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(WESH Orlando)   Parents upset because new school textbook "very much sugar-coats the rise of Islam to be this wonderful new world order while teaching Christianity as dogmatic"   (wesh.com) divider line 203
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2013-08-14 12:10:50 AM
STOP BEING OFFENDED AT EVERY farkING THING

Maybe that assbag of a man was right when he said we are a nation of whiners.
 
2013-08-14 12:12:23 AM
More Christianist whining.
 
2013-08-14 12:17:18 AM
Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.
 
2013-08-14 12:20:54 AM
Board members said instead of throwing the book out, they will create a committee of local experts and draw up a supplemental guide to accompany the book.

"Let's use this as a teaching moment. This is what the book says, but here are some other perspectives," Kneessy said.


That should work out well.  Is it going to be on the standardized tests?  No?  The good farking luck getting that shiat into the lecture cycle.
 
2013-08-14 12:28:04 AM

Bucky Katt: More Christianist whining.


You might have a point, but we can't decide for ourselves, because the stupid article didn't reference the textbook in question.
 
2013-08-14 12:28:42 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


This.
 
2013-08-14 12:30:38 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


Agreed, but I'll go on a limb and suggest that the book doesn't specifically endorse Christianity, and therefore paints Islam in a more flattering light.

I could be wrong here. But it seems that each time I hear a Christian or Republican complaining about being misrepresented or oppressed, what they're really trying to say is that the source doesn't specifically fellate their POV. Print news story that doesn't declare Palin and Santorum as our saviors? OMG, media oppression. Actual facts? Who the fark wants those?

Again, I might be off base here because as you mentioned, the article sucks. Still, recent history tells me this is a bunch of sissies wasting everyone's time.
 
2013-08-14 12:33:05 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


You have crystallized my thoughts eloquently.
 
2013-08-14 12:36:55 AM
Of course it is going to suggest students read a bit of the Koran, because they probably haven't before and what better way to understand what a religion is about than to read its source text?

Oh, and get all bent out of shape about the textbook not suggesting they read the Bible?  Pehaps it is because the authors figured that as kids growing up in the US,  they have already farking read the Bible!
 
2013-08-14 12:55:58 AM

dickfreckle: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

Agreed, but I'll go on a limb and suggest that the book doesn't specifically endorse Christianity, and therefore paints Islam in a more flattering light.

I could be wrong here. But it seems that each time I hear a Christian or Republican complaining about being misrepresented or oppressed, what they're really trying to say is that the source doesn't specifically fellate their POV. Print news story that doesn't declare Palin and Santorum as our saviors? OMG, media oppression. Actual facts? Who the fark wants those?

Again, I might be off base here because as you mentioned, the article sucks. Still, recent history tells me this is a bunch of sissies wasting everyone's time.


Your name troubles me, but otherwise, THIS.
 
2013-08-14 12:56:40 AM

dickfreckle: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

Agreed, but I'll go on a limb and suggest that the book doesn't specifically endorse Christianity, and therefore paints Islam in a more flattering light.

I could be wrong here. But it seems that each time I hear a Christian or Republican complaining about being misrepresented or oppressed, what they're really trying to say is that the source doesn't specifically fellate their POV. Print news story that doesn't declare Palin and Santorum as our saviors? OMG, media oppression. Actual facts? Who the fark wants those?

Again, I might be off base here because as you mentioned, the article sucks. Still, recent history tells me this is a bunch of sissies wasting everyone's time.


You'd be good at playing the "Jump to Conclusions" game from Office Space.
 
2013-08-14 01:21:27 AM

Mark Ratner: because the stupid article didn't reference the textbook in question.


FTA:  The book, "World History," is published by Prentice Hall.
 
2013-08-14 01:22:32 AM
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2013-08-14 01:31:01 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


Here is a Townhall article about it, so you can get the righty side of the story.

If you don't want to click it, here is an excerpt from the article:

For example, Workman said a reference to Mohammed and his armies taking over Medina states, "people happily accepted Islam as their way of life."
"It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by Mohammed's armies," he said. "It's a blatant deception."
The book indicates that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah while stating as fact that Mohammed is a prophet, Workman said. Students are also given lessons on the Koran and the five pillars of Islam. The
"They don't do that for Christianity," he said. "That is offensive to me."
School board member Amy Kneessy told Fox News she has similar concerns.
"Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word 'massacre' when it's a Christian battle and 'takeover' when it's a Muslim battle," she said. "In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation - when in fact both battles were very bloody."
 
2013-08-14 01:33:46 AM

Dr.Fey: Mark Ratner: because the stupid article didn't reference the textbook in question.

FTA:  The book, "World History," is published by Prentice Hall.


And??? What did the book say that caused this uproar, smartass? :-)
 
2013-08-14 02:14:02 AM
Appears that the textbook in the author's Journalism 101 class was skewed toward not telling the basics: who, when, where, WHAT, and why. It is pointless to write this article without some citations from the actual textbook.
 
2013-08-14 04:15:16 AM

Aulus: Of course it is going to suggest students read a bit of the Koran, because they probably haven't before and what better way to understand what a religion is about than to read its source text?

Oh, and get all bent out of shape about the textbook not suggesting they read the Bible?  Pehaps it is because the authors figured that as kids growing up in the US,  they have already farking read the Bible!


Dude, no one reads the Bible.
 
2013-08-14 04:54:45 AM

Krieghund: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

Here is a Townhall article about it, so you can get the righty side of the story.

If you don't want to click it, here is an excerpt from the article:

For example, Workman said a reference to Mohammed and his armies taking over Medina states, "people happily accepted Islam as their way of life."
"It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by Mohammed's armies," he said. "It's a blatant deception."
The book indicates that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah while stating as fact that Mohammed is a prophet, Workman said. Students are also given lessons on the Koran and the five pillars of Islam. The
"They don't do that for Christianity," he said. "That is offensive to me."
School board member Amy Kneessy told Fox News she has similar concerns.
"Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word 'massacre' when it's a Christian battle and 'takeover' when it's a Muslim battle," she said. "In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation - when in fact both battles were very bloody."


That does sound pretty one-sided.
 
2013-08-14 04:59:56 AM

cman: STOP BEING OFFENDED AT EVERY farkING THING

Maybe that assbag of a man was right when he said we are a nation of whiners.


Have you missed life in the states since the early 90's? It's become the official national sport. Whining. Being offended, and outraged. Feelings mattering to the detriment of all else.

It's kinda of fantastic, since there are SO many targets now.
 
2013-08-14 05:00:47 AM

Abacus9: Dude, no one reads the Bible.


That's not true, many atheists have read it from cover to cover, and in the same manner you should read any book that claims to be non-fiction.
 
2013-08-14 05:01:32 AM
This is like squabbling over Batman vs Superman, and yet some how these make-believe concepts still managed to wiggle their way into the public school system.  How the fark does that happen, I thought there were laws against that.
 
2013-08-14 05:01:50 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


According to the embedded video, the book has 36 pages about Islam and only 3 about Christianity.  I actually find that a compelling argument, whereas I dismiss the "oh dear me, I'm offended someone describes Christianity in a way I don't like" from Rep. Workman as whiny biatching.  Right wing victimhood and hatred of others is meh, but there's way more than 3 pages of history that revolves around Christianity and shouldn't be ignored.

Also, if the Townhall quote is accurate (and admittedly, Townhall is generally complete bullshiat, but IF it's accurate), then maybe even the right wing whining is justified (for once).
 
2013-08-14 05:02:21 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: Krieghund: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

Here is a Townhall article about it, so you can get the righty side of the story.

If you don't want to click it, here is an excerpt from the article:

For example, Workman said a reference to Mohammed and his armies taking over Medina states, "people happily accepted Islam as their way of life."
"It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by Mohammed's armies," he said. "It's a blatant deception."
The book indicates that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah while stating as fact that Mohammed is a prophet, Workman said. Students are also given lessons on the Koran and the five pillars of Islam. The
"They don't do that for Christianity," he said. "That is offensive to me."
School board member Amy Kneessy told Fox News she has similar concerns.
"Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word 'massacre' when it's a Christian battle and 'takeover' when it's a Muslim battle," she said. "In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation - when in fact both battles were very bloody."

That does sound pretty one-sided.


Yeah, but you start using "massacre" to describe the spread of Islam and those guys get really angry and start bombing shiat. Christians are pretty whiny, but otherwise not especially threatening about this kind of stuff.
 
2013-08-14 05:02:41 AM
If the Islamist assh*les would accept the truth, and accept Jesus Christ as their savior, there wouldn't be any problem.
 
2013-08-14 05:06:47 AM

BumpInTheNight: This is like squabbling over Batman vs Superman, and yet some how these make-believe concepts still managed to wiggle their way into the public school system.  How the fark does that happen, I thought there were laws against that.


Religion may be based on various versions of invisible sky fairies, but that doesn't make their effect on history any less real.  Modern history has been, in great part, influenced by religion, from the Crusades to the Inquisition to the founding of several US colonies to the European conquest of South/Central America, to the...Etc.

I consider theists to be as dumb as anyone, but try not to let your knee jerk reaction hit you in the face.
 
2013-08-14 05:10:46 AM
I'm offended all my history books makes no mention of Ancient Aliens building megalithic structures, such as the Egyptian pyramids. Or Atlantis.

beingcreative.co
 
2013-08-14 05:11:26 AM
Its too early for this shiat.
 
2013-08-14 05:13:25 AM
Coming on a Bicycle:

If you don't want to click it, here is an excerpt from the article:

For example, Workman said a reference to Mohammed and his armies taking over Medina states, "people happily accepted Islam as their way of life."
"It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by Mohammed's armies," he said. "It's a blatant deception."
The book indicates that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah while stating as fact that Mohammed is a prophet, Workman said. Students are also given lessons on the Koran and the five pillars of Islam. The
"They don't do that for Christianity," he said. "That is offensive to me."
School board member Amy Kneessy told Fox News she has similar concerns.
"Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word 'massacre' when it's a Christian battle and 'takeover' when it's a Muslim battle," she said. "In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation - when in fact both battles were very bloody."

That does sound pretty one-sided.


These descriptions of the book's content sound pretty much like misrepresentations to be honest. I will endeavour to find out the truth, but every time people say this stuff you go to the book or article or whatever and it turns out they have completely twisted and misrepresented it.
 
2013-08-14 05:16:51 AM
Is this supposed to be an article?
 
2013-08-14 05:20:47 AM

Emposter: BumpInTheNight: This is like squabbling over Batman vs Superman, and yet some how these make-believe concepts still managed to wiggle their way into the public school system.  How the fark does that happen, I thought there were laws against that.

Religion may be based on various versions of invisible sky fairies, but that doesn't make their effect on history any less real.  Modern history has been, in great part, influenced by religion, from the Crusades to the Inquisition to the founding of several US colonies to the European conquest of South/Central America, to the...Etc.

I consider theists to be as dumb as anyone, but try not to let your knee jerk reaction hit you in the face.


Hrm, agreed.  I'm just not comfy with this part:  Board members said instead of throwing the book out, they will create a committee of local experts and draw up a supplemental guide to accompany the book.

They acquired an excuse to create and distribute christian propaganda to 'balance the scales'.
 
2013-08-14 05:23:05 AM
Such a thing makes perfect sense to me, as Islam has indeed become the World Religion. After all, it's never a smart thing to insult one's overlords or to paint them in an unflattering light.
 
2013-08-14 05:24:48 AM

Aulus: Of course it is going to suggest students read a bit of the Koran, because they probably haven't before and what better way to understand what a religion is about than to read its source text?

Oh, and get all bent out of shape about the textbook not suggesting they read the Bible?  Pehaps it is because the authors figured that as kids growing up in the US,  they have already farking read the Bible!


I have never once read the bible.

I think these parents are likely overreacting, but it's hard to deny a bias against Christianity. With the exception of a few people (Bill Maher for example), people tend not to speak negatively about Islam. Christianity on the other hand is bashed. They're both beyond stupid, but Christians are less likely to kill over statements like that.
 
2013-08-14 05:25:28 AM

Kriggerel: Such a thing makes perfect sense to me, as Islam has indeed become the World Religion. After all, it's never a smart thing to insult one's overlords or to paint them in an unflattering light.


www.onlynotions.com
 
2013-08-14 05:27:04 AM

Likwit: With the exception of a few people (Bill Maher for example), people tend not to speak negatively about Islam.


This is true, if you live in Television.
 
2013-08-14 05:33:40 AM

Likwit: it's hard to deny a bias against Christianity. With the exception of a few people (Bill Maher for example), people tend not to speak negatively about Islam. Christianity on the other hand is bashed.


In American culture? Are you completely sure you are sticking with the idea that Christianity gets a rough gig in the USA? Totally sure of that? In no way do you think that that is a really farking stupid thing to say and flies in the face of reailty?
 
2013-08-14 05:34:48 AM

Abacus9: Dude, no one reads the Bible.


Christians read it. Well, apart from the bits about that annoying socialist hippy and all his "love one another" crap, but from Genesis to Malachi and from Acts to Revelation, they're all over it.
 
2013-08-14 05:38:42 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


This!

Whenever I hear that someone is offended, I want to know why.

Maybe it points out a lot of scientific contributions that came from the Arab world.  There certainly were many.   Western society also made a lot of contributions as well and they were mostly Christian, but we use Arabic numerals, we use algebra and those are very important.
 
2013-08-14 05:41:04 AM
fark the Bible. I interpret more interesting stories from the skid marks in my underwear.
 
2013-08-14 05:44:54 AM

Satanus Maximus: fark the Bible. I interpret more interesting stories from the skid marks in my underwear.


So you don't know how to wipe your ass and you find the Bible boring?  Truly, you are an enigma.
 
2013-08-14 05:58:05 AM

Krieghund: Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word 'massacre' when it's a Christian battle and 'takeover' when it's a Muslim battle," she said. "In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation - when in fact both battles were very bloody."


Any bets on whether the references in question were the sieges of Jerusalem in 1099 and 1187?
 
2013-08-14 06:07:13 AM
Well, the "massacre vs. takeover" thing, if true, is definitely bothersome (provided the relevant events can both be described as massacres), but doesn't having more info on Islam than Christianity make a lot of actual sense? Kids in those classrooms are already going to know plenty about Christianity, but they'll likely know either nothing about Islam or nothing but  bad things about Islam. I don't see how it hurts to give them a little bit of actual info about the religion.

I'd really like to see the "happily accepted Islam" quote...because that would indeed be pretty stupid. No conquered city "happily accepts" an imposed religion.
 
2013-08-14 06:21:57 AM

thamike: Kriggerel: Such a thing makes perfect sense to me, as Islam has indeed become the World Religion. After all, it's never a smart thing to insult one's overlords or to paint them in an unflattering light.


What sick man send baby to fight?
 
2013-08-14 06:26:42 AM
I was betting on a mars colony be up and running by the time my daughter starts school because idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg
 
2013-08-14 06:26:52 AM

Emposter: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

According to the embedded video, the book has 36 pages about Islam and only 3 about Christianity.  I actually find that a compelling argument, whereas I dismiss the "oh dear me, I'm offended someone describes Christianity in a way I don't like" from Rep. Workman as whiny biatching.  Right wing victimhood and hatred of others is meh, but there's way more than 3 pages of history that revolves around Christianity and shouldn't be ignored.

Also, if the Townhall quote is accurate (and admittedly, Townhall is generally complete bullshiat, but IF it's accurate), then maybe even the right wing whining is justified (for once).


I would have to see the book to even begin to think about it. Literate people don't evaluate the contents of a book by counting pages. Taking track record into account, I'm calling 98% chance of paranoid  Christianist whining and crying, with complications of sand in vagina. Yeah - it could be something different, but I'm an intelligent man, and I'll go with what it is 98% of the time.
These whines have exactly as much worth as the whines of Muslims living in countries where practically everybody is Muslim sniveling that their faith is being "undermined" or"disrespected" - they are the exact same people, really, in terms of character and intellect.

cptrios: I'd really like to see the "happily accepted Islam" quote...because that would indeed be pretty stupid. No conquered city "happily accepts" an imposed religion.


Yeah, we really need to look into that special when it comes to Islam - because they are the ONLY people, ever in the history of ever, to impose their faith on people they've conquered and  then claimed that the conquered were better off. That's not par-for-the-course human behavior - only Muslims do it.
(Poe's law states that at least one asshole would give me a big slap on the back for that post, lacking this disclaimer)
 
2013-08-14 06:33:14 AM
um...but christianity IS dogmatic....
 
2013-08-14 06:34:20 AM

DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.


This.

Then again, the complaints may be just as content-rich as the article.
 
2013-08-14 06:37:01 AM

dickfreckle: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

Agreed, but I'll go on a limb and suggest that the book doesn't specifically endorse Christianity, and therefore paints Islam in a more flattering light.

I could be wrong here. But it seems that each time I hear a Christian or Republican complaining about being misrepresented or oppressed, what they're really trying to say is that the source doesn't specifically fellate their POV. Print news story that doesn't declare Palin and Santorum as our saviors? OMG, media oppression. Actual facts? Who the fark wants those?

Again, I might be off base here because as you mentioned, the article sucks. Still, recent history tells me this is a bunch of sissies wasting everyone's time.


Yeah - this is Sarah Palin's fault for dumbing-down America. When, "What newspapers do you read?" became a, "Gotcha Question," it basically gave license to complain that anything that doesn't immediately pander to you is some kind of oppression.
 
2013-08-14 06:39:10 AM
lol...this article shows EXACTLY what you lib Farkers are about. You completely go off on anything that has "Christian" or "Conservative" or Republican" for ever. Even when you find an article that wont spoon feed you why you are doing it. Then you make up what you want to bark about.

It's classic...go on. I got all night....morons
 
2013-08-14 06:41:42 AM
Um, you guys must not have gone to the same schools I did. This is fairly plausible, as there has been an anti Christian bias in every history class I've ever taken here in Massachusetts.

Intro to Religion at Northeastern was particularly blatant about it, though i suppose that has nothing to do with this story
 
2013-08-14 06:41:44 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: Krieghund: DamnYankees: Great job, reporter, at providing absolutely no information about whats in the actual textbook so the reader can understand the arguments here. Very helpful.

Here is a Townhall article about it, so you can get the righty side of the story.

If you don't want to click it, here is an excerpt from the article:

For example, Workman said a reference to Mohammed and his armies taking over Medina states, "people happily accepted Islam as their way of life."
"It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by Mohammed's armies," he said. "It's a blatant deception."
The book indicates that Jesus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah while stating as fact that Mohammed is a prophet, Workman said. Students are also given lessons on the Koran and the five pillars of Islam. The
"They don't do that for Christianity," he said. "That is offensive to me."
School board member Amy Kneessy told Fox News she has similar concerns.
"Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word 'massacre' when it's a Christian battle and 'takeover' when it's a Muslim battle," she said. "In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation - when in fact both battles were very bloody."

That does sound pretty one-sided.


It does, assuming the characterizations are accurate.

The one thing I would say is that teaching the five pillars of Islam while not going into detail about Christianity is not a problem in my book. It's not for indoctrination but for information - in the U.S. it's a fairly safe bet people are going to know some of the fundamental tenets of Christianity, so there's really no need to waste space talking about it.
 
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