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(AP)   So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye: Army Pfc. Bradley Manning is set to speak at his sentencing hearing today   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 214
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2013-08-14 10:54:28 AM  
Nice headline subby!
 
2013-08-14 10:55:51 AM  
Watch your cornhole, dude.
 
2013-08-14 11:21:46 AM  
The outcome was decided before the court martial convened.  Ain't nothing left but the shootin', as they say.
 
2013-08-14 11:50:26 AM  
He's an American Hero.
 
2013-08-14 12:00:32 PM  

Madbassist1: He's an American Hero.


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Mr. National Security Farker Upper
 
2013-08-14 12:06:36 PM  
I'm guessing 40 years.
 
2013-08-14 12:06:37 PM  

Nabb1: Watch your cornhole, dude.


They are going to plow him in the butt... but he's gay, so... you know.
 
2013-08-14 12:07:51 PM  
redacted
 
2013-08-14 12:08:11 PM  
Well, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, and have fun turning big rocks into little rocks.
 
2013-08-14 12:08:25 PM  

Nabb1: Watch your cornhole, dude.


Why?  Like the rest of him, its never seeing the light of day again
 
2013-08-14 12:09:10 PM  
An article about his gender identity problems. Great job American journalism.

Up next, more pictures of Snowden's girlfriend.
 
2013-08-14 12:09:47 PM  
I guess it depends on who you ask but around these parts of Oklahoma I think the news stations put up topics on their Facebook pages to see how many juicy comments they can get.  And the comments are pretty much the same, "traitor lock him up, execute him, etc. etc."  Every once in awhile you get one person who points out what he was intending to do and then the masses turn on them.

/ahh America
 
2013-08-14 12:10:45 PM  
shallow end of the gene pool
 
2013-08-14 12:11:49 PM  
TRAITOR
 
2013-08-14 12:12:56 PM  

Rand's lacy underwear: Madbassist1: He's an American Hero.

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Mr. National Security Farker Upper


Sure, whatever. I doubt they even proved that.
 
2013-08-14 12:14:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The outcome was decided before the court martial convened.  Ain't nothing left but the shootin', as they say.


Should have went to non extradition country like Snowden
 
2013-08-14 12:14:23 PM  
I expect a whole lot of 'but, the gub'mint!'
and less of
'I took an oath I couldn't keep, and gave away information that genuinely put my brothers and sisters in danger because I'm an attention whore'

there are a fdew graves at Benning that you aren't allowed to place flags on..
his SHOULD be one of them
 
2013-08-14 12:17:44 PM  
This is why we shouldn't trust transgendered people. Not even Gretchen Carlson, one of the brightest intellectual lights of our time, can wrap her head around this.
 
2013-08-14 12:18:46 PM  

Madbassist1: Rand's lacy underwear: Madbassist1: He's an American Hero.

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Mr. National Security Farker Upper

Sure, whatever. I doubt they even proved that.


if they wanted to be assholes about it, they could have just said he aided the enemy and killed him.

He may be going away for a long time, but I respect him for standing up to his charges like a man.
 
2013-08-14 12:19:55 PM  

FrancoFile: I'm guessing 40 years.


20.
 
2013-08-14 12:19:59 PM  
If only he'd committed some war crimes like those he exposed, he'd not be convicted of anything at all.
 
2013-08-14 12:20:17 PM  

Madbassist1: He's an American Hero.


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but not the greatest.
 
2013-08-14 12:20:21 PM  

super_grass: TRAITOR


Yes, George W Bush and Dick Cheney most certainly are.
And so is John Ashcroft.

Manning is more of a man than all three of those assholes, together.
 
2013-08-14 12:21:18 PM  

Nabb1: Watch your cornhole, dude.


I was under the impression that he might actually enjoy that sort of thing, and I wonder how much that contributed to his actions, remembering that they happened under the abortion of a policy called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".
 
2013-08-14 12:22:08 PM  
HERO
 
wee
2013-08-14 12:22:35 PM  
Ten bucks says he cries like a little girl.
 
2013-08-14 12:23:57 PM  
30 years would be my guess. But as many as farking forever could be a very real possibility.
 
2013-08-14 12:24:28 PM  
I wonder if that is why the New York Times website has apparently been hacked.
 
2013-08-14 12:25:50 PM  

ManateeGag: Madbassist1: Rand's lacy underwear: Madbassist1: He's an American Hero.

[krapps.com image 246x369]
Mr. National Security Farker Upper

Sure, whatever. I doubt they even proved that.

if they wanted to be assholes about it, they could have just said he aided the enemy and killed him.

He may be going away for a long time, but I respect him for standing up to his charges like a man.


He obvioulsy hardly feels uncomfortable in his own skin.  Didn't know where he fit in; is small and effete.  Taking it out on the military and on the US was a jackarsed thing to do.  I wouldn't exactly call him manly.
 
2013-08-14 12:27:06 PM  

Somacandra: I wonder if that is why the New York Times website has apparently been hacked.


i figured their site just sucked.
 
2013-08-14 12:27:13 PM  
Any sentence short of infinity in solitary is too short.
 
2013-08-14 12:27:15 PM  

r1niceboy: If only he'd committed some war crimes like those he exposed, he'd not be convicted of anything at all.


Remember, it's not a war crime if you don't declare war!

/Unless you're a 15-year-old child who kills an American soldier in a firefight.  Then it's a decade in GITMO.
 
2013-08-14 12:27:20 PM  
hardly feels uncomfortable
 
2013-08-14 12:27:28 PM  
I think he should be released immediately and I think the government should pay for sexual reassignment surgery.  After that she should have a damn ticker tape parade in NYC and treated like the hero he truly is.
 
2013-08-14 12:27:31 PM  

vudukungfu: super_grass: TRAITOR

Yes, George W Bush and Dick Cheney most certainly are.
And so is John Ashcroft.

Manning is more of a man than all three of those assholes, together.


No he isn't.

Had he only released individual pertinent documents that showed US malfeasance, like Edward Snowden, you might have a point.  He didn't do that:  He released roughly 750,000 classified documents without regard to their contents.   And he did it not so much for political reasons, but to strike back at an organization that he felt was persecuting him, possibly because of his sexual orientation (he's gay).

That's assholishness of the highest magnitude.  He's no hero.
 
2013-08-14 12:28:12 PM  
He'll get 30 years, busted to E-1, forfeit pay, and a dishonorable once he gets out.
 
2013-08-14 12:28:26 PM  

dittybopper: Nabb1: Watch your cornhole, dude.

I was under the impression that he might actually enjoy that sort of thing, and I wonder how much that contributed to his actions, remembering that they happened under the abortion of a policy called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".


Military prison, I thought they made you break big rocks into little rocks?
 
2013-08-14 12:30:02 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Any sentence short of infinity in solitary is too short.


So what's the appropriate sentence for Waging a war of Aggression, Torturin prisoners, and denying Geneva Convention rights to POWs?  Those are all war crimes.
 
2013-08-14 12:30:17 PM  
If he would have taken an oath of  "I will do everything I can to harm my fellow soldiers and my country to the best of my ability. I will take the first chance I have to get 15 minutes of fame to the best of my ability", then he would be golden, but he took another and he is a traitor.
 
2013-08-14 12:30:54 PM  
There are times when people must take actions in direct conflict with the law and the established power structure in order to enable a more just society to prevail. Sometimes, true revolutionaries are needed, and their actions may end up costing many lives.

The actions of Bradley Manning, to me, lack the clarity of purpose and societal impact to qualify as a necessary revolutionary action.
 
2013-08-14 12:31:05 PM  

FarkedOver: I think he should be released immediately and I think the government should pay for sexual reassignment surgery.  After that she should have a damn ticker tape parade in NYC and treated like the hero he truly is.


I think this should be done, but only half-way:  Remove his genitals surgically without giving him female ones, and deny him hormonal treatments.  Make him an it.  Do that as a condition of his release, and if he tries to get surgery to become one gender or the other, throw him back into prison for the rest of his miserable life.  He'd have to be in solitary, though, because since he'd be neither male nor female, you couldn't house him with either.
 
2013-08-14 12:31:17 PM  

dittybopper: vudukungfu: super_grass: TRAITOR

Yes, George W Bush and Dick Cheney most certainly are.
And so is John Ashcroft.

Manning is more of a man than all three of those assholes, together.

No he isn't.

Had he only released individual pertinent documents that showed US malfeasance, like Edward Snowden, you might have a point.  He didn't do that:  He released roughly 750,000 classified documents without regard to their contents.   And he did it not so much for political reasons, but to strike back at an organization that he felt was persecuting him, possibly because of his sexual orientation (he's gay).

That's assholishness of the highest magnitude.  He's no hero.


QFT   (Bushco were still arseholes however)
 
2013-08-14 12:31:19 PM  

Highroller48: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Any sentence short of infinity in solitary is too short.

So what's the appropriate sentence for Waging a war of Aggression, Torturin prisoners, and denying Geneva Convention rights to POWs?  Those are all war crimes.


the presidency?
 
2013-08-14 12:31:44 PM  

Highroller48: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Any sentence short of infinity in solitary is too short.

So what's the appropriate sentence for Waging a war of Aggression, Torturin prisoners, and denying Geneva Convention rights to POWs?  Those are all war crimes.


THAT'S DIFFERENT
 
2013-08-14 12:31:54 PM  
Bradley Manning had gender ID disorder: therefore his judgement should be questioned when it comes to shooting innocent people and the people who tried to drag them to safety. Or to the atrocities of war in general. Or the war crimes America is committing.

The stupid...it burns. The lack of logic is astounding.
 
2013-08-14 12:32:08 PM  

Highroller48: /Unless you're a 15-year-old child who kills an American soldier in a firefight.  Then it's a decade in GITMO.


Heh.  You do realize that there's basically two options here?
1.  He was an illegal combatant.  He can be tried for murder and imprisoned for the sentenced time.
2.  He was a legitimate combatant, in which case he can be held under the Geneva Conventions until the end of the conflict(or other sundry reasons).

The second requires no trial.

/Not that I'm happy with the reports of NOT following the conventions on the treatment of prisoners.
 
2013-08-14 12:32:28 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: I guess it depends on who you ask but around these parts of Oklahoma I think the news stations put up topics on their Facebook pages to see how many juicy comments they can get.  And the comments are pretty much the same, "traitor lock him up, execute him, etc. etc."  Every once in awhile you get one person who points out what he was intending to do and then the masses turn on them.

/ahh America


Yeah, I live in a pretty conservative part of Louisiana - we've got plenty of progressives, folks with alternative lifestyles, et cetera, but the redneckery abounds and dominates on the local TV station's Faceyspace page. I used to work with a guy who was a professional troll and he could set bait and land someone quicker than I've ever seen.
 
2013-08-14 12:32:28 PM  

pag1107: He'll get 30 years, busted to E-1, forfeit pay, and a dishonorable once he gets out.


I was actually hoping they'd Danny Deever him, but apparently that's off the table.
 
2013-08-14 12:34:45 PM  

dittybopper: vudukungfu: super_grass: TRAITOR

Yes, George W Bush and Dick Cheney most certainly are.
And so is John Ashcroft.

Manning is more of a man than all three of those assholes, together.

No he isn't.

Had he only released individual pertinent documents that showed US malfeasance, like Edward Snowden, you might have a point.  He didn't do that:  He released roughly 750,000 classified documents without regard to their contents.   And he did it not so much for political reasons, but to strike back at an organization that he felt was persecuting him, possibly because of his sexual orientation (he's gay).

That's assholishness of the highest magnitude.  He's no hero.


nope. hero. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. he didn't put anyone at risk that wasn't already doing shady shiat on my nickel and fark the CIA and the State Dept right in the ass for using diplomatic channels for their criminal ops.. We have a right to know what the government does, and anyone that says otherwise is fundamentally un-American. Move to China or Russia if that's what you like.

 Manning, Snowden, Ellsberg. Among others. Heroes.
 
2013-08-14 12:37:49 PM  

pag1107: and a dishonorable once he gets out.


Can someone explain the whole "dishonorable discharge" thing in the U.S.?  Everyone talks about it like it's some life-altering black cloud that ends your chances of getting a job or a loan or extra dipping sauce for your fries for the rest of your life.

My military service record is only even known to anyone if I tell them about it.  Sometimes I put it on my resume, sometimes I don't.  The details of my service in the Canadian navy, and the manner of my departure from the military is not a matter of public record as far as I know.  Had I been kicked out (I wasn't) it would be no one's business unless I tell them.  It wouldn't even show up in a background check for an employer (unless it was the Feds).

So, why does anyone give a fark about some word stamped on a military discharge?
 
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