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(CNN)   If you were expecting a UPS package this morning in Birmingham, it may be a little late   (cnn.com) divider line 110
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2013-08-14 10:20:52 AM
Really sucks, pilots are a rare breed.  Wonder what happened.  I checked the radar image for the area this morning, there were some t'storms but nothing looked too awful.
 
2013-08-14 10:41:47 AM
I just hope my package is ok, i'm going to be late to the gym
 
2013-08-14 10:50:54 AM
tinypineapple.com
 
2013-08-14 10:52:35 AM
Buy my kid really wanted that Wilson soccer ball.
 
2013-08-14 10:56:35 AM
Airbus Scarebus, nice planes, etc.
 
2013-08-14 10:57:16 AM
UPS has 53 52 of the planes, according to Airbus.
FTF the author
 
2013-08-14 10:57:37 AM
cdn-www.airliners.net

In case anyone needed a before picture. Not a small plane crash.
 
2013-08-14 10:58:05 AM

vudukungfu: Buy my kid really wanted that Wilson soccer ball.


blogs.yis.ac.jp
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
/exactly what I was thinking...
 
2013-08-14 10:58:10 AM
Some reports are saying the bodies were found 100 yards away, but the photos don't suggest an ejection being possible, and the door is open/missing.  Shame, almost looks like it COULD have been survivable.
 
2013-08-14 10:58:11 AM
This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.
 
2013-08-14 11:01:17 AM

Tenga: This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.


Well, be sure to call UPS and scream at some random drone on the other end about how the delay of your Dildotron 5000 has ruined EVERYTHING FOREVER and you'll never use their service again.

(this is not actually directed at you, but you know some farking asswad has already made this call today)
 
2013-08-14 11:01:58 AM
Really sad, nobody pays much attention to cargo plane crashes.

But pilots are still people just like anyone else.  Dad isn't coming home to his kids at the end of this trip.

Bums me out bad.
 
2013-08-14 11:02:08 AM
The Airbus has little regard for it's pilot.   The plane's automation calls the pilot a retard on most landings.
 
2013-08-14 11:02:38 AM
My understanding is that UPS drivers are held responsible for damages to their trucks.  I hate to think what crashing an Airbus will set back the pilots families.
 
2013-08-14 11:02:45 AM
I'm wondering if my order of this is ok:

ecx.images-amazon.com

/i keed
//RIP pilots
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-14 11:06:30 AM

remus: I just hope my package is ok, i'm going to be late to the gym


When I heard about this on the news this morning I worried about my packages first...

and I am ashamed and I am a horrible person.
 
2013-08-14 11:09:16 AM

KhamanV: Tenga: This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.

Well, be sure to call UPS and scream at some random drone on the other end about how the delay of your Dildotron 5000 has ruined EVERYTHING FOREVER and you'll never use their service again.

(this is not actually directed at you, but you know some farking asswad has already made this call today)


Just being a little Seinfeldian, but yea, somebody made that call.
 
2013-08-14 11:10:01 AM

farm machine: My understanding is that UPS drivers are held responsible for damages to their trucks.  I hate to think what crashing an Airbus will set back the pilots families.


Depends on the damage.  I know a long-haul driver who clobbered a deer on I-40.  He stopped the truck, called in the damage (minor), finished the trip, filled out the paperwork and UPS repaired the truck.
 
2013-08-14 11:10:17 AM

KhamanV: Tenga: This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.

Well, be sure to call UPS and scream at some random drone on the other end about how the delay of your Dildotron 5000 has ruined EVERYTHING FOREVER and you'll never use their service again.

(this is not actually directed at you, but you know some farking asswad has already made this call today)


Which is really sad because the Dildotron 6000 just came out so now he has to trade it in.
 
2013-08-14 11:14:23 AM
Wow. So, um, I was having a new handgun delivered via a local dealer and it was on that plane. Just got a tracking alert from UPS.

I feel really sorry for the pilots' families and all, but damn this is weird. Heard about the crash on NPR this morning and immediately thought "Gee, I hope my gun wasn't onboard."

So I wonder if UPS is going to deliver a blacked lump of twisted metal now.
 
2013-08-14 11:14:30 AM
As a former ups employee who has loaded and unloaded that plane many times, I'm not getting s kick out of this. Very said day for the ups airlines family.
 
2013-08-14 11:14:38 AM

vudukungfu: Buy my kid really wanted that Wilson soccer ball.


It's name is Voit, dumbass.
 
2013-08-14 11:15:24 AM
Let's see if people start sending in fake names for the pilots.
 
2013-08-14 11:16:12 AM

95629: Really sad, nobody pays much attention to cargo plane crashes.

But pilots are still people just like anyone else.  Dad isn't coming home to his kids at the end of this trip.

Bums me out bad.


I feel bad about workplace deaths in general. Here's a couple of guys, sober, sane, not doing anything bad, or stupid (intentionally) or unusual, just trying to earn a living - and boom! they buy the farm. That doesn't seem fair.
 
2013-08-14 11:16:32 AM
The people on the forums at airliner.net are saying that runway had no ILS, and no runway lighting, a GPS only approach.  If true, WTF?  Are they really landing planes of this size, at night, without at least lights?
 
2013-08-14 11:16:54 AM

95629: Really sad, nobody pays much attention to cargo plane crashes.

But pilots are still people just like anyone else.  Dad isn't coming home to his kids at the end of this trip.

Bums me out bad.


Well, I feel bad, but there are a lot of people who die in accidents every day, while they're just doing their job. They just usually aren't flying a plane when it happens.

Still sad.
 
2013-08-14 11:19:58 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Wow. So, um, I was having a new handgun delivered via a local dealer and it was on that plane. Just got a tracking alert from UPS.


Surely someone here can twist this into blaming the presence of your gun as causing the crash somehow.
 
2013-08-14 11:21:53 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: KhamanV: Tenga: This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.

Well, be sure to call UPS and scream at some random drone on the other end about how the delay of your Dildotron 5000 has ruined EVERYTHING FOREVER and you'll never use their service again.

(this is not actually directed at you, but you know some farking asswad has already made this call today)

Which is really sad because the Dildotron 6000 just came out so now he has to trade it in.


I'll blame the discoloration on "burn marks".
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-14 11:23:19 AM

Chupacabra Sandwich: As a former ups employee who has loaded and unloaded that plane many times, I'm not getting s kick out of this. Very said day for the ups airlines family.


I am *really* not trying to be a smartass this is a really a real question: do you actually mean that very plane?  Like by tail number?
 
2013-08-14 11:23:30 AM
Seriously, though: WHAT ABOUT THE CARGO?

They mention everything else, but give no information on how this will affect their business.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-14 11:24:01 AM

Tenga: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: KhamanV: Tenga: This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.

Well, be sure to call UPS and scream at some random drone on the other end about how the delay of your Dildotron 5000 has ruined EVERYTHING FOREVER and you'll never use their service again.

(this is not actually directed at you, but you know some farking asswad has already made this call today)

Which is really sad because the Dildotron 6000 just came out so now he has to trade it in.

I'll blame the discoloration on "burn marks".


Steely Dan 3 was SOOOO much better.
 
2013-08-14 11:27:38 AM

ZeroCorpse: Seriously, though: WHAT ABOUT THE CARGO?

They mention everything else, but give no information on how this will affect their business.


My tracking update said "all merchandise was discarded". So I'm guessing it was a total loss, cargo and crew :(
 
2013-08-14 11:28:38 AM
Looks like somebody tried to overnight the Benghazi file.
 
2013-08-14 11:28:46 AM

ZeroCorpse: Seriously, though: WHAT ABOUT THE CARGO?

They mention everything else, but give no information on how this will affect their business.


It's a total loss, no question.  But that's not really unusual.  How many UPS trucks catch fire for one reason or another in a given year?  I'm sure they deal with cargo loss routinely, just not this much at once quite so often.
 
2013-08-14 11:30:20 AM
Please don't tell me it's the UPS girl in skimpy clothes...
 
2013-08-14 11:32:43 AM

nekom: The people on the forums at airliner.net are saying that runway had no ILS, and no runway lighting, a GPS only approach.  If true, WTF?  Are they really landing planes of this size, at night, without at least lights?


They were landing on Runway 18 which is about to undergo a lengthening and complete refit, so the lights and ILS may not have been working.  The reson the plane did not hit any homes is because the airport recently bought the land to lengthen the runway.
 
2013-08-14 11:35:25 AM
Tom_Slick:
They were landing on Runway 18 which is about to undergo a lengthening and complete refit, so the lights and ILS may not have been working.  The reson the plane did not hit any homes is because the airport recently bought the land to lengthen the runway.

That's the sound of it, but why not use the other runway?  Someone else on that forum said he'd been there for a time and only ever saw general aviation traffic using it.  They have a perfectly good runway WITH lighting and ILS, why in the world would a large jet not use that one?

UNLESS something went horribly wrong in-flight.  At least one witness reported seeing fire while it was still in the air, though that could easily be dismissed as seeing the landing lights.  If there were a fire in the cabin, then the other runway might make sense, in a fire situation they would want to get it on the ground ASAP, not wait to come around for the ideal approach.
 
2013-08-14 11:37:00 AM

d23: remus: I just hope my package is ok, i'm going to be late to the gym

When I heard about this on the news this morning I worried about my packages first...

and I am ashamed and I am a horrible person.


You are indeed a horrible person. I can honestly state that I did not give any thought to any packages of mine that may have been lost in this tragedy.

/Not expecting anything.
//Live in Louisville anyway, so nothing coming to me should be on a flight out of the city.
 
2013-08-14 11:37:17 AM

nekom: The people on the forums at airliner.net are saying that runway had no ILS, and no runway lighting, a GPS only approach.  If true, WTF?  Are they really landing planes of this size, at night, without at least lights?


I'm not a professional pilot, but I do fly light private aircraft. Even the grass strip I've flown into a couple of times on the outskirts of town has edge lighting. What they probably mean is approach lighting.

Here's the AirNav data on Birmingham:  http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBHM

From the map, it looks like they came in short of runway 18. Runway 18 has no approach lighting or ILS system, but does have PAPI lights (keeps you on the glide slope on a visual approach), edge lighting and all the usual stuff you expect to find on a runway at a decent sized airport. GPS is also a valid approach to runway 18. Here's the approach plate:  http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1308/00050R18.PDF

You can search the NOTAMs here:  https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWeb/  Search for BHM. Says runway 18 closed, but I'm assuming that's because of the crash. Other than that, I see nothing to indicate any

So, at least from here, it doesn't appear that they were doing anything "wrong" by landing on that runway. But, again I am not an investigator or a professional pilot. We'll know what happened soon enough.
 
2013-08-14 11:39:35 AM

Tenga: Looks like somebody tried to overnight the Benghazi file.


I applaud this post on many levels. Clean delivery and totally workable by the paranoid set.

In fact, I think this misinformation true story you won't read in the lamestream MSM media, should be actively spread.
 
2013-08-14 11:40:59 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Wow. So, um, I was having a new handgun delivered via a local dealer and it was on that plane. Just got a tracking alert from UPS.

I feel really sorry for the pilots' families and all, but damn this is weird. Heard about the crash on NPR this morning and immediately thought "Gee, I hope my gun wasn't onboard."

So I wonder if UPS is going to deliver a blacked lump of twisted metal now.


I don't really know how to score this. Pretty weak effort really, trying to make yet another gun owner look like a callous asshole. If you had really applied yourself, maybe a bit more humorous, it might have gotten a couple of bites, but I award you no points, and may gawd have mercy on your soul.

0/0
 
2013-08-14 11:52:20 AM

Basily Gourt: I don't really know how to score this. Pretty weak effort really, trying to make yet another gun owner look like a callous asshole. If you had really applied yourself, maybe a bit more humorous, it might have gotten a couple of bites, but I award you no points, and may gawd have mercy on your soul.

0/0


lolwut?
 
2013-08-14 11:52:26 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: KhamanV: Tenga: This is going to be a huge inconvenience for me.

Well, be sure to call UPS and scream at some random drone on the other end about how the delay of your Dildotron 5000 has ruined EVERYTHING FOREVER and you'll never use their service again.

(this is not actually directed at you, but you know some farking asswad has already made this call today)

Which is really sad because the Dildotron 6000 just came out so now he has to trade it in.


The 6000 has the gyro-pump action and the self-lubrication feature, but I really think the 5000 is a more sturdy piece of hardware.  Some advance consumer reports are saying the gyro-pump's plastic is too brittle and breaks easily if you keep it on the highest setting.  He could probably keep the 5000.
 
2013-08-14 11:58:05 AM

DanZero: [tinypineapple.com image 410x293]


I had the tracking info for a package show the "train derailment" exception last month. Nothing was damaged though, and I assume everyone involved was ok since it didn't make the news. This is a far sadder occurrence.
 
2013-08-14 12:02:26 PM
If anyone has friends/family who flies for UPS and is worried, the Captain was a black male hired in 1990 and the First Officer was a white female hired in 2006.
 
2013-08-14 12:04:58 PM

uncleacid: Let's see if people start sending in fake names for the pilots.


Crash Alyier Post?
 
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2013-08-14 12:09:52 PM
Slightly off-topic, are the comments on CNN articles always so full of derp, as seen on the comments in TFA? Jesus Christ on a cracker...
 
2013-08-14 12:13:22 PM

151: Slightly off-topic, are the comments on CNN articles always so full of derp, as seen on the comments in TFA? Jesus Christ on a cracker...


I've seen worse on mainpage threads around here, much less the politics tab.
 
2013-08-14 12:15:01 PM

Ned Stark: uncleacid: Let's see if people start sending in fake names for the pilots.

Crash Alyier Post?


Captain Kent Parker Wright and Co-Captain Wyatt Wooden Workman

/not mine
//stolen from Korean station
 
2013-08-14 12:22:37 PM

nekom: Some reports are saying the bodies were found 100 yards away, but the photos don't suggest an ejection being possible, and the door is open/missing.  Shame, almost looks like it COULD have been survivable.


That's what I was wondering; the cockpit looked intact, and the front section wasn't even crumpled.  Pilots get better restraints than passengers typically do.  Did they die due to fire/Asphyxiation?  Also, wouldn't they have supplemental oxygen available?

Didn't realize that there's multiple pictures though, looking at subsequent pictures shows a crumpled mess for the nose that wasn't visible from the first pic.  I can now see impact damage doing the deed.  Crash injuries incapacitating them followed by fire...  *shudder*

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: lolwut?


Seems people think you're trolling.  Now it's going to be really awkward, but did you have your purchase insured?

With the way I've seen some guns packaged, I wouldn't be surprised if your gun actually mostly survived.  Then again, straight from the dealer, I've seen just cardboard and foam.  cardboard < standard plastic case < pelican case

Also:  I'll admit that if I was expecting a package wondering if mine was on it would be a first thought, Just like if a passenger plane crashed I'd be concerned for my family(if I knew they were flying).  Care for strangers comes, but after the immediate concern.
 
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