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(Yahoo)   "Doctors without Borders" draws the line at Somalia   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 111
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2013-08-14 02:38:10 PM
That is sad, but I understand completely.

/MSF is one of the few organizations that I am a money donor supporter of.
 
2013-08-14 02:56:07 PM
Did they wipe off on the curtains before they left?
 
2013-08-14 02:56:09 PM
This is why they can't have nice health care.
 
2013-08-14 02:56:39 PM
They should rename themselves "Doctors With a Border" now.
 
2013-08-14 02:58:14 PM
I wonder how many people in Somalia wish the slave trade still existed?
 
2013-08-14 02:58:18 PM
FTA: The pullout goes against the narrative of a Somalia emerging from decades of anarchy and violence amid military gains against Islamist insurgents, but it underscores the violence that persists.

That narrative sure seems like a tale of lies given to Western ears.  The Islamist insurgents in question are only stronger and hold a larger chunk of Africa.

Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Something about hating both groups, not caring, and fear of sounding like a bigot, I presume.
 
2013-08-14 02:58:33 PM
I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.
 
2013-08-14 02:58:49 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: They should rename themselves "Doctors With a Border" now.


Or "Doctors Without Death-wishes"
 
2013-08-14 03:00:01 PM
I also donate to them, a great organization although they do send you a lot of shiat that you don't need if you are a donor, i've gotten big huge maps and bumper stickers  and whatnot.
 
2013-08-14 03:01:01 PM

oldfarthenry: The All-Powerful Atheismo: They should rename themselves "Doctors With a Border" now.

Or "Doctors Without Death-wishes"


Doctors Without Gunshot Wounds
 
2013-08-14 03:01:47 PM

Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.



A number of these already exist.  They go by the names of "witch doctors" and "human smugglers"
 
2013-08-14 03:02:51 PM
Another violent country with Muslims at the wheel........I'm sorry Religion of Peace TM. Pull out of these countries and let the people tear themselves apart. It's the country they want and the country they deserve.
 
2013-08-14 03:03:01 PM

vernonFL: That is sad, but I understand completely.



Yeah.  It's too bad.  Those poor schmucks need doctors more that just about anyone, but there's a limit to how much danger DWB can ask their volunteers to assume.  I wish them good fortune administering aid to other desperate patients.

/This sucks.
 
2013-08-14 03:03:17 PM

Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.


Not as long as the "government", i.e. the civilian leadership mentioned in the article, is condoning and supporting attacks on the medical facilities.  That kind of gets in the way of the free market, don't you think?
 
2013-08-14 03:03:28 PM

NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.


Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.
 
2013-08-14 03:03:37 PM
When a Nobel Peace Prize-winning group of doctors decides to look the other way on the Hippocratic Oath and go "seriously, fark the lot of you", you've done a bad thing.
 
2013-08-14 03:05:37 PM

Treygreen13: oldfarthenry: The All-Powerful Atheismo: They should rename themselves "Doctors With a Border" now.

Or "Doctors Without Death-wishes"

Doctors Without Gunshot Wounds


Doctors  Ah, Ah, Ah, Ah, Stayin' Ali-i-i-i-ive
 
2013-08-14 03:05:41 PM
Literally* "Without Borders?"

*not literally.
 
2013-08-14 03:07:07 PM
They just need proper protection

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2013-08-14 03:07:11 PM

Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.


Really?
 
2013-08-14 03:08:55 PM
In fairness, they never said "Doctors without ANY Borders."
 
2013-08-14 03:08:58 PM
That's not very libertarian of them.
 
2013-08-14 03:09:28 PM

RickN99: Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.

Not as long as the "government", i.e. the civilian leadership mentioned in the article, is condoning and supporting attacks on the medical facilities.  That kind of gets in the way of the free market, don't you think?


To be fair, that was mostly snark in an attempt to stir up shiat in a Somalia thread. If we want to address that seriously, though, the supposed central government of Somalia is so disparate and nominally in control, that really they should be thought of as a minor group of individual actors within the overall market structure that is now Somalia. So in effect it's no different than a rival company going "hey, crazy guys with guns and machetes, attack my foreign devil competition!". Which is what you logically would have in Government-Free Playland.

FrancoFile: Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.


A number of these already exist.  They go by the names of "witch doctors" and "human smugglers"


The market works!
 
2013-08-14 03:09:51 PM
When Doctors Without Borders says.. Okay... pack up.  Your country truly is a ****hole
 
2013-08-14 03:09:52 PM

Cagey B: NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.


He may be simplifying an awful lot, but he's not completely off the mark.  It's a religious fight, and right not the Muslims have the upper hand for now.  I don't want to paint the Christians as totally innocent, but they're doing a lot less of the killing.

Back to the topic at hand, is there a way MSF could help out without being present?  Air dropping first aid kits or something?
 
2013-08-14 03:10:27 PM

Treygreen13: Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.

Really?


Not really. But kind of.
 
2013-08-14 03:10:35 PM

DubyaHater: Another violent country with Muslims at the wheel........I'm sorry Religion of Peace TM. Pull out of these countries and let the people tear themselves apart. It's the country they want and the country they deserve.


Unfortunately, like all the major religions, one of its mandates is to spread to every living being and remove those who do not abide rather than just accept or ignore.
 
2013-08-14 03:11:21 PM

fireclown: He may be simplifying an awful lot, but he's not completely off the mark. It's a religious fight, and right not the Muslims have the upper hand for now. I don't want to paint the Christians as totally innocent, but they're doing a lot less of the killing.


How many Christians do you think are in Somalia?
 
2013-08-14 03:11:50 PM
Somali pirates often board ships. therefore doctors without boarders would make more sense.
 
2013-08-14 03:11:52 PM

NostroZ: you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark


Yes, you would. In fact, you just did. In that article you're quoting that you read because you found it on Fark. What malfunction does your brain have that allows you to post something that contradicts itself without noticing?
 
2013-08-14 03:12:55 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-14 03:14:19 PM

NostroZ: FTA: The pullout goes against the narrative of a Somalia emerging from decades of anarchy and violence amid military gains against Islamist insurgents, but it underscores the violence that persists.

That narrative sure seems like a tale of lies given to Western ears.  The Islamist insurgents in question are only stronger and hold a larger chunk of Africa.

Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Something about hating both groups, not caring, and fear of sounding like a bigot, I presume.


It's the mods and liberals man. Anytime you say something bad about those Islamists they come down on you like ton of bricks, but talk shiat about Christians all you want, because nobody cares.
 
2013-08-14 03:15:35 PM
Doctors Without Borders is one of my favorite Peter Gabriel songs.
 
2013-08-14 03:16:24 PM

vernonFL: MSF is one of the few organizations that I am a money donor supporter of


Moi aussi.

It's pretty much them, AmeriCares, the PLF in Cambodia, a local food bank, and a women & children's shelter.

All are staffed by good people doing truly admirable things on a razor-tight budget.
 
2013-08-14 03:16:45 PM
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2013-08-14 03:16:49 PM
Only a matter of time before the cut off the arms of inoculated children
 
2013-08-14 03:19:01 PM
I like this organization, but sometimes they're too stupid for their own good.  You cannot send westerners into places that preach that all westerners are monsters to be killed and expect everything will be all sweetness and light just because you're doctors and are trying to help.
 
2013-08-14 03:20:24 PM

Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.


Well, Somalia is a libertarian paradise. No government, no taxes, and everyone has guns.

I'm sure it'll all work out fine. As you say, government has gotten out of the way of the free market.
 
2013-08-14 03:22:15 PM

Pfft, good riddens to socialized medicine. Healthcare should not exist without someone profiting from it.


RON PAUL
 
2013-08-14 03:22:43 PM

Cagey B: NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.


Is this how you talk with people?  Or are you just having a bad day and attempting to externalize it through abusive language directed at strangers???  I worked retail... I've met many folks like you.

If you want to have a conversation about the militancy of Islam in that part of the world, I'll be here... otherwise, feel free to continue with your egocentric masturbation of your unrequited emotions.
 
2013-08-14 03:23:47 PM
Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

Well, Somalia is a libertarian paradise. No government, no taxes, and everyone has guns.

I'm sure it'll all work out fine. As you say, government has gotten out of the way of the free market.


Now without free healthcare.  It is even better for libertarians than before!
 
2013-08-14 03:25:32 PM

Gosling: When a Nobel Peace Prize-winning group of doctors decides to look the other way on the Hippocratic Oath and go "seriously, fark the lot of you", you've done a bad thing.


1. What part of the Hippocratic Oath requires you to risk your own life?
2. I wonder if anyone remembers the Hippocratic Oath forbids surgery and abortion.
 
2013-08-14 03:27:08 PM
You mean Doctors don't like getting killed while performing acts of incredible kindness and decency..  Who knew?  WTF is their problem?
 
2013-08-14 03:31:59 PM

NostroZ: Cagey B: NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.

Is this how you talk with people?  Or are you just having a bad day and attempting to externalize it through abusive language directed at strangers???  I worked retail... I've met many folks like you.

If you want to have a conversation about the militancy of Islam in that part of the world, I'll be here... otherwise, feel free to continue with your egocentric masturbation of your unrequited emotions.


It's not that you're racist for bring up islam and terror, it's that all the other people who did are almost always Fark Independents with thinly-veiled racism.

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck...
 
2013-08-14 03:32:25 PM

NostroZ: Cagey B: NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.

Is this how you talk with people?  Or are you just having a bad day and attempting to externalize it through abusive language directed at strangers???  I worked retail... I've met many folks like you.

If you want to have a conversation about the militancy of Islam in that part of the world, I'll be here... otherwise, feel free to continue with your egocentric masturbation of your unrequited emotions.


Your hurt feelings won't make your statements any less idiotic. Oh, and welcome to Fark.
 
2013-08-14 03:32:52 PM
Maybe they can come to America. Plenty of people here need healthcare and live in third world conditions.
 
2013-08-14 03:34:07 PM

Cagey B: NostroZ: Cagey B: NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.

Is this how you talk with people?  Or are you just having a bad day and attempting to externalize it through abusive language directed at strangers???  I worked retail... I've met many folks like you.

If you want to have a conversation about the militancy of Islam in that part of the world, I'll be here... otherwise, feel free to continue with your egocentric masturbation of your unrequited emotions.

Your hurt feelings won't make your statements any less idiotic. Oh, and welcome to Fark.


I've been to Fark for half a decade and jack-off like you are what makes this place reek of teenage angst.

Please find a different outlet for your douchebag opinions...  around the dinner table at Thanksgiving seems to be the perfect time to piss people off.
 
2013-08-14 03:35:16 PM

NostroZ: Cagey B: NostroZ: Cagey B: NostroZ: Yet, you'd never hear about this ethnic divide here on Fark... white people are afraid to talk about Arab Muslims killing Black Christians.

Please, tell us all about the ethnic and religious demographics of Somalia. I'm sure you're not talking completely out of your ass.

Is this how you talk with people?  Or are you just having a bad day and attempting to externalize it through abusive language directed at strangers???  I worked retail... I've met many folks like you.

If you want to have a conversation about the militancy of Islam in that part of the world, I'll be here... otherwise, feel free to continue with your egocentric masturbation of your unrequited emotions.

Your hurt feelings won't make your statements any less idiotic. Oh, and welcome to Fark.

I've been to Fark for half a decade and jack-off like you are what makes this place reek of teenage angst.

Please find a different outlet for your douchebag opinions...  around the dinner table at Thanksgiving seems to be the perfect time to piss people off.


You sure people would even invite him to these gatherings?
 
2013-08-14 03:35:28 PM

zerkalo: cut off the arms of inoculated children


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Sees what you did there.

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Gosling: When a Nobel Peace Prize-winning group of doctors decides to look the other way on the Hippocratic Oath and go "seriously, fark the lot of you", you've done a bad thing.


THIS and it's also very sad.
 
2013-08-14 03:35:50 PM

Cagey B: I'm sure a privately-operated organization will arise to respond to the Somali population's need for medical attention. The market demands it.


But the market can't afford it.
 
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