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(NBC News) NewsFlash Egypt decides that it performs better when under crisis, sets military loose on protesters with tear gas and live ammo. 56 dead, 600+ injured so far   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 341
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2013-08-14 09:27:18 AM
See, this is Fartbama's way of staging an event to break up his staged golf game!  I knew it!  XD
 
2013-08-14 09:28:07 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: See, this is Fartbama's way of staging an event to break up his staged golf game!  I knew it!  XD


Whoa. I never thought about that before. HOLY CRAP! CONSPIRACY!
 
2013-08-14 09:28:48 AM
Well, that escalated... predictably.
 
2013-08-14 09:30:36 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Grand_Moff_Joseph: See, this is Fartbama's way of staging an event to break up his staged golf game!  I knew it!  XD

Whoa. I never thought about that before. HOLY CRAP! CONSPIRACY!


I'll bet they destroyed his score card, too. JUST LIKE HIS BIRF CERTIFCAT
 
2013-08-14 09:37:14 AM

Aarontology: cameroncrazy1984: Grand_Moff_Joseph: See, this is Fartbama's way of staging an event to break up his staged golf game!  I knew it!  XD

Whoa. I never thought about that before. HOLY CRAP! CONSPIRACY!

I'll bet they destroyed his score card, too. JUST LIKE HIS BIRF CERTIFCAT


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/In re: TFA, I'm sure this will end just swimmingly and won't result in further chaos as shiat goes full Syria
 
2013-08-14 09:37:15 AM
Anyone else seeing a lot of parallels with Iraq here?  Brutal dictator deposed, chaos ensues?
 
2013-08-14 09:39:14 AM

Slaxl: Well, that escalated... predictably.


It's (at least) the third time the Egyptian government has killed over 50 pro-Morsi supporters.  Massively disproportionate force is being used against them, in an attempt to crush a possible Syria before it ever arises.
 
2013-08-14 09:44:58 AM

Rincewind53: Slaxl: Well, that escalated... predictably.

It's (at least) the third time the Egyptian government has killed over 50 pro-Morsi supporters.  Massively disproportionate force is being used against them, in an attempt to crush a possible Syria before it ever arises.


Oh, so it hasn't escalated? It's plateaued? That might be worse I guess. Oh well. Chalk Egypt off the possible places to go on holiday for a long time.
 
2013-08-14 09:47:05 AM
I wrote off ever going to see Egypt many years ago.  I'm not rich enough for the security level needed to visit there.
 
2013-08-14 09:55:32 AM
F-I-R-E-I-N-C-A-I-R-O!
 
2013-08-14 09:55:42 AM
They just upped it to nearly 100 dead and more than 800 injured.

Also

www.taurusarmed.net
 
2013-08-14 09:56:10 AM
When your military has a long history of brutal crackdowns, and they give you a warning saying, "Hey, in a few days we'll be coming to crackdown on your protest. Be ready!", then you should probably heed it and leave.
 
2013-08-14 09:56:32 AM
Amazingly they couldn't protest their way to a better government.
 
2013-08-14 09:56:45 AM

basemetal: I wrote off ever going to see Egypt many years ago.  I'm not rich enough for the security level needed to visit there.


A good friend of mine was there about a year ago, when it wasn't QUITE as bad, but she couldn't get anywhere near the pyramids, even then Cairo was off limits.  That's got to be killing their tourism industry, which I can only imagine is a big part of the economy there, what with having the last remaining wonder of the ancient world and all.
 
2013-08-14 09:57:14 AM
What are the talking points here. Do we root for the military who staged a coup or the Islamist who was elected?
 
2013-08-14 09:57:18 AM

nekom: Anyone else seeing a lot of parallels with Iraq here?  Brutal dictator deposed, chaos ensues?


No.

The chaos isn't comprable.

The dictator wasn't deposed with a foreign army.
 
2013-08-14 09:57:52 AM
This is some Tiananmen square-level bullshiat.
 
2013-08-14 09:58:00 AM
You know, the biggest problem with having high hopes for the arab spring ... is the crushing despair that I'm feeling now.

I mean - Why on earth would they have 'elections' without a constitution?
 
2013-08-14 09:58:18 AM
And here we go.

This could blow up into a full scale civil war in Egypt, or worse yet, a Middle East-wide conflict.
 
2013-08-14 09:58:19 AM

skozlaw: They just upped it to nearly 100 dead and more than 800 injured.

Also

[www.taurusarmed.net image 624x317]


some mighty fine CNN type reporting right there
 
2013-08-14 09:58:37 AM
Did they use Twitter to organize it?
 
2013-08-14 09:59:07 AM

Whiskey Dickens: This is some Tiananmen square-level bullshiat.


They'll have to up the body count considerably. Independent numbers put the deaths at Tiananmen around 3,000 with 15,000 injured.
 
2013-08-14 09:59:41 AM
Just walk away.

Like an Egyptian....
 
2013-08-14 09:59:43 AM

Geotpf: And here we go.

This could blow up into a full scale civil war in Egypt, or worse yet, a Middle East-wide conflict.


So... Day that ends with y?
 
2013-08-14 09:59:45 AM
someone remind me where the internet believes I should stand on morsi?
 
2013-08-14 09:59:55 AM

skozlaw: They just upped it to nearly 100 dead and more than 800 injured.

Also

[www.taurusarmed.net image 624x317]


That doesn't even include the Sinai which apparently has daily shootings, bombings, and RPG attacks on security outposts. Also they are not saying they are working with Israel, but they are working with Israel in informing them of drone strike targets.

This is pissing off the militants, who though while not ideologically tied to the brotherhood are getting behind the brotherhood supporters which is setting the stage for some crazy shiat here.

I wonder if Time is going to make The Protestor person of the year again?
 
2013-08-14 10:00:03 AM
Bad time to be on a night boat to Cairo...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-14 10:00:10 AM
OK no touching of the hair or face.
 
2013-08-14 10:00:31 AM
Violence in the middle east!?  STOP THE PRESSES!
 
2013-08-14 10:00:55 AM

Whiskey Dickens: This is some Tiananmen square-level bullshiat.


www.washingtonpost.com
Click the image for the story.
 
2013-08-14 10:01:41 AM
Can we finally admit that the region is not culturally ready for democracy yet?
 
2013-08-14 10:01:50 AM

rubi_con_man: I mean - Why on earth would they have 'elections' without a constitution?


to elect people to create a constitution?  pretty sure that is how we did it over here, too...
 
2013-08-14 10:01:52 AM

rubi_con_man: You know, the biggest problem with having high hopes for the arab spring ... is the crushing despair that I'm feeling now.

I mean - Why on earth would they have 'elections' without a constitution?


This is a part of the world with no tradition of democracy where graft is almost institutional and expected of everyone in power.  If they want to stick with this instead of falling back into their traditional power structures this is going to be a 100 year transition.  The best you can really hope for is that by the time you're getting ready to die, they'll have started getting things under control.
 
2013-08-14 10:02:28 AM

nekom: Anyone else seeing a lot of parallels with Iraq here?  Brutal dictator deposed, chaos ensues?


Strong military (which some suggest was always the ruling class anyway) is the primary difference and will likely prevent the State from devolving into what happened in Iraq.
 
2013-08-14 10:02:48 AM
Keeripes. Should have just kept waiting them out to make them look like the assholes they are and allowed the elections go through. This is going to guarantee you get some fundie f*ckwad in power... that is of course it doesn't just turn into a military dictatorship permanently.

Well done Egypt. Well done.
 
2013-08-14 10:03:08 AM
Ugh.  My heart aches for these people.
 
2013-08-14 10:03:08 AM
Morsi supporters deserve this, right?
 
2013-08-14 10:03:24 AM

IamAwake: rubi_con_man: I mean - Why on earth would they have 'elections' without a constitution?

to elect people to create a constitution?  pretty sure that is how we did it over here, too...


We purposely didn't elect a chief executive until after the constitution went in place.
 
2013-08-14 10:03:46 AM

GoldSpider: Can we finally admit that the region is not culturally ready for democracy yet?


You have to start somewhere. It's not like you can just buy a can of democracy from a nearby vending machine and pop the top.
 
2013-08-14 10:04:25 AM

Carth: What are the talking points here. Do we root for the military who staged a coup or the Islamist who was elected?


Personally, I'm in favor of rooting for the side we should always root for in the Middle East-nobody and everybody.

The United States government should mark the whole Middle East (including Israel) with HERE THERE BE DRAGONS and ignore it as much as possible, IMHO.  Declare it a Sacrifice Zone and move on.
 
2013-08-14 10:04:28 AM

LineNoise: someone remind me where the internet believes I should stand on morsi?


As I understand...

Morsi was fake-elected by Egyptian voters and rewrote the constitution to turn Egypt into an islamic state.
He was then deposed by the military who are now slaughtering Morsi supporters because ... um, they can.

Both sides are bad, so vote Republican?
 
2013-08-14 10:04:32 AM
It's amazing how worked up most of the world gets in comparison to the USA and Canada. A for instance, we have a crisis here in Canada. We have multiple senators (our senators are appointed for life) who have been appointed by the Prime Minister who have been caught red handed misappropriating millions of dollars in false re-imbursement claims. Our response? Nothing. It's in the news, but there's no protests in the streets. No one hung in effigy or riots (no hockey was involved so no rioting please). Maybe it's the heat over there, or something in the water.
 
2013-08-14 10:04:51 AM
EASY solution, start a new Pharoah Dynasty.  The plus is you get more tourists... and of course the merchandising...
 
2013-08-14 10:05:14 AM

skozlaw: They just upped it to nearly 100 dead and more than 800 injured.

Also

[www.taurusarmed.net image 624x317]


Not really.  This has been brewing for a couple days.  But the rules were pretty clear: when the Army moved in to sort this out it was going to go very bloody very fast.  If I were there protesting, I'd have bugged out days ago, but I'm not a tough guy.

/condolances to the families of the dead.
//I'd pray for them if I were another kind of guy.
 
2013-08-14 10:05:23 AM

Super_pope: rubi_con_man: You know, the biggest problem with having high hopes for the arab spring ... is the crushing despair that I'm feeling now.

I mean - Why on earth would they have 'elections' without a constitution?

This is a part of the world with no tradition of democracy where graft is almost institutional and expected of everyone in power.  If they want to stick with this instead of falling back into their traditional power structures this is going to be a 100 year transition.  The best you can really hope for is that by the time you're getting ready to die, they'll have started getting things under control.


To be fair, it's not like we here in the states got our democracy bug on with any easy as well. I mean really, had George Washington not relented control of the military then one could easily see how a military control of the colonies could have been established. Also even after we got our democracy on, it took us over a hundred years just to get into some smooth sailing.

Even then! we still have our hiccups what with states passing voter ID laws in attempts to mitigate segments of the voting population.

So lets give these guys some slack
 
2013-08-14 10:05:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Morsi supporters deserve this, right?


No one deserves to die because of their political beliefs. Until these people learn that lesson, this will continue to be a clusterfark.
 
2013-08-14 10:06:09 AM
Honestly, I never had much hope for the Arab spring to begin with. But then I'm a grumpy asshole who's prone to depression anyway.

/Still genuinely surprised the iron curtain fell.
 
2013-08-14 10:06:11 AM
In keeping with the time-honoured tradition of Fark narcissism TM,  I won't post anything intelligent (big surprise) but will instead post a vaguely-related pop-culture image:
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2013-08-14 10:06:17 AM
Breaking: CNN now reporting over 17 BILLION dead in Cairo, a city of 9 million, as a result of these clashes. Trillions more believed to be wounded or something.
 
2013-08-14 10:06:26 AM

nekom: Anyone else seeing a lot of parallels with Iraq here?  Brutal dictator deposed, chaos ensues?


I think that's sort of par for the course.

It would be odd if a dictator (with uppity and aggressive religious supporters) was outed and everything was cool. I mean, it would be nice, but not unexpected.
 
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