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2013-08-14 05:39:57 PM  
Don't need them. We've got Charles Barkley

images.darkhorse.com
 
2013-08-14 06:05:12 PM  
Good.

I trust Japan more than damn near any other country.  WWII was (IMO) a bitter sibling rivalry that we both have grown out of.  I say let them amend their constitution and have offensive military capability.  They'll never be a threat to us, and can only be an enormous asset on the world stage.
 
2013-08-14 06:09:22 PM  
I read that as "defund"
 
2013-08-14 06:14:41 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
/yeah, I RTFA
 
2013-08-14 06:19:25 PM  
Good! www.chucksanimeshrine.com
 
2013-08-14 06:22:23 PM  

bbfreak: Good! [www.chucksanimeshrine.com image 850x1133]


We don't need that Japanese shiat. 'Merca has its own.

media.animevice.com
 
2013-08-14 06:24:42 PM  
China will no doubt will take this well.  I am curious to know how South Korea will take it.
 
2013-08-14 06:29:59 PM  
Defensive pacts are cool and all but I usually go all out war and aim for a Domination victory.  Oh, and either I suck at them or Research Agreements suck because they seem pretty useless when I try them.
 
2013-08-14 06:42:14 PM  
Ha! I'd like to see the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor now!
 
2013-08-14 06:43:12 PM  
i forsee awesome avionics.
from sony.
that also play mp3s.
with drm that hacks the foreign power its flying over.
this.
will.
ROCK.
 
2013-08-14 06:45:06 PM  

doyner: Good.

I trust Japan more than damn near any other country.  WWII was (IMO) a bitter sibling rivalry that we both have grown out of.  I say let them amend their constitution and have offensive military capability.  They'll never be a threat to us, and can only be an enormous asset on the world stage.


Came here to say that.  Although Poland gives them a run for their money.

I LOVED it when NATO crews were on the AWACS planes monitoring our airspace after 9/11.

What's the point of having an alliance with someone if it's always one-way?  You can't be both "America -Fark Yeah" and "Damn lazy eurotrash won't carry their own weight" at the same time.
 
2013-08-14 06:49:06 PM  
It looks like America is becoming the weaker of the three major world powers. China and Russia are teaming up, and America is like that arrogant kid who's lost his #1 status.
 
2013-08-14 06:58:19 PM  

netgamer7k: It looks like America is becoming the weaker of the three major world powers. China and Russia are teaming up, and America is like that arrogant kid who's lost his #1 status.


www.jobs-not-wars.org

LOL, wut?
 
2013-08-14 07:02:09 PM  

netgamer7k: It looks like America is becoming the weaker of the three major world powers. China and Russia are teaming up, and America is like that arrogant kid who's lost his #1 status.


Their relations aren't as close as your post suggests.  They are deeply suspicious of each other.  In 2010 Russia conducted a huge military exercise based on the premise of defending the Russian far east against an unnamed military opponent whose capabilities closely matched the PLA.  Russia also does a good deal of business with Vietnam to develop gas/oil in waters China has claimed belong to it and sells it advanced attack submarines.
 
2013-08-14 07:04:22 PM  
Just speaking hypothetically, this is mildly disturbing to 'me' and I imagine it might well be terrifying to the Chinese and Russians.

Japan has long avoided any sort of 'aggressive' approach when it comes to its military due to that aversion to being seen as an aggressor nation again.  They've limited themselves to defensive gestures and efforts only.

But if they're not serious about including 'allies' in that defensive posture, then this would allow them to take on an aggressive approach while staying within that defensive stance mentally and politically.

If they're serious about that change in approach, then this could be a signal to the Chinese and Russians and their allies in the region that Japan can and will aggressively defend American interests while staying true to their defensive posturing.

If nothing else, this might well be a startling development in political circles and an indication that Japan is slowly emerging from that post-WWII defensive-only posture.
 
2013-08-14 07:05:28 PM  

Infernalist: Just speaking hypothetically, this is mildly disturbing to 'me' and I imagine it might well be terrifying to the Chinese and Russians.

Japan has long avoided any sort of 'aggressive' approach when it comes to its military due to that aversion to being seen as an aggressor nation again.  They've limited themselves to defensive gestures and efforts only.

But if they're nowserious about including 'allies' in that defensive posture, then this would allow them to take on an aggressive approach while staying within that defensive stance mentally and politically.

If they're serious about that change in approach, then this could be a signal to the Chinese and Russians and their allies in the region that Japan can and will aggressively defend American interests while staying true to their defensive posturing.

If nothing else, this might well be a startling development in political circles and an indication that Japan is slowly emerging from that post-WWII defensive-only posture.


FTFM
 
2013-08-14 07:05:38 PM  

bbfreak: netgamer7k: It looks like America is becoming the weaker of the three major world powers. China and Russia are teaming up, and America is like that arrogant kid who's lost his #1 status.

[www.jobs-not-wars.org image 605x435]

LOL, wut?


what army is stronger, one with a million dollars in ar15s or one with one million dollars in ak-47s?

Citing the amount of money spent isn't really an argument over strength.
 
2013-08-14 07:08:11 PM  
I'll be 6 feet in the cold cold ground befer I let Tojo start marchin' across the sea again!
 
2013-08-14 07:13:23 PM  
Article 9 means nothing without the political will to enforce it.  Japan is a model for how a thriving first-world nation is compatible with a pacifist foreign policy, and I hope they never go down the road of perpetual war again - too many nations have learned so little from history.
 
2013-08-14 07:18:21 PM  

birdboy2000: Article 9 means nothing without the political will to enforce it.  Japan is a model for how a thriving first-world nation is compatible with a pacifist foreign policy, and I hope they never go down the road of perpetual war again - too many nations have learned so little from history.


Considering their latest flirting with historical revisionism, I imagine the Chinese will be quietly furious/terrified by the concept of a Japan willing to get aggressive to defend its allies.
 
2013-08-14 07:20:56 PM  

birdboy2000: Article 9 means nothing without the political will to enforce it.  Japan is a model for how a thriving first-world nation is compatible with a pacifist foreign policy, and I hope they never go down the road of perpetual war again - too many nations have learned so little from history.


well, history has taught them that might makes right, militarily speaking.

nowadays the needle is point towards economical might but we have a couple years before today becomes a history lesson.

/i agree with you.
 
2013-08-14 07:42:13 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Defensive pacts are cool and all but I usually go all out war and aim for a Domination victory.  Oh, and either I suck at them or Research Agreements suck because they seem pretty useless when I try them.


Are we talking Civ V? You get half the median value of all the techs you can research. So if you have three techs able to be researched when the agreement ends, worth, say, 550 beakers, 10,000 beakers, and 12,000 beakers, you get 5000 beakers. Whereas if you had techs worth 500 beakers, 1000 beakers, and 40,000 beakers, you get 500 beakers. If you plan it right you can get a nice boost, otherwise, yea, you can get screwed.

/oh and Japan and stuff
//I'm on topic!
 
2013-08-14 08:27:55 PM  
Come on Japan, you're ready to assert yourselves. Get on with it.
 
2013-08-14 08:31:16 PM  
They could call it the "Greater East Asia Co-defense Sphere"
 
2013-08-14 08:45:51 PM  
www.history.navy.mil

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget
 
2013-08-14 08:54:29 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget


I guess you're still upset with the Brits for torching the White House too.
 
2013-08-14 08:58:14 PM  
I was thinking more on the lines of this..

stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2013-08-14 09:23:26 PM  
Came for some Japanese hottie pics. As usual, fark is a disappoint.
 
2013-08-14 09:24:50 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Came for some Japanese hottie pics. As usual, fark is a disappoint.


I was going to post some, but somehow I wound up bringing up ganguro girls, which are a boner killer.
 
2013-08-14 09:30:39 PM  
z.mfcdn.net
 
2013-08-14 09:34:28 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget


Pearl Harbor was over 70 years ago. While we shouldn't forget the lessons of the past there are a lot more pressing concerns than Japan wanting to have more military responsibilities.
 
2013-08-14 09:56:37 PM  

hawcian: Soup4Bonnie: Defensive pacts are cool and all but I usually go all out war and aim for a Domination victory.  Oh, and either I suck at them or Research Agreements suck because they seem pretty useless when I try them.

Are we talking Civ V? You get half the median value of all the techs you can research. So if you have three techs able to be researched when the agreement ends, worth, say, 550 beakers, 10,000 beakers, and 12,000 beakers, you get 5000 beakers. Whereas if you had techs worth 500 beakers, 1000 beakers, and 40,000 beakers, you get 500 beakers. If you plan it right you can get a nice boost, otherwise, yea, you can get screwed.

/oh and Japan and stuff
//I'm on topic!


I never used them because I didn't like the idea of helping a potential enemy get ahead of me in tech.
 
2013-08-14 10:06:03 PM  

doyner: StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget

I guess you're still upset with the Brits for torching the White House too.




We have been at their beck and call since the first war.
 
2013-08-14 10:11:42 PM  

doyner: StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget

I guess you're still upset with the Brits for torching the White House too.


The Brits at least aren't treading down the path of historical revisionism like the Japanese have started doing.
 
2013-08-14 10:11:54 PM  

Anenu: StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget

Pearl Harbor was over 70 years ago. While we shouldn't forget the lessons of the past there are a lot more pressing concerns than Japan wanting to have more military responsibilities.


Reminds me of what people were saying between WW1 and WW2 about Germany.

I will admit if we allowed them to completely arm it would be a boon for American companies that will need to outclass what they have.

Like when we sold stinger and F-15 to certain Middle Eastern countries.
 
2013-08-14 10:18:46 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Ha! I'd like to see the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor now!


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-14 10:44:54 PM  
Its a nice thought... But if they plan to defend the US against something we can't handle then they'd better be bringing a giant robot army or something awesome.
A few tanks and ships just won't cut it at that point.
 
2013-08-14 10:53:15 PM  

fusillade762: hawcian: Soup4Bonnie: Defensive pacts are cool and all but I usually go all out war and aim for a Domination victory.  Oh, and either I suck at them or Research Agreements suck because they seem pretty useless when I try them.

Are we talking Civ V? You get half the median value of all the techs you can research. So if you have three techs able to be researched when the agreement ends, worth, say, 550 beakers, 10,000 beakers, and 12,000 beakers, you get 5000 beakers. Whereas if you had techs worth 500 beakers, 1000 beakers, and 40,000 beakers, you get 500 beakers. If you plan it right you can get a nice boost, otherwise, yea, you can get screwed.

/oh and Japan and stuff
//I'm on topic!

I never used them because I didn't like the idea of helping a potential enemy get ahead of me in tech.


If you're ahead of them in the tech race, especially if you've got some of the wonders/policies that give you better results from research agreements, then the agreements actually push you farther ahead than your trade partners.
 
2013-08-14 10:55:58 PM  
It's all fun and games until a few torpedoes sink a few subs and cripple a few carriers.
 
2013-08-14 11:02:19 PM  

bbfreak: netgamer7k: It looks like America is becoming the weaker of the three major world powers. China and Russia are teaming up, and America is like that arrogant kid who's lost his #1 status.

[www.jobs-not-wars.org image 605x435]

LOL, wut?


Some folks won't be happy until the U.S. has the one and only military in the entire freaking world even if it means the economic, social, political, and cultural destruction of the country and have to out-source the military to India. You know, sort of like the Romans did.
 
2013-08-14 11:04:28 PM  

doyner: StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget

I guess you're still upset with the Brits for torching the White House too.


And still all butt hurt about the Albigensians as well.
 
2013-08-14 11:05:46 PM  

netgamer7k: It looks like America is becoming the weaker of the three major world powers. China and Russia are teaming up, and America is like that arrogant kid who's lost his #1 status.


So you outed yourself as an ignorant fool who knows nothing about world military power or geopolitics.  How does that make you feel?
 
2013-08-14 11:08:09 PM  

Ramien: fusillade762: hawcian: Soup4Bonnie: Defensive pacts are cool and all but I usually go all out war and aim for a Domination victory.  Oh, and either I suck at them or Research Agreements suck because they seem pretty useless when I try them.

Are we talking Civ V? You get half the median value of all the techs you can research. So if you have three techs able to be researched when the agreement ends, worth, say, 550 beakers, 10,000 beakers, and 12,000 beakers, you get 5000 beakers. Whereas if you had techs worth 500 beakers, 1000 beakers, and 40,000 beakers, you get 500 beakers. If you plan it right you can get a nice boost, otherwise, yea, you can get screwed.

/oh and Japan and stuff
//I'm on topic!

I never used them because I didn't like the idea of helping a potential enemy get ahead of me in tech.

If you're ahead of them in the tech race, especially if you've got some of the wonders/policies that give you better results from research agreements, then the agreements actually push you farther ahead than your trade partners.


That and sometimes the layout just gives your civ really good financial possibilities, but not a lot of science potential, such as a bunch of luxury resources, but not a lot of jungles or natural wonders.  I find it helps me keep up on science by spending on lots of research agreements.

Then again, I'm not very good at Civ V.  I typically play on difficulty 4 or 5, depending on the map and how frustrated I want to be.  Civ IV on the other hand....

/Gods and Kings is totally worth the $
 
2013-08-14 11:23:11 PM  

NEDM: doyner: StoPPeRmobile: [www.history.navy.mil image 740x620]

/As the war machine keeps turning.
//how quickly we forget

I guess you're still upset with the Brits for torching the White House too.

The Brits at least aren't treading down the path of historical revisionism like the Japanese have started doing.


Dude, I'm one of the first ones to speak up on this site about the historical revisionism by Japanese Ultranationalists, but even I'll admit they're a vocal minority, much like 9/11 truthers and Ron Paul. The most they've managed to do is get a few textbooks changed (Which caused massive, international embarassment and piss off the Chinese and Koreans.)
 
2013-08-14 11:25:39 PM  

Notabunny: Fuggin Bizzy: Ha! I'd like to see the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor now!

[img.photobucket.com image 400x250]


Why is Blutarsky wearing a Star Trek outfit?
 
2013-08-14 11:28:45 PM  
Hark! I hear war drums. Get the fark ready 18-25 year olds.
 
2013-08-14 11:29:02 PM  
Of course Japan will fight for the US, who keeps giving them all that sweet sweet cash?
/until they join some sort of Pacific pact.
//don't assume it can't happen.
 
2013-08-14 11:40:15 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Of course Japan will fight for the US, who keeps giving them all that sweet sweet cash?


What cash? I wasn't aware we gave the Japanese squat other than tsunami relief money.
 
2013-08-14 11:42:22 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Of course Japan will fight for the US, who keeps giving them all that sweet sweet cash?
/until they join some sort of Pacific pact.
//don't assume it can't happen.




That's what I am on about.
 
2013-08-14 11:44:35 PM  

fusillade762: Kurmudgeon: Of course Japan will fight for the US, who keeps giving them all that sweet sweet cash?

What cash? I wasn't aware we gave the Japanese squat other than tsunami relief money.


They need us to buy their goods. As does China.

/ As China's middle class grows, we become less relevant
 
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