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(The Big Lead)   For 10 straight years, an NFL team has gone from DFL to 1st place in its division. This year's candidates: Bills/Jets, Browns, Jaguars, Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, Panthers/Saints/Bucs, Cardinals   (thebiglead.com) divider line 90
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2013-08-14 12:19:51 PM
That's great, but who are the Chefs?
 
2013-08-14 12:24:17 PM
They're a new expansion team out of Wyoming

/bored
 
2013-08-14 12:25:32 PM

AtticusFinchEsq: That's great, but who are the Chefs?


They are a new team out of Sweden.
 
2013-08-14 12:26:35 PM

AtticusFinchEsq: That's great, but who are the Chefs?


l.wigflip.com
 
2013-08-14 12:46:09 PM

AtticusFinchEsq: That's great, but who are the Chefs?


great googly-moogly.

From the above list, my money has to be on the Saints.
 
2013-08-14 12:48:25 PM

AtticusFinchEsq: That's great, but who are the Chefs?


Who own the Chiefs?

/Owns
//Owns
 
2013-08-14 12:52:43 PM
C'mon Lions!
 
2013-08-14 01:01:01 PM
as long as it's not the Eagles.

I'll root for the Chiefs here.
 
2013-08-14 01:08:06 PM
If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.
 
2013-08-14 01:46:51 PM
Saints or the Browns probably have the best chance.
 
2013-08-14 02:04:54 PM
I was totally shocked the Bills won a game.
 
2013-08-14 02:13:32 PM

CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.


Go ahead and kick it, Charlie. This time Lucy will REALLY keep it there for you.
 
2013-08-14 02:14:56 PM

Speaker2Animals: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

Go ahead and kick it, Charlie. This time Lucy will REALLY keep it there for you.


Between a soft schedule and the fact that the Ravens and Steelers are likely at the lowest point either team has been in the past decade, this is the year to do it if they're going to do it.
 
2013-08-14 02:32:20 PM
As an Eagles season ticket holder I assure you I am not putting money aside for a pre-Christmas playoff ticket invoice.
 
2013-08-14 02:32:38 PM

Deep Contact: I was totally shocked the Bills won a game.


I wasn't. EJ Manuel looks like the real deal. And I like Marquis Goodwin, I think he'll surprise a lot of people.
 
2013-08-14 02:34:15 PM

CavalierEternal: Speaker2Animals: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

Go ahead and kick it, Charlie. This time Lucy will REALLY keep it there for you.

Between a soft schedule and the fact that the Ravens and Steelers are likely at the lowest point either team has been in the past decade, this is the year to do it if they're going to do it.


Yup -- there's a different reason for optimism every year, and 2013 is no different. I was at Browns-Colts 1964 and don't expect I will live long enough to see another title in Cleveland.
 
2013-08-14 03:20:48 PM
The Chiefs upgraded their QB from "firebomb of horrendousness" to "competent". They also got - even with all of Reid's faults - a much better coach. Not that I see them finishing ahead of Denver, but those by themselves could get them hovering around .500.
 
2013-08-14 03:40:13 PM
The Bills all the way. Lead by the fark first names crowd of EJ Manuel and CJ spiller.
 
2013-08-14 03:40:58 PM

FreakinB: The Chiefs upgraded their QB from "firebomb of horrendousness" to "competent". They also got - even with all of Reid's faults - a much better coach. Not that I see them finishing ahead of Denver, but those by themselves could get them hovering around .500.


They have a favorable schedule again this year (though that can always change once the season gets going.) It's been far too long since the Chargers were the basement dweller in the division, so I'm playing the under on them and the over on KC.
 
2013-08-14 03:41:55 PM
If I had to pick a division, I'd obviously go with the NFC South. It's nice to have three teams to choose from AND a division with a history of a lot of worst-to-first finishes.

If I had to pick a team, I'd probably go with the Lions or Chiefs. I have no idea what's up with the Lions and it's possible that their season from two years ago better represents their capabilities than last year. I wouldn't go crazy and expect them to win the Super Bowl, but it's not crazy to think that the Packers might have issues due to not fielding a defense and that Minnesota probably isn't going to get 2000+ yards out of Peterson again and the Bears still have Cutler, so they'll always be middling.

The Chiefs have talent (see Pro Bowl rosters), they upgraded at QB and at HC, and their division sucks except for one team, which is relying on an old QB and are basically f*cked if he goes. The Cardinals would have the same thing with the talent, upgrades at QB and HC...but their division is not going to let them have anything.

I'd like it to be the Bills but I think they're a year or two away.

/if they cut my boy Brandon Kaufman then f*ck the Bills and I hope they lose =D
 
2013-08-14 03:41:56 PM
I'd put money on the Saints, followed by the Lions (in a tough division).
 
2013-08-14 03:43:27 PM
Saints, with Payton back, would be my pick.
 
2013-08-14 03:43:39 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As an Eagles season ticket holder I assure you I am not putting money aside for a pre-Christmas playoff ticket invoice.


If they win 6 games this year, and avoid getting blown out in half the losses, it should probably be considered a success.
 
2013-08-14 03:43:50 PM
The Saints are the strongest bet now that Malcolm in the Middle is back coaching.
 
2013-08-14 03:44:13 PM
I also wouldn't mind seeing the Jets win the East for the lulz. Especially if they get to the Super Bowl.

That'd be three AFCCGs and a Super Bowl in five years for Rex as a coach and people would STILL say he sucks if they lost the Super Bowl. WITH MARK SANCHEZ AS HIS QB AND HOMELESS PEOPLE AT WR.
 
2013-08-14 03:45:05 PM
Well, the Bills and Jets' prospects are looking up now that Brady went dAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry, couldn't get through that. Pats still walk even if Brady's done.
 
2013-08-14 03:45:23 PM

IAmRight: If I had to pick a division, I'd obviously go with the NFC South. It's nice to have three teams to choose from AND a division with a history of a lot of worst-to-first finishes.

If I had to pick a team, I'd probably go with the Lions or Chiefs. I have no idea what's up with the Lions and it's possible that their season from two years ago better represents their capabilities than last year. I wouldn't go crazy and expect them to win the Super Bowl, but it's not crazy to think that the Packers might have issues due to not fielding a defense and that Minnesota probably isn't going to get 2000+ yards out of Peterson again and the Bears still have Cutler, so they'll always be middling.

The Chiefs have talent (see Pro Bowl rosters), they upgraded at QB and at HC, and their division sucks except for one team, which is relying on an old QB and are basically f*cked if he goes. The Cardinals would have the same thing with the talent, upgrades at QB and HC...but their division is not going to let them have anything.

I'd like it to be the Bills but I think they're a year or two away.

/if they cut my boy Brandon Kaufman then f*ck the Bills and I hope they lose =D


Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.
 
2013-08-14 03:46:43 PM
The Saints would be the strongest bet if it weren't for the fact that Atlanta is a great regular-season team that just improved this offseason in their running game.
 
2013-08-14 03:47:22 PM
Saints and Falcons will be trading places each year for the next few years.
 
2013-08-14 03:48:04 PM

Wadded Beef: Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.


I'm not going to book it because it's between them and every other non-division winner (since both Seattle and San Francisco are making it again).

/and either the Saints or Falcons will probably have a pretty darn good record too.
 
2013-08-14 03:49:39 PM
media.nola.com
 
2013-08-14 03:50:36 PM

IAmRight: The Saints would be the strongest bet if it weren't for the fact that Atlanta is a great regular-season team that just improved this offseason in their running game.


Did they, though? I'm of course privy to nothing, but I often hear on sportstalk that their run-blocking is terrible and that Steven Jackson, being on the downside of his career (not that THAT's subjective), is in line to be Michael Turner 2.0 when he fizzled.

That said, Falcons winning the South would shock no one.
 
2013-08-14 03:52:22 PM

Wadded Beef: IAmRight: The Saints would be the strongest bet if it weren't for the fact that Atlanta is a great regular-season team that just improved this offseason in their running game.

Did they, though? I'm of course privy to nothing, but I often hear on sportstalk that their run-blocking is terrible and that Steven Jackson, being on the downside of his career (not that THAT's subjective), is in line to be Michael Turner 2.0 when he fizzled.

That said, Falcons winning the South would shock no one.


Well, it's just preseason, but Jackson had pretty much no holes and went for 2, 4, and stuffed in the backfield twice IIRC.  Hope that actually continues when it counts.
 
2013-08-14 03:53:27 PM

IAmRight: Wadded Beef: Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.

I'm not going to book it because it's between them and every other non-division winner (since both Seattle and San Francisco are making it again).

/and either the Saints or Falcons will probably have a pretty darn good record too.


Actually, as soon as I hit 'add comment' I realized I spaced the resurgent Saints. I figure in the NFC that the East and North will only be the division winners with the wild cards coming from the South and West.

Still, I proclaimed with a chest-thump that the Lions are #6 so I gotta stay with it.
 
2013-08-14 03:53:56 PM

IlGreven: Well, the Bills and Jets' prospects are looking up now that Brady went dAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry, couldn't get through that. Pats still walk even if Brady's done.


Thought that was a joke, then I went to PFT.  I'm gonna blame Tebow.
 
2013-08-14 03:55:15 PM

Wadded Beef: IAmRight: If I had to pick a division, I'd obviously go with the NFC South. It's nice to have three teams to choose from AND a division with a history of a lot of worst-to-first finishes.

If I had to pick a team, I'd probably go with the Lions or Chiefs. I have no idea what's up with the Lions and it's possible that their season from two years ago better represents their capabilities than last year. I wouldn't go crazy and expect them to win the Super Bowl, but it's not crazy to think that the Packers might have issues due to not fielding a defense and that Minnesota probably isn't going to get 2000+ yards out of Peterson again and the Bears still have Cutler, so they'll always be middling.

The Chiefs have talent (see Pro Bowl rosters), they upgraded at QB and at HC, and their division sucks except for one team, which is relying on an old QB and are basically f*cked if he goes. The Cardinals would have the same thing with the talent, upgrades at QB and HC...but their division is not going to let them have anything.

I'd like it to be the Bills but I think they're a year or two away.

/if they cut my boy Brandon Kaufman then f*ck the Bills and I hope they lose =D

Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.


Ya thats not happening.

They have no line on either side of the ball.
 
2013-08-14 03:55:46 PM
Saints are the easy pick. Eagles or Browns next on the list.

No skin in the game, but I'd like to see the Browns win the division, just out of pity.
 
2013-08-14 03:55:52 PM
I'd take the Lions.

I won't count out the Eagles just because that division ends up with all four teams between 6 and 9 wins half the time anyway.
 
2013-08-14 03:56:11 PM
Have to agree with the majority here, Saints.  Although, I think the Chefs have the potential for biggest improvement, they won't be able to overcome the Broncos, who will not win 13 again, but 10 or 11 is probably enough.
 
2013-08-14 03:57:03 PM

IAmRight: Wadded Beef: Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.

I'm not going to book it because it's between them and every other non-division winner (since both Seattle and San Francisco are making it again).

/and either the Saints or Falcons will probably have a pretty darn good record too.


This is my problem. The Giants need to win the division because one of those two is getting a wild card spot, and the NFC East is probably going to do their usual thing where they beat up on each other and nobody ends up with a spectacular record.
 
2013-08-14 03:58:00 PM

IlGreven: Well, the Bills and Jets' prospects are looking up now that Brady went dAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry, couldn't get through that. Pats still walk even if Brady's done.


I had to go to twitter after reading your post to see what you are talking about. Man, if ever there was a team that had a shiatty offseason it is New England
 
2013-08-14 04:01:38 PM

p the boiler: IlGreven: Well, the Bills and Jets' prospects are looking up now that Brady went dAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry, couldn't get through that. Pats still walk even if Brady's done.

I had to go to twitter after reading your post to see what you are talking about. Man, if ever there was a team that had a shiatty offseason it is New England


PS - it's Tim Tebow's birthday today.

* cue "Ave Satani" *
 
2013-08-14 04:02:19 PM

Wadded Beef: I'm of course privy to nothing, but I often hear on sportstalk that their run-blocking is terrible and that Steven Jackson, being on the downside of his career (not that THAT's subjective), is in line to be Michael Turner 2.0 when he fizzled.


Homie ran with the Rams O-Line for the past half-dozen years. Pretty sure he's familiar with sh*tty lines (though of course NOW they have a decent line that's getting better).

/still an upgrade from Turner
//give Quizz more time!
 
2013-08-14 04:03:04 PM

justtray: Wadded Beef: IAmRight: If I had to pick a division, I'd obviously go with the NFC South. It's nice to have three teams to choose from AND a division with a history of a lot of worst-to-first finishes.

If I had to pick a team, I'd probably go with the Lions or Chiefs. I have no idea what's up with the Lions and it's possible that their season from two years ago better represents their capabilities than last year. I wouldn't go crazy and expect them to win the Super Bowl, but it's not crazy to think that the Packers might have issues due to not fielding a defense and that Minnesota probably isn't going to get 2000+ yards out of Peterson again and the Bears still have Cutler, so they'll always be middling.

The Chiefs have talent (see Pro Bowl rosters), they upgraded at QB and at HC, and their division sucks except for one team, which is relying on an old QB and are basically f*cked if he goes. The Cardinals would have the same thing with the talent, upgrades at QB and HC...but their division is not going to let them have anything.

I'd like it to be the Bills but I think they're a year or two away.

/if they cut my boy Brandon Kaufman then f*ck the Bills and I hope they lose =D

Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.

Ya thats not happening.

They have no line on either side of the ball.


It blows me away that with the D-line talent they've drafted  they're middle-of the-league at best in sacks and rush D last year.
 
2013-08-14 04:05:54 PM

justtray: Ya thats not happening.

They have no line on either side of the ball.


Neither do most of the teams in the division.
 
2013-08-14 04:05:56 PM

robsul82: p the boiler: IlGreven: Well, the Bills and Jets' prospects are looking up now that Brady went dAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry, couldn't get through that. Pats still walk even if Brady's done.

I had to go to twitter after reading your post to see what you are talking about. Man, if ever there was a team that had a shiatty offseason it is New England

PS - it's Tim Tebow's birthday today.

* cue "O Fortuna" *


Derrrr.
 
2013-08-14 04:23:12 PM
The Saints were a rudderless team with an awful DC, and still managed to win 7 games (would have been 8 if not for those replacement refs). But Payton is back. The only other coach I'd consider as cunning and ruthless is Belichick.

The defense (now a 3-4 with Ryan) has to improve only modestly for the Saints to be a threat deep in the playoffs. The offense is so reliable that you could set a watch to it, so we don't even need to discuss that. We've terrorized the league with a bend-don't-break defense before, and I can almost promise you that will be the case this year.

/homer
 
2013-08-14 04:28:43 PM
Aren't the Lions pretty much always rated DFL? Or is it just my years of rooting for them and being perennially disappointed?
 
2013-08-14 04:32:20 PM
I know I'm a fan, but the Saints are the easy pick.  I mean, technically they were "last place"... because they were 7-9 and tied with the three non-Atlanta teams for last.  Also means they were second place.  And 2012 was a completely lost season.
 
2013-08-14 04:37:32 PM
Browns or Bucs, though if it's the Bucs no one in Tampa will know because of the TV blackout rules.
 
2013-08-14 05:08:20 PM

Wadded Beef: justtray: Wadded Beef: IAmRight: If I had to pick a division, I'd obviously go with the NFC South. It's nice to have three teams to choose from AND a division with a history of a lot of worst-to-first finishes.

If I had to pick a team, I'd probably go with the Lions or Chiefs. I have no idea what's up with the Lions and it's possible that their season from two years ago better represents their capabilities than last year. I wouldn't go crazy and expect them to win the Super Bowl, but it's not crazy to think that the Packers might have issues due to not fielding a defense and that Minnesota probably isn't going to get 2000+ yards out of Peterson again and the Bears still have Cutler, so they'll always be middling.

The Chiefs have talent (see Pro Bowl rosters), they upgraded at QB and at HC, and their division sucks except for one team, which is relying on an old QB and are basically f*cked if he goes. The Cardinals would have the same thing with the talent, upgrades at QB and HC...but their division is not going to let them have anything.

I'd like it to be the Bills but I think they're a year or two away.

/if they cut my boy Brandon Kaufman then f*ck the Bills and I hope they lose =D

Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.

Ya thats not happening.

They have no line on either side of the ball.

It blows me away that with the D-line talent they've drafted  they're middle-of the-league at best in sacks and rush D last year.


Cliff Avril is trash, and Vanden Bosch should have retired 2 years ago.  What's hard to understand?
 
2013-08-14 05:19:57 PM
Saints followed by Iggles in terms of likelihood. Bills maybe? I can see the Pats regressing at last.
 
2013-08-14 05:29:23 PM
Brady hurt at practice today... if it is serious that gives the Bills or Jets a chance.
 
2013-08-14 05:32:12 PM
To those who think the Browns... No.

They've got no depth.
They're in a division with three playoff contenders and are staged for a rip roaring surge to maybe near .500.
The Bengals will make a solid push for the division.
The Ravens have the makings of a very good defense and may wind up with a passable semblance of an offense.
The Steelers have injury issues already, but actually have a running back and may have an O-line this year.

Not gonna happen.
 
2013-08-14 05:35:58 PM

wombatsrus: Brady hurt at practice today... if it is serious that gives the Bills or Jets a chance.


Apparently he limped off the field on his own, missed ONE play, and finished the drill before calling it quits for the day.

I'll not be holding my breath for the Pats and their stupidly cake schedule (as always).
 
2013-08-14 05:44:07 PM

CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.


You stay gold, Pony Boy.
 
2013-08-14 05:47:30 PM
ITT People underestimating the Bucs defense.
 
2013-08-14 05:55:56 PM
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I can tell you it won't be the Eagles. We needed to get rid of Reid and his stale ideas, but Kelly won't cut it in the NFL. We'll be in the basement for the next 4-5 years until the next regime.

Current problems:

Switch to 3-4 defense without the personnel. We don't have a real nose tackle (as evidenced by how badly we got manhandled by the Patriots the other night.) Teams will be able to run right down the D's throat, making it harder to get the offense back on the field to try and catch up.

A secondary that wasn't really addressed in the draft, and with bums like Nate Allen and Patrick Chung at safety it's only going to get worse than last year.

Offensive Stability. The longer Kelly plays the QB carousel game, the worse it will be. The line needs to get used to different protections based on who is under center, and receivers aren't getting the time to gel with whoever is throwing passes.

Kelly is also making the classic college coach move of bringing in his old college guys, scrubs and practice squad members from other teams and expecting them to contribute.

This team has 3-13 written all over them
 
2013-08-14 06:14:59 PM

Doogled: Wadded Beef: justtray: Wadded Beef: IAmRight: If I had to pick a division, I'd obviously go with the NFC South. It's nice to have three teams to choose from AND a division with a history of a lot of worst-to-first finishes.

If I had to pick a team, I'd probably go with the Lions or Chiefs. I have no idea what's up with the Lions and it's possible that their season from two years ago better represents their capabilities than last year. I wouldn't go crazy and expect them to win the Super Bowl, but it's not crazy to think that the Packers might have issues due to not fielding a defense and that Minnesota probably isn't going to get 2000+ yards out of Peterson again and the Bears still have Cutler, so they'll always be middling.

The Chiefs have talent (see Pro Bowl rosters), they upgraded at QB and at HC, and their division sucks except for one team, which is relying on an old QB and are basically f*cked if he goes. The Cardinals would have the same thing with the talent, upgrades at QB and HC...but their division is not going to let them have anything.

I'd like it to be the Bills but I think they're a year or two away.

/if they cut my boy Brandon Kaufman then f*ck the Bills and I hope they lose =D

Lions are the sixth seed in the NFC playoffs this year.  Book it.

Ya thats not happening.

They have no line on either side of the ball.

It blows me away that with the D-line talent they've drafted  they're middle-of the-league at best in sacks and rush D last year.

Cliff Avril is trash, and Vanden Bosch should have retired 2 years ago.  What's hard to understand?


That Cliff Avril, who's averaged double-digit sacks the last two years and forced 8 fumbles is "trash."
 
2013-08-14 06:15:45 PM

Klivian: Kelly is also making the classic college coach move of bringing in his old college guys, scrubs and practice squad members from other teams and expecting them to contribute.


So he's bringing in a bunch of people to camp and having them compete for jobs? This is unlike every other team...how?

What a stupid reason to be down on them.

Good reason to be down on them: Maclin is injured, so they have one good WR who has a history of injuries of his own, and they don't have much talent, well, anywhere on the field. They're gonna be sh*tty, but it has nothing to do with Kelly.
 
2013-08-14 06:17:18 PM

Wadded Beef: That Cliff Avril, who's averaged double-digit sacks the last two years and forced 8 fumbles is "trash."


I'm sure the Lions will get better at sacking the QB this year now that Avril signed with the Seahawks.
 
2013-08-14 06:25:25 PM
Chiefs imo, they're a physically tough team that just needs better QBing and better leadership, they remind me a lot of the 2011 49ers and i think the Broncos' offseason moves haven't necessarily made them that much better as to be unbeatable... i don't think the Raiders or Chargers will be able to compete either, so that opens the door for the Chiefs to move up anyways

Jags no way, that team is a burning dumpster

the Browns will definitely be better, but 1st place in the AFC North is a major uphill climb that takes years, that division is loaded

i'd have to see the Bills in the regular season, everybody looks better or worse than they really are in the preseason so it's not an indicator of anything, no way the Jets get 1st either, so no worse to first here, if anybody upsets the Pats it'd be the Pats themselves anyways but i guess the most likely replacement would be Miami

the Cards might have a better record this year but the NFC West is like the AFC North - way too loaded to go worst-to-first in one year, not to mention who is their QB?

the Giants will run into super bowl host curse, and i think the Redskins will regress in winning % even if they remain competitive, Eagles will probably all be injured by the end of the season so that leaves the Cowboys who weren't the worst in the division anyways but i guess the Eagles could still win the division because Romo gonna Romo

i dunno about NFC South, any of those teams are better than the Fauxcans

Lions? nope
 
2013-08-14 06:25:50 PM

Klivian: As a lifelong Eagles fan, I can tell you it won't be the Eagles. We needed to get rid of Reid and his stale ideas, but Kelly won't cut it in the NFL.


As another Eagles fan, I concur.
 
2013-08-14 06:36:47 PM
LOL. Lions.  Yeah, right.
 
2013-08-14 06:37:54 PM

Deneb81: To those who think the Browns... No.

They've got no depth.
They're in a division with three playoff contenders and are staged for a rip roaring surge to maybe near .500.
The Bengals will make a solid push for the division.
The Ravens have the makings of a very good defense and may wind up with a passable semblance of an offense.
The Steelers have injury issues already, but actually have a running back and may have an O-line this year.

Not gonna happen.


Came here to say this. The Browns are SOL as long as they're in this division.

/WhoDey!
 
2013-08-14 06:43:36 PM

Cybernetic: Klivian: As a lifelong Eagles fan, I can tell you it won't be the Eagles. We needed to get rid of Reid and his stale ideas, but Kelly won't cut it in the NFL.

As another Eagles fan, I concur.


Could be worse you guys could have gotten Dennis Erickson as a coach.
 
2013-08-14 07:04:23 PM

Wadded Beef: That Cliff Avril, who's averaged double-digit sacks the last two years and forced 8 fumbles is "trash."


Avril rarely did shiat in run support since he frequently put himself out of position.  In addition, Suh and (later in the season) Fairley were given a majority of the attention from the offensive line.  So yeah, if you're a huge negative against the run and only get 9.5 sacks with Suh and Fairley next to you, you're trash.  There's a reason he's making about half of what he thinks he should be making.
 
2013-08-14 07:17:16 PM
Deneb81: To those who think the Browns... No. They've got no depth. They're in a division with three playoff contenders and are staged for a rip roaring surge to maybe near .500. The Bengals will make a solid push for the division. The Ravens have the makings of a very good defense and may wind up with a passable semblance of an offense. The Steelers have injury issues already, but actually have a running back and may have an O-line this year. Not gonna happen.
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Honestly, I'm going with the Bengals to win the division with the Ravens to get a wildcard.

Steelers won't get anywhere near the playoffs even healthy. They unloaded and are in rebuilding phase. They won't suck, but anything better than 9-7 isn't happening and I say this as a BIG Steelers fan.

Ravens won the freaking super bowl... though, that doesn't mean much. Steelers missed the playoffs the next year both times they won the super bowl last decade. But still, they're a darn good team. I vote them in the playoffs.

Bengals are getting better and better. Perhaps they might actually win a playoff game now!

Browns will just suck it up as usual.
 
2013-08-14 07:22:13 PM
Saints, baby!  Peyton'll get us to the dance this year or next for sure, depending on how quickly he can whip our defense into shape.
 
2013-08-14 07:22:28 PM

IAmRight: Klivian: Kelly is also making the classic college coach move of bringing in his old college guys, scrubs and practice squad members from other teams and expecting them to contribute.

So he's bringing in a bunch of people to camp and having them compete for jobs? This is unlike every other team...how?

What a stupid reason to be down on them.

Good reason to be down on them: Maclin is injured, so they have one good WR who has a history of injuries of his own, and they don't have much talent, well, anywhere on the field. They're gonna be sh*tty, but it has nothing to do with Kelly.


Anyone writing of Chip after one preseason game is just a typical Philly douchebag sports fan.
 
2013-08-14 07:25:10 PM

Doogled: Wadded Beef: That Cliff Avril, who's averaged double-digit sacks the last two years and forced 8 fumbles is "trash."

Avril rarely did shiat in run support since he frequently put himself out of position.  In addition, Suh and (later in the season) Fairley were given a majority of the attention from the offensive line.  So yeah, if you're a huge negative against the run and only get 9.5 sacks with Suh and Fairley next to you, you're trash.  There's a reason he's making about half of what he thinks he should be making.


Which is kind of what I mean. Suh, Fairley...Avril picking up some decent stats thanks to those two...how was this D-line not BETTER?
 
2013-08-14 07:40:05 PM

Wadded Beef: Doogled: Wadded Beef: That Cliff Avril, who's averaged double-digit sacks the last two years and forced 8 fumbles is "trash."

Avril rarely did shiat in run support since he frequently put himself out of position.  In addition, Suh and (later in the season) Fairley were given a majority of the attention from the offensive line.  So yeah, if you're a huge negative against the run and only get 9.5 sacks with Suh and Fairley next to you, you're trash.  There's a reason he's making about half of what he thinks he should be making.

Which is kind of what I mean. Suh, Fairley...Avril picking up some decent stats thanks to those two...how was this D-line not BETTER?


Right.  Avril was living in a DE's wet dream and only put up decent stats, while Bosch was a non-factor.  That's 2 of the 4 severely underperforming below the average starting DE replacement.
 
2013-08-14 07:52:04 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As an Eagles season ticket holder I assure you I am not putting money aside for a pre-Christmas playoff ticket invoice.


I think their offense will be exciting, but the defense is going to cost them a few games. Another draft and free agency period where they get more 3/4 players, and it should be better.
At least they should be improved on special teams.

CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.


I'm actually picking the Bengals.
 
2013-08-14 08:06:27 PM

SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.


Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.
 
2013-08-14 08:10:19 PM

AdamK: the Cards might have a better record this year but the NFC West is like the AFC North - way too loaded to go worst-to-first in one year, not to mention who is their QB?


Carson Palmer is the starter and that's not in dispute. The coach won't let it be a discussion.

Seriously, I like the Cardinals this year. But as you said, the NFC West is too tough to go from dead last to the top, unless the 49ers and Seahawks fall apart. The Cards can compete for the last Wild Card spot, but that's the best case scenario and no one down here really expects that this year. More likely, they're an 7-9 or 8-8 team and that might be just good enough to be the best of the last place teams in the NFL.
 
2013-08-14 08:28:22 PM

CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.


That's by definition not worst to first...
 
2013-08-14 08:32:17 PM

Deneb81: CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.

That's by definition not worst to first...


THERE'S LEGITIMATE POSSIBILITY OF FIRST
 
2013-08-14 08:34:36 PM

CavalierEternal: Deneb81: CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.

That's by definition not worst to first...

THERE'S LEGITIMATE POSSIBILITY OF FIRST


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're SERIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-08-14 08:35:54 PM
Chiefs, Saints, Bucs, Panthers, in that order.

I really like what the Chiefs have done, and I don't think the Broncos are as good as everyone thinks.  Their defense was weakened this offseason, while I don't think their offense is going to be much better than it was last year.  Welker is better than Stokely, but rookie running backs are a 50/50 proposition at being productive starters.  11-6 can win the division, and I think the Chiefs can go 11-6.

I think the NFC South is going to be an absolute dogfight this year.  All four teams could win the division, all four could finish dead last.  I think three can win 9 games.  The question is, which three teams?  I'm going to PVR lots of NFC South games to watch this season.

Hell, thinking about it, all four NFC divisions could be highly entertaining this year.  I'm going to pick Green Bay, Seattle, Dallas, and the Saints to win their divisions, but I can tell you I'm going to be wrong on two or three of those picks.

/man, I can't wait for the NFL to kick off!
 
2013-08-14 08:39:14 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: CavalierEternal: Deneb81: CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.

That's by definition not worst to first...

THERE'S LEGITIMATE POSSIBILITY OF FIRST

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're SERIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


I really hope you're not laughing because you think the broken, aging shell of the Pittsburgh Steelers has a chance in the North this season.
 
2013-08-14 08:53:35 PM
I want the Browns to make the playoffs and then lose in a horrible manner. Because.
 
2013-08-14 08:56:33 PM

CavalierEternal: Adolf Oliver Nipples: CavalierEternal: Deneb81: CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.

That's by definition not worst to first...

THERE'S LEGITIMATE POSSIBILITY OF FIRST

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're SERIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I really hope you're not laughing because you think the broken, aging shell of the Pittsburgh Steelers has a chance in the North this season.


No, though they have a better shot at it than the Browns do. Only you could get happy about yet another unproven first-year coach like he's the guy that will pull the browns out of the morass. I mean, so much has changed since last year, right? You've got an owner that is as likely as not to be doing a perp walk in the next 5 years, you've got a quarterback who was old before he ever took a snap, and the browns still play in the Factory of Sadness. It's an institutional commitment to failure, and it's all going to change, they will suddenly, overnight, become division winners because of the new coach?

Oh, and that broken, aging shell now has a young offensive line, a coveted rookie running back who promises to be light years better than Spindenhall was, and a solid (though aging in some places) defense. Plus, they're not the Browns.

How many times do the Browns have to crush your hopes and dreams before you realize that that's all they'll ever do?
 
2013-08-14 09:21:45 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: CavalierEternal: Adolf Oliver Nipples: CavalierEternal: Deneb81: CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.

That's by definition not worst to first...

THERE'S LEGITIMATE POSSIBILITY OF FIRST

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're SERIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I really hope you're not laughing because you think the broken, aging shell of the Pittsburgh Steelers has a chance in the North this season.

No, though they have a better shot at it than the Browns do. Only you could get happy about yet another unproven first-year coach like he's the guy that will pull the browns out of the morass. I mean, so much has changed since last year, right? You've got an owner that is as likely as not to be doing a perp walk in the next 5 years, you've got a quarterback who was old before he ever took a snap, and the browns still play in the Factory of Sadness. It's an institutional commitment to failure, and it's all going to change, they will suddenly, overnight, become division winners because of the new coach?

Oh, and that broken, aging shell now has a young offensive line, a coveted rookie running back who promises to be light years better than Spindenhall was, and a solid (though aging in some places) defense. Plus, they're not the Browns.

How many times do the Browns have to crush your hopes and dreams before you realize that that's all they'll ever do?


Okay, let's go through this point by point.

Only you could get happy about yet another unproven first-year coach like he's the guy that will pull the browns out of the morass. I mean, so much has changed since last year, right?

Yes, actually. The entire front office has been flipped since the end of last season, we've got an entirely new coaching staff, totally new systems on offense and defense, it's all been overhauled.

You've got an owner that is as likely as not to be doing a perp walk in the next 5 years

Wrong again, as settlements have already been reached with the majority of those companies that had filed charges against Pilot Flying J. At most, Haslam would likely be fined by the FFC and, if by some strange twist he ended up being the first multi-billionaire in decades to end up imprisoned in the United States, the other billionaires in the Haslam family have already been named in the contingency plan to allow for continued operation of the franchise. The entire Haslam fraud case is a non-issue for Cleveland.

you've got a quarterback who was old before he ever took a snap

And? Maybe this is a legitimate argument five or six years down the road, but nothing in regards to his age will keep him from succeeding this season.

and the browns still play in the Factory of Sadness.

Well, the stadium is still packed every Sunday and the field still fits the necessary dimensions required by the NFL, so I'm not sure what you're point here is.

 It's an institutional commitment to failure, and it's all going to change, they will suddenly, overnight, become division winners because of the new coach?

Who said that this had happened overnight? This team's been developing on both sides for years. The record may not have shown it, mostly due to abysmal coaching hires by the previous front offices, but they've been developing young, quality talent for the past few years. The high majority of the players on this team are going into their third or fourth seasons. Any success we have from here on didn't happen overnight, it's the result of a process that began at the end of the Romeo Crennel era and has continued on for the past five years.

Oh, and that broken, aging shell now has a young offensive line, a coveted rookie running back who promises to be light years better than Spindenhall was, and a solid (though aging in some places) defense

Alright, well young is fine, but the fact that 3/5ths of them are either unproven or worse and the other 2/5ths of the line have been unable to stay healthy in their short careers doesn't bode well for them, plus the depth on the line once they do go down is laughable. If Bell were "coveted", he wouldn't have been there halfway through the second round. Oh, and the defense? Those "places" where they're aging make up about 9 out of the 11 positions on the defense.

Now, add this up with an offense that barely had any receivers left before Burress went down, is still going to miss Heath Miller for a good chunk of the year and hasn't had Ben Roethlisberger make it through a full season in five years and one could probably make the safe bet that the Steelers will be lucky to stay out of the AFC North basement this season.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-14 09:51:53 PM

Klivian: As a lifelong Eagles fan, I can tell you it won't be the Eagles. We needed to get rid of Reid and his stale ideas, but Kelly won't cut it in the NFL. We'll be in the basement for the next 4-5 years until the next regime.

Current problems:

Switch to 3-4 defense without the personnel. We don't have a real nose tackle (as evidenced by how badly we got manhandled by the Patriots the other night.) Teams will be able to run right down the D's throat, making it harder to get the offense back on the field to try and catch up.

A secondary that wasn't really addressed in the draft, and with bums like Nate Allen and Patrick Chung at safety it's only going to get worse than last year.

Offensive Stability. The longer Kelly plays the QB carousel game, the worse it will be. The line needs to get used to different protections based on who is under center, and receivers aren't getting the time to gel with whoever is throwing passes.

Kelly is also making the classic college coach move of bringing in his old college guys, scrubs and practice squad members from other teams and expecting them to contribute.

The team's coaching staff includes the former Browns linebackers coach as defensive coordinator, and the former Browns head coach -- a man so stupid he made me wonder how he dressed himself in the morning -- as the offensive coordinator.

This team has 3-13 Dumpster fire written all over them


FTFY
 
2013-08-14 09:57:07 PM
I'd have to disagree with the Lions. There's too much talent in the rest of the Norris Division for them to have a real shot at upsetting the Pack, Bears AND Vikes. I just dont' see it.

Saints would be my bet, with a couple side-bucks on the Chefs if Peyton didn't finish the year. The Browns D looks good but, even with Norvilicious, I don't have faith in that offense.
 
2013-08-14 10:08:44 PM

xaks: I'd have to disagree with the Lions. There's too much talent in the rest of the Norris Division for them to have a real shot at upsetting the Pack, Bears AND Vikes. I just dont' see it.

Saints would be my bet, with a couple side-bucks on the Chefs if Peyton didn't finish the year. The Browns D looks good but, even with Norvilicious, I don't have faith in that offense.


The Vikes are suspect at best at QB. not even AP can carry them over Derroit 2 years in a row.
 
2013-08-14 10:32:02 PM

SilentStrider: xaks: I'd have to disagree with the Lions. There's too much talent in the rest of the Norris Division for them to have a real shot at upsetting the Pack, Bears AND Vikes. I just dont' see it.

Saints would be my bet, with a couple side-bucks on the Chefs if Peyton didn't finish the year. The Browns D looks good but, even with Norvilicious, I don't have faith in that offense.

The Vikes are suspect at best at QB. not even AP can carry them over Derroit 2 years in a row.


There is something to be said for your points, and Ponder does, indeed, suck. But, three things:

One: AP can certainly carry them. I actually wish the Packs' defense would have let him run 10 more yards in that last outing *just* so he could get the record. I may not like his moral choices, but I can't take an iota away from what he does on the field and how he prepares.

Two, Jared Allen and those linebackers. The latter are tackling *machines* and Jared Allen is as close to unstoppable as you can get from his position.

Three: You don't have a 2000+ yard rusher, even if it's AP, without a really good oline. An oline good enough to block for 1500+ year in and year out like they do for AP means they're decent pass blocking too, at least. A good line means a real shot at every game.

You put that all together and add in a kicking game that's very young but very, VERY good and you have a team that'll make you earn every point, regardless. Do not overlook the Vikes. Ponder is their weakness, but much of the rest of the team is actually pretty damn solid.
 
2013-08-15 12:10:04 AM

CavalierEternal: Adolf Oliver Nipples: CavalierEternal: Deneb81: CavalierEternal: SilentStrider: CavalierEternal: If Brandon Weeden plays half as well as he did in the first preseason game, the Browns could take the North.

I'm actually picking the Bengals.

Oh, I will absolutely be picking the Bengals to win the AFC North this year. All's I'm saying is that the Browns have the pieces in place now, having finally assembled a legitimate coaching staff and developed most of their players on both sides of the ball, that if Weeden takes a step forward this season and is comfortable in Norv & Chud's offense, they could be like the Bengals of two years ago who hung tough in the division and managed to back into a Wild Card playoff.

That's by definition not worst to first...

THERE'S LEGITIMATE POSSIBILITY OF FIRST

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're SERIOUS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I really hope you're not laughing because you think the broken, aging shell of the Pittsburgh Steelers has a chance in the North this season.


Good luck with Norv. I like him. I hope Cleveland can do something with him other than set a rivers on fire.
 
2013-08-15 04:22:19 AM
From the list... Saints first... Jeez Chiefs probably second, Bucs third. Weak crop, except for the saints and fark them.
 
2013-08-16 03:22:22 AM
I would like someone to explain to me why exactly they think the cardinals are really improved and could be a contender if they weren't in such a tough division. Carson Palmer? Really? That's the savior. Okay then.

6-10. Maybe.
 
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