013-08-14 07:40:51 PM
Isn't this a crima

eKonk: OscarTamerz: Misprision of a felony is a felony.  Conspiring to commit a felony  or even a misdemeanor is a felony.  The board members are now all felons.  Whoever called the cops on the embezzler should press charges against them as well.  Hope they get  sent up the river along with the embezzler.

Sure, that would be the case if you go by tardmitter's headline, but it's pretty far from the case.

FTFA: The board of directors of the Hollymead Citizens Association informed residents last month that a slew of unauthorized charges had been made to the association's bank account, but told homeowners to keep word of the audit quiet while police investigated the charges and the board continued to seek reimbursement.

So the HOA was actually being fairly responsible here - involving the police and not talking about the ongoing investigation are generally good ways to increase the odds of recovering some of the funds.


Silencing peoples first amendment rights is not "being responsible"
 
2013-08-14 07:51:33 PM

eKonk: Sure, that would be the case if you go by tardmitter's headline, but it's pretty far from the case. ... So the HOA was actually being fairly responsible here - involving the police and not talking about the ongoing investigation are generally good ways to increase the odds of recovering some of the funds.


I thought about posting that, but TFA is a bit contradictory: it also states that someone said the board did  not call the police, and that police were called by a community member.

So I can't really tell what happened. I can see a few possibilities:

1) Source that said that was wrong. The board was totally responsible about the situation and called the police, but still told people to keep it on the down-low as much as possible.
2) Source that said that was right, but the board had not taken any action at that point, including general notification. The person who called the police was probably a friend (or even spouse) of a board member, and may well have been acting with the blessing of at least that board member. In this case, I would speculate that that member thought that either (1) they wouldn't be able to get support from the full board to notify the police, or that (2) the board's internal investigation was moving too slowly.
3) The board actively tried to hide the investigation, told the general membership, and someone in that population contacted the police (the interpretation favored by subby)

Option 2 is actually consistent with the literal interpretation of the story, in which case you're correct and subby is wrong. But I don't think that there's enough information to say with much confidence which of the above situations occurred.
 
2013-08-14 07:52:46 PM

Warlordtrooper: Silencing peoples first amendment rights is not "being responsible"


They asked people not to discuss the case. There was no mention of them actually doing anything to punish those who might have. That's not illegal or irresponsible, it's asking people to do something. I can ask you to give me five dollars, that doesn't mean I'm robbing you also, there have to be some other factors in play for that to be the case. If there was even a hint from the board that they might punish residents, then yes that's a different story.

That said it sounds like some people are upset but it's not clear about what. One part makes it sound like a homeowner was the first to report it, while another makes it sound like the board already had the police involved, and it's not clear when residents were told either.
 
2013-08-14 07:53:59 PM

Warlordtrooper: Silencing peoples first amendment rights is not "being responsible"


Do you think that telling a friend "psst... wanna know a secret? Promise not to tell anyone?" is silencing their first amendment rights?

Or do you have evidence that the HOA's request was actually more than a request?

/Of course this is even ignoring the question of whether the 1st amendment even applies against HOA actions, which it probably doesn't since they're not really government
 
2013-08-14 08:02:59 PM
HA!! SEE!!! It happens everywhere!

My old neighbors (I moved due to safety reasons and the house being condemned) were known gang members and drug users/dealers from their home.  In a neighborhood of homes which average $800k, mind you.

When I moved into the neighborhood I was told to never report them to the police.  They knew about their underage sex (~25 with 13-15), their heroin (I didn't even know that), their cocaine, their pot, etc.  The reason:  It'll bring down home values.

Once two of them jumped in my backyard and tried getting into my daughter's bedroom, all bets were off and I had to move.

(So many more details I just don't wanna put here)
 
2013-08-14 08:16:07 PM

NoSugarAdded: OscarTamerz: Misprision of a felony is a felony.  Conspiring to commit a felony  or even a misdemeanor is a felony.  The board members are now all felons.  Whoever called the cops on the embezzler should press charges against them as well.  Hope they get  sent up the river along with the embezzler.

HOA board then uses HOA funds for legal defense of board members.

If you ever inherit a house subject to an HOA that you want to screw over, list the house for sale at below market value and refuse all offers for a few months. Lower price and repeat. Eventually selling well below market value, which impacts all appraisals in the neighborhood, lowers property vlaues, and makes the neighborhood seem less desirable.



So I should also take tens of thousands of dollars and burn them up on the kitchen floor as well?

Dumbass.
 
2013-08-14 08:17:14 PM
What is this obsession with their farking property values? Most of these people are going to be dead anyway.
 
2013-08-14 08:17:54 PM
dead soon that is.
 
2013-08-14 08:20:42 PM

Jument: Shadow Blasko: FrancoFile: decides on capital investments

LOL Whut?

Nope nope nope.

You get the money you need to do what you need to do when we approve it. If you are investing MY money in your ponzi schemes, you have more than you need.

A perfect example is a townhouse development saving up for a new roof. You can't just have everyone pony up their portion the year the roof needs replacing: that's unfair to people who recently moved in, not to mention tough for the average tenant to cough up all at once. So the HOA puts the money aside over the years so that when the roof needs doing, the money is hopefully already there. While the money is being accumulated, it obviously needs to be invested so that it can at least keep pace with inflation.



It needs invested in a CD. You understand that, right? And you buy a CD with a maturity that generally corresponds to when you expect to need to replace the roof.  You're not buying into a mutual fund or penny stocks with the money you NEED to fix the roof. You understand that, right?

I asked twice because it seemed like you didn't understand that.
 
2013-08-14 08:52:54 PM

jmr61: Jument: Shadow Blasko: FrancoFile: decides on capital investments

LOL Whut?

Nope nope nope.

You get the money you need to do what you need to do when we approve it. If you are investing MY money in your ponzi schemes, you have more than you need.

A perfect example is a townhouse development saving up for a new roof. You can't just have everyone pony up their portion the year the roof needs replacing: that's unfair to people who recently moved in, not to mention tough for the average tenant to cough up all at once. So the HOA puts the money aside over the years so that when the roof needs doing, the money is hopefully already there. While the money is being accumulated, it obviously needs to be invested so that it can at least keep pace with inflation.


It needs invested in a CD. You understand that, right? And you buy a CD with a maturity that generally corresponds to when you expect to need to replace the roof.  You're not buying into a mutual fund or penny stocks with the money you NEED to fix the roof. You understand that, right?

I asked twice because it seemed like you didn't understand that.


Read my reply above, since I'm the original poster.
 
2013-08-14 09:00:28 PM

joness0154: hey essentially ran the pool/tennis court, took care of common areas (ponds, medians) and made sure no one was storing beaters on their lawn and made sure people weren't letting their grass grow a foot long.


See, this is where the failure comes in, and results in the hate.

Unless they are paying my mortgage or belong to the county or city board of health/safety (and whom I already pay taxes to enforce their rules), I don't need anyone "making me" do anything at any time for any purpose with my motherfarking house, ever.
Grass tall enough to hide rodents = cut it.
Grass 1/16th of an inch over the 4 inch HOA rule = f*ck you.

I keep my sh*t looking right because that's what I want to do, not because of farking "property values" (because I was never STUPID enough to take money out of the house so I could buy a farking boat or other dumb sh*t) and why I will never live in a neighborhood with an HOA. Houses are to live in, and goddammit that's what I'm going to do. I'll be concerned about "property values" when I sell it, and not a minute before.
 
2013-08-14 09:12:41 PM
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What the F Subby? Are you a reporter for them and trying to up hits to bolster your page?
 
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