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2013-08-14 08:44:24 AM
Is it none of them? *checks article* Yep.

/"land of the free and home of pants wetting cowards and busybodies who like nothing more than to judge(and punish) other people for living their lives differently.
 
2013-08-14 08:49:02 AM
Whats with all the Caribbean countries?
 
2013-08-14 09:21:53 AM
and?  is there a point?  what are the crimes they are in for?  how long have they been there, and how much longer will they be there?

I'd like a little more information before I start running around yelling "help, help, we're being oppressed!"
 
2013-08-14 09:26:57 AM

ManateeGag: and?  is there a point?  what are the crimes they are in for?  how long have they been there, and how much longer will they be there?

I'd like a little more information before I start running around yelling "help, help, we're being oppressed!"


The prison population has quadrupled since 1980 even while the rate of violent crime has dropped.
 
2013-08-14 09:40:32 AM

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: and?  is there a point?  what are the crimes they are in for?  how long have they been there, and how much longer will they be there?

I'd like a little more information before I start running around yelling "help, help, we're being oppressed!"

The prison population has quadrupled since 1980 even while the rate of violent crime has dropped.


The war on drugs.  Now some people are in prison for violent crimes, and fark them.  Some people are in prison for being in possession of a relatively harmless plant.  Lives ruined, families destroyed, job prospects shot to hell, education opportunities gone.  And I can still purchase marijuana easily.  FAIL.
 
2013-08-14 09:58:36 AM

nekom: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: and?  is there a point?  what are the crimes they are in for?  how long have they been there, and how much longer will they be there?

I'd like a little more information before I start running around yelling "help, help, we're being oppressed!"

The prison population has quadrupled since 1980 even while the rate of violent crime has dropped.

The war on drugs.  Now some people are in prison for violent crimes, and fark them.  Some people are in prison for being in possession of a relatively harmless plant.  Lives ruined, families destroyed, job prospects shot to hell, education opportunities gone.  And I can still purchase marijuana easily.  FAIL.


You are missing the point, with privately owned prisons, it allows the rich to syphon more of your tax dollars.
Same principal as any US war.
 
2013-08-14 09:59:40 AM
grokca:
You are missing the point, with privately owned prisons, it allows the rich to syphon more of your tax dollars.
Same principal as any US war.


Even without that, the prison industry here in PA is huge, and the lobbying is big to be "tough on crime".  You know, for the children(TM)
 
2013-08-14 10:16:04 AM

nekom: Some people are in prison for being in possession of a relatively harmless plant.


yeah, and there are farking pedo's roaming the streets on "probation"  can we trade?  let the pot heads out and toss the pedo's in?
 
2013-08-14 10:18:16 AM

ManateeGag: nekom: Some people are in prison for being in possession of a relatively harmless plant.

yeah, and there are farking pedo's roaming the streets on "probation"  can we trade?  let the pot heads out and toss the pedo's in?


I could get behind that.

And honestly, I think the graph, while accurate, fails to take into account that, in alot of places they KILL YOU rather than put you in prison.
 
2013-08-14 10:21:20 AM
Benevolent Misanthrope:
And honestly, I think the graph, while accurate, fails to take into account that, in alot of places they KILL YOU rather than put you in prison.

doesn't look like it but keep trying
 
2013-08-14 10:24:27 AM
ManateeGag:
yeah, and there are farking pedo's roaming the streets on "probation"  can we trade?  let the pot heads out and toss the pedo's in?

Sounds like a winning deal to me.  I have a 6 year old daughter, I would MUCH rather have a burned out hippie as a neighbor than a pedo creeper.  Actually, I do have a pothead neighbor, quiet family man that keeps to himself.  Never any problems whatsoever.
 
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2013-08-14 10:24:34 AM
I think a lot of people would see that as a win. for real mareka.
 
2013-08-14 10:27:49 AM
If the graph doesn't have a 14' tall cat for scale then it's not accurate
 
2013-08-14 10:30:29 AM

nekom: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: and?  is there a point?  what are the crimes they are in for?  how long have they been there, and how much longer will they be there?

I'd like a little more information before I start running around yelling "help, help, we're being oppressed!"

The prison population has quadrupled since 1980 even while the rate of violent crime has dropped.

The war on drugs.  Now some people are in prison for violent crimes, and fark them.  Some people are in prison for being in possession of a relatively harmless plant.  Lives ruined, families destroyed, job prospects shot to hell, education opportunities gone.  And I can still purchase marijuana easily.  FAIL.


Noooooope  See #2.

http://ttp://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2 0 09/02/reform_school.html
 
2013-08-14 10:30:59 AM
USA!  USA!  USA!

What other nation could so efficiently implement the totally conflict-of-interest-free idea of private prisons?
 
2013-08-14 10:31:22 AM

Dinki: Whats with all the Caribbean countries?


Cheep booze, high unemployment, and an influx of wealthy transient targets.
 
2013-08-14 10:32:21 AM
China has a bunch of mofos in secret private prisons.
 
2013-08-14 10:32:43 AM
For some reason I read TFA's headline as "Here Are All Of The Nations That Incinerate More Of Their Population Than The US"

I need to drink less.
 
2013-08-14 10:32:50 AM

Dinki: Whats with all the Caribbean countries?


Bad juju.
 
2013-08-14 10:32:59 AM
Aaron Sorkin busts a gut...
Jeff Daniels nods sadly
 
2013-08-14 10:33:28 AM
USA #1 in something! NPR had our infrastructure, health care and education rankings this morning, spoiler alert = not good
 
2013-08-14 10:33:39 AM
Americans are in love with criminalization and punishment. It completely dominates our culture. We love the idea of people being jailed. It doesn't even really matter what for. Look at the glee with which some talk about people being raped in prison around here. It's a national obsession.
 
2013-08-14 10:34:09 AM

FullMetalPanda: If the graph doesn't have a 14' tall cat for scale then it's not accurate


It was a normal cat, just hovering 13ft in the air.
 
2013-08-14 10:36:04 AM
Is this the thread where we take a single point of measurement of an intensely complicated sociatal and governmental issue and make it mean whatever fits our personal agenda?

Cool.

And by the way:

Voiceofreason01: Is it none of them? *checks article* Yep.

/"land of the free and home of pants wetting cowards and busybodies who like nothing more than to judge(and punish) other people for living their lives differently.


That's about the stupidest thing I've ever read.
 
2013-08-14 10:36:38 AM

sigdiamond2000: Americans are in love with criminalization and punishment. It completely dominates our culture. We love the idea of people being jailed. It doesn't even really matter what for. Look at the glee with which some talk about people being raped in prison around here. It's a national obsession.


There was a thread the other day about kids climbing into those playground ball display cages at walmart, there were several posters who said that these kids should be jailed.
 
2013-08-14 10:36:45 AM
societal - spell check is your friend
 
2013-08-14 10:36:58 AM
Is it none? Cause zero is a number.

*reads*

Hahahaha, ok that tumbleweed gif is hilarious.
 
2013-08-14 10:37:34 AM

Voiceofreason01: Benevolent Misanthrope:
And honestly, I think the graph, while accurate, fails to take into account that, in alot of places they KILL YOU rather than put you in prison.

doesn't look like it but keep trying


Ahem.

I'm talking about places where you can be shot by a death squad or drug lord before even being charged.  Not duly carried out punishments (whether or not I or you think them just).
 
2013-08-14 10:38:09 AM
Is there information out there regarding average length of sentence by country?

Also, how were these numbers calculated?  Does each country report via the same metric?

The article seems to suggest that the U.S's number is "yearend" prison population.  Is that different from taking an average prison population over the whole year?  Also, it seems like this number includes people awaiting trial, drunk drivers spending the night in county jail, etc.

This is not to say I disagree with the notion that a lot of people currently in prison in the U.S. don't really need to be there, but I'm curious as to the ability to accurately compare countries.
 
2013-08-14 10:38:14 AM

Dinki: Whats with all the Caribbean countries?


The Caribbean holds some of the smallest countries in the world, so once you get into even double digits it starts to represent significant per capita numbers.

We're also caught in the middle of the drug routes between central and south america and the united states, which leads to a large amount of drugs moving through or past our borders and a disproportionately high number of drug cases even with a small number of people.

I'm from the Cayman Islands - last on the list there. Most people in our prison are there for drug-related crime but there's also been a spike in more violent crime since our previously disorganized and mostly insular gangs have been infiltrated by M13 from central america as well as gangs out of the united states trying to secure direct drug routes for themselves. We're not a good candidate for that kind of thing but their attempts to make it happen are driving up our crime rates.

Including microscopic populations like the ones we have in the Caribbean really makes for a misleading graph though.
 
2013-08-14 10:39:03 AM
TFA: "We need to ensure that incarceration is used to punish, deter and rehabilitate - not merely to convict, warehouse and forget"

Don't bother with the "punish" stuff either. I get deterrence, and if rehabilitation works then go for it. And I get locking somebody up if they're a danger to others. But not punishment. What's the point? To feel morally superior?
 
2013-08-14 10:39:19 AM
Well, obviously its because America has all of the world's black people.  It's our Burden, you could say.
 
2013-08-14 10:39:30 AM
We have to be tough on crime because I'm too much of a pussy to leave the house without a gun.
 
2013-08-14 10:40:12 AM
Benevolent Misanthrope:
And honestly, I think the graph, while accurate, fails to take into account that, in alot of places they KILL YOU rather than put you in prison.

Yeah, the rest of the world is scary!  You'd better assume we're all crazed baby-eaters, and never leave your home!

It's odd that Canada can be nearly identical culturally, yet not even appear on the graph.  It must be because we've killed everybody.

/Ooga
//Booga!
 
2013-08-14 10:40:15 AM

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: and?  is there a point?  what are the crimes they are in for?  how long have they been there, and how much longer will they be there?

I'd like a little more information before I start running around yelling "help, help, we're being oppressed!"

The prison population has quadrupled since 1980 even while the rate of violent crime has dropped.


Sounds like jailing all the violent people helped.
 
2013-08-14 10:41:13 AM
So because we are better at putting the bad guys away, that's a problem?  How?
 
2013-08-14 10:41:23 AM

Josu: TFA: "We need to ensure that incarceration is used to punish, deter and rehabilitate - not merely to convict, warehouse and forget"

Don't bother with the "punish" stuff either. I get deterrence, and if rehabilitation works then go for it. And I get locking somebody up if they're a danger to others. But not punishment. What's the point? To feel morally superior?


Punishment serves as a deterrent to others.
 
2013-08-14 10:43:38 AM

wxboy: Punishment serves as a deterrent to others.


Then why mention punishment separately?  Imprison to deter, rehabilitate, or protect the public.
 
2013-08-14 10:44:17 AM
Freedom comes with a price
 
2013-08-14 10:45:33 AM
What amazes me is how some people think that the prison population in America is completely normal.  Canada in many respects has a nearly identical culture with that of the US.  Sure we have differences but they only seem remarkable because our cultures are so interwoven that they stand out.  Somehow we manage to have a much lower incarceration rate without things going off the rails.  I'm not saying that we are perfect, we are far from it, but there are so many times when social issues are discussed in America as if no other country has ever considered them.

People say things like;

socialized medicine will never work
gay serving openly in the military would be a disaster
gay marriage will destroy our nation
We have to lock these dangerous criminal up for their entire lives to punish them

etc etc

Meanwhile here we are your closest neighbor and trading partner sharing the longest unprotected border in the world with you and we've done those things without our society falling apart.
 
2013-08-14 10:47:01 AM
Color me a bit skeptical.  I note no China or Best Korea on the list.  You expect Putin to report accurate numbers?  How may of these reporting countries are as transparent as the US?
 
2013-08-14 10:47:15 AM
We could solve this whole "crime" problem if we just put a loaded gun every three feet laying right on the sidewalk.  More guns = less crime, right ?
 
2013-08-14 10:47:19 AM

schnee: Freedom comes with a price


Hear that Whiskey Dickens?  Canada better start paying its price, because right now you're NOT free.  Get your act together.
 
2013-08-14 10:47:27 AM

Whiskey Dickens: It's odd that Canada can be nearly identical culturally


Canada has robust social services and socialized medicine, and the wealth disparity in both countries is very different.
 
2013-08-14 10:47:33 AM

Dinki: Whats with all the Caribbean countries?




Poverty, high unemployment, and similar drug policies.

/The US Virgin Islands is America.
/aside from the lack of walmart and inability to vote for presidents, anyway.
 
2013-08-14 10:48:26 AM

Whiskey Dickens: Benevolent Misanthrope:
And honestly, I think the graph, while accurate, fails to take into account that, in alot of places they KILL YOU rather than put you in prison.

Yeah, the rest of the world is scary!  You'd better assume we're all crazed baby-eaters, and never leave your home!

It's odd that Canada can be nearly identical culturally, yet not even appear on the graph.  It must be because we've killed everybody.

/Ooga
//Booga!


I need to refresh my page more often...
 
2013-08-14 10:50:18 AM

Egoy3k: Somehow we manage to have a much lower incarceration rate without things going off the rails


6 months out of the year it's too farking cold to go out on the corner and sell drugs?
 
2013-08-14 10:50:30 AM
To be fair, countries like China, Russia, and India just either kill their prisoners or send them to jails that don't exist so stop asking questions.
 
2013-08-14 10:50:57 AM

nekom: grokca:
You are missing the point, with privately owned prisons, it allows the rich to syphon more of your tax dollars.
Same principal as any US war.

Even without that, the prison industry here in PA is huge, and the lobbying is big to be "tough on crime".  You know, for the children(TM)


Since you are talking PA, you mean the prison industry for incarcerating children is booming.  Still think all the people involved in running those prisons and paying the kick-backs should be in the cell next to that judge.
 
2013-08-14 10:51:15 AM

nekom: grokca:
You are missing the point, with privately owned prisons, it allows the rich to syphon more of your tax dollars.
Same principal as any US war.

Even without that, the prison industry here in PA is huge, and the lobbying is big to be "tough on crime".  You know, for the children(TM)


I wish someone actually would trademark that phrase, "for the children", so that it would be used less often.
 
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