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(FastCo Labs)   Massachusetts Democrats: We have this golden goose in the IT industry. Let's chase that goose around the Route 128 corridor with an idiotic new tax law until it remembers it has wings and flies to Texas   (fastcolabs.com) divider line 133
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2013-08-13 04:38:31 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I am legally required to say that I liked Austin better in the old days when it had more "character" and before "all the rich yuppies moved in". Then I have to tell you about that time I smoked a bowl at a club you've never heard of on 6th street


Raul's and who can forget EVERYONE'S RUNNING TO CLUB FOOT!

Best radio spot ever! And I still wish I had my original Oat Willie's bumper sticker.

www.hitcher.com
 
2013-08-13 04:41:25 PM  

snowshovel: Which is fine, in theory, except for the idiots in Texas who elect their Education heads to "take that darn made-up stuff science-y stuff out of science books and put Jesus back in where it belongs". Which then gets trickled down to the rest of the country who actually appreciates their kids learning science stuff in science class.


Don't forget California. I think you might be better served figuring out why your state uses textbook publishers who can't make books for them the way they want them and yet still charges an extortive price for them.
 
2013-08-13 04:41:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: LasersHurt: Isn't it early to be drunk?

Why do you ask?


I feel guilty. *hic*
 
2013-08-13 04:48:23 PM  

LasersHurt: BojanglesPaladin: LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.

I thought Lyndon Johnsons was a pretty good President. I think a lot of my PoC friends would agree.

"PoC" friends? Not familiar.


Port O' Connor.  : p

Great fishing.

www.texasoutside.com
 
2013-08-13 04:51:34 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.


Except for the part where they cannot legally be married, can get fired for being gay and have to listen to their elected representatives compare them to pedophiles.

That's probably a big deal.
 
2013-08-13 04:56:25 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: The company I work for essentially owns Kendall Square in Cambridge (where more IT money is spent than anywhere else in the world), as well as numerous Massachusetts suburban office parks. No one here seems concerned about the impact on leasing. It didn't even come up during the internal Q2 call.


It looks like computer software (including if downloaded off the Internet) was always taxable in Mass.  Now, any charge for installing, configuring, or modifying said software is also taxable.  There's a bunch of grey areas that haven't fully been sorted out, but they will be.  Like all sales and use taxes, this only applies if both the client and provider are located in the state.  Much ado about not much.
 
2013-08-13 05:02:05 PM  

what_now: Except for the part where they cannot legally be married, can get fired for being gay and have to listen to their elected representatives compare them to pedophiles. That's probably a big deal.


I can't remember the last time I even heard of someone being fired from a company in Houston JUST for being gay, and lord knows it's easy to find a ton of openly gay people working. But again...

People are moving to Texas more than any other state in the nation. Including GAY people, who I trust are perfectly capable of making their own decisions about what works best for them. And Houston and Austin and Dallas all have big, solid, established, active and very, very, open gay communities who have been out and proud for decades.

Here's a hint by the way. In my experience, gay people are not ONLY gay. They are business owners who happen to be gay. They are engineers who happen to be gay, they are teachers, and HR reps, and programmers, and geologists and doctors and lawyers and any number of professional and non-professional people who happen to be gay.

So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.

I am happy to trust the judgment of my gay friends who have decided to live here. Your mileage may vary, but unless you are gay, I'd say we let them decide.
 
2013-08-13 05:27:30 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: I wonder how the gay, married executives from Mass will feel about a move to TX?

Dunno. They could ask Houston's lesbian Mayor about it at a dinner in the Montrose, one of  the nation's largest gay centers.


So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?
 
2013-08-13 05:35:51 PM  

DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?


Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.
 
2013-08-13 05:59:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: what_now: Except for the part where they cannot legally be married, can get fired for being gay and have to listen to their elected representatives compare them to pedophiles. That's probably a big deal.

I can't remember the last time I even heard of someone being fired from a company in Houston JUST for being gay, and lord knows it's easy to find a ton of openly gay people working. But again...

People are moving to Texas more than any other state in the nation. Including GAY people, who I trust are perfectly capable of making their own decisions about what works best for them. And Houston and Austin and Dallas all have big, solid, established, active and very, very, open gay communities who have been out and proud for decades.

Here's a hint by the way. In my experience, gay people are not ONLY gay. They are business owners who happen to be gay. They are engineers who happen to be gay, they are teachers, and HR reps, and programmers, and geologists and doctors and lawyers and any number of professional and non-professional people who happen to be gay.

So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.

I am happy to trust the judgment of my gay friends who have decided to live here. Your mileage may vary, but unless you are gay, I'd say we let them decide.


Except  of course that Texas does NOT have a higher standard of living,and yeah living in a shiathole is cheap, and a "stable economy" of jobs that on average do not pay a living wage.

So sure, makes no sense for gays OR straights to move to Texas. Unless you just prefer to live in a place that's in the bottom of education and health care and pollution.

But then I guess gays don't have kids, so they wouldn't need to enroll their kids in Texas' shiatty schools. So maybe that's an advantage for gays, economically speaking.
 
2013-08-13 06:38:58 PM  

hasty ambush: Meanwhile Bioscience and health care flourishes with the uneducated in San Antonio.

Biomedical science, renewable energy, aeronautical science along with petroleum engineering is handled by the uneducated in Houston


Yes, Texas truly dwarfs Massachusetts in the biomedical sciences.

/the biotech I work for has a facility in San Antonio
//really more of a depot, and we're not sure how we ended up with it in the first place...
///maybe we got rid of it during the buyout?  where did that thing go, anyway?
 
2013-08-13 06:57:34 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: So sure, makes no sense for gays OR straights to move to Texas.


And yet more people are moving to Texas than any other state.

Look, no one is asking you to like Texas. It's a simple fact that Texans as a rule don't give two shiats what anyone else thinks.

You don't like Texas? That's fine. Keep living where you live, we're cool with that, we don't need more assholes here. It's just kinda cute that you think talking shiat about Texas matters to anyone.
 
2013-08-13 07:02:36 PM  

soze: Yes, Texas truly dwarfs Massachusetts in the biomedical sciences.


What is the deal? Do people in Mass. have small penises or something? It's cool that Boston and Mass are awesome places. Just because Texas has something doesn't mean someone else has less of it. (well except for people lately).

See, He didn't say anything dwarfed anything. He simply stated that Texas has a robust biomedical industry, and plenty of highly educated professionals. It's cool if your state does too.

Don't be so threatened and defensive. You can be cool like Texas too. Everyone can be awesome.
 
2013-08-13 07:08:15 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: You can be cool like Texas too.


Restricting a woman's access to a legal abortion is pretty trendy these days.
 
2013-08-13 07:20:05 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Restricting a woman's access to a legal abortion is pretty trendy these days.


So is fighting against it. I seem to remember a certain strong willed Texas WomanTM making national headlines for refusing to stand down.

Again, no one is asking you to move here. More people are moving here than any other state, and a rational person might conclude that there was a reason for that, but if you are happy where you are, then by all means, be happy. I promise, Texas will get along just fine with or without you.
 
2013-08-13 07:24:47 PM  
President John F. Kennedy?  He was a Massachusetts liberal.

When he wanted American engineers to do something technologically advanced that people could only dream about... when he wanted to go to the moon... in less than 10 years!
Did he ask people in Massachusetts to do it?  Did he try Harvard or M.I.T.?
Nope.
When Kennedy wanted to go to the moon he went to Texas.
img.myconfinedspace.com
/ hot
// Sure, Kennedy was killed in Texas, but that's beside the point.
 
2013-08-13 07:43:32 PM  

super_grass: Mrtraveler01: Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah. Places like Atlanta, charlotte, and Raleigh sure are hellholes.

Depends on the place, really.


Well, Charlotte and Raleigh are in the process of becoming hell holes, since the GOP took over State government here in NC.
 
2013-08-13 07:48:53 PM  

soze: hasty ambush: Meanwhile Bioscience and health care flourishes with the uneducated in San Antonio.

Biomedical science, renewable energy, aeronautical science along with petroleum engineering is handled by the uneducated in Houston

Yes, Texas truly dwarfs Massachusetts in the biomedical sciences.

/the biotech I work for has a facility in San Antonio
//really more of a depot, and we're not sure how we ended up with it in the first place...
///maybe we got rid of it during the buyout?  where did that thing go, anyway?


Because the Brooke Army Medical Center is there.  If you're doing any sort of work on treating burn victims you'd be stupid to not have some staff near there
 
2013-08-13 07:48:55 PM  

TheWhoppah: President John F. Kennedy?  He was a Massachusetts liberal.

When he wanted American engineers to do something technologically advanced that people could only dream about... when he wanted to go to the moon... in less than 10 years!
Did he ask people in Massachusetts to do it?  Did he try Harvard or M.I.T.?
Nope.
When Kennedy wanted to go to the moon he went to Texas.
[img.myconfinedspace.com image 374x499]
/ hot
// Sure, Kennedy was killed in Texas, but that's beside the point.


When Kennedy wanted to go to the Moon, the process was railroaded into Texas by LBJ.

/Get your facts straight, Junior.
//Watched the Mercury,Gemini and Apollo launches on TV. Got to stay up late to watch Neil Armstrong walk on the Moon.
 
2013-08-13 07:57:21 PM  

LasersHurt: Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.


California has some serious problems, not the least of which being rampant poverty.

/US Censure Bureau Supplemental Poverty Measure (a.k.a. the one that considers cost of living).  Only D.C. ranked worse (2009).
//doesn't mean it's a shiat hole.  and if you're wealthy, i hear it's aces
///plenty of red states nearly as bad off on the SPM.
 
2013-08-13 07:58:05 PM  

Lyonid: LasersHurt: Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.

California has some serious problems, not the least of which being rampant poverty.

/US Censure Bureau Supplemental Poverty Measure (a.k.a. the one that considers cost of living).  Only D.C. ranked worse (2009).
//doesn't mean it's a shiat hole.  and if you're wealthy, i hear it's aces
///plenty of red states nearly as bad off on the SPM.


And I can't type "Census" apparently.
 
2013-08-13 08:45:07 PM  
Thank Cthulhu I no longer live or work in that cesspool of a state.
 
2013-08-13 08:56:27 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?

Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.


I doubt they're moving there from places that recognize their civil rights. That is a major point in favor of Massachusetts. Texas may have pockets where things aren't so bad, but your state legislature sure makes the state seem inhospitable to women, gay people, and, frankly, anyone who vales anything above low taxes. I have a friend who was offered an engineering job outside of Houston. The turned it down because they have kids and the tales of the Texas text books meant they couldn't put their kids in public schools.

Now, if the state really does turn blue, this could all change on a dime.
 
2013-08-13 09:01:37 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I can't get (or git for Texans) the article to open.  Could someone post a synopsis (unknown word for Texans) book report so I can determine my level of outrage and/or amusement?


there you go...
 
2013-08-13 10:00:47 PM  

vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.


Central Texas has the second-largest microprocessor tech and software corridor in the US (after silicon valley), and the Austin area is second only to Hollywood in entertainment output, so there's your tech researchers and your liberal arts guys too.  Then there's east Texas, which employs a lot of people with graduate and higher degrees for research and design in the oil/gas industry, and all the business school types that are there due to the whole "one of the largest ports/distribution points in the US" thing.

We're doing pretty well as far as educated people, thanks.  The reason the headline's cracking a joke about the IT guys moving to Texas is because there's already a big tech base here and it's cheaper to set up than in California.

//Also, your location is listed as Florida.  Really?  The state that can't even get good enough engineers around to manage its wetlands?  Maybe not the place to throw stones from on this one.
 
2013-08-13 10:11:27 PM  

TheWhoppah: When Kennedy wanted to go to the moon he went to Texas.


As an engineer by training and someone from an air-force/NASA family from back in the day, I'm gonna have to point out that the engineers for the project were transplanted from wherever we could get 'em, including Massachusetts.  The Florida site was picked because it was closer to the equator than most of the US, and the Houston site was chosen because Houston was a large port city but with lots of open space and had similar latitude/line of sight to the Florida site.

Not that Texas isn't pretty nice if you ignore the politics.  Kind of like California that way, except the locals are better at the 'ignoring the politics' part so it's a bit more pleasant socially most of the time.

//My grandfather, who was on various design teams but most notably life support design for both Apollo and Skylab, was relocated from the Carolinas and trained mostly in great Britain, 'cause, y'know, WWII and so on.  So I'm a family witness to the transplant thing.
 
2013-08-13 10:39:35 PM  

Tigger: What kind of farking idiot moves from New England to Texas?

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Actually, that was his dad's choice. W was only about a year old when Poppy and Barbara moved to Midland, so I"m pretty sure it wasn't his idea.
 
2013-08-14 01:05:17 PM  

DeaH: BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?

Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.

I doubt they're moving there from places that recognize their civil rights. That is a major point in favor of Massachusetts. Texas may have pockets where things aren't so bad, but your state legislature sure makes the state seem inhospitable to women, gay people, and, frankly, anyone who vales anything above low taxes. I have a friend who was offered an engineering job outside of Houston. The turned it down because they have kids and the tales of the Texas text books meant they couldn't put their kids in public schools. Now, if the state really does turn blue, this could all change on a dime.


Dude. No CARES that you don't like Texas. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Texas and Texans neither require nor requested your approval. But it's kinda cute that you think it matters to anyone.

Don't like it here? Don't move here. No one is asking you to. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Stay the fark up there you stupid yankee. Meanwhile, people are leaving states like yours and coming here every day. Probably they just aren't as awesomely enlightened as you are and probably they just don't understand things as well as you do. Even the gay people who move here for a better life. I'll ask them why they didn't clear it with you first.
 
2013-08-14 03:41:52 PM  

Infernalist: Texas wants your business!*


*unless you're hispanic, black, female, gay, atheistic, a democrat, educated and/or liberal in your thinking.


Don't be ridiculous.  Hispanic hate?  There are tons of Hispanic people in Texas.  The idea of hating 37% of your entire state is absurd.  I don't know where anyone got the idea that "Illegal alien" is code for hispanic.  It's not.  The hate is for Illegal Aliens.  A percentage of illegal aliens are supporting a drug trafficking trade.  Kinda skews things for the locals, but don't let the "Border Wars" idiots fool you.  It's a documentary like... willy wonka is.

Black People!!!  Oh No! We all hate 11% of the population of the state.  Yeah sure, whatever you say crazy person.

Liberal hate?  Why?  40% of Texans voted democrat in the last presidential election.  Hating 40% of all people is a good way for a stroke.

Gay?  Meh.  It'll be passed here sooner rather than later.  Austin is gay mecca.

Atheist.  Yeah, you are boned.  I won't even pretend.  Highly religious state.  To a fault in some areas I admit.

But the worst part of your argument is that Texans are averse to making money.  And that's just insane.  We pretty much sold out the rest of the state so that we could attract and keep the entire countries corporations.  And by God, we see green.  So bring us your atheist, liberal, gay, black and hispanic themed t-shirt factory. We are on it.
 
2013-08-14 03:50:48 PM  

seniorgato: Don't be ridiculous. Hispanic hate? There are tons of Hispanic people in Texas. The idea of hating 37% of your entire state is absurd.


That's always the giveaway for people posting when they don't know shiat about Texas. Anyone who thinks Texans are racist toward Hispanics knows nothing about Texas.

After all... Tex-Mex, Margarita, Queso, Breakfast Tacos, Burritos... Not to mention how farkin hot a Texas Latina woman can be...

Where was I?

Anyway, jackholes who think Texas is just Mississippi West or something aren't worth the time to correct. You can't fix that kind of ignorant.
 
2013-08-14 07:49:09 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Anyway, jackholes who think Texas is just Mississippi West or something aren't worth the time to correct. You can't fix that kind of ignorant.


Well, you have to admit that the area over there around Lumberton down into Vidor is Klan country.
 
2013-08-14 08:07:46 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?

Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.

I doubt they're moving there from places that recognize their civil rights. That is a major point in favor of Massachusetts. Texas may have pockets where things aren't so bad, but your state legislature sure makes the state seem inhospitable to women, gay people, and, frankly, anyone who vales anything above low taxes. I have a friend who was offered an engineering job outside of Houston. The turned it down because they have kids and the tales of the Texas text books meant they couldn't put their kids in public schools. Now, if the state really does turn blue, this could all change on a dime.

Dude. No CARES that you don't like Texas. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Texas and Texans neither require nor requested your approval. But it's kinda cute that you think it matters to anyone.

Don't like it here? Don't move here. No one is asking you to. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Stay the fark up there you stupid yankee. Meanwhile, people are leaving states like yours and coming here every day. Probably they just aren't as awesomely enlightened as you are and probably they just don't understand things as well as you do. Even the gay people who move here for a better life. I'll ask them why they didn't clear it with you first.


I don't live in the Northeast, you silly Texan. And people do care. That why so many people who move to Texas leave it. And that's who so many people resist moving there. Yes, big props to Wendy Davis. In the end, though, your Senate pushed the bill through. In the end, your state still directs that horrible text books that pervert both history and science pollute the rest of the country. If you're delusional enough to think people are just pouring out of other states for the opportunity to live in the paradise you think Texas is, hey, if it gets you through August in Texas, more power to you.
 
2013-08-14 08:15:49 PM  

DeaH: If you're delusional enough to think people are just pouring out of other states for the opportunity to live in the paradise you think Texas is, hey, if it gets you through August in Texas, more power to you.


North Dakota is the fastest growing state by percentage.  Texas is the second fastest growing state by percentage and the fastest by sheer number of new residents.

August isn't so bad, it almost nearly rained here today so the temp went below 90 by 7pm.  It feels like autumn!
 
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