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2013-08-14 07:15:36 PM

Shame Us: Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.


Yawn.
 
2013-08-14 07:16:06 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Shame Us: Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

Yawn.


Exactly.
 
2013-08-14 07:44:37 PM

Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.


"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!  Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."
 
2013-08-14 07:53:14 PM
Whar preseason Jake? Whar?
 
2013-08-14 07:57:35 PM

Dafatone: Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!  Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."



The Seahawks and Niners are both very nice and both equally capable of losing to Denver in February.
 
2013-08-14 08:04:08 PM

IAmRight: I will say that the part where he said "as soon as you see Ryan Mathews get tackled, you assume he's injured" is very true.


What play was he talking about? The one where Fluker and Clarey got enough push for Mathews to get nine yards on fourth and inches?

And if that's the best Seattle's first team defense could do the Niners fans in here should be excited.
 
2013-08-14 08:13:02 PM

Dafatone: Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!   Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."


Ok, let's go back further. Joe Montana was a great QB, as was Steve Young. And the Niners beat the Chargers and Stan Humphries soundly in their last title win, when I was 10. Congratulations to them, from the bottom of my heart. As a Seahawks fan, I'd much rather have our last title be one that's graduated HS by now than none at all.

Since that title (18 seasons, hardly a small sample size), they're 150-137-1 (.521) with one SB appearance, 8 playoff appearances and a 7-8 playoff record. If we "only" do the last 15 years, the numbers are 114-125-1 (.475) with 1 SB appearance, 5 playoff appearances and a 5-5 playoff record. All pretty respectable.

In that same period, the Seahawks are 147-141 (.510) with 1 SB appearance, 8 playoff appearances and a 6-8 playoff record (awfully similar, huh?). "Only" the last 15 years? 124-116 (.517) with 1 SB appearance, 8 playoff appearances and a 6-8 playoff record (wait, that sounds like it's better than the 49ers).

If you want to ride the successes of over 18 years ago, the Niners win, but in those last 18 years? They're basically the Seahawks...except their successes are even further behind them, with 3 of their 8 playoff appearances occurring over 15 years ago. The niners hold superiority over less than half the league over the last 15 years...less even than the Seahawks. But they should have fun taking in those trophies for restoration.
 
2013-08-14 08:15:19 PM

Wadded Beef: Dafatone: Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!  Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."


The Seahawks and Niners are both very nice and both equally capable of losing to Denver in February.


If you guys can get by Joe Flacco.
 
2013-08-14 08:27:20 PM
NINERS RULE SEAHAWKS FANS SUCK BWAHAHAHA!

\amidoingitright?
\\grafs
 
2013-08-14 08:53:25 PM

JayCab: You mean it took two whole posts for a Seahawks fan to whine about their being disrespected and having the entire league against them?

You guys are slacking. You need to pay more attention... maybe consider some medications that would help with that.


Sigh...can't wait till that Thursday for the smack talk to begin in earnest....
 
2013-08-14 08:59:11 PM

SenorBenedict: PowerSlacker: If you care about preseason rankings, you need to DIAF.

Look what else is there to talk about sports wise in August?


Pennant Chase, the new EPL season, CFB (a pox on their house), Track and Field World Champsionships...just to name a few
 
2013-08-14 09:00:33 PM

fatalvenom: SenorBenedict: PowerSlacker: If you care about preseason rankings, you need to DIAF.

Look what else is there to talk about sports wise in August?

The NHL is getting closer...

::runs, ducks out of thread::


Can hear the clanging of vodak bottles as we speak...
 
2013-08-14 09:00:44 PM

davidphogan: IAmRight: I will say that the part where he said "as soon as you see Ryan Mathews get tackled, you assume he's injured" is very true.

What play was he talking about? The one where Fluker and Clarey got enough push for Mathews to get nine yards on fourth and inches?

And if that's the best Seattle's first team defense could do the Niners fans in here should be excited.


I know we're rebuilding, but the fact that we could hold Seattle's first team to a big fat farking 0 warmed my heart.

And the fact that DJ Fluker road graded the fark through the Seattle's first team DL warmed my heart even further.

/GO BOLTS
 
2013-08-14 09:05:01 PM

Shame Us: If you want to ride the successes of over 18 years ago, the Niners win, but in those last 18 years?


Speaking for myself, I'm not trying to "ride" anything. I'm happy that the 49ers are good again, and I'm just as happy that there's someone in the division to compete with the team. I'd love to have a proper west coast rivalry going again since there hasn't been a proper geographic rival for the 49ers in-division since the Rams left L.A. I have nothing bad to say about the Seahawks (other than the occasional bashing as to be expected).I'd love to see the Seahawks and Niners face off in the NFC Championship game every year, because it would be awesome and because the last time the 49ers had such a conference rivalry it was with Dallas and, well, fark the Cowboys.

What gets me annoyed about it all, though, are the Seahawks fans that see conspiracy, slight, and offense in every topic. The fans that think that being moderately decent for a decade makes them a special team. Guess what? You're still not doing any better than a perennially mediocre team like Dallas, and remember: fark the Cowboys.

I mainly want to see a respectful, awesome rivalry between the 49ers and Seahawks. We're San Francisco and Seattle, dammit, not Boston and New York! Act like you've been there before, Seahawks fans, let us all cheer our respective teams, give ribbing where required, and unite in our rightful, common hatred of that team in Texas.

Because seriously: fark the Cowboys.

/And the Raiders, too.
 
2013-08-14 09:22:25 PM
LOL Vikings at 11.
 
2013-08-14 09:28:47 PM

oh_please: davidphogan: IAmRight: I will say that the part where he said "as soon as you see Ryan Mathews get tackled, you assume he's injured" is very true.

What play was he talking about? The one where Fluker and Clarey got enough push for Mathews to get nine yards on fourth and inches?

And if that's the best Seattle's first team defense could do the Niners fans in here should be excited.

I know we're rebuilding, but the fact that we could hold Seattle's first team to a big fat farking 0 warmed my heart.

And the fact that DJ Fluker road graded the fark through the Seattle's first team DL warmed my heart even further.

/GO BOLTS


I Agree 100%. I love the McCoy style of practice and playcalling. The Erhart-Perkins offense seems perfect for a Rivers type, and the high speed practices make me wonder if they're going no huddle this year.

The offensive line is a lot better, the WRs even without DX looks good (I'm a fan of DePalma and Luke Tasker), Woodhead and Phillips should be nice additions, and the defense looked solid last year and better on paper this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers, Broncos and Chiefs are all contenders this year.
 
2013-08-14 09:29:06 PM

Shame Us: Wadded Beef: Dafatone: Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!  Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."


The Seahawks and Niners are both very nice and both equally capable of losing to Denver in February.

If you guys can get by Joe Flacco.



Not a problem.
 
2013-08-14 09:36:07 PM

jackiepaper: The Niners are very good. The Seahawks are very good too. In fact, those two are the best teams in the NFC (if not NFL). The Niners are probably slightly better. It's going to be fun watching them play.

/enough of the back and forth, kids
//But then again, damn are Hawks fans touchy and uppity.


I think you're overlooking Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, the Rams and Cards defense being better than last year AND get better offenses, plus Breezus and don't count out the NFC Least yearly kerfluffle of 3teamtiegoingintoweek17everyyear.
 
2013-08-14 09:51:11 PM

davidphogan: I'm a fan of DePalma


Me, too. If he doesn't make the team, I have no idea why...he just makes plays. And Sorensen has to be #2 ahead of Clipboard Jesus.
 
2013-08-14 09:58:27 PM

PowerSlacker: SenorBenedict: PowerSlacker: If you care about preseason rankings, you need to DIAF.

Look what else is there to talk about sports wise in August?

Nothing.  It's the worst sports month of the year.


July would like a word.  Nothing but Baseball.  Barf.
 
2013-08-14 10:04:56 PM

mikaloyd: Whar preseason Jake? Whar?


Sanchize deserves it for that stupid taint
 
2013-08-14 10:07:27 PM

Wadded Beef: Shame Us: Wadded Beef: Dafatone: Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!  Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."


The Seahawks and Niners are both very nice and both equally capable of losing to Denver in February.

If you guys can get by Joe Flacco.


Not a problem.


Serious.  We got Dookie Nachos covering the back now.  Look out biatches.
 
2013-08-14 10:13:54 PM

davidphogan: oh_please: davidphogan: IAmRight: I will say that the part where he said "as soon as you see Ryan Mathews get tackled, you assume he's injured" is very true.

What play was he talking about? The one where Fluker and Clarey got enough push for Mathews to get nine yards on fourth and inches?

And if that's the best Seattle's first team defense could do the Niners fans in here should be excited.

I know we're rebuilding, but the fact that we could hold Seattle's first team to a big fat farking 0 warmed my heart.

And the fact that DJ Fluker road graded the fark through the Seattle's first team DL warmed my heart even further.

/GO BOLTS

I Agree 100%. I love the McCoy style of practice and playcalling. The Erhart-Perkins offense seems perfect for a Rivers type, and the high speed practices make me wonder if they're going no huddle this year.

The offensive line is a lot better, the WRs even without DX looks good (I'm a fan of DePalma and Luke Tasker), Woodhead and Phillips should be nice additions, and the defense looked solid last year and better on paper this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers, Broncos and Chiefs are all contenders this year.


Blind optimism this completely baseless is absolutely adorable.
 
2013-08-14 10:30:18 PM

elguerodiablo: Blind optimism this completely baseless is absolutely adorable.


Oh, sure, it's time of the season!

Read this article about DJ Fluker, and if it doesn't get a little dusty, you just suck.
 
2013-08-14 11:06:37 PM

rickythepenguin: uhh......what?


Dallas is for sure a really good team "on paper", they have been for a few years. They just don't execute.
 
2013-08-14 11:24:33 PM

TheJoe03: rickythepenguin: uhh......what?

Dallas is for sure a really good team "on paper", they have been for a few years. They just don't execute.


Over at least the past five years Dallas has been the team that, more than any other, always looks great, seems to have all the pieces together, and then when they hit the field it just somehow falls apart.
 
2013-08-14 11:49:02 PM

spiderpaz: ...(trolling)...


BFD. Narrowly lost the SB or not, they were still a loser, like 30 other NFL teams last year.

Let's not forget what they did to your Whiners in the last game. Prepare for more of the same. Of course, the bulk of SF is used to taking it up the ass, so I imagine everyone there is already prepared.
 
2013-08-14 11:51:37 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Of course, the bulk of SF is used to taking it up the ass, so I imagine everyone there is already prepared.


Well it's the Santa Clara 49ers now, so less gay and more boring, suburban, and Asian.
 
2013-08-15 12:18:06 AM
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the top 12 are last year's playoff teams.  That makes some sense at least.

/just food for thought
// for those who are shocked about certain teams up that high, or others being excluded
 
2013-08-15 01:34:16 AM
Graphs!  Graphs!  Graphs!  Graphs!

/I know it's too soon
 
2013-08-15 02:24:45 AM
Chargers fans are aware that a) that wasn't our first team offense, and b) the offense tends to take a while to get warmed up, right? Not to mention all the calls that extended your drives. I wouldn't get too excited.

/and I like the Chargers, having lived there four years and with them having won my first big futures bet
 
2013-08-15 03:17:50 AM

Shame Us: Dafatone: Shame Us: Why Would I Read the Article: SenorBenedict: Son do you know what cherry picking is? Because selecting a consecutive 15 year span usually does not apply.

The inferiority complex that Seahawks fans have towards the Niners rivals the one the RedSox had of the Yankees from 1918-2004. It's completely understandable of course, given that the Seahawks franchise has never been worth a single god damn thing, ever, and the Niners are on any short list for the pre-eminent franchise in the history of the NFL. But it's still annoying.

Niner fans seem to have a totally undeserved sense that their team, which has no title in nearly 20 years and has been outclassed by the Seahawks since they joined the division 11 seasons ago, is superior to the rest of the NFL.

"The nothing we've achieved is so much better than the nothing that you've achieved!   Except all those achievements we're ignoring that came before."

Ok, let's go back further. Joe Montana was a great QB, as was Steve Young. And the Niners beat the Chargers and Stan Humphries soundly in their last title win, when I was 10. Congratulations to them, from the bottom of my heart. As a Seahawks fan, I'd much rather have our last title be one that's graduated HS by now than none at all.

Since that title (18 seasons, hardly a small sample size), they're 150-137-1 (.521) with one SB appearance, 8 playoff appearances and a 7-8 playoff record. If we "only" do the last 15 years, the numbers are 114-125-1 (.475) with 1 SB appearance, 5 playoff appearances and a 5-5 playoff record. All pretty respectable.

In that same period, the Seahawks are 147-141 (.510) with 1 SB appearance, 8 playoff appearances and a 6-8 playoff record (awfully similar, huh?). "Only" the last 15 years? 124-116 (.517) with 1 SB appearance, 8 playoff appearances and a 6-8 playoff record (wait, that sounds like it's better than the 49ers).

If you want to ride the successes of over 18 years ago, the Niners win, but in those last 18 years? ...


So what you're saying is, the nothing you've achieved is so much better than the nothing we've achieved?
 
2013-08-15 07:31:35 AM
bengals #6? That's some fail right there
 
2013-08-15 09:54:12 AM

abhorrent1: bengals #6? That's some fail right there



Care to elaborate?  Because I see a team that's been to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years, with a solid D, a good QB-> receiver combo, a strong RB with a promising backup, a healthy o-Line for the first time in years (though we'll see how long that lasts).

What's your counter?  Arrests that happened 10 years ago? Players who are no longer with the team?
 
2013-08-15 10:14:47 AM

stappawho: spiderpaz: Shame Us: Record since Seahawks joined NFC West:

SF - 80-95-1 - 3 playoff appearances, 4-3 playoff record, 1 SB
SEA - 92-84 - 7 playoff appearances, 6-7 playoff record, 1 SB

Who's the little brother?

That's cute, SEA fans are trying to take credit for the 49ers spending 15 years rebuilding rather than all of the other obvious REAL factors that caused it.  If we're going to cherry pick statistics, let's just look at the last 2 years why don't we.

So, you are saying that when the two teams joined the same division is not a good point to start a comparison?  You know, when they play each other two times a year.

We could extend back to when competent ownership purchased the Seahawks.


Then why didn't you just site the head to head record between the two team?  Honestly the Rams have been more trouble for the 9ers than the hawks over the last 15 years.  And it's highly coincidental that you pick a time frame that overlaps the 49er franchises decline exactly - which had nothing to do with the shehawks joining the conference.  You didn't pick overall record.  You didn't pick the last 2 years.  You ignored those and picked the only time range that would support the point (was there one really?) you were trying to make:  THAT is cherry picking.

[bears repeating.jpg]
Niners: Division title last two years
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while

Niners: Went to NFC Championship both of the last 2 seasons.
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while.

Niners: Went to Super Bowl last year, narrowly lost.
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while.

Niners: Won five of last six head-to-head games.
Hawks: Won one of last six head-to-head games.

Niners: 9 players elected by NFL players to top 100
Hawks: 5 players elected by NFL players to top 100

Niners: Fans celebrate substance of repeated trips deep into post-season.
Hawks: Fans make a lot of noise.
 
2013-08-15 10:27:17 AM
At Eastern Motors
Your job's your credit.
 
2013-08-15 11:04:54 AM

davidphogan: IAmRight: I will say that the part where he said "as soon as you see Ryan Mathews get tackled, you assume he's injured" is very true.

What play was he talking about? The one where Fluker and Clarey got enough push for Mathews to get nine yards on fourth and inches?

And if that's the best Seattle's first team defense could do the Niners fans in here should be excited.


That was the worst Seattle's first team defense (minus 4 starters) could do.
 
2013-08-15 12:10:25 PM

spiderpaz: stappawho: spiderpaz: Shame Us: Record since Seahawks joined NFC West:

SF - 80-95-1 - 3 playoff appearances, 4-3 playoff record, 1 SB
SEA - 92-84 - 7 playoff appearances, 6-7 playoff record, 1 SB

Who's the little brother?

That's cute, SEA fans are trying to take credit for the 49ers spending 15 years rebuilding rather than all of the other obvious REAL factors that caused it.  If we're going to cherry pick statistics, let's just look at the last 2 years why don't we.

So, you are saying that when the two teams joined the same division is not a good point to start a comparison?  You know, when they play each other two times a year.

We could extend back to when competent ownership purchased the Seahawks.

Then why didn't you just site the head to head record between the two team?  Honestly the Rams have been more trouble for the 9ers than the hawks over the last 15 years.  And it's highly coincidental that you pick a time frame that overlaps the 49er franchises decline exactly - which had nothing to do with the shehawks joining the conference.  You didn't pick overall record.  You didn't pick the last 2 years.  You ignored those and picked the only time range that would support the point (was there one really?) you were trying to make:  THAT is cherry picking.

[bears repeating.jpg]
Niners: Division title last two years
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while

Niners: Went to NFC Championship both of the last 2 seasons.
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while.

Niners: Went to Super Bowl last year, narrowly lost.
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while.

Niners: Won five of last six head-to-head games.
Hawks: Won one of last six head-to-head games.

Niners: 9 players elected by NFL players to top 100
Hawks: 5 players elected by NFL players to top 100

Niners: Fans celebrate substance of repeated trips deep into post-season.
Hawks: Fans make a lot of noise.


The last 2 years are included in the last 11/15/18 years which I pointed out above and you ignored. Overall head-to-head record? 14-14, after last season. Are you happy now?

When the "decline" of your team lasts over a decade...you're just not that good of a team.
 
2013-08-15 01:03:19 PM

Dafatone: So what you're saying is, the nothing you've achieved is so much better than the nothing we've achieved?


What I'm saying is the 49ers have nothing to flex on except stuff that happened back before the teams were in the same division, so calm down with this "oh you're like annoying little brothers" crap. (Not you specifically, other 49ers fans).

I haven't verified, but they're 14-14 against each other in history, they were 1-1 last year, they both have an entirety of one Super Bowl loss since becoming division opponents...they were by and large the same damn team last year and they probably will be again this year.

My only issue with the 49ers is that, because they were good 20 years ago, they have a bigger fanbase and therefore get the hookup with scheduling.
 
2013-08-15 01:24:12 PM

IAmRight: Dafatone: So what you're saying is, the nothing you've achieved is so much better than the nothing we've achieved?

What I'm saying is the 49ers have nothing to flex on except stuff that happened back before the teams were in the same division, so calm down with this "oh you're like annoying little brothers" crap. (Not you specifically, other 49ers fans).

I haven't verified, but they're 14-14 against each other in history, they were 1-1 last year, they both have an entirety of one Super Bowl loss since becoming division opponents...they were by and large the same damn team last year and they probably will be again this year.

My only issue with the 49ers is that, because they were good 20 years ago, they have a bigger fanbase and therefore get the hookup with scheduling.


Do you have the same problem with the Cowboys, Packers, Steelers?  Also - the Niners were good 20 years ago, but they also are good right now ... by most accounts better than any other team currently.
 
2013-08-15 01:34:29 PM

IAmRight: Dafatone: So what you're saying is, the nothing you've achieved is so much better than the nothing we've achieved?

What I'm saying is the 49ers have nothing to flex on except stuff that happened back before the teams were in the same division, so calm down with this "oh you're like annoying little brothers" crap. (Not you specifically, other 49ers fans).

I haven't verified, but they're 14-14 against each other in history, they were 1-1 last year, they both have an entirety of one Super Bowl loss since becoming division opponents...they were by and large the same damn team last year and they probably will be again this year.

My only issue with the 49ers is that, because they were good 20 years ago, they have a bigger fanbase and therefore get the hookup with scheduling.


Yeah, the scheduling is frustrating.  It's nice that the Niners are on tv more, since I live in the middle of nowhere (South Dakota!)  I generally don't get this sort of debate.  Last few comments are all "your team hasn't been good for 20 years, they're not that good!" or "you never won a ring, you suck!" etc.  It makes even less sense in college football, but, teams change.  We're talking about the upcoming season.  Anything can happen.  The Cowboys, for instance, could win (ew).  Other than Tony Romo's spotty play in a small number of playoff games, there's no reason to believe that a star on a helmet is some sort of curse that means no success in the playoffs.

You hear this all the time in college ball.  "There's no way Michigan beats Alabama, they never beat the SEC" or something.  The team we're talking about has, literally, zero overlap with the past teams that this is drawn on.  Puffing your chest about your team's history is stupid.  Gloating over another team's history is also stupid.

/That being said, the Phillies have the most losses of any team in any sport in any league in any country ever.
 
2013-08-15 01:47:35 PM

spiderpaz: Do you have the same problem with the Cowboys, Packers, Steelers?  Also - the Niners were good 20 years ago, but they also are good right now ... by most accounts better than any other team currently.


None of them are division rivals, so I don't care about them.

And the Seahawks are every bit as good as the 49ers, but they don't get the benefit of the scheduling doubt, so don't pretend it's because they're good right now.
 
2013-08-15 02:00:27 PM

spiderpaz: stappawho: spiderpaz: Shame Us: Record since Seahawks joined NFC West:

SF - 80-95-1 - 3 playoff appearances, 4-3 playoff record, 1 SB
SEA - 92-84 - 7 playoff appearances, 6-7 playoff record, 1 SB

Who's the little brother?

That's cute, SEA fans are trying to take credit for the 49ers spending 15 years rebuilding rather than all of the other obvious REAL factors that caused it.  If we're going to cherry pick statistics, let's just look at the last 2 years why don't we.

So, you are saying that when the two teams joined the same division is not a good point to start a comparison?  You know, when they play each other two times a year.

We could extend back to when competent ownership purchased the Seahawks.

Then why didn't you just site the head to head record between the two team?  Honestly the Rams have been more trouble for the 9ers than the hawks over the last 15 years.  And it's highly coincidental that you pick a time frame that overlaps the 49er franchises decline exactly - which had nothing to do with the shehawks joining the conference.  You didn't pick overall record.  You didn't pick the last 2 years.  You ignored those and picked the only time range that would support the point (was there one really?) you were trying to make:  THAT is cherry picking.

[bears repeating.jpg]
Niners: Division title last two years
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while

Niners: Went to NFC Championship both of the last 2 seasons.
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while.

Niners: Went to Super Bowl last year, narrowly lost.
Hawks: Uh... it's been a while.

Niners: Won five of last six head-to-head games.
Hawks: Won one of last six head-to-head games.

Niners: 9 players elected by NFL players to top 100
Hawks: 5 players elected by NFL players to top 100

Niners: Fans celebrate substance of repeated trips deep into post-season.
Hawks: Fans make a lot of noise.


Kap has no one to throw to outside of Davis and Boldin.   Gore is old Kendall Hunter nothing special,  James is a midget.   I see a bunch of close wins or loses.  8-8    Squawks take that division.
 
2013-08-15 02:57:02 PM

IAmRight: spiderpaz: Do you have the same problem with the Cowboys, Packers, Steelers?  Also - the Niners were good 20 years ago, but they also are good right now ... by most accounts better than any other team currently.

None of them are division rivals, so I don't care about them.

And the Seahawks are every bit as good as the 49ers, but they don't get the benefit of the scheduling doubt, so don't pretend it's because they're good right now.


What benefit are the niners getting on scheduling?  They start out the season 8, @3, 12, @16, 5, and they travel more than any other team this season (30 thousand + miles)
 
2013-08-15 03:08:10 PM

spiderpaz: What benefit are the niners getting on scheduling?  They start out the season 8, @3, 12, @16, 5, and they travel more than any other team this season (30 thousand + miles)


Get the tougher teams at home and they have only two 10 am games to Seattle's five. They also get more late-night games against east coast teams. Oh, and they have a road game against a team that's also on the road.
 
2013-08-15 04:27:09 PM

IAmRight: spiderpaz: What benefit are the niners getting on scheduling?  They start out the season 8, @3, 12, @16, 5, and they travel more than any other team this season (30 thousand + miles)

Get the tougher teams at home and they have only two 10 am games to Seattle's five. They also get more late-night games against east coast teams. Oh, and they have a road game against a team that's also on the road.


Well you might have a point with the 10 am games, but one could argue that's kind of balanced by the mileage (although a big part of that is the game in London).
 
2013-08-15 06:08:37 PM

IAmRight: Chargers fans are aware that a) that wasn't our first team offense, and b) the offense tends to take a while to get warmed up, right? Not to mention all the calls that extended your drives. I wouldn't get too excited.

/and I like the Chargers, having lived there four years and with them having won my first big futures bet


I'm not calling us a playoff team, hell, we're in full rebuilding mode after AJ Smith completely torched our cap room to the ground...but it did my heart good to see Russell Wilson running like a scared little girl.
 
2013-08-15 06:26:00 PM

oh_please: IAmRight: Chargers fans are aware that a) that wasn't our first team offense, and b) the offense tends to take a while to get warmed up, right? Not to mention all the calls that extended your drives. I wouldn't get too excited.

/and I like the Chargers, having lived there four years and with them having won my first big futures bet

I'm not calling us a playoff team, hell, we're in full rebuilding mode after AJ Smith completely torched our cap room to the ground...but it did my heart good to see Russell Wilson running like a scared little girl.


You mean scrambling for first downs?
 
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