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(ESPN)   A-Rod's lawyer says he never had multiple PED violations, just one career-long one   (espn.go.com) divider line 35
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2013-08-14 12:14:46 PM
I wonder if cricket has a PED problem.
 
2013-08-14 12:19:07 PM

JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if cricket has a PED problem.


crickets usually have a DEET problem
 
2013-08-14 12:19:27 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-14 12:32:19 PM
The Yankees are probably going to do something stupid like make the playoffs, then A-Rod will hit .700 with 12 HRs in the playoffs, win World Series MVP, and I won't be able to enjoy it because I absolutely cannot root for this team with him on it.
 
2013-08-14 12:51:54 PM
That is actually a legitimate argument against the punishment. The JDA is quite specific in it's language
 
2013-08-14 12:53:45 PM

Yanks_RSJ: The Yankees are probably going to do something stupid like make the playoffs, then A-Rod will hit .700 with 12 HRs in the playoffs, win World Series MVP, and I won't be able to enjoy it because I absolutely cannot root for this team with him on it.


I pray for him to get drilled in the hip and then have him watch as no Yankee comes out of the dugout to defend him.
 
2013-08-14 01:06:13 PM

JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if cricket has a PED problem.


Cricket has some SERIOUS FARKING gambling issues right now.  The Pakistan team is still trying to recover from getting busted for spot-fixing.
 
2013-08-14 01:15:30 PM
A-Rod's lawyers will drag this out till he's about 50.
 
2013-08-14 01:21:51 PM
 
2013-08-14 01:23:10 PM
Good to know.  Now, if only they'd hear his appeal, uphold the punishment and banish A-Hole for the hundred and whatever days term they handed him.  That way, we wouldn't have to hear about him anymore and he could busy himself tweeting his nonsense 24/7.
 
2013-08-14 01:24:23 PM
so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned
 
2013-08-14 01:26:29 PM

The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned


C: I think he gets the same 65 games Braun got
 
2013-08-14 01:28:28 PM

Lost Thought 00: The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned

C: I think he gets the same 65 games Braun got


C.  Somewhere between Braun's 65 and getting suspended for all of next season.  So, same "end date" to the suspension, it just starts later.

I absolutely don't see how B is a thing.  People keep thinking it's possible.
 
2013-08-14 01:31:19 PM

The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned


C. The answer is ALWAYS C.

I fully expect him to get banned for the 2014 season, but I wouldn't be surprised if it got reduced down to 50 or overturned completely.
 
2013-08-14 01:33:59 PM

The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned


Entire 2014 season/playoffs or all 211, assuming MLB actually has the evidence they say they do regarding A-Rod's connection to Biogenesis and attempts at a cover-up.  There is a lot of grey area in the JDA with non-test suspensions, and if this isn't as simple as a brief association and veers towards A-Rod recruiting other players, I'd assume a longer suspension holds up.
 
2013-08-14 01:34:40 PM

UNC_Samurai: JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if cricket has a PED problem.

Cricket has some SERIOUS FARKING gambling issues right now.  The Pakistan team is still trying to recover from getting busted for spot-fixing.


Pete Rose would fit right in.
 
2013-08-14 01:36:21 PM

Yanks_RSJ: The Yankees are probably going to do something stupid like make the playoffs, then A-Rod will hit .700 with 12 HRs in the playoffs, win World Series MVP, and I won't be able to enjoy it because I absolutely cannot root for this team with him on it.


I don't think you have to worry.

This appeal will be drawn out long enough to keep Roidriguez out of the playoffs even if he ends up with a 50 game suspension (which is the bonus about the appeals process allowing him to play).
 
2013-08-14 01:37:08 PM

Yanks_RSJ: The Yankees are probably going to do something stupid like make the playoffs, then A-Rod will hit .700 with 12 HRs in the playoffs, win World Series MVP, and I won't be able to enjoy it because I absolutely cannot root for this team with him on it.


Look on the bright side - at least Ichiro would have a ring, because if there's an active player in baseball more deserving of a ring who doesn't have one, I beg you to name him.  ALSO, if that happened, Mo would get to record the final out of the World Series as his final out, which is the only send-off good enough for what he deserves.
 
2013-08-14 01:38:08 PM
Arod? Playoffs? When did he get traded?
 
2013-08-14 01:39:00 PM
A couple good games against the Angels and people are getting all optimistic.. stop it.
 
2013-08-14 01:39:10 PM

The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned


C or D, with the caveat that if it's C, the next CBA negotiation will be VERY interesting. Because the JDA will have to be completely reworked.
 
2013-08-14 01:39:36 PM

The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned


A.  Once the cat's out of the bag with the things he did (i.e. lie about his involvement with Biogenesis and then trying to cover it up), that's not going to change anyone's mind.

Lost Thought 00: That is actually a legitimate argument against the punishment. The JDA is quite specific in it's language


Where does the JDA say about cover ups?
 
2013-08-14 01:43:22 PM

Rwa2play: Lost Thought 00: That is actually a legitimate argument against the punishment. The JDA is quite specific in it's language

Where does the JDA say about cover ups?


MLB gave him 150 games for "positive tests" purposes, and 61 for the cover up. the 150 is a first and second test suspension combined, but the JDA clearly states that you cannot punish a player for a second offense without first notifying him of a first offense. Which is why I would expect to see that 100 games lopped off on appeal. I also expect the 61 for the cover up to be reduced, because it is completely arbitrary, and Braun set the precedent for tack-on suspension.
 
2013-08-14 01:50:54 PM

Lost Thought 00: Braun set the precedent for tack-on suspension.


I'm not a lawyer, but according to several people who are, since Braun agreed to the suspension outright rather than appealing it, that doesn't actually set precedent.
 
2013-08-14 01:51:15 PM

The Bestest: A couple good games against the Angels and people are getting all optimistic.. stop it.


Don't forget a few wins against Detroit (I wouldn't call them good games, but they did end up winning them).

While I don't disagree with you, they were saying on YES that the Yankees had a similar .500 in August situation I think in 1995 and they pulled it off.  Stranger things have happened.
 
2013-08-14 01:59:46 PM

Lost Thought 00: Rwa2play: Lost Thought 00: That is actually a legitimate argument against the punishment. The JDA is quite specific in it's language

Where does the JDA say about cover ups?

MLB gave him 150 games for "positive tests" purposes, and 61 for the cover up. the 150 is a first and second test suspension combined, but the JDA clearly states that you cannot punish a player for a second offense without first notifying him of a first offense. Which is why I would expect to see that 100 games lopped off on appeal. I also expect the 61 for the cover up to be reduced, because it is completely arbitrary, and Braun set the precedent for tack-on suspension.


Really?  Public knowledge that A-Rod was trying to get the Biogenesis records is "completely arbitrary"?
 
2013-08-14 02:01:11 PM

DeWayne Mann: I'm not a lawyer, but according to several people who are, since Braun agreed to the suspension outright rather than appealing it, that doesn't actually set precedent.


It would seem like it does and it doesn't.

I mean, legally, it probably doesn't, since no court ruled on it. But if you're ruling on it and you see that MLB was fine with 15 extra games as punishment for lying or whatever, then you'll probably note that regarding the extra 61 games they're trying to put on A-Rod.
 
2013-08-14 02:12:17 PM

IAmRight: DeWayne Mann: I'm not a lawyer, but according to several people who are, since Braun agreed to the suspension outright rather than appealing it, that doesn't actually set precedent.

It would seem like it does and it doesn't.

I mean, legally, it probably doesn't, since no court ruled on it. But if you're ruling on it and you see that MLB was fine with 15 extra games as punishment for lying or whatever, then you'll probably note that regarding the extra 61 games they're trying to put on A-Rod.


Pretty easy to argue the difference.

1) Completely different events. Braun was penalised for false testimony during his previous appeal. A-Roid for trying to cover up Biogenesis by acquiring and destroying evidence.

2) Reduced sentence for Braun due to agreeing to cooperate with MLB. If he had not aided the league his number likely would have been greater.

Not saying it will be decided one way or the other, though.
 
2013-08-14 02:19:51 PM

Rwa2play: 61 for the cover up to be reduced, because it is completely arbitrary


I see Selig is recognizing the real single-season HR record* with this suspension.

* - 154 vs. 162 is not up for debate.  The record is defined as "single season" not "154 games".  We're talking about 'roids here.
 
2013-08-14 02:33:13 PM

Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: so what do people think the results of the appeal will be?

A: Upheld. All 211 games.
B. Upheld, and Selig tacks on something extra out of vindictiveness
C. Reduced below 211 games, but still greater than 50
D. Reduced to 50
E. Overturned

Entire 2014 season/playoffs or all 211, assuming MLB actually has the evidence they say they do regarding A-Rod's connection to Biogenesis and attempts at a cover-up.  There is a lot of grey area in the JDA with non-test suspensions, and if this isn't as simple as a brief association and veers towards A-Rod recruiting other players, I'd assume a longer suspension holds up.


It's the cover-up and recruiting that give Selig a great amount of latitude in this matter if what I've read is true.
 
2013-08-14 02:57:53 PM
The Yankees should still have to pay out the retarded-ass contract they signed. ARod should get suspended like any other player, but MLB shouldn't be helping the Yankees get out of his contract.
 
2013-08-14 03:11:59 PM

MyEnamine: The Yankees should still have to pay out the retarded-ass contract they signed. ARod should get suspended like any other player, but MLB shouldn't be helping the Yankees get out of his contract.


The same rules apply to every suspended player.
 
2013-08-14 03:17:19 PM

MyEnamine: The Yankees should still have to pay out the retarded-ass contract they signed. ARod should get suspended like any other player, but MLB shouldn't be helping the Yankees get out of his contract.


Looks like we've found Buck Showalter's Fark ID.
 
2013-08-14 03:54:06 PM

idesofmarch: MyEnamine: The Yankees should still have to pay out the retarded-ass contract they signed. ARod should get suspended like any other player, but MLB shouldn't be helping the Yankees get out of his contract.

Looks like we've found Buck Showalter's Fark ID.


This.
 
2013-08-15 07:23:31 AM

The Bestest: A couple good games against the Angels and people are getting all optimistic.. stop it.


Why, the Red Sox have demonstrated the ability to put together historic collapses.  Their last one lasted a year and a month.
 
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