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2013-08-14 01:08:06 PM  

rickythepenguin: idesofmarch: Racism from an Arizona fan - what are the odds?

The Los Angeles Dodgers have trademarked the phrase "Los Doyers," a popular Hispanic nickname for the Boys in Blue. The team features "Los Doyers" T-shirts in their souvenir shops, which is a problem for local vendors who have been selling the name for years. Storeowners have received cease and desist letters from the Dodgers.

i'm sorry, i couldn't quite hear you. can you repeat that?


Well, I was unaware of that.  I don't think the Yankees have done anything like that, yet I do hear 'Los Yanquis' in these threads from the occasional racist/Yankee hater.  Plus, Arizona is a massively, institutionally racist state, so I just made the logical leap.  Carry on.
 
2013-08-14 01:08:50 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Absolutely. Bauer said that if a team didn't want to buy into what he was doing (which is the same thing he's doing now), they shouldn't draft him.


rickythepenguin: i don't remember any attitude issues when we took him


no shiat?  i don't remember that. and not in a "RAWR, you're wrong, DeWayne Mann, RAWRRR" way, i just don't remember that.  when we took him there were stories about him not wanting to change his routine (the dopey foulpole-to-foulpole toss routine, the rubber band stretches) but i don't remember anythign pre-draft.
 
2013-08-14 01:12:04 PM  

rickythepenguin: I don't remember who we got other than Prado, but I think it was a 3 for 1 deal.


Randall Delgado, Prado, and three prospects:

Zeke Spruill, who has pitched in a few games for the D-backs this year but hasn't been good. He doesn't strike out anyone, which is probably a bad sign.

Nick Ahmed, who better play good defense because he sure can't hit.

Brandon Drury, who has already had to repeat two minor league levels. He is hitting well this year, though.

In exchange, the D-backs traded Upton & Chris Johnson.

rickythepenguin: the trade wil have to be evaluated (as with any trade) after a year or two.


No, that is exactly when you shouldn't evaluate a trade. Way too much can happen in that amount of time. If Justin Upton & Chris Johnson collide while attempting to catch a fly ball and both suffer career ending concussions, do the D-backs automatically win?
 
2013-08-14 01:16:38 PM  

bulldg4life: rickythepenguin: I can't say that the trade has really paid off for either team.

Well, look at it this way...given how the players have performed this year...I'm thinking the Braves make the same trade in a heart beat while the Diamondbacks balk at the idea.


Upton's actually put together a pretty meh year, all in all.  That being said, yeah, they do.  Especially since Prado got paid about as much as Upton makes anyway.
 
2013-08-14 01:17:53 PM  

rickythepenguin: no shiat? i don't remember that. and not in a "RAWR, you're wrong, DeWayne Mann, RAWRRR" way, i just don't remember that. when we took him there were stories about him not wanting to change his routine (the dopey foulpole-to-foulpole toss routine, the rubber band stretches) but i don't remember anythign pre-draft.


Here's a really good article in SI

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1189170/i nd ex.htm

Before this year's draft, he arranged face-to-face meetings with representatives from the clubs interested in him. He wanted to explain the specifics of his routine and the rationale behind it. He was willing to sacrifice a better slot in the draft-and therefore potentially accept a lower signing bonus-to be with an organization that trusted him.

"I told them all: 'This is what I do, it's what I believe in, and if you let me stick with it, I'll pitch in the major leagues for 20 years,'" Bauer says. "Some were open. Some weren't. But they needed to know what they were getting into."
 
2013-08-14 01:20:07 PM  

Dafatone: Upton's actually put together a pretty meh year, all in all.


Not sure that's how I'd describe it.
 
2013-08-14 01:23:04 PM  

>No, that is exactly when you shouldn't evaluate a trade. Way too much can happen in that amount of time. If Justin Upton & Chris Johnson collide while attempting to catch a fly ball and both suffer career ending concussions, do the D-backs automatically win?



When you grade a trade depends on what you were trying to attempt. If I'm trying to boost my team at the deadline and I trade for a impact player I judge it that year. If I trade a hot commodity for prospects you can't judge it for a few years.
 
2013-08-14 01:23:30 PM  

Dafatone: Upton's actually put together a pretty meh year, all in all.


Three weeks of "holy shiat this is f*cking awesome, it's the second coming of Ruthgherigmaysmantle"
And three months of "holy shiat we traded for Jeff Francoeur"
 
2013-08-14 01:24:00 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Dafatone: Upton's actually put together a pretty meh year, all in all.

Not sure that's how I'd describe it.


rWAR of 1.9.  fWAR of 2.9.  One is alright, one is good.  Let's take the 2.9.

That's certainly better than "meh."  But does consistency matter at all?  Usually, I lean towards no, but Upton's done almost all* of his damage in April.  Since then, he's put together three bad months (well, two bad and one alright.)  I do think being bad for more than you're good is a problem.

*he's also been a monster in August, which comes close to defeating everything I'm saying.
 
2013-08-14 01:25:42 PM  

DeWayne Mann: In exchange, the D-backs traded Upton & Chris Johnson.


wow, way more than i thought.  i thougth that just 3 for 1.

snakes are pissing me off.  total collapse after the fight. like i said, gibby is coaching in a "what have you done for me lately?" league and the trades aren't paying off.  Goldy is obviously a bright spot and there has been massive roster turnover, but....the bullpen is just bad (we either lead the league or are at the top in blown saves) which isn't on Gibby, but.....as down as the West is, this wsa ripe for the taking, and we're letting it go.
 
2013-08-14 01:28:12 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: You're the jerk... jerk: What is this, rWAR? All real nerds use fWAR which has the same two in the opposite order.

It is a little easier for me to try to defend Miggy as MVP this year but probably still going to have to say trout deserves it.

/Guess we will just have to be happy with a world series win


Or use dwar and see what may surpise some people on who's leading in that.


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2013-08-14 01:28:18 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Before this year's draft, he arranged face-to-face meetings with representatives from the clubs interested in him. He wanted to explain the specifics of his routine and the rationale behind it. He was willing to sacrifice a better slot in the draft-and therefore potentially accept a lower signing bonus-to be with an organization that trusted him.



wow, good find. i don't remember any of that.  thanks.
 
2013-08-14 01:28:22 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: I trade for a impact player I judge it that year.


John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander is considered one of the most lopsided trades in history. You think the Tigers actually won it?

Mid_mo_mad_man: If I trade a hot commodity for prospects you can't judge it for a few years.


So, again, if one of the prospects gets injured down the line, that automatically means the team "lost" the trade?
 
2013-08-14 01:37:18 PM  

Dafatone: Since then, he's put together three bad months (well, two bad and one alright.) I do think being bad for more than you're good is a problem.


Since April 28, the day after he hit his last April HR, he'shiat .262/.352/.412, which is eerily similar to his .280/.355/.430 from last year. I don't think last year was a meh season.

rickythepenguin: wow, good find. i don't remember any of that. thanks.


I'm not saying what Bauer (and Dylan Bundy, with the Orioles) is doing is right. I do think it's very, very interesting, and I'm excited to see if it can work. But a team has to buy into it long-term. The D-backs gave him, what, a year? 2? And then they're like "Well, we're done with this."

I don't get it at all. It's not like they changed GMs.
 
2013-08-14 01:40:38 PM  
How does Wright have that high of a WAR?
 
2013-08-14 01:43:07 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Mid_mo_mad_man: I trade for a impact player I judge it that year.

John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander is considered one of the most lopsided trades in history. You think the Tigers actually won it?

Never said that. I was thinking more if I sell the farm for a guy who is a fa at the end of the season I better win this year or it's a bust.

Mid_mo_mad_man: If I trade a hot commodity for prospects you can't judge it for a few years.

So, again, if one of the prospects gets injured down the line, that automatically means the team "lost" the trade?


It depends. Trading for prospects is always rolling the dice. Again it depends on each teams goals. Sometimes both win sometimes both lose
 
2013-08-14 01:47:37 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Never said that. I was thinking more if I sell the farm for a guy who is a fa at the end of the season I better win this year or it's a bust.


Alexander pitched great for the Tigers down the stretch that year AND had two more years with the team.

So it shouldn't matter who they gave up, right? They went to the playoffs anyway.
 
2013-08-14 01:48:32 PM  

WTF Indeed: Rex_Banner: Also, can Kuroda get some love for the AL CYA? I'm not saying he should win it, but it seems like he's waaaayyyyyyy too far under the radar

He's got the The King Felix argument working for him so he should be in the running.


You know who has the King Felix argument working for him even more?  King Felix.
 
2013-08-14 01:52:51 PM  

rickythepenguin: So if Miggy wins a second consecutive MVP, does that make him........*dons sunglasses*.....Multiple Miggs YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


+1 for the pun/reference but...
No no no, Starling.  You were doing so well with the Miggs comment.
-1 for the tired "dons sunglasses" meme.
 
2013-08-14 01:54:08 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Mid_mo_mad_man: Never said that. I was thinking more if I sell the farm for a guy who is a fa at the end of the season I better win this year or it's a bust.

Alexander pitched great for the Tigers down the stretch that year AND had two more years with the team.

So it shouldn't matter who they gave up, right? They went to the playoffs anyway.




If they win a WS that year and that was thier goal yes. More one team has said fark the future we are going to win now.
 
2013-08-14 01:58:46 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If they win a WS that year and that was thier goal yes


No, they lost in the CS.

So the trade was bad, because the playoffs are a crap shoot?

Mid_mo_mad_man: More one team has said fark the future we are going to win now.


But not all of them. Doesn't that sort of say something?

I mean, I guarantee the Red Sox could've gotten Cliff Lee this year in exchange for Bogaerts, Ranaudo & JBJ. But they didn't. Seems pretty dumb of them, right? Is "win the WS this year" not their goal?
 
2013-08-14 02:01:18 PM  
Can V-Mart play third better than gimpy Cabrera? It would be nice to DH Cabrera for a week or so.
 
2013-08-14 02:02:59 PM  

rickythepenguin: WTF Indeed: with or without Trout.


Sleight of hand, and twist of fate
On a 3-2 count he makes me wait
And I'll wait, cos' I'm due

Through the 8th we reached the 'pen
Righty with a delivery like Robb Nen
And I'll wait, cos' I'm due

And I fouled one away
And I fouled one away
And again
And again

With or without Trout, oh oh
With or without Trout
We can't win, with or without Trout


... and to think, they made an album called WAR.  The pieces are slowly coming together.
 
2013-08-14 02:04:03 PM  

robertus: Mid_mo_mad_man: You're the jerk... jerk: What is this, rWAR? All real nerds use fWAR which has the same two in the opposite order.

It is a little easier for me to try to defend Miggy as MVP this year but probably still going to have to say trout deserves it.

/Guess we will just have to be happy with a world series win


Or use dwar and see what may surpise some people on who's leading in that.

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WAR, hooh.  Good god, ya'll.  What is it good for?  Absolutely nothin'!
 
2013-08-14 02:06:21 PM  

rickythepenguin: So if Miggy wins a second consecutive MVP, does that make him........*dons sunglasses*.....Multiple Miggs YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


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2013-08-14 02:10:53 PM  

violentsalvation: Can V-Mart play third better than gimpy Cabrera? It would be nice to DH Cabrera for a week or so.


Prince has been slumping a lot lately.  Maybe he could use a few days off to clear his head.  Put Martinez at 1st to let Cabrera DH.

The Tigers have a series at the Mets next weekend, I'd rather sit Prince than Martinez for that.  The only reason not to is the really dumb reason of keeping Prince's games-played streak alive.
 
2013-08-14 02:23:19 PM  

DeWayne Mann: John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander is considered one of the most lopsided trades in history.


I'll see that and raise you Jeff Bagwell for Larry Young!
 
2013-08-14 02:32:46 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Rex_Banner: WTF Indeed: "Should salary be taken into account when voting of the MVP"

Who the hell said this? Because it's stupid

I may have said that as a way of demonstrating why many similar pro-Miggy arguments were stupid.


Wait, aren't you the guy who put together a starting lineup of players from any team in the league and couldn't find a spot for Miguel Cabrerra on it at all?
 
2013-08-14 02:38:23 PM  

DeWayne Mann: WTF Indeed: First of all, that's the worst argument for someone in the history of arguments

Yes, that's what I spent a week trying to explain last year. Thanks for agreeing with me.

WTF Indeed: You're adding another number to your argument instead of just relying solely on WAR.

Since you're confused, let me break this down for you:

Most of the pro-Trout guys thought Trout was the MVP because he was a far superior player. WAR is just one way of demonstrating that.

Most of the pro-Cabrera guys thought he was the MVP because of other things: playoffs, triple crown, him moving to third to make room for Fielder, etc.

I'm fully convinced Trout was better, but if you aren't, then I HAVE to use "other things" to make my case to you. Thus, his salary is roughly as legitimate as anything used in Miggy's case.


Honestly, you're still kicking that Cabrera straw man?  People that thought Cabrera deserved it thought that he was a far superior player -- that defense is over rated, that performance later in the year when the opponents were trying harder was more important than performance earlier in the year, and performance in more critical situations was more important than performance in other in-game situations.
 
2013-08-14 02:38:52 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: DeWayne Mann: John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander is considered one of the most lopsided trades in history.

I'll see that and raise you Jeff Bagwell for Larry Young!


I don't think that's a person.

meanmutton: Wait, aren't you the guy who put together a starting lineup of players from any team in the league and couldn't find a spot for Miguel Cabrerra on it at all?


No, I'm the guy who said Miggy was my first choice for DH, but I wasn't sure if having a DH made sense in context.
 
2013-08-14 02:41:49 PM  

meanmutton: People that thought Cabrera deserved it thought that he was a far superior player


No, you thought he was a far superior HITTER. Here's how I can demonstrate this:

meanmutton: defense is over rated


Welp, that was easy.

meanmutton: that performance later in the year when the opponents were trying harder was more important than performance earlier in the year


That would be "other things" (and also wrong)

meanmutton: performance in more critical situations was more important than performance in other in-game situations.


That would be "other things" (and also wrong)
 
2013-08-14 02:43:50 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: DeWayne Mann: John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander is considered one of the most lopsided trades in history.

I'll see that and raise you Jeff Bagwell for Larry Young!


Rental of Bartolo Colon for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips.

Nothing else comes close.  Though AJ Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and Boof Bonser comes close to coming close.

And Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan, for good measure.
 
2013-08-14 02:44:04 PM  

wxboy: violentsalvation: Can V-Mart play third better than gimpy Cabrera? It would be nice to DH Cabrera for a week or so.

Prince has been slumping a lot lately.  Maybe he could use a few days off to clear his head.  Put Martinez at 1st to let Cabrera DH.

The Tigers have a series at the Mets next weekend, I'd rather sit Prince than Martinez for that.  The only reason not to is the really dumb reason of keeping Prince's games-played streak alive.


Don Kelly to 3rd?
 
2013-08-14 02:45:17 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Dafatone: Since then, he's put together three bad months (well, two bad and one alright.) I do think being bad for more than you're good is a problem.

Since April 28, the day after he hit his last April HR, he'shiat .262/.352/.412, which is eerily similar to his .280/.355/.430 from last year. I don't think last year was a meh season.


I suppose I'm comparing him to expectations rather than your average dude.  Plus, I'm letting his ridiculously high fantasy baseball value factor in to those "expectations."
 
2013-08-14 02:54:31 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: DeWayne Mann: John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander is considered one of the most lopsided trades in history.

I'll see that and raise you Jeff Bagwell for Larry Young!


Jeff Bagwell for someone whose name nobody remembers!

/it's Larry Andersen
//I guess that kind of proves your point, doesn't it?
 
2013-08-14 03:04:15 PM  
oh look Cabrera just hit a three-run home run to tie the game.
 
2013-08-14 03:06:38 PM  
DeWayne Mann:

From lurking baseball threads, should I ever decide to step in, I'll tread lightly when you're around if there's a statistical argument to be had. You are far too good of a study.
 
2013-08-14 03:12:42 PM  

This Looks Fun: DeWayne Mann:

From lurking baseball threads, should I ever decide to step in, I'll tread lightly when you're around if there's a statistical argument to be had. You are far too good of a study.


Heh, thanks.

To me, stats are just tools. You can't do everything with them, but you can do a heck of a lot. However, you need to use the right tools for the job....and a lot of people choose poorly.

Statistically, Trout & Cabrera are really interesting to compare this year. It's still way too early to say who has been better, and it could very easily end up being Miggy by the end of the year.

But last year, it wasn't even close. The only way to make it look close was by using incorrect tools. And that's just sort of sad.
 
2013-08-14 03:53:29 PM  

DeWayne Mann: But last year, it wasn't even close. The only way to make it look close was by using incorrect tools. And that's just sort of sad.


I agree that last year's data definitely show that Trout was handily the Most Valuable. But with a vote, I would have voted Miggy. (Sorry).
 
2013-08-14 03:58:57 PM  

This Looks Fun: DeWayne Mann: But last year, it wasn't even close. The only way to make it look close was by using incorrect tools. And that's just sort of sad.

I agree that last year's data definitely show that Trout was handily the Most Valuable. But with a vote, I would have voted Miggy. (Sorry).


Well, if someone thinks "Most Valuable" and "Best" are not necessarily the same thing, fine.

But at that point, you get so deep into the realm of subjective opinions that I don't even see the point in arguing about it. To me, there's no real difference between "Miguel Cabrera should be MVP because he won the Triple Crown on a Playoff Team" and "Derek Jeter should be MVP because he has a dreamy smile."
 
2013-08-14 04:08:13 PM  

DeWayne Mann: To me, there's no real difference between "Miguel Cabrera should be MVP because he won the Triple Crown on a Playoff Team" and "Derek Jeter should be MVP because he has a dreamy smile."


I disagree. People want to give a guy an award for being historically impressive. If a guy beats the hit streak and bats .245 for the season, I think there would be a few MVP votes his way, but only because he's not going to win a championship, he's probably not going to the Hall, and they think that his being on a list in an Almanac just isn't enough. I think it would be simpler if they had an MVP award and an "Impressive Milestone" award. That way, you could give credit to the guy that literally helped his team the most and one to the guy who made an historically significant contribution. Anyway, sorry to rehash a dead argument.
 
2013-08-14 04:11:57 PM  

This Looks Fun: People want to give a guy an award for being historically impressive


So my question now (which is similar to my question then) would be: why wasn't the Triple Crown an automatic MVP before this? Is it JUST the fact that it hasn't happened in awhile?


(A partial answer to this question involves the idea that the MVP should be on a playoff team, even if said team has a worse record than a non-playoff team. Which is something else that I don't quite get)
 
2013-08-14 04:30:19 PM  

DeWayne Mann: So my question now (which is similar to my question then) would be: why wasn't the Triple Crown an automatic MVP before this? Is it JUST the fact that it hasn't happened in awhile?

(A partial answer to this question involves the idea that the MVP should be on a playoff team, even if said team has a worse record than a non-playoff team. Which is something else that I don't quite get)


(IMO) BECAUSE of the sabermetric movement. It's a way for people to say "See?! This guy won the real stats categories. That's why we call it the Triple Crown. It's because these are the only stats that matter." It was a thumb in the eye of progress. Because change is scary. And yes, also because it hasn't happened in a while.

The playoff team argument is just something that seems to be accepted. I've never really understood it myself.

Mathematically, it would seem you could use a player's WAR and assign the MVP without a vote if you really wanted to. And it would be fine I think.
 
2013-08-14 04:35:57 PM  

This Looks Fun: (IMO) BECAUSE of the sabermetric movement. It's a way for people to say "See?! This guy won the real stats categories. That's why we call it the Triple Crown. It's because these are the only stats that matter." It was a thumb in the eye of progress. Because change is scary.


Good luck getting people to admit that.

This Looks Fun: And yes, also because it hasn't happened in a while.


Makes me wonder: if this season played out EXACTLY the same way as last year (which is impossible, of course, for so many reasons, but it's fun to pretend), would Miggy get more, fewer, or the same number of votes?

This Looks Fun: The playoff team argument is just something that seems to be accepted. I've never really understood it myself.


Sort of like wins, from above, it sort of made sense back when there was just ONE playoff team in each league. But the Tigers making the playoffs despite having a worse record than the Angels (who didn't) should demonstrate why it's silly now.

This Looks Fun: Mathematically, it would seem you could use a player's WAR and assign the MVP without a vote if you really wanted to. And it would be fine I think.


I actually DON'T think that's fine. Even ignoring the question of "which WAR", we've still got a lot of issues. As a general rule of thumb, if two players are within roughly 0.5 WAR of each other, they're probably equally good.

But when one guy is like 3 WAR better, well....that's different.
 
2013-08-14 04:49:21 PM  

This Looks Fun: DeWayne Mann: But last year, it wasn't even close. The only way to make it look close was by using incorrect tools. And that's just sort of sad.

I agree that last year's data definitely show that Trout was handily the Most Valuable. But with a vote, I would have voted Miggy. (Sorry).


Triple Crown = Insta-MVP

There really is no argument to the contrary.
 
2013-08-14 04:53:30 PM  

The Drawing Board: This Looks Fun: DeWayne Mann: But last year, it wasn't even close. The only way to make it look close was by using incorrect tools. And that's just sort of sad.

I agree that last year's data definitely show that Trout was handily the Most Valuable. But with a vote, I would have voted Miggy. (Sorry).

Triple Crown = Insta-MVP

There really is no argument to the contrary.


...except all the times a guy won the triple crown and didn't win the MVP.
 
2013-08-14 04:57:28 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Makes me wonder: if this season played out EXACTLY the same way as last year (which is impossible, of course, for so many reasons, but it's fun to pretend), would Miggy get more, fewer, or the same number of votes?


Fewer. I am 100% sure of it. As long as he got the MVP the year before. I think the passion from the "Take that, Math!" would have worn off and we would come to our senses.

DeWayne Mann: Sort of like wins, from above, it sort of made sense back when there was just ONE playoff team in each league.


I still don't buy it. (Whiny Twins fan warning) When the Yankees buy all of the best players and make the playoffs, no ONE player on that team is more Valuable to the Yankees than the best player on a team full of Replacement Players.
 
2013-08-14 04:58:34 PM  

The Drawing Board: Triple Crown = Insta-MVP

There really is no argument to the contrary.



Except for all the arguments to the contrary, you mean?

1933: Chuck Klein wins the Triple Crown, comes in 2nd in MVP voting
1934: Lou Gehrig wins the Triple Crown, comes in 5th in MVP voting.
1942: Ted Williams wins the Triple Crown, comes in 2nd in MVP voting.
1947: Ted Williams wins the Triple Crown, comes in 2nd in MVP voting.

Insta-MVP, indeed.
 
2013-08-14 05:03:27 PM  

Dafatone: ...except all the times a guy won the triple crown and didn't win the MVP.


NO ARGUMENT

This Looks Fun: Fewer. I am 100% sure of it. As long as he got the MVP the year before. I think the passion from the "Take that, Math!" would have worn off and we would come to our senses.


See, this is sort of what I first thought. But then I remembered this:

DeWayne Mann: Someone on ESPN said last night that because Miggy is better this year than last year, but he was the MVP last year, that automatically means he's the MVP this year.


I think the "He won MVP last year and was just as good this year, so he's CLEARLY the MVP again" thing would give him the same number of votes, if not more.

(Then again, it's a different group of voters, so that throws another wrinkle into play).

This Looks Fun: When the Yankees buy all of the best players and make the playoffs, no ONE player on that team is more Valuable to the Yankees than the best player on a team full of Replacement Players.


Well, a TEAM of replacement guys probably won't have anyone particularly valuable.

But, yes, the idea that a guy can only be valuable if his teammates are as well is sort of odd.
 
2013-08-14 05:03:32 PM  

This Looks Fun: I still don't buy it. (Whiny Twins fan warning) When the Yankees buy all of the best players and make the playoffs, no ONE player on that team is more Valuable to the Yankees than the best player on a team full of Replacement Players.


If the Yankees buy all of the best players, how come none of them are even being considered for MVP?

/self-contradictory whining is contradictory
 
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