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(FastCo Labs)   Massachusetts Democrats: We have this golden goose in the IT industry. Let's chase that goose around the Route 128 corridor with an idiotic new tax law until it remembers it has wings and flies to Texas   (fastcolabs.com) divider line 133
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-13 12:52:01 PM  
Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.
 
2013-08-13 12:55:47 PM  
If; (Texas) = True
Then: (Don't mess with)
 
2013-08-13 01:03:10 PM  
Why is there a special tax on computer programming? I don't see the reasoning beyond "Fark you, pay me!"
 
2013-08-13 01:07:47 PM  
Umm, subby, I don't want to rain on your outrage, but this appears to be a tax on professional computer services consumed by end users within the state.  They already tax software sales.
 
2013-08-13 01:10:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Umm, subby, I don't want to rain on your outrage, but this appears to be a tax on professional computer services consumed by end users within the state.  They already tax software sales.


But those professional computer services will now have to commute from Texas everyday.
 
2013-08-13 01:20:50 PM  

impaler: Marcus Aurelius: Umm, subby, I don't want to rain on your outrage, but this appears to be a tax on professional computer services consumed by end users within the state.  They already tax software sales.

But those professional computer services will now have to commute from Texas everyday.


This means that every company in Massachusetts that consumes computer services will be moving to Texas.

That sounds serious.
 
2013-08-13 01:24:01 PM  

impaler: Marcus Aurelius: Umm, subby, I don't want to rain on your outrage, but this appears to be a tax on professional computer services consumed by end users within the state.  They already tax software sales.

But those professional computer services will now have to commute from Texas everyday.


Or say, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, or New York.  It's a relatively small state, easy to commute from outside of it.
 
2013-08-13 01:51:04 PM  
And what? Be chased out by people fearing your talking devil box will teach their children how to dance to that heathen negro jazz music?

How many home-schooled IT experts are there, any way?
 
2013-08-13 01:51:10 PM  
There's also a booming scene in NYC, and there's always the west coast.

I mean, seriously, these guys have access to the internets. They can work ANYWHERE.
 
2013-08-13 01:52:56 PM  
Yeah, really, no one from Massachusetts is moving to Texas because of this.
 
2013-08-13 01:53:43 PM  
Floppy Disc Co.

I see MA lawmakers are keeping up with the times.
 
2013-08-13 01:54:30 PM  
Texas wants your business!*


*unless you're hispanic, black, female, gay, atheistic, a democrat, educated and/or liberal in your thinking.
 
2013-08-13 01:56:37 PM  

EvilEgg: impaler: Marcus Aurelius: Umm, subby, I don't want to rain on your outrage, but this appears to be a tax on professional computer services consumed by end users within the state.  They already tax software sales.

But those professional computer services will now have to commute from Texas everyday.

Or say, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, or New York.  It's a relatively small state, easy to commute from outside of it.


You're kidding right, I drive to Mass for cheap(er) booze
 
2013-08-13 01:57:29 PM  

vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.


They didn't think ahead before they blue themselves.
 
2013-08-13 02:01:03 PM  
What kind of farking idiot moves from New England to Texas?

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-13 02:01:27 PM  
I can't get (or git for Texans) the article to open.  Could someone post a synopsis (unknown word for Texans) so I can determine my level of outrage and/or amusement?
 
2013-08-13 02:03:31 PM  
that sounds insanely idiotic, it's bad enough to raise regressive taxes like gasoline but to make a tax that requires the companies to figure out how and when to pay is asinine.
 
2013-08-13 02:05:47 PM  

Infernalist: Texas wants your business!*


*unless you're hispanic, black, female, gay, atheistic, a democrat, educated and/or liberal in your thinking.


Or you think any regulation of business is a good thing. Right, West?
 
2013-08-13 02:08:07 PM  

vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.


Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.
 
2013-08-13 02:09:52 PM  

Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.


I'm curious, what do you mean by 'fark up beyond repair'?  Be specific, please, so I'll have an easier time tearing apart your definitions.
 
2013-08-13 02:10:53 PM  

Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.


Yeah. Places like Atlanta, charlotte, and Raleigh sure are hellholes.
 
2013-08-13 02:14:26 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I can't get (or git for Texans) the article to open.  Could someone post a synopsis (unknown word for Texans) so I can determine my level of outrage and/or amusement?


It's not even an article, it's more like a blog post urging people to sign a petition.  And the post mentions nothing about Texas, which was subby's interjection and I'm beginning to suspect subby is Rick Perry
 
2013-08-13 02:15:38 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.


Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.
 
2013-08-13 02:18:09 PM  
As a former resident of Texas (thank god it was only for six months) and a current resident of Massachusetts- TAKE MY MONEY. TAKE MY MONEY IF IT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK.
 
2013-08-13 02:20:33 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah. Places like Atlanta, charlotte, and Raleigh sure are hellholes.


Depends on the place, really.
 
2013-08-13 02:21:38 PM  
In all seriousness, the IT industry isn't overflowing with qualified personnel.  Sure, some of the heads of those companies might be tempted by simple stupid greed to move to a state like Texas because of its lower taxes, but most of their employees would not follow them.

And Texas itself is not exactly the Land of Milk and Honey when it comes to educated folk.  Let's face it, most of them are just a few steps above being functionally retarded.  And they're 'proud' of it.

There's a reason that the only place in Texas where IT flourishes is Austin, the most liberal city in the state...
 
2013-08-13 02:21:40 PM  

LasersHurt: Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.


Actually, the best of example of "Liberal Hell" would be Detroit.
 
2013-08-13 02:23:30 PM  
The company I work for essentially owns Kendall Square in Cambridge (where more IT money is spent than anywhere else in the world), as well as numerous Massachusetts suburban office parks. No one here seems concerned about the impact on leasing. It didn't even come up during the internal Q2 call.
 
2013-08-13 02:24:09 PM  

Hospitaller: LasersHurt: Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.

Actually, the best of example of "Liberal Hell" would be Detroit.


I feel like you're kind of missing the point, entirely.
 
2013-08-13 02:28:53 PM  
Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.

/then send me some stationary for teh lulz
 
2013-08-13 02:32:30 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: The company I work for essentially owns Kendall Square in Cambridge (where more IT money is spent than anywhere else in the world), as well as numerous Massachusetts suburban office parks. No one here seems concerned about the impact on leasing. It didn't even come up during the internal Q2 call.


Yup. I work for a big technology company too, and I hadn't even heard about this until today.
 
2013-08-13 02:34:42 PM  
Not a problem, people won't have to move to Texas...Nashua, New Hampshire has already been a beneficiary of businesses fleeing Taxachusetts high taxes.  It's less than 50 miles from Boston...now they'll benefit even more.
 
2013-08-13 02:35:25 PM  

fsud: Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.

/then send me some stationary for teh lulz


MIT, Harvard, WPI, Babson, Tufts, UMass, BC, BU, Northeastern....
 
2013-08-13 02:35:32 PM  

fsud: Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.

/then send me some stationary for teh lulz


The UT system is actually breddy gud, especially UT Austin's Comp.Sci department.
 
2013-08-13 02:39:40 PM  

Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.


Is this where I point out which states tend to be net drains on the federal budget and which pay more than they get back in services?
 
2013-08-13 02:41:47 PM  
As a lawyer with a tech background living and working in MA, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how a bill like this was ever written, let alone signed into law.  I thought people here were supposed to be smart.

I'm glad I don't practice this kind of law, because charging clients thousands of dollars to figure out how to comply with this abomination is now how I want to make my living.
 
2013-08-13 02:43:42 PM  

Infernalist: In all seriousness, the IT industry isn't overflowing with qualified personnel.  Sure, some of the heads of those companies might be tempted by simple stupid greed to move to a state like Texas because of its lower taxes, but most of their employees would not follow them.

And Texas itself is not exactly the Land of Milk and Honey when it comes to educated folk.  Let's face it, most of them are just a few steps above being functionally retarded.  And they're 'proud' of it.

There's a reason that the only place in Texas where IT flourishes is Austin, the most liberal city in the state...


Dallas is far more liberal than Austin. The young republicans are well represented at UT.
 
2013-08-13 02:46:26 PM  

mcreadyblue: Infernalist: In all seriousness, the IT industry isn't overflowing with qualified personnel.  Sure, some of the heads of those companies might be tempted by simple stupid greed to move to a state like Texas because of its lower taxes, but most of their employees would not follow them.

And Texas itself is not exactly the Land of Milk and Honey when it comes to educated folk.  Let's face it, most of them are just a few steps above being functionally retarded.  And they're 'proud' of it.

There's a reason that the only place in Texas where IT flourishes is Austin, the most liberal city in the state...

Dallas is far more liberal than Austin. The young republicans are well represented at UT.


So are they like, moderates or something?

Gross!
 
2013-08-13 02:48:45 PM  

mcreadyblue: Infernalist: In all seriousness, the IT industry isn't overflowing with qualified personnel.  Sure, some of the heads of those companies might be tempted by simple stupid greed to move to a state like Texas because of its lower taxes, but most of their employees would not follow them.

And Texas itself is not exactly the Land of Milk and Honey when it comes to educated folk.  Let's face it, most of them are just a few steps above being functionally retarded.  And they're 'proud' of it.

There's a reason that the only place in Texas where IT flourishes is Austin, the most liberal city in the state...

Dallas is far more liberal than Austin. The young republicans are well represented at UT.


The old ones run Dallas. Or at least the affluent exurbs.
 
2013-08-13 02:48:56 PM  

vpb: How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas? No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.


The folks at Rice University might disagree with you.

Or NASA.

Or MD Anderson (and any other number of cutting edge medical facilities in the state)

Shall I go on?

fsud: Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.


See above.

Look man, why get all pissy about a company moving for economic reasons? Would you rather they go overseas or worse just close up shop?
 
2013-08-13 02:51:21 PM  

mcreadyblue: Dallas is far more liberal than Austin. The young republicans are well represented at UT.


Travis county went 60.14% for Obama.
Dallas county went 57.11% for him.

So it's close, but Austin still holds the crown.
 
2013-08-13 02:54:21 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Could someone post a synopsis (unknown word for Texans)


Oh, fark you.

'My synopsis really clogged with allerrgee...aligatornees...snot, today.'
 
2013-08-13 02:54:28 PM  

Genevieve Marie: As a former resident of Texas (thank god it was only for six months) and a current resident of Massachusetts- TAKE MY MONEY. TAKE MY MONEY IF IT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK.


As a Texan who recently left Texas: fark that place.
 
2013-08-13 02:54:51 PM  
The tax would have to be exceptionally stupid to outweigh all the universities in the area.
 
2013-08-13 02:58:12 PM  

fsud: Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.

/then send me some stationary for teh lulz


Im gonna have to issue a smug alert for your location sir.
 
2013-08-13 02:58:52 PM  

Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.


Chicago is Liberal - the rest of the state is Red - and it is the Chicago area that funds the rest of this freaking state - also, Illinois and California pay more to the federal government than they take in:  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spen d ing-charts-maps

The other states are primarily blue ones, so... F you and your dumb ass
 
2013-08-13 03:06:36 PM  
Lotta Farkers here don't understand why stupid shiat like this is EXACTLY why Texas is continuing to grow year after year even during economic downturns and why Texas is the second largest economy in the country and the nations' leader in interstate migration. No income tax, lower cost of living, beautiful scenery, plenty of room, etc.

So by all means, lob your cute little insults at Texas. Keeping taxing your state's businesses a little more. Don't come here. You'll be just fine.
 
2013-08-13 03:08:08 PM  
I wonder how the gay, married executives from Mass will feel about a move to TX?
 
2013-08-13 03:10:14 PM  

DeaH: I wonder how the gay, married executives from Mass will feel about a move to TX?


Dunno. They could ask Houston's lesbian Mayor about it at a dinner in the Montrose, one of  the nation's largest gay centers.
 
2013-08-13 03:12:47 PM  
I know of at least one company that moved their data center out of Tennessee because the sales tax on just their SAP support was more expensive than the move.
 
2013-08-13 03:12:57 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: I wonder how the gay, married executives from Mass will feel about a move to TX?

Dunno. They could ask Houston's lesbian Mayor about it at a dinner in the Montrose, one of  the nation's largest gay centers.


You can't really compare Texas and Massachusetts in homosexual acceptance.  They simply aren't in the same league, I'm not sure they're playing the same sport.
 
2013-08-13 03:13:16 PM  
mcreadyblue:

Dallas is far more liberal than Austin. The young republicans are well represented at UT.

cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-08-13 03:16:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Lotta Farkers here don't understand why stupid shiat like this is EXACTLY why Texas is continuing to grow year after year even during economic downturns and why Texas is the second largest economy in the country and the nations' leader in interstate migration. No income tax, lower cost of living, beautiful scenery, plenty of room, etc.

So by all means, lob your cute little insults at Texas. Keeping taxing your state's businesses a little more. Don't come here. You'll be just fine.


Lower cost of living in some places. Growth industries in some industries.

What we do have are lots of high-paying, low-skill jobs, primarily in the oil fields. Which is why a 2/2 in Midland costs double the mortgage payment of a house in another state.

We also have fairly poor public schools, abysmal public health, severe drought, and high local sales taxes to make up for what we lose by not having a state income tax. Places like Austin seem vibrant and prone to draw in outsiders, but unless you're a trustafarian Californian or New Yorker, good luck finding a job and a reasonable place to live in most of Travis County that isn't college-y.

But by all means if you're a major tech company, an oil company, or some other large business, Ol' Rickyroo has got the tax breaks for you! Your workers will be hot, their children will be uneducated, and they'll all be paying sales tax out the ass after their high-rent/mortgage homes take the rest of the paycheck you deign to give them. But who cares, right? This is a right to work state, and no liberal f*ggot is going to tell you what to do with your money.
 
2013-08-13 03:16:32 PM  

EvilEgg: You can't really compare Texas and Massachusetts in homosexual acceptance. They simply aren't in the same league, I'm not sure they're playing the same sport.


I think you'd be surprised in Houston (and Austin and Dallas). Especially if you've never seen 34 years of Gay Pride Parades.
 
2013-08-13 03:17:54 PM  

slayer199: Not a problem, people won't have to move to Texas...Nashua, New Hampshire has already been a beneficiary of businesses fleeing Taxachusetts high taxes.  It's less than 50 miles from Boston...now they'll benefit even more.


both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*
 
2013-08-13 03:19:52 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: We also have fairly poor public schools, abysmal public health, severe drought, and high local sales taxes to make up for what we lose by not having a state income tax. Places like Austin seem vibrant and prone to draw in outsiders, but unless you're a trustafarian Californian or New Yorker, good luck finding a job and a reasonable place to live in most of Travis County that isn't college-y.


Austin and Midland? Dude you are doing it wrong. Especially Midland. No one lives there that has a choice. And that's not where people are migrating to.

Houston is the fourth largest city in the country with energy, tech, shipping, medical, and finance all booming. And if you can stomach the arrogance, Dallas isn't that bad, and Fort Worth is OK.
 
2013-08-13 03:20:47 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I think you'd be surprised in Houston (and Austin and Dallas). Especially if you've never seen 34 years of Gay Pride Parades.


Yeah, our Pride Parade in Boston HAS gotten a little boring. Lots of school groups and church groups and fire trucks, kind of like every other parade. I guess that happens when gay people are actually accepted and treated like everyone else....and can get married and have stable families recognized by the state.
 
2013-08-13 03:21:30 PM  

Headso: both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*


Better that the local state or city gets the tax dollars closer to where they are being spent, no?
 
2013-08-13 03:21:58 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: EvilEgg: You can't really compare Texas and Massachusetts in homosexual acceptance. They simply aren't in the same league, I'm not sure they're playing the same sport.

I think you'd be surprised in Houston (and Austin and Dallas). Especially if you've never seen 34 years of Gay Pride Parades.


Between Provincetown and Northhampton, Mass has two of the biggest enclaves for either variety homosexual.

/Now that I think about it, why are they on opposite ends of the state? Do gays and lesbians not get along?
 
2013-08-13 03:22:11 PM  

Infernalist: In all seriousness, the IT industry isn't overflowing with qualified personnel.  Sure, some of the heads of those companies might be tempted by simple stupid greed to move to a state like Texas because of its lower taxes, but most of their employees would not follow them.

And Texas itself is not exactly the Land of Milk and Honey when it comes to educated folk.  Let's face it, most of them are just a few steps above being functionally retarded.  And they're 'proud' of it.

There's a reason that the only place in Texas where IT flourishes is Austin, the most liberal city in the state...


Meanwhile Bioscience and health care flourishes with the uneducated in San Antonio.

Biomedical science, renewable energy, aeronautical science along with petroleum engineering is handled by the uneducated in Houston

The uneducated Dallas/Ft Worth are left dealing with the left with being known as the "silicon prairie " along with aircraft engineering, and a financial center.

But for some reason, despite not  being  as well educated as the  people of Massachusetts, they managed not to pass a similar software tax.  But then there are still some who confuse going to college with being smart.
 
2013-08-13 03:24:40 PM  
media.katu.com
"Wow, just look at all this opportunity for jobs Texas has here!"

/It's as if regulations are a preventive measure against halfassery-related disasters or something.
 
2013-08-13 03:25:25 PM  

EyeballKid: [media.katu.com image 660x409]
"Wow, just look at all this opportunity for jobs Texas has here!"

/It's as if regulations are a preventive measure against halfassery-related disasters or something.


Taxes, regulation, what's the difference?
 
2013-08-13 03:27:27 PM  

EvilEgg: BojanglesPaladin: EvilEgg: You can't really compare Texas and Massachusetts in homosexual acceptance. They simply aren't in the same league, I'm not sure they're playing the same sport.

I think you'd be surprised in Houston (and Austin and Dallas). Especially if you've never seen 34 years of Gay Pride Parades.

Between Provincetown and Northhampton, Mass has two of the biggest enclaves for either variety homosexual.

/Now that I think about it, why are they on opposite ends of the state? Do gays and lesbians not get along?


Duh

www.nbc.com
 
2013-08-13 03:28:56 PM  

slayer199: Not a problem, people won't have to move to Texas...Nashua, New Hampshire has already been a beneficiary of businesses fleeing Taxachusetts high taxes.  It's less than 50 miles from Boston...now they'll benefit even more.


I really see Nashua as the primary beneficiary of these sorts of taxes.  One of the reasons companies locate in Boston is access to the graduates from the 50 or so universities and colleges in the area, some of which are the top in the world.  Nashua is a short drive up the highway from Boston, and can still easily access this talent pool, even if the talent wants to live in Boston.
 
2013-08-13 03:29:47 PM  

Headso: both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*


There's a difference between property taxes and punitive state and federal taxes.  Property taxes are local and most say local.  Police, fire, roads, etc...local taxes.  Personally, I don't have a problem paying property taxes as it directly benefits my community.  That's a far cry from the state or federal government taxing the hell out of my business.
 
2013-08-13 03:30:37 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Headso: both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*

Better that the local state or city gets the tax dollars closer to where they are being spent, no?


I dunno, the elected/appointed officials in my town are assholes, I wish even building permits were taken out of their authority.
 
2013-08-13 03:34:59 PM  

Headso: both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*


Something else you conveniently overlooked.  The overall tax burden to individuals and businesses is reduced in both Texas and New Hampshire.

New Hampshire Tax Climate:  http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/new-hampshire
Texas Tax Climate:  http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/texas
Massachusetts:  http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/massachusetts

So if you'd ask, a majority of people would gladly pay more in property taxes to have a greatly reduced overall tax burden.
 
2013-08-13 03:35:11 PM  
Step one: media.komonews.com
Step Two: thinkprogress.org


Step Three: 2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-13 03:36:28 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Obama's Reptiloid Master: We also have fairly poor public schools, abysmal public health, severe drought, and high local sales taxes to make up for what we lose by not having a state income tax. Places like Austin seem vibrant and prone to draw in outsiders, but unless you're a trustafarian Californian or New Yorker, good luck finding a job and a reasonable place to live in most of Travis County that isn't college-y.

Austin and Midland? Dude you are doing it wrong. Especially Midland. No one lives there that has a choice. And that's not where people are migrating to.

Houston is the fourth largest city in the country with energy, tech, shipping, medical, and finance all booming. And if you can stomach the arrogance, Dallas isn't that bad, and Fort Worth is OK.


Midland and Odessa can't build houses fast enough. Oil companies are renting out whole hotels for workers.

It sounds kinda like you don't know much about Texas, because you've lived your whole life in one of the major cities. Come outside your concrete jungle, stranger, and see how most of us in this great state live.
 
2013-08-13 03:36:41 PM  

impaler: Marcus Aurelius: Umm, subby, I don't want to rain on your outrage, but this appears to be a tax on professional computer services consumed by end users within the state.  They already tax software sales.

But those professional computer services will now have to commute from Texas everyday.


And they won't be able to get abortions.
 
2013-08-13 03:41:50 PM  

Headso: slayer199: Not a problem, people won't have to move to Texas...Nashua, New Hampshire has already been a beneficiary of businesses fleeing Taxachusetts high taxes.  It's less than 50 miles from Boston...now they'll benefit even more.

both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*


You might want to put out your cigar.

Texas

Texas's State and Local Tax Burden Below National Average
.Texas's 2010 tax burden of 7.93% ranks 6th lowest out of 50 states, and is below the national average of 9.9%. Texas's taxpayers pay $3104 per capita in state and local taxes.

Texas's 2013 Business Tax Climate Index Ranks 9

.Texas ranks 9th in the Tax Foundation's State Business Tax Climate Index. The Index compares the states in five areas of taxation that impact business: corporate taxes, individual income taxes, sales taxes, unemployment insurance taxes, and taxes on property, including residential and commercial property. The ranks of neighboring states are as follows: New Mexico, 38th, Oklahoma, 35th, Arkansas, 33rd, and Louisiana, 32nd

New Hampshire

New Hampshire's State and Local Tax Burden Below National Average

.New Hampshire's 2010 tax burden of 8.11% ranks 7th lowest out of 50 states, and is below the national average of 9.9%. New Hampshire's taxpayers pay $3717 per capita in state and local taxes.

New Hampshire's 2013 Business Tax Climate Index Ranks 7
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New Hampshire ranks 7th in the Tax Foundation's State Business Tax Climate Index. The Index compares the states in five areas of taxation that impact business: corporate taxes, individual income taxes, sales taxes, unemployment insurance taxes, and taxes on property, including residential and commercial property. The ranks of neighboring states are as follows: Vermont, 47th, Maine, 30th, and Massachusetts, 22nd.

massachusetts

Massachusetts's State and Local Tax Burden Above National Average
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Massachusetts's 2010 tax burden of 10.43% ranks 8th highest out of 50 states, and is above the national average of 9.9%. Massachusetts's taxpayers pay $5422 per capita in state and local taxes.


Massachusetts's 2013 Business Tax Climate Index Ranks 22
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Massachusetts ranks 22nd in the Tax Foundation's State Business Tax Climate Index. The Index compares the states in five areas of taxation that impact business: corporate taxes, individual income taxes, sales taxes, unemployment insurance taxes, and taxes on property, including residential and commercial property. The ranks of neighboring states are as follows: Rhode Island, 46th, Connecticut, 40th, New York, 50th, New Hampshire, 7th, and Vermont, 47th.
 
2013-08-13 03:42:48 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Midland and Odessa can't build houses fast enough. Oil companies are renting out whole hotels for workers.

It sounds kinda like you don't know much about Texas, because you've lived your whole life in one of the major cities. Come outside your concrete jungle, stranger, and see how most of us in this great state live.



And soon those cities, and others in West Texas, will run out of water.  As has already happened with several towns in that region thanks to the massive drain on the aquifer that resulted from fracking operations.
 
2013-08-13 03:46:18 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Lotta Farkers here don't understand why stupid shiat like this is EXACTLY why Texas is continuing to grow year after year even during economic downturns and why Texas is the second largest economy in the country and the nations' leader in interstate migration. No income tax, lower cost of living, beautiful scenery, plenty of room, etc.

So by all means, lob your cute little insults at Texas. Keeping taxing your state's businesses a little more. Don't come here. You'll be just fine.


State Median Income: 2011

Massachusetts $62,809
Texas $49,195


Budget deficit 2012:

Massachusetts $2,000,000
Texas $13,500,000
 
2013-08-13 03:49:59 PM  

JK47: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Midland and Odessa can't build houses fast enough. Oil companies are renting out whole hotels for workers.

It sounds kinda like you don't know much about Texas, because you've lived your whole life in one of the major cities. Come outside your concrete jungle, stranger, and see how most of us in this great state live.


And soon those cities, and others in West Texas, will run out of water.  As has already happened with several towns in that region thanks to the massive drain on the aquifer that resulted from fracking operations.


Yep! Thanks, lack of regulation by Texas authorities and unashamed fellating of energy companies! We hope you enjoying passing on the cost of bringing in water to your customers, who will use their no-state-income tax savings for buying life's most basic necessity.

Texas has a lot of good, but it is horribly managed because religious nuts elect robber barons who mouth appropriate words about Jesus and 'bortions and homoqueers, and those robber barons have zero qualms exploiting everything we have to be rich enough to buy a Hill Country ranch to retire to.
 
2013-08-13 03:54:50 PM  

BunkoSquad: Yeah, our Pride Parade in Boston HAS gotten a little boring. Lots of school groups and church groups and fire trucks, kind of like every other parade. I guess that happens when gay people are actually accepted and treated like everyone else....and can get married and have stable families recognized by the state.


No one is dissing your super awesome parades, man. I'm just saying that you are mistaken if you think that Houston doesn't have a large and vibrant gay population.

I'm sure Boston's gay parade is fabulous and had 100,000 attendees this year, but I'll assume you are unaware that the Houston Pride Parade regularly brings in 200,000 or more. Or that while Austin is ranked as one of the top 15 "Gayest" cities in America by the Advocate, Boston didn't rank.
 
2013-08-13 03:56:55 PM  

fsud: Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.

/then send me some stationary for teh lulz


Here in Maryland we have the College of Notre Dame of Maryland. Their first sweatshirt were amazing.
 
2013-08-13 03:57:51 PM  

slayer199: Headso: both texas and new hampshire have some of the highest property taxes in the nation, I love how people don't think the government gets it's money one way or another, such sweet kids! *puffs cigar*

Something else you conveniently overlooked.  The overall tax burden to individuals and businesses is reduced in both Texas and New Hampshire.

New Hampshire Tax Climate:  http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/new-hampshire
Texas Tax Climate:  http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/texas
Massachusetts:  http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/massachusetts

So if you'd ask, a majority of people would gladly pay more in property taxes to have a greatly reduced overall tax burden.


Here people can go to see who actually pays the tax burden, just because a state has a low overall tax burden that is low doesn't mean most of their taxes are regressive and poor and middle class people pay the most. Many of the high tax burden states show that the 1% pay the additional cost, which is probably why republicans are told to say the things they say about them...

http://www.itep.org/whopays/
 
2013-08-13 04:01:18 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: It sounds kinda like you don't know much about Texas, because you've lived your whole life in one of the major cities.


Careful making assumptions there, son.

And while I'm a big fan of big Texas, I'll be the first to admit I don't like Midland/Odessa. Without the oil it would be a barren, empty stretch of nothing. With the oil, it's a barren, empty stretch of nothing full of tract housing, McMansions, and golf courses waiting to die the moment the sprinklers stop.

You mileage may, of course, vary. That's the other awesome thing about Texas. It's a whole damn country with entire regions all different from each other.
 
2013-08-13 04:06:08 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I don't like Midland/Odessa. Without the oil it would be a barren, empty stretch of nothing. With the oil, it's a barren, empty stretch of nothing full of tract housing, McMansions, and golf courses waiting to die the moment the sprinklers stop.


The ugly starts at about Colorado City and doesn't end until you get to Van Horn.

And for all of you guys who hate Texas I'm cool with that. Just stay away and we won't bother you.
 
2013-08-13 04:07:05 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Just stay away and we won't bother you.


Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.
 
2013-08-13 04:08:48 PM  

impaler: State Median Income: 2011

Massachusetts $62,809
Texas $49,195


Running the numbers from his site links, the MA family comes out almost $11k ahead of the TX family.
Now TX has a lower cost of living than MA, but does anyone have the non-tax COL amount per state?

And of course, money isn't everything.
Anyone up for quality of life metric comparisons?
http://www.measureofamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/MOA-III-J un e-18-FINAL.pdf
For spoilers, jump to page 17
 
2013-08-13 04:09:05 PM  

LasersHurt: Dancin_In_Anson: Just stay away and we won't bother you.

Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.


Also, for dia in particular, stop threadshiatting.
 
2013-08-13 04:09:24 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: No one is dissing your super awesome parades, man. I'm just saying that you are mistaken if you think that Houston doesn't have a large and vibrant gay population.

I'm sure Boston's gay parade is fabulous and had 100,000 attendees this year, but I'll assume you are unaware that the Houston Pride Parade regularly brings in 200,000 or more. Or that while Austin is ranked as one of the top 15 "Gayest" cities in America by the Advocate, Boston didn't rank.


Great! Can they get married or have legal protection from being fired for their orientation? Because if someone's thinking of where to move, I bet that ranks right up there with "fun parades"
 
2013-08-13 04:09:55 PM  

stratagos: Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Is this where I point out which states tend to be net drains on the federal budget and which pay more than they get back in services?


Is that with or without military bases included?
 
2013-08-13 04:10:11 PM  

LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.


I thought Lyndon Johnsons was a pretty good President. I think a lot of my PoC friends would agree.
 
2013-08-13 04:10:41 PM  

EyeballKid: And what? Be chased out by people fearing your talking devil box will teach their children how to dance to that heathen negro jazz music?

How many home-schooled IT experts are there, any way?


One of our information security analysts was home-schooled.
 
2013-08-13 04:10:57 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.

I thought Lyndon Johnsons was a pretty good President. I think a lot of my PoC friends would agree.


"PoC" friends? Not familiar.
 
2013-08-13 04:13:22 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: vpb: How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas? No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

The folks at Rice University might disagree with you.

Or NASA.

Or MD Anderson (and any other number of cutting edge medical facilities in the state)

Shall I go on?

fsud: Wake me up when Texas opens up an equivalent to M.I.T.

See above.

Look man, why get all pissy about a company moving for economic reasons? Would you rather they go overseas or worse just close up shop?


No one is getting "pissy," because no one in Massachusetts is moving to Texas. Because Texas sucks, and a negligible increase in costs is jut not worth it to move to Texas. Place sucks. Full of Texans.
 
2013-08-13 04:16:50 PM  

BunkoSquad: Great! Can they get married or have legal protection from being fired for their orientation? Because if someone's thinking of where to move, I bet that ranks right up there with "fun parades"


Dude. Let it go. People are moving to Texas more than any other state in the nation. Including GAY people, who I trust are perfectly capable of making their own decisions about what works best for them. And Houston and Austin and Dallas all have big, solid, established, active and very, very, open gay communities who have been out and proud for decades.

Here's a hint by the way. In my experience, gay people are not ONLY gay. They are business owners who happen to be gay. They are engineers who happen to be gay, they are teachers, and HR reps, and programmers, and geologists and doctors and lawyers and any number of professional and non-professional people who happen to be gay.

So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.

But YOU are perfectly welcome to stay in Boston and be as happy as you like there. I hear it's wonderful and it seemed very nice last time I visited.
 
2013-08-13 04:17:25 PM  

LasersHurt: BojanglesPaladin: LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.

I thought Lyndon Johnsons was a pretty good President. I think a lot of my PoC friends would agree.

"PoC" friends? Not familiar.


People of color.


When Johnson moved the proposed NASA headquarters from Cambridge to Texas, it eventually allowed my company to buy all that Kendall Square property that we are making huge bank on right now. So I guess we owe him that.
 
2013-08-13 04:18:01 PM  

LasersHurt: "PoC" friends?


Persons of Color. See other threads today.

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Because Texas sucks, and a negligible increase in costs is jut not worth it to move to Texas.


Absolutely. It's a complete shiathole. Everyone stay away!
 
2013-08-13 04:18:47 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: People of color.


Wow, I thought it might be that, but I thought "nobody who has a diverse friend group would actually say 'People of Color.' Guess I was wrong.
 
2013-08-13 04:19:28 PM  

LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.


So what you're saying is that every time a Texan runs for national office, you're going to come to Texas. Well, ok then.

Smackledorfer: Also, for dia in particular, stop threadshiatting.


Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Place sucks. Full of Texans.


Ow. That hurt.
 
2013-08-13 04:20:44 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.

So what you're saying is that every time a Texan runs for national office, you're going to come to Texas. Well, ok then.


Isn't it early to be drunk?
 
2013-08-13 04:24:32 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: But YOU are perfectly welcome to stay in Boston and be as happy as you like there. I hear it's wonderful and it seemed very nice last time I visited.


Well, thank you, I quite enjoyed Austin when I was there a few years ago, but haven't seen any of the rest of Texas except the DFW airport and the hotel I had to stay at near there when I missed my DFW connection.
 
2013-08-13 04:27:12 PM  

LasersHurt: Cubicle Jockey: People of color.

Wow, I thought it might be that, but I thought "nobody who has a diverse friend group would actually say 'People of Color.' Guess I was wrong.



I looked through a list of acronyms to try and figure it out, but that was the only one that made sense based on it involving Johnson and as a descriptor. I figured it wasn't "Proto Oceanic".
 
2013-08-13 04:30:18 PM  

BunkoSquad: Well, thank you, I quite enjoyed Austin when I was there a few years ago


As a Native Texan, I am legally required to say that I liked Austin better in the old days when it had more "character" and before "all the rich yuppies moved in". Then I have to tell you about that time I smoked a bowl at a club you've never heard of on 6th street, and open my shirt to show you my vintage "Keep Austin Weird" T-Shirt and then talk about how Kinky should have won.
 
2013-08-13 04:32:59 PM  

LasersHurt: Isn't it early to be drunk?


Why do you ask?
 
2013-08-13 04:37:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: BojanglesPaladin: I don't like Midland/Odessa. Without the oil it would be a barren, empty stretch of nothing. With the oil, it's a barren, empty stretch of nothing full of tract housing, McMansions, and golf courses waiting to die the moment the sprinklers stop.

The ugly starts at about Colorado City and doesn't end until you get to Van Horn.

And for all of you guys who hate Texas I'm cool with that. Just stay away and we won't bother you.


Which is fine, in theory, except for the idiots in Texas who elect their Education heads to "take that darn made-up stuff science-y stuff out of science books and put Jesus back in where it belongs". Which then gets trickled down to the rest of the country who actually appreciates their kids learning science stuff in science class.
 
2013-08-13 04:37:23 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: I looked through a list of acronyms to try and figure it out, but that was the only one that made sense based on it involving Johnson and as a descriptor. I figured it wasn't "Proto Oceanic".


Little known fact: Lyndon was a big supporter of Austronesian language study and managed to funnel a lot of pork barrel spending into Texas University programs. A truly unbelievable number of my friends are getting degrees in Proto Oceanic languages today as a result of Johnson's efforts.

/I was riffing off a discussion in a different thread about the 'proper' term for African Americans.
 
2013-08-13 04:38:31 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I am legally required to say that I liked Austin better in the old days when it had more "character" and before "all the rich yuppies moved in". Then I have to tell you about that time I smoked a bowl at a club you've never heard of on 6th street


Raul's and who can forget EVERYONE'S RUNNING TO CLUB FOOT!

Best radio spot ever! And I still wish I had my original Oat Willie's bumper sticker.

www.hitcher.com
 
2013-08-13 04:41:25 PM  

snowshovel: Which is fine, in theory, except for the idiots in Texas who elect their Education heads to "take that darn made-up stuff science-y stuff out of science books and put Jesus back in where it belongs". Which then gets trickled down to the rest of the country who actually appreciates their kids learning science stuff in science class.


Don't forget California. I think you might be better served figuring out why your state uses textbook publishers who can't make books for them the way they want them and yet still charges an extortive price for them.
 
2013-08-13 04:41:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: LasersHurt: Isn't it early to be drunk?

Why do you ask?


I feel guilty. *hic*
 
2013-08-13 04:48:23 PM  

LasersHurt: BojanglesPaladin: LasersHurt: Stop sending us national candidates and committee members and you get a deal.

I thought Lyndon Johnsons was a pretty good President. I think a lot of my PoC friends would agree.

"PoC" friends? Not familiar.


Port O' Connor.  : p

Great fishing.

www.texasoutside.com
 
2013-08-13 04:51:34 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.


Except for the part where they cannot legally be married, can get fired for being gay and have to listen to their elected representatives compare them to pedophiles.

That's probably a big deal.
 
2013-08-13 04:56:25 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: The company I work for essentially owns Kendall Square in Cambridge (where more IT money is spent than anywhere else in the world), as well as numerous Massachusetts suburban office parks. No one here seems concerned about the impact on leasing. It didn't even come up during the internal Q2 call.


It looks like computer software (including if downloaded off the Internet) was always taxable in Mass.  Now, any charge for installing, configuring, or modifying said software is also taxable.  There's a bunch of grey areas that haven't fully been sorted out, but they will be.  Like all sales and use taxes, this only applies if both the client and provider are located in the state.  Much ado about not much.
 
2013-08-13 05:02:05 PM  

what_now: Except for the part where they cannot legally be married, can get fired for being gay and have to listen to their elected representatives compare them to pedophiles. That's probably a big deal.


I can't remember the last time I even heard of someone being fired from a company in Houston JUST for being gay, and lord knows it's easy to find a ton of openly gay people working. But again...

People are moving to Texas more than any other state in the nation. Including GAY people, who I trust are perfectly capable of making their own decisions about what works best for them. And Houston and Austin and Dallas all have big, solid, established, active and very, very, open gay communities who have been out and proud for decades.

Here's a hint by the way. In my experience, gay people are not ONLY gay. They are business owners who happen to be gay. They are engineers who happen to be gay, they are teachers, and HR reps, and programmers, and geologists and doctors and lawyers and any number of professional and non-professional people who happen to be gay.

So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.

I am happy to trust the judgment of my gay friends who have decided to live here. Your mileage may vary, but unless you are gay, I'd say we let them decide.
 
2013-08-13 05:27:30 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: I wonder how the gay, married executives from Mass will feel about a move to TX?

Dunno. They could ask Houston's lesbian Mayor about it at a dinner in the Montrose, one of  the nation's largest gay centers.


So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?
 
2013-08-13 05:35:51 PM  

DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?


Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.
 
2013-08-13 05:59:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: what_now: Except for the part where they cannot legally be married, can get fired for being gay and have to listen to their elected representatives compare them to pedophiles. That's probably a big deal.

I can't remember the last time I even heard of someone being fired from a company in Houston JUST for being gay, and lord knows it's easy to find a ton of openly gay people working. But again...

People are moving to Texas more than any other state in the nation. Including GAY people, who I trust are perfectly capable of making their own decisions about what works best for them. And Houston and Austin and Dallas all have big, solid, established, active and very, very, open gay communities who have been out and proud for decades.

Here's a hint by the way. In my experience, gay people are not ONLY gay. They are business owners who happen to be gay. They are engineers who happen to be gay, they are teachers, and HR reps, and programmers, and geologists and doctors and lawyers and any number of professional and non-professional people who happen to be gay.

So when they are looking for a better standard of living, and a lower cost of living, and a stable economy in a booming environment, Texas makes every bit as much sense to them as it does to any other straight person.

I am happy to trust the judgment of my gay friends who have decided to live here. Your mileage may vary, but unless you are gay, I'd say we let them decide.


Except  of course that Texas does NOT have a higher standard of living,and yeah living in a shiathole is cheap, and a "stable economy" of jobs that on average do not pay a living wage.

So sure, makes no sense for gays OR straights to move to Texas. Unless you just prefer to live in a place that's in the bottom of education and health care and pollution.

But then I guess gays don't have kids, so they wouldn't need to enroll their kids in Texas' shiatty schools. So maybe that's an advantage for gays, economically speaking.
 
2013-08-13 06:38:58 PM  

hasty ambush: Meanwhile Bioscience and health care flourishes with the uneducated in San Antonio.

Biomedical science, renewable energy, aeronautical science along with petroleum engineering is handled by the uneducated in Houston


Yes, Texas truly dwarfs Massachusetts in the biomedical sciences.

/the biotech I work for has a facility in San Antonio
//really more of a depot, and we're not sure how we ended up with it in the first place...
///maybe we got rid of it during the buyout?  where did that thing go, anyway?
 
2013-08-13 06:57:34 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: So sure, makes no sense for gays OR straights to move to Texas.


And yet more people are moving to Texas than any other state.

Look, no one is asking you to like Texas. It's a simple fact that Texans as a rule don't give two shiats what anyone else thinks.

You don't like Texas? That's fine. Keep living where you live, we're cool with that, we don't need more assholes here. It's just kinda cute that you think talking shiat about Texas matters to anyone.
 
2013-08-13 07:02:36 PM  

soze: Yes, Texas truly dwarfs Massachusetts in the biomedical sciences.


What is the deal? Do people in Mass. have small penises or something? It's cool that Boston and Mass are awesome places. Just because Texas has something doesn't mean someone else has less of it. (well except for people lately).

See, He didn't say anything dwarfed anything. He simply stated that Texas has a robust biomedical industry, and plenty of highly educated professionals. It's cool if your state does too.

Don't be so threatened and defensive. You can be cool like Texas too. Everyone can be awesome.
 
2013-08-13 07:08:15 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: You can be cool like Texas too.


Restricting a woman's access to a legal abortion is pretty trendy these days.
 
2013-08-13 07:20:05 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Restricting a woman's access to a legal abortion is pretty trendy these days.


So is fighting against it. I seem to remember a certain strong willed Texas WomanTM making national headlines for refusing to stand down.

Again, no one is asking you to move here. More people are moving here than any other state, and a rational person might conclude that there was a reason for that, but if you are happy where you are, then by all means, be happy. I promise, Texas will get along just fine with or without you.
 
2013-08-13 07:24:47 PM  
President John F. Kennedy?  He was a Massachusetts liberal.

When he wanted American engineers to do something technologically advanced that people could only dream about... when he wanted to go to the moon... in less than 10 years!
Did he ask people in Massachusetts to do it?  Did he try Harvard or M.I.T.?
Nope.
When Kennedy wanted to go to the moon he went to Texas.
img.myconfinedspace.com
/ hot
// Sure, Kennedy was killed in Texas, but that's beside the point.
 
2013-08-13 07:43:32 PM  

super_grass: Mrtraveler01: Nemo's Brother: vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.

Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah. Places like Atlanta, charlotte, and Raleigh sure are hellholes.

Depends on the place, really.


Well, Charlotte and Raleigh are in the process of becoming hell holes, since the GOP took over State government here in NC.
 
2013-08-13 07:48:53 PM  

soze: hasty ambush: Meanwhile Bioscience and health care flourishes with the uneducated in San Antonio.

Biomedical science, renewable energy, aeronautical science along with petroleum engineering is handled by the uneducated in Houston

Yes, Texas truly dwarfs Massachusetts in the biomedical sciences.

/the biotech I work for has a facility in San Antonio
//really more of a depot, and we're not sure how we ended up with it in the first place...
///maybe we got rid of it during the buyout?  where did that thing go, anyway?


Because the Brooke Army Medical Center is there.  If you're doing any sort of work on treating burn victims you'd be stupid to not have some staff near there
 
2013-08-13 07:48:55 PM  

TheWhoppah: President John F. Kennedy?  He was a Massachusetts liberal.

When he wanted American engineers to do something technologically advanced that people could only dream about... when he wanted to go to the moon... in less than 10 years!
Did he ask people in Massachusetts to do it?  Did he try Harvard or M.I.T.?
Nope.
When Kennedy wanted to go to the moon he went to Texas.
[img.myconfinedspace.com image 374x499]
/ hot
// Sure, Kennedy was killed in Texas, but that's beside the point.


When Kennedy wanted to go to the Moon, the process was railroaded into Texas by LBJ.

/Get your facts straight, Junior.
//Watched the Mercury,Gemini and Apollo launches on TV. Got to stay up late to watch Neil Armstrong walk on the Moon.
 
2013-08-13 07:57:21 PM  

LasersHurt: Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.


California has some serious problems, not the least of which being rampant poverty.

/US Censure Bureau Supplemental Poverty Measure (a.k.a. the one that considers cost of living).  Only D.C. ranked worse (2009).
//doesn't mean it's a shiat hole.  and if you're wealthy, i hear it's aces
///plenty of red states nearly as bad off on the SPM.
 
2013-08-13 07:58:05 PM  

Lyonid: LasersHurt: Nemo's Brother: Liberals are truly a cancer.  They fark up their states (think California, Illinois) beyond repair and flee. They then try to turn their refuge into the same shiat hole they abandoned.

Yeah, those are the only two places where "liberals" are. And California is soooooo baaaaaad, ooooohhh noooo.

California has some serious problems, not the least of which being rampant poverty.

/US Censure Bureau Supplemental Poverty Measure (a.k.a. the one that considers cost of living).  Only D.C. ranked worse (2009).
//doesn't mean it's a shiat hole.  and if you're wealthy, i hear it's aces
///plenty of red states nearly as bad off on the SPM.


And I can't type "Census" apparently.
 
2013-08-13 08:45:07 PM  
Thank Cthulhu I no longer live or work in that cesspool of a state.
 
2013-08-13 08:56:27 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?

Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.


I doubt they're moving there from places that recognize their civil rights. That is a major point in favor of Massachusetts. Texas may have pockets where things aren't so bad, but your state legislature sure makes the state seem inhospitable to women, gay people, and, frankly, anyone who vales anything above low taxes. I have a friend who was offered an engineering job outside of Houston. The turned it down because they have kids and the tales of the Texas text books meant they couldn't put their kids in public schools.

Now, if the state really does turn blue, this could all change on a dime.
 
2013-08-13 09:01:37 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I can't get (or git for Texans) the article to open.  Could someone post a synopsis (unknown word for Texans) book report so I can determine my level of outrage and/or amusement?


there you go...
 
2013-08-13 10:00:47 PM  

vpb: Yes, that's our strategy for turning Texas into a blue state.

How else are you going to get someone educated to move to Texas?  No one with any sort of talent or skill is going to move there by choice.


Central Texas has the second-largest microprocessor tech and software corridor in the US (after silicon valley), and the Austin area is second only to Hollywood in entertainment output, so there's your tech researchers and your liberal arts guys too.  Then there's east Texas, which employs a lot of people with graduate and higher degrees for research and design in the oil/gas industry, and all the business school types that are there due to the whole "one of the largest ports/distribution points in the US" thing.

We're doing pretty well as far as educated people, thanks.  The reason the headline's cracking a joke about the IT guys moving to Texas is because there's already a big tech base here and it's cheaper to set up than in California.

//Also, your location is listed as Florida.  Really?  The state that can't even get good enough engineers around to manage its wetlands?  Maybe not the place to throw stones from on this one.
 
2013-08-13 10:11:27 PM  

TheWhoppah: When Kennedy wanted to go to the moon he went to Texas.


As an engineer by training and someone from an air-force/NASA family from back in the day, I'm gonna have to point out that the engineers for the project were transplanted from wherever we could get 'em, including Massachusetts.  The Florida site was picked because it was closer to the equator than most of the US, and the Houston site was chosen because Houston was a large port city but with lots of open space and had similar latitude/line of sight to the Florida site.

Not that Texas isn't pretty nice if you ignore the politics.  Kind of like California that way, except the locals are better at the 'ignoring the politics' part so it's a bit more pleasant socially most of the time.

//My grandfather, who was on various design teams but most notably life support design for both Apollo and Skylab, was relocated from the Carolinas and trained mostly in great Britain, 'cause, y'know, WWII and so on.  So I'm a family witness to the transplant thing.
 
2013-08-13 10:39:35 PM  

Tigger: What kind of farking idiot moves from New England to Texas?

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Actually, that was his dad's choice. W was only about a year old when Poppy and Barbara moved to Midland, so I"m pretty sure it wasn't his idea.
 
2013-08-14 01:05:17 PM  

DeaH: BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?

Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.

I doubt they're moving there from places that recognize their civil rights. That is a major point in favor of Massachusetts. Texas may have pockets where things aren't so bad, but your state legislature sure makes the state seem inhospitable to women, gay people, and, frankly, anyone who vales anything above low taxes. I have a friend who was offered an engineering job outside of Houston. The turned it down because they have kids and the tales of the Texas text books meant they couldn't put their kids in public schools. Now, if the state really does turn blue, this could all change on a dime.


Dude. No CARES that you don't like Texas. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Texas and Texans neither require nor requested your approval. But it's kinda cute that you think it matters to anyone.

Don't like it here? Don't move here. No one is asking you to. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Stay the fark up there you stupid yankee. Meanwhile, people are leaving states like yours and coming here every day. Probably they just aren't as awesomely enlightened as you are and probably they just don't understand things as well as you do. Even the gay people who move here for a better life. I'll ask them why they didn't clear it with you first.
 
2013-08-14 03:41:52 PM  

Infernalist: Texas wants your business!*


*unless you're hispanic, black, female, gay, atheistic, a democrat, educated and/or liberal in your thinking.


Don't be ridiculous.  Hispanic hate?  There are tons of Hispanic people in Texas.  The idea of hating 37% of your entire state is absurd.  I don't know where anyone got the idea that "Illegal alien" is code for hispanic.  It's not.  The hate is for Illegal Aliens.  A percentage of illegal aliens are supporting a drug trafficking trade.  Kinda skews things for the locals, but don't let the "Border Wars" idiots fool you.  It's a documentary like... willy wonka is.

Black People!!!  Oh No! We all hate 11% of the population of the state.  Yeah sure, whatever you say crazy person.

Liberal hate?  Why?  40% of Texans voted democrat in the last presidential election.  Hating 40% of all people is a good way for a stroke.

Gay?  Meh.  It'll be passed here sooner rather than later.  Austin is gay mecca.

Atheist.  Yeah, you are boned.  I won't even pretend.  Highly religious state.  To a fault in some areas I admit.

But the worst part of your argument is that Texans are averse to making money.  And that's just insane.  We pretty much sold out the rest of the state so that we could attract and keep the entire countries corporations.  And by God, we see green.  So bring us your atheist, liberal, gay, black and hispanic themed t-shirt factory. We are on it.
 
2013-08-14 03:50:48 PM  

seniorgato: Don't be ridiculous. Hispanic hate? There are tons of Hispanic people in Texas. The idea of hating 37% of your entire state is absurd.


That's always the giveaway for people posting when they don't know shiat about Texas. Anyone who thinks Texans are racist toward Hispanics knows nothing about Texas.

After all... Tex-Mex, Margarita, Queso, Breakfast Tacos, Burritos... Not to mention how farkin hot a Texas Latina woman can be...

Where was I?

Anyway, jackholes who think Texas is just Mississippi West or something aren't worth the time to correct. You can't fix that kind of ignorant.
 
2013-08-14 07:49:09 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Anyway, jackholes who think Texas is just Mississippi West or something aren't worth the time to correct. You can't fix that kind of ignorant.


Well, you have to admit that the area over there around Lumberton down into Vidor is Klan country.
 
2013-08-14 08:07:46 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: BojanglesPaladin: DeaH: So, if she has children, both she and her wife are recognized under the law as legal parents? And she and her wife (I assume they are legally married as they would be in Mass) receive all the same legal benefits as straight people who are married?

Call me crazy, but I think you already have an answer to that one all worked out in your head already.

But as to your original question, I think you can find your answer in the fact that just like everyone else, gays are moving here for the economic benefits. Probably because they are not single-concern units who base the entirety of their existence on their sexual preference, but rather thinking people with various concerns. A lot of people choose to take a good job with great prospects even if it is in a state that has a high state income tax.

And here's something that's gonna blow your mind. If two people are happily married, they are gonna be happily married with or without the tax benefits. I know a half dozen native Texan same sex couples with DECADES of married life under their belt together. More importantly, not all gay people WANT to be married.

So maybe you should stop with the "OMG, no true gay would move to Texas!" nonsense, and realize that Texas has plenty of wonderful, vibrant, proud, and incredibly open and happy gays and lesbians.

I doubt they're moving there from places that recognize their civil rights. That is a major point in favor of Massachusetts. Texas may have pockets where things aren't so bad, but your state legislature sure makes the state seem inhospitable to women, gay people, and, frankly, anyone who vales anything above low taxes. I have a friend who was offered an engineering job outside of Houston. The turned it down because they have kids and the tales of the Texas text books meant they couldn't put their kids in public schools. Now, if the state really does turn blue, this could all change on a dime.

Dude. No CARES that you don't like Texas. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Texas and Texans neither require nor requested your approval. But it's kinda cute that you think it matters to anyone.

Don't like it here? Don't move here. No one is asking you to. Even fewer than no one cares why you think Massachusetts is better. Stay the fark up there you stupid yankee. Meanwhile, people are leaving states like yours and coming here every day. Probably they just aren't as awesomely enlightened as you are and probably they just don't understand things as well as you do. Even the gay people who move here for a better life. I'll ask them why they didn't clear it with you first.


I don't live in the Northeast, you silly Texan. And people do care. That why so many people who move to Texas leave it. And that's who so many people resist moving there. Yes, big props to Wendy Davis. In the end, though, your Senate pushed the bill through. In the end, your state still directs that horrible text books that pervert both history and science pollute the rest of the country. If you're delusional enough to think people are just pouring out of other states for the opportunity to live in the paradise you think Texas is, hey, if it gets you through August in Texas, more power to you.
 
2013-08-14 08:15:49 PM  

DeaH: If you're delusional enough to think people are just pouring out of other states for the opportunity to live in the paradise you think Texas is, hey, if it gets you through August in Texas, more power to you.


North Dakota is the fastest growing state by percentage.  Texas is the second fastest growing state by percentage and the fastest by sheer number of new residents.

August isn't so bad, it almost nearly rained here today so the temp went below 90 by 7pm.  It feels like autumn!
 
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