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(Bowling Green Daily News)   Natural gas customers to lose service due to rates charged by gas company, so customers petition to have their natural gas rates increased. Well, that makes sense. Wait, what?   (bgdailynews.com) divider line 59
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2013-08-14 08:30:34 PM

limboslam: blast yer scuppers: B-B-B-But there is enough natural gas right here in the USofA  to provide a low cost energy source for 100 years. This can't be right!

B-B-B-But most of it's not being dug up because of good 'ol USofA environmental paranoia.


We dig up gas? Fascinating. Tell us how.
 
2013-08-14 08:50:54 PM

PaLarkin: FrancoFile: PaLarkin: I used to know a guy who had a business installing and repairing heating and refrigeration units.  I asked him once about the difference between propane and natural gas.  He told me that natural gas is delivered to stoves, dryers, heater, etc at one pressure and propane at another.  For each burner in an appliance there's a little piece of metal with a small hole in it that lets through the right amount of gas.  Use the wrong one and the flame will either be too small or way too big.  When converting from one fuel to another, it's just a matter of replacing those little things with the holes in them.  So the expense wouldn't be too high.  I helped him with a couple of installations.  He needed a gopher.  Anyway, the appliances he installed each came with two bags.  One had the parts for natural gas and the other propane.  He opened the right bag, install the parts and connect the appliance to the gas supply.  So the cost of conversion from one gas to another would be a helluva lot less than from gas to electric.

Also there's a 13th amendment issue here.  Involuntary servitude is prohibited except as punishment for a crime.  So the family that owns the gas company would have the right to shut down.  However they may have to fight for it in court because today governments often try to deny people their rights.

if you think the family should be required to run the gas company even if they don't want to, look at it this way.  Suppose the government ordered you to buy the gas company and run it?  You can't afford it.  You have no interest in doing so even if you could afford it.  You wouldn't like being ordered by government to take over the gas company.

Aaaaaaaand this is now an Obamacare thread.

How is this an obamacare thread?  Some people suggested the family should be forced to continue to operate the gas company even if they don't want to.  I simply asked how you would like the government to require you to take it over.  I didn't think I n ...



Relax dude.  It's a joke.

The primary constitutional argument against Obamacare is that the government doesn't have the power to force someone into a commercial activity.  See the similarities with what you posted?
 
2013-08-14 09:42:53 PM

MarkEC: WhoopAssWayne: Inflatable Rhetoric: They could get a tank and connect it to the feed line that is now used for gas.  Not a lot of conversion.

Each appliance has to have a conversion kit though I'm unsure what it does - every one in my home has one. I just don't understand why they are saying it's that expensive. The conversion kit cost wasn't a factor when I bought my appliances that I can remember.

Converting from natural gas to propane requires new orifices and air inlets. It should only be done by people qualified to do it. It's not costly when you buy an appliance because it's factory installed, or assembled pre-sale. The majority of the cost to convert existing appliances is having a plumber come in and install any kits needed.


No, the last time I bought a gas-fired appliance (stove) the parts came in separate bags with instructions for the buyer to install whichever he needed, NG or LP. It's really simple to do.
 
2013-08-14 10:01:28 PM

Frantic Freddie: MarkEC: WhoopAssWayne: Inflatable Rhetoric: They could get a tank and connect it to the feed line that is now used for gas.  Not a lot of conversion.

Each appliance has to have a conversion kit though I'm unsure what it does - every one in my home has one. I just don't understand why they are saying it's that expensive. The conversion kit cost wasn't a factor when I bought my appliances that I can remember.

Converting from natural gas to propane requires new orifices and air inlets. It should only be done by people qualified to do it. It's not costly when you buy an appliance because it's factory installed, or assembled pre-sale. The majority of the cost to convert existing appliances is having a plumber come in and install any kits needed.

No, the last time I bought a gas-fired appliance (stove) the parts came in separate bags with instructions for the buyer to install whichever he needed, NG or LP. It's really simple to do.


Yes it's simple to do if you have some technical ability. The average non-tech customer shouldn't try to do it themselves.
 
2013-08-14 10:38:42 PM

MarkEC: Yes it's simple to do if you have some technical ability. The average non-tech customer shouldn't try to do it themselves.


Yes, don't disagree, but the guys who put in my propane lines used the crimp-type fittings. Never sweated a pipe.

OMFG PROPANE.

I think you sweat those pipes, make them work, do a good job.
 
2013-08-15 01:22:04 AM

Hyjamon: sweet-daddy-2: We were paying a $12.50 fee every month of the year for " service " even though we ran the furnace two, maybe three months max. Screw them! I cancelled the service and told everyone to put on more clothes.
We get along just fine without the gas company screwing us twelve months a year. The electric provider on the other hand, well let me put it this way. The money I save on gas is used to buy Vaseline.

I would like to better understand 'service' fees as well.  I use gas for two things in my dwelling..heat and a tank-less hot water heater.

Outside of winter I use 1-2 therms a month (0.62 a therm) but my bill will still be 30-35 due to "service fees".  During the winter I use more since the furnace runs on gas.  Just feel robbed from April until November.


I only get charged a service fee for gas in the winter, there isn't one in the summer even though I use it for cooking all year.

Of course, my utilities are provided by a government agency, they're not legally allowed to make a profit and so my rates are some of the lowest in the country for gas and electricity.  Socialism works, capitalism fails again.
 
2013-08-15 01:28:28 AM

MarkEC: Frantic Freddie: MarkEC: WhoopAssWayne: Inflatable Rhetoric: They could get a tank and connect it to the feed line that is now used for gas.  Not a lot of conversion.

Each appliance has to have a conversion kit though I'm unsure what it does - every one in my home has one. I just don't understand why they are saying it's that expensive. The conversion kit cost wasn't a factor when I bought my appliances that I can remember.

Converting from natural gas to propane requires new orifices and air inlets. It should only be done by people qualified to do it. It's not costly when you buy an appliance because it's factory installed, or assembled pre-sale. The majority of the cost to convert existing appliances is having a plumber come in and install any kits needed.

No, the last time I bought a gas-fired appliance (stove) the parts came in separate bags with instructions for the buyer to install whichever he needed, NG or LP. It's really simple to do.

Yes it's simple to do if you have some technical ability. The average non-tech customer shouldn't try to do it themselves.


Yes, I suppose if you're too stupid to operate a wrench, it might be difficult for you.

Otherwise, as long as you can get the parts for your appliance, it's not hard.

I don't suppose I'd recommend most people do what I did with my stove, though.  There's one burner that's supposed to be more powerful than the other three.  It was still much too wimpy.  I took the oven jet from the propane kit and put that on it - better, but still not good enough.  So I pulled it and drilled it out a bit.  It's much better now.
 
2013-08-15 01:44:09 AM

DarkVader: Of course, my utilities are provided by a government agency, they're not legally allowed to make a profit and so my rates are some of the lowest in the country for gas and electricity. Socialism works, capitalism fails again.


I'm a libertarian and believe that you can do the same with a perfectly legal in my head cooperative for utilities.

Every Coop I've utilized has been great compared to the commercial companies.

DarkVader: I don't suppose I'd recommend most people do what I did with my stove, though. There's one burner that's supposed to be more powerful than the other three. It was still much too wimpy. I took the oven jet from the propane kit and put that on it - better, but still not good enough. So I pulled it and drilled it out a bit. It's much better now.


No, I wouldn't recommend doing that either.
 
2013-08-15 11:44:12 AM

mama2tnt: sweet-daddy-2: We were paying a $12.50 fee every month of the year for " service " even though we ran the furnace two, maybe three months max. Screw them! I cancelled the service and told everyone to put on more clothes.
We get along just fine without the gas company screwing us twelve months a year. The electric provider on the other hand, well let me put it this way. The money I save on gas is used to buy Vaseline.

After the only electric company here in town raised its rates a few years ago, everyone started to conserve - and so the electric company had to raise its rates again to make up for the money it had wanted in the first place and now wasn't getting.

/Thought conservation was good.
//I remember the oil embargo. Get off my lawn!


You mean when gasoline jumped to 50 cents a gallon? Yep, I was about 21 or22 then.
I remember when gas wars brought the price down to around 15 cents. Even though you're a young whipper-snapper you can park on my lawn any old time.
 
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