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(Grist)   In 2007, 25% of wind turbines installed in America were made in America. In 2012 it was 72%   (grist.org ) divider line
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2013-08-14 01:11:19 PM  
That IS spiffy! I was expecting to read 12% by the time I got to the end of the sentence.
 
2013-08-14 01:16:00 PM  
It would be interesting to know the sum total wind turbines installed so we could know that it wasn't just a drop in the total and the only people still installing them were using American.  I would like to think the install totals have also grown over that time.  That WOULD be spiffy indeed. (to quote kimwim)
 
2013-08-14 01:17:37 PM  

Nogrhi: It would be interesting to know the sum total wind turbines installed so we could know that it wasn't just a drop in the total and the only people still installing them were using American.  I would like to think the install totals have also grown over that time.  That WOULD be spiffy indeed. (to quote kimwim)


Actually RTFA and it seems to answer my question to the positive.  Guess I should have read before posting.
 
2013-08-14 01:32:49 PM  
It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind
 
2013-08-14 01:59:31 PM  
Damn that Obama. He's just like a Republican!
 
2013-08-14 02:10:48 PM  
72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.
 
2013-08-14 02:14:08 PM  
GOP hacks: But, but, but, Solyndra!

Truth:  The vast majority of the government funded green energy initiatives have been successful, and have resulted in job growth as well as industry leadership for American companies.
 
2013-08-14 02:20:01 PM  

ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.


Right, it wouldn't be very good. Except the industry invested $43 billion in wind energy in 2012 - 43% of all new energy investment. That's many more than 5 units sold.
 
2013-08-14 02:20:30 PM  

ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.


you know how i know you've never driven through the midwest?
 
2013-08-14 02:27:57 PM  

NuttierThanEver: It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind


If we farm all the wind, there won't be any wind left, and then who's gonna make weather happen, huh? Your man-crush Stalin?
 
2013-08-14 02:28:07 PM  

FlashHarry: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

you know how i know you've never driven through the midwest?


Iowa's wind farms are massive and beautiful.
 
2013-08-14 02:28:09 PM  

ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.


How do you sell 3.6 units? Doesn't it have to be an integer number?
 
2013-08-14 02:28:56 PM  

NuttierThanEver: It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind


I don't usually complain about grammar and spelling, but jesus christ.
 
2013-08-14 02:29:14 PM  
Conservative response: But... but... it harms the birds! (they say this while they load up their truck with rifles and shotguns for a bird hunt!)
 
2013-08-14 02:29:29 PM  
Its because the US has so much moving air to take advantage of; mostly expelled. Politicians, lawyers, actors, etc...
 
2013-08-14 02:31:44 PM  

ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.


farkin wind farms, how do they work?

thebsreport.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-14 02:32:53 PM  

impaler: FlashHarry: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

you know how i know you've never driven through the midwest?

Iowa's wind farms are massive and beautiful.


Ludington MI has a couple of them too

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-14 02:33:08 PM  

James!: NuttierThanEver: It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind

I don't usually complain about grammar and spelling, but jesus christ.


Typing on phone during meeting instead of paying attention to inane blather
She me
 
2013-08-14 02:34:08 PM  

NuttierThanEver: James!: NuttierThanEver: It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind

I don't usually complain about grammar and spelling, but jesus christ.

Typing on phone during meeting instead of paying attention to inane blather
She me


I will she you, I'll she you in the vagina.
 
2013-08-14 02:37:53 PM  
My dad had an American made windmill in the 80's and it was a piece of shiat. I have only bought Japanese windmills and have never had a problem except for that time the windmill flew off on its own.
 
2013-08-14 02:39:57 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: Its because the US has so much moving air to take advantage of; mostly expelled. Politicians, lawyers, actors, etc...


If we put a ring of turbines around the Beltway, we could probably increase energy production by 30%. Another 20% when Congress is in session.
 
2013-08-14 02:40:25 PM  

James!: NuttierThanEver: James!: NuttierThanEver: It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind

I don't usually complain about grammar and spelling, but jesus christ.

Typing on phone during meeting instead of paying attention to inane blather
She me

I will she you, I'll she you in the vagina.


Goddamn autocorrect
Damn you to hell
 
2013-08-14 02:40:47 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Typing on phone during meeting instead of paying attention to inane blather
She me


heh :-)
 
2013-08-14 02:43:17 PM  

bopis: My dad had an American made windmill in the 80's and it was a piece of shiat. I have only bought Japanese windmills and have never had a problem except for that time the windmill flew off on its own.


That happens if you don't regularly prune the tentacles.
 
2013-08-14 02:47:38 PM  
The cooling effect of all those extra wind turbines explains why it was so cool this summer (its only 75 right now).
 
2013-08-14 02:49:21 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: Its because the US has so much moving air to take advantage of; mostly expelled. Politicians, lawyers, actors, etc...


images.politico.com
 
2013-08-14 02:52:16 PM  
Obviously it would be 115% if it wasn't for Fartbama's job killing tax hike in 2007.
 
2013-08-14 03:00:54 PM  
In related news, we're also producing more hot air.
 
2013-08-14 03:07:51 PM  
We have to build our own because of America's air. It's different than air in other parts of the world. It's produced by bald eagles flapping their wings and is full of freedom and democracy. Only American build turbines can handle that type of awesome air.

/'merica...fark yeah!!!
 
2013-08-14 03:10:06 PM  

phlegmmo: In related news, we're also producing more hot air.


Whatthefark: We have to build our own because of America's air. It's different than air in other parts of the world. It's produced by bald eagles flapping their wings and is full of freedom and democracy. Only American build turbines can handle that type of awesome air.

/'merica...fark yeah!!!


Clearly, these two statements are in agreement.
 
2013-08-14 03:14:09 PM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-08-14 03:19:07 PM  
Getting my degree in wind energy technology so getting a kick.. really it's pretty cool.
 
2013-08-14 03:22:02 PM  
So is there some reason that people should care?
 
2013-08-14 03:24:30 PM  

James!: NuttierThanEver: It would be even better if the Koch brothers would quit their propaganda campaign against wind energy, They three towns in our county  so scare that wind farms would give them migraines, rape there cattle and stampede their women and children that they banned them
to lazy to insert references but look for the Danish Study about wind

I don't usually complain about grammar and spelling, but jesus christ.


See what wind farming has done? It's blown away his grammar and shredded his spelling. Damn wind farms.
 
2013-08-14 03:36:13 PM  

impaler: FlashHarry: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

you know how i know you've never driven through the midwest?

Iowa's wind farms are massive and beautiful.


yup. i've been driving from omaha to iowa city every couple of months for about ten years now; it's amazing at how these things have sprung up.
 
2013-08-14 03:37:00 PM  

ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.


My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.

See this picture?
i.imgur.com

All of those went up in the past 4 years and a vast majority were manufactured here in the states.
 
2013-08-14 03:48:54 PM  
I'm hoping Google's acquisition of Makani Power gets their crazy new wind power idea off the ground (so to speak.) Their kites should be a lot cheaper than turbines.
 
2013-08-14 03:51:49 PM  

Im_Gumby: impaler: FlashHarry: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

you know how i know you've never driven through the midwest?

Iowa's wind farms are massive and beautiful.

Ludington MI has a couple of them too

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x408]


So does the Thumb.

One of my aunts was complaining she could hear them. The nearest one as of 4 years ago is 13 miles away.

When she shushed us while we were visiting and said "There it is", the rest of the family pointed out that was the dairy 1/2 mile down the road she was hearing.

She is royally pissed at my dad for allowing the power company to use a portion of his land to set one up.  I know part of the reason he allowed it is to get her to move away, but also the money they offered.

This news goals well the the fact we have a trade surplus with China in the overall solar industry.
 
2013-08-14 03:51:57 PM  

lousyskater: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.

See this picture?


All of those went up in the past 4 years and a vast majority were manufactured here in the states.


The wind energy industry sure is booming. I still can't understand the people that object to them over appearance, I would love to have a windfarm out my back door, they are amazing to watch.
 
2013-08-14 03:53:40 PM  
All these fans are going to make the cows cold in winter.
 
2013-08-14 03:56:16 PM  

dywed88: I would love to have a windfarm out my back door


That would probably work.
 
2013-08-14 04:00:44 PM  

phlegmmo: dywed88: I would love to have a windfarm out my back door

That would probably work.


www.evilskippyatwork.com
 
2013-08-14 04:05:43 PM  

dywed88: The wind energy industry sure is booming. I still can't understand the people that object to them over appearance, I would love to have a windfarm out my back door, they are amazing to watch.


I find them relaxing unless you stare at them for too long.  And then it's always with the spinning...and the turning...and that creaking noise just creaking and spinning and turning.  And then when there's some sort of a storm THE CREAKING AND SPINNING AND TURNING...it's worse and faster and NEVER CEASING.

But I digress.
 
2013-08-14 04:05:59 PM  
I signed up for this thing where all my electricity is wind-generated so my electric bills are like twice what they used to be because I am a stupid hippie.  I feel like I have personally paid for at least two of these got damned things.  I at least want a climb up one of them and scream through the blades so I sound like Darth Vader.
 
2013-08-14 04:06:16 PM  
fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net

Aruba wind turbines

// powering 20% of the island

// friggin huge
 
2013-08-14 04:07:12 PM  

brap: I signed up for this thing where all my electricity is wind-generated so my electric bills are like twice what they used to be because I am a stupid hippie.  I feel like I have personally paid for at least two of these got damned things.  I at least want a climb up one of them and scream through the blades so I sound like Darth Vader.


Is that those kids at the blue tables all over the place?
 
2013-08-14 04:10:11 PM  
What's up Jorb creators?  You slipped up. You were supposed to export all those jobs and import 90+ percent of the wind turbines by now.

You're throwing "The Plan" out of whack.
 
2013-08-14 04:19:02 PM  
made made
or
assembled made?
 
2013-08-14 04:20:55 PM  

mrlewish: What's up Jorb creators?  You slipped up. You were supposed to export all those jobs and import 90+ percent of the wind turbines by now.

You're throwing "The Plan" out of whack.


To be fair, windmills were probably made by Siemans, a German company. So the jobs were outsourced (to the U.S. though) to properly meet 2013 job-creator standards and certifications.
 
2013-08-14 04:21:50 PM  

bindlestiff2600: made made
or
assembled made?


I'm pretty sure 100% of the windmills in the US were "assembled" here.
 
2013-08-14 04:22:27 PM  

sirgrim: Getting my degree in wind energy technology so getting a kick.. really it's pretty cool.



So about five years ago at my old gig, just around the time the economy was going to hell, the company was bidding on a project to test some hydraulic-based wind power generation systems that prospective customer was thinking of building. Instead of a generator each tower had a hydraulic pump, and the flow from multiple towers would power a hydraulic motor driving a generator located at ground level.

It seemed like a really clever idea but a.) we never got the project, b.) I've changed jobs since then. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
 
2013-08-14 04:24:15 PM  
spacebison.com
 
2013-08-14 04:25:33 PM  

brap: I signed up for this thing where all my electricity is wind-generated so my electric bills are like twice what they used to be because I am a stupid hippie.  I feel like I have personally paid for at least two of these got damned things.  I at least want a climb up one of them and scream through the blades so I sound like Darth Vader.


Uh....how could that possibly work? Electricity is the mother of all fungible resources. There's no separating your "green" electrons from my "dirty" electrons once they hit the grid. Did they give you your own power lines too? Because that smells like a scam designed to fleece enviro-nuts to me.
 
2013-08-14 04:27:14 PM  

lousyskater: My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.


That and there is that one company that moved manufacturing to China and literally had the Chinese competition steal every single about production from them (including the firmware).  So it likely cheaper in the long run to keep manufacturing here when you consider that cost.
 
2013-08-14 04:28:33 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: brap: I signed up for this thing where all my electricity is wind-generated so my electric bills are like twice what they used to be because I am a stupid hippie.  I feel like I have personally paid for at least two of these got damned things.  I at least want a climb up one of them and scream through the blades so I sound like Darth Vader.

Uh....how could that possibly work? Electricity is the mother of all fungible resources. There's no separating your "green" electrons from my "dirty" electrons once they hit the grid. Did they give you your own power lines too? Because that smells like a scam designed to fleece enviro-nuts to me.


Your money goes into the pool, then they buy energy from another company that produces wind energy.

The actual electrons might have been produced at a nuke plant, but overall a purchase was made from someone producing wind energy.
 
2013-08-14 04:33:37 PM  

meat0918: Your money goes into the pool, then they buy energy from another company that produces wind energy.

The actual electrons might have been produced at a nuke plant, but overall a purchase was made from someone producing wind energy.


Okay, I didn't think of it that way.

Still, it seems like just an excuse to get you to pay more without actually helping the environment in a significant way. If you're using electricity, you're still contributing to the peak load that requires them to fire up the fossil fuel plants. Unless maybe the higher rates are a social engineering tactic designed to make you use less juice.
 
2013-08-14 04:34:30 PM  
www.whitehouse.gov
 
2013-08-14 04:39:00 PM  

wingnut396: That and there is that one company that moved manufacturing to China and literally had the Chinese competition steal every single about production from them (including the firmware).  So it likely cheaper in the long run to keep manufacturing here when you consider that cost.


Canon's battery grip extension:
g-ecx.images-amazon.com


3rd party's battery grip extension - rumored to be made in the same Chinese factory, from the same molds:
ecx.images-amazon.com

I think I have the models right.
 
2013-08-14 04:42:13 PM  
That blows!
 
2013-08-14 04:50:37 PM  
they're returning our jerbs!
 
2013-08-14 05:08:44 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Uh....how could that possibly work? Electricity is the mother of all fungible resources. There's no separating your "green" electrons from my "dirty" electrons once they hit the grid. Did they give you your own power lines too? Because that smells like a scam designed to fleece enviro-nuts to me.


I think it's nuts that we're so far behind on alternate and renewable energies.  The money goes towards supporting the development of these technologies, which has actually finally started FINALLY making major leaps forward in the NY area.
 
2013-08-14 05:09:22 PM  

SpaceBison: [spacebison.com image 850x637]


Whar Muriel and Eustace?
 
2013-08-14 05:10:13 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: meat0918: Your money goes into the pool, then they buy energy from another company that produces wind energy.

The actual electrons might have been produced at a nuke plant, but overall a purchase was made from someone producing wind energy.

Okay, I didn't think of it that way.

Still, it seems like just an excuse to get you to pay more without actually helping the environment in a significant way. If you're using electricity, you're still contributing to the peak load that requires them to fire up the fossil fuel plants. Unless maybe the higher rates are a social engineering tactic designed to make you use less juice.


I'm sure that it's part of it, but I wonder if it's canceled out by "Well, it's green so I can still use the same".

The larger point though is to get more money to those wind farms and increasing demand for the electricity they produce.
 
2013-08-14 05:17:14 PM  

James!: brap: I signed up for this thing where all my electricity is wind-generated so my electric bills are like twice what they used to be because I am a stupid hippie.  I feel like I have personally paid for at least two of these got damned things.  I at least want a climb up one of them and scream through the blades so I sound like Darth Vader.

Is that those kids at the blue tables all over the place?


No.  I it was some company I researched a few years ago when I decided to make the leap.  I'd have to look at my Con Ed bill to see who the provider is though.
 
2013-08-14 05:21:53 PM  
farm5.staticflickr.com

What a wind farm in the dirty, liberal bastion known as Montana might look like.
 
2013-08-14 05:29:46 PM  

lousyskater: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.

See this picture?
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

All of those went up in the past 4 years and a vast majority were manufactured here in the states.


Shipping from overseas is a nightmare sometimes. I swear some of the ocean cans we get have been spun around and dropped a couple times before we unload them.
 
2013-08-14 05:49:22 PM  
Within about a half hour of my house right now there are at least half a dozen full-sized turbines.  To hear some people around here talk, you'd think they were the work of the devil or something.  Probably doesn't help that the anti-turbine people in the area had Ted Kennedy on their side for a while.
 
2013-08-14 06:26:26 PM  

Dog Welder: dywed88: The wind energy industry sure is booming. I still can't understand the people that object to them over appearance, I would love to have a windfarm out my back door, they are amazing to watch.

I find them relaxing unless you stare at them for too long.  And then it's always with the spinning...and the turning...and that creaking noise just creaking and spinning and turning.  And then when there's some sort of a storm THE CREAKING AND SPINNING AND TURNING...it's worse and faster and NEVER CEASING.

But I digress.


Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Striker. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug!
 
2013-08-14 06:31:49 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: meat0918: Your money goes into the pool, then they buy energy from another company that produces wind energy.

The actual electrons might have been produced at a nuke plant, but overall a purchase was made from someone producing wind energy.

Okay, I didn't think of it that way.

Still, it seems like just an excuse to get you to pay more without actually helping the environment in a significant way. If you're using electricity, you're still contributing to the peak load that requires them to fire up the fossil fuel plants. Unless maybe the higher rates are a social engineering tactic designed to make you use less juice.


Actually, those utility programs contribute directly to the construction of more wind/solar projects.  The additional money collected is tracked/segregated, and used specifically to purchase energy/RECs from renewable projects, or to build/buy new projects directly.

Those programs allow the utilities to install extra wind/solar to diversify their resource mix without hitting their shareholders (or convincing the regulators to let them hit the ratepayers).

Not quite as powerful as a true RPS, but they have had profound effects in some utility areas.
 
2013-08-14 06:48:57 PM  
Put one infront of Rush Limbaugh, one infront of Sarah Palin and one infront of the Teabaggers. Ta da! Energy problem solved
 
2013-08-14 07:21:33 PM  

ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.


Republican math you do to make yourself feel better?
 
2013-08-14 07:38:32 PM  

phaseolus: Instead of a generator each tower had a hydraulic pump, and the flow from multiple towers would power a hydraulic motor driving a generator located at ground level.

It seemed like a really clever idea but a.) we never got the project, b.) I've changed jobs since then. Have you ever heard of anything like this?


I don't see how high pressure fluid (oil?) would be more convenient to run from tower to tower than electricity would be.
 
2013-08-14 07:41:40 PM  

Dog Welder: I find them relaxing unless you stare at them for too long. And then it's always with the spinning...and the turning...and that creaking noise just creaking and spinning and turning. And then when there's some sort of a storm THE CREAKING AND SPINNING AND TURNING...it's worse and faster and NEVER CEASING.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-08-14 07:42:45 PM  
2/3 of all wind turbines in America were installed since January 2011.
 
2013-08-14 07:53:12 PM  

flondrix: phaseolus: Instead of a generator each tower had a hydraulic pump, and the flow from multiple towers would power a hydraulic motor driving a generator located at ground level.

It seemed like a really clever idea but a.) we never got the project, b.) I've changed jobs since then. Have you ever heard of anything like this?

I don't see how high pressure fluid (oil?) would be more convenient to run from tower to tower than electricity would be.


I would assume the point is to only have one generator for a large number of towers. In addition if you put the generator and pumps on the ground and you probably make maintenance somewhat easier.
 
2013-08-14 08:04:52 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
Good old American windmill to support the real 'Mericans working the land

i1.trekearth.com
Dirty hippy windmills that are taking American jobs and spoil the view for our wonderful representatives in their multi million dollar homes.
 
2013-08-14 08:18:53 PM  

dywed88: flondrix: phaseolus: Instead of a generator each tower had a hydraulic pump, and the flow from multiple towers would power a hydraulic motor driving a generator located at ground level.

It seemed like a really clever idea but a.) we never got the project, b.) I've changed jobs since then. Have you ever heard of anything like this?

I don't see how high pressure fluid (oil?) would be more convenient to run from tower to tower than electricity would be.

I would assume the point is to only have one generator for a large number of towers. In addition if you put the generator and pumps on the ground and you probably make maintenance somewhat easier.


How would the energy be transfered from the top of the wind turnbine to he hydraulic pumps on the ground? A shaft? If that was feasible then the electrical generators would already be on the ground.

The reason I see a hydraulic system being impractical is it adds additional conversions of energy and its inefficiencies. Current technology extracts power from the moving air, converts it to mechanical shaft power which then turns it into electrical power. A hydraulic system would extract power from the movig air, convert it to shaft power, convert it to hydraulic power, convert it back to shaft power and finally to electrical power.

In the end it would less efficienct and would required maintence of a hydraulic system (pumps, turbines, piping, valves, ext.)
 
2013-08-14 08:36:11 PM  
That is impossible, 72% of them made in America, really? I thought it was to expensive to manufacture in America because you know employees want a living wage and what not.
 
2013-08-14 08:36:24 PM  

lousyskater: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.

See this picture?
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

All of those went up in the past 4 years and a vast majority were manufactured here in the states.


Where the hell is that? It looks like a Windows background
 
2013-08-14 09:16:29 PM  
But where are the rare earth magnets for the generators made?  Where are those materials sourced from?  Manufacturing those is environmentally costly, especially when it's done in China where environmentally safe manufacturing is merely a low-priority suggestion.
 
2013-08-14 09:26:51 PM  

MadCat221: But where are the rare earth magnets for the generators made?  Where are those materials sourced from?  Manufacturing those is environmentally costly, especially when it's done in China where environmentally safe manufacturing is merely a low-priority suggestion.


You do understand that is does not matter if generators utilize wind or hydro or coal or natural gas or nuclear they all contain magnets?

If you want electricity generator by converting mechanical energy into electrical energy, you need magnets.
 
2013-08-14 09:42:30 PM  

NateAsbestos: lousyskater: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.

See this picture?
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

All of those went up in the past 4 years and a vast majority were manufactured here in the states.

Where the hell is that? It looks like a Windows background


I just made it mine.  There's something surreal about it.  I don't know if it is the scale or juxtaposition of technology against natural.  It just strikes me as something 'not right' and a little mind-bending.  Of course, I get that reaction from that Bugs Bunny episode where he is fighting Marvin the Martian on his home turf, and everything is all weird border-line acid trip.  Weirdly, the famous Escher print doesn't trigger my brain that way.

\obligatory Futurama 'don't want to pay for a dimension we're not gonna use' quote
 
2013-08-14 09:57:39 PM  

max_pooper: If you want electricity generator by converting mechanical energy into electrical energy, you need magnets.


dude..
 
2013-08-14 09:59:45 PM  

sirgrim: Getting my degree in wind energy technology so getting a kick.. really it's pretty cool.


So why doesn't the U.S. produce more sophisticated turbines?
 
2013-08-14 10:22:01 PM  

pmdgrwr: That is impossible, 72% of them made in America, really? I thought it was to expensive to manufacture in America because you know employees want a living wage and what not.


We solved that problem with robots.

/srsly, US manufacturing makes a similar amount of stuff as China, we just don't employ many humans to do it
 
2013-08-14 10:42:50 PM  
I will only support these if we actually sharpen the blades. I like the idea of giant whirling razor blades that leave comical chunks of birds, parachute jumpers, and stray kites in evenly bisected pieces.
 
2013-08-14 10:47:54 PM  

acohn: sirgrim: Getting my degree in wind energy technology so getting a kick.. really it's pretty cool.

So why doesn't the U.S. produce more sophisticated turbines?


The "article" and accompanying video are light on details.

The video says that there are no moving parts. Maybe so for the "generator" but it requires a constant supply of water. A systems of pumps and valves is required to deliver the water to the "generator", not to mention a source for all that water.
 
2013-08-14 11:40:20 PM  
www.windpoweringamerica.gov

www.njcleanenergy.com
...in less than 12 years.  Imagine it in 2025!
 
2013-08-14 11:42:04 PM  
www.windpoweringamerica.gov

sorry, more updated map.
 
2013-08-14 11:49:43 PM  

max_pooper: How would the energy be transfered from the top of the wind turnbine to he hydraulic pumps on the ground? A shaft? If that was feasible then the electrical generators would already be on the ground.


Yeah, I don't know where that came from. It was really stupid.

But I would assume there is an advantage to have only one large generator that is easy to access rather than a large number of small generators that are difficult to access. Whether the benefits outweigh the cost is another question.
 
2013-08-14 11:53:16 PM  

NateAsbestos: lousyskater: ferretman: 72% of 5 units sold....is not very good.

My company put up 250 2MW wind turbines last year in the US alone, which literally doubled our count here in the states. Being a fairly small company, that's farking huge. But yeah, turns out it's cheaper to manufacture the larger components here in the states than it does to outsource it and then pay out the ass to ship it and then pay for damages during overseas shipping.

See this picture?
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

All of those went up in the past 4 years and a vast majority were manufactured here in the states.

Where the hell is that? It looks like a Windows background


Norcal, specifically Bird's Landing, CA. I wish it always looked like that out here, it's green for a good 3 months and then everything turns to a dead brown for the rest of the year because it doesn't farking rain. Don't have any pictures with dead grass because it's ugly, but I've got this one to show just how big ours are:
http://i.imgur.com/L9Y1w61.jpg


acohn: sirgrim: Getting my degree in wind energy technology so getting a kick.. really it's pretty cool.

So why doesn't the U.S. produce more sophisticated turbines?


Because those aren't nearly efficient enough for large scale energy production.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I will only support these if we actually sharpen the blades. I like the idea of giant whirling razor blades that leave comical chunks of birds, parachute jumpers, and stray kites in evenly bisected pieces.


The small ones still chop birds into tiny little bits. The big ones move slow enough that I've seen the hawks and vultures around here seemingly play games out of avoiding the whirling turbine blades. Been doing this for almost 2 years now, and could count the amount of dead birds I've seen around ours on a single hand.
 
2013-08-15 12:21:55 AM  

acohn: sirgrim: Getting my degree in wind energy technology so getting a kick.. really it's pretty cool.

So why doesn't the U.S. produce more sophisticated turbines?


GE wind turbines are state-of-the-art, fantasy-driven futurist articles notwithstanding.
 
2013-08-15 12:37:48 AM  
Etch out a future of your own design
Well tailored to your needs
Then fan the flame and keep the dream alive
Of a continent
A continent a continent a continent a -
 
2013-08-15 01:21:56 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [www.windpoweringamerica.gov image 820x615]

sorry, more updated map.


Holy shiat, Texas. I bag on you a lot, but when you go in on something, you go in BIG.

/Course that goes for both good things and bad things
//Installing wind power, great!
///Electing shiatty governors, bad!
 
2013-08-15 01:41:42 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I will only support these if we actually sharpen the blades. I like the idea of giant whirling razor blades that leave comical chunks of birds, parachute jumpers, and stray kites in evenly bisected pieces.


They can't sharpen the blades, that would make the wind move too fast...
 
2013-08-15 03:28:08 AM  
I was driving out in Blackfoot country in Montana a couple years back, and looking across the vast plains, I couldn't help but think that if the Blackfoot worked with wind and solar energy companies, they could raise their people out of poverty and move to the forefront of green energy technology. The land is vast and flat and protected from the weather by the Rocky Mountains. The wind blows all year round and the sun is unimpeded by trees and hills.

It was a great land, but the crushing poverty in the shadow of the casino was disheartening. A gas station. A casino. A Subway sandwich shop. All that opportunity was slipping past these people. And I with it.
 
2013-08-15 06:17:10 AM  

JayCab: Flying Lasagna Monster: [www.windpoweringamerica.gov image 820x615]

sorry, more updated map.

Holy shiat, Texas. I bag on you a lot, but when you go in on something, you go in BIG.

/Course that goes for both good things and bad things
//Installing wind power, great!
///Electing shiatty governors, bad!


No dispute about the current governor, but I'd note that I live next to the densest coverage of wind generation in the world (Abilene to Midland), and they actually stopped putting up turbines around here a couple years back because they're already producing so much power the grid can't transmit it. If we could get a new transmission corridor built (a la Pickens), it'd be nonstop turbines for hundreds of miles.
 
2013-08-15 06:19:18 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I will only support these if we actually sharpen the blades. I like the idea of giant whirling razor blades that leave comical chunks of birds, parachute jumpers, and stray kites in evenly bisected pieces.

They can't sharpen the blades, that would make the wind move too fast...


Don't be an idiot. The reason they can't sharpen them is that they'd slice up the oxygen molecules and we'd all suffocate!
 
2013-08-15 02:18:31 PM  

dywed88: max_pooper: How would the energy be transfered from the top of the wind turnbine to he hydraulic pumps on the ground? A shaft? If that was feasible then the electrical generators would already be on the ground.

Yeah, I don't know where that came from. It was really stupid.

But I would assume there is an advantage to have only one large generator that is easy to access rather than a large number of small generators that are difficult to access. Whether the benefits outweigh the cost is another question.


True for the generator but there would be hydraulic pumps atop each turnbine tower that need to accessed for service as well.
 
2013-08-15 02:26:21 PM  
In my lifetime the US is going to produce at least 50% of its energy from wind. We are the Saudi Arabia of wind power and this is one field where progressive technological innovations have an immediate effect.
 
2013-08-15 04:29:05 PM  
This is the idiocy we have to deal with in Idaho.

http://www.energyintegrityproject.org/EIP_Billboards.html
 
2013-08-15 06:44:41 PM  

Beeblebrox: This is the idiocy we have to deal with in Idaho.

http://www.energyintegrityproject.org/EIP_Billboards.html


EIP billboards? BIE?
 
2013-08-16 12:44:58 AM  
I'm surpised that green energy initiatives aren't being pursued much more heavily. They have the potential for not only creating new jobs, but also for weaning us off oil, as well as providing the country with a viable export (both energy and hardware). Thats like, three birds with one stone and stuff.
 
2013-08-16 01:10:31 AM  

Veloram: I'm surpised that green energy initiatives aren't being pursued much more heavily. They have the potential for not only creating new jobs, but also for weaning us off oil, as well as providing the country with a viable export (both energy and hardware). Thats like, three birds with one stone and stuff.


Well, Obama's had 4 years so far. Maybe he'll do something in the next 4.

But don't hold your breath.
 
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