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2013-08-13 08:02:47 AM
Red Sox fans? You mean White Sox, right?
 
2013-08-13 08:14:20 AM
That's some hustle, right there.
 
2013-08-13 08:16:58 AM

somedude210: Red Sox fans? You mean White Sox, right?


Red Sox traded him away in e three-way to get Peavey.
 
2013-08-13 08:23:28 AM

somedude210: Red Sox fans? You mean White Sox, right?


Nope, subby doesn't.


Also, he was safe.  Bad call by the ump.  Really good play by iglesias, really really close play at first.  not gonna fault the ump here, looked out in fast motion.  If you pause the video at the right frame, you can see the runner ties the ball to first.
 
2013-08-13 08:25:38 AM
Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?
 
2013-08-13 08:30:09 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Red Sox traded him away in e three-way to get Peavey.


oooooooooooooooooooooooh. Shows how much I've been caring about the Sox this year beyond an in-passing interest
 
2013-08-13 09:18:18 AM

SlothB77: Also, he was safe.  Bad call by the ump.  Really good play by iglesias, really really close play at first.  not gonna fault the ump here, looked out in fast motion.  If you pause the video at the right frame, you can see the runner ties the ball to first.


I don't know, the only angle they show on it is down the first base line. When the ball enters Fielder's glove, it's possible that the runner's foot was still in the air, descending towards first base. Without a side angle, it's almost impossible to tell whether he had made contact yet. But the umpire would have had a perfect view.

Regardless, it's  milliseconds apart, so I agree that it's an effective tie.
 
2013-08-13 09:57:07 AM
pfft.. Jeter does that every day
 
2013-08-13 09:57:36 AM
well, Prince Field is a pretty big target.
 
2013-08-13 09:59:31 AM
... why would they? there's good odds they sold him at the highest value he'll ever have to acquire a decent enough pitcher to ensure they make the playoffs.
 
2013-08-13 10:04:09 AM

Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?


LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
 
2013-08-13 10:08:32 AM
Thank you for beating the Tigers. Finally gain a game on them in the standings
 
2013-08-13 10:09:02 AM

Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?


Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.
 
2013-08-13 10:18:54 AM

wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.


The Tigers seem to only retire HoL members. Willie..arrrggg..Horton being the exception to the rule.
 
2013-08-13 10:37:13 AM
Ridonkulous.

/definitely my favorite commentators in the game
 
2013-08-13 10:45:01 AM

wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.


That's pretty shameful.
 
2013-08-13 10:45:42 AM
Firecracker
 
2013-08-13 10:56:54 AM

mediablitz: wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.

That's pretty shameful.


They Royals are super-stingy with their numbers as well...only Brett, Dick Howser and Frank White. Granted, we don't have any no-brainers as big as Trammell and Whitaker, but there are some that probably deserve it, like Sabes, Quiz, and Paul Splittorff definitely deserves it when you factor in his broadcasting career as well.
 
2013-08-13 11:09:45 AM

mediablitz: wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.

That's pretty shameful.


Sparky had to die and I think had there not been public pressure, Illitch wouldn't have done it.  I think it was cuz sparky wouldn't coach scab players during the strike and it ruffled illitch.

However, as much as I love Whitaker and Trammell, I'm not sure if they belong as retired numbers.  Greatest double play combo in baseball history might push it on there, but they can't even get into the Hall because the Hall is about the greatest, not the very good.

But you also have to take the generation into account.  I say hall votes should take that in, were they the best SS and 2B of the 80s and 90s?
 
2013-08-13 11:21:54 AM

mediablitz: wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.

That's pretty shameful.


Maybe it's because of the Red Wings, but I think that retiring a number should be more distinguished than the Hall of Fame.  If you're not good enough for the Hall, I think you're REALLY not good enough to have your number retired.
 
2013-08-13 11:22:27 AM

You Are All Sheep: mediablitz: wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.

That's pretty shameful.

Sparky had to die and I think had there not been public pressure, Illitch wouldn't have done it.  I think it was cuz sparky wouldn't coach scab players during the strike and it ruffled illitch.

However, as much as I love Whitaker and Trammell, I'm not sure if they belong as retired numbers.  Greatest double play combo in baseball history might push it on there, but they can't even get into the Hall because the Hall is about the greatest, not the very good.

But you also have to take the generation into account.  I say hall votes should take that in, were they the best SS and 2B of the 80s and 90s?


Both of them should be in the Hall, easy.
 
2013-08-13 11:28:28 AM

meanmutton: mediablitz: wxboy: Gulper Eel: Wait, the Tigers never retired Lou Whitaker's number?

Nor Alan Trammell's number.  Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long.  Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.

That's pretty shameful.

Maybe it's because of the Red Wings, but I think that retiring a number should be more distinguished than the Hall of Fame.  If you're not good enough for the Hall, I think you're REALLY not good enough to have your number retired.


As a 50 year old A's fan, it is my firm opinion those two should have their numbers retired. HoF credentials can be argued, but those two WERE the Tigers.
 
2013-08-13 11:34:11 AM
Not only do the Red Sox have the best record in the AL, they have the third best record in the league. If the Sox were tanking this season then I might have some gripes with their trades. Glad that Inglesias is doing well.
 
2013-08-13 11:35:51 AM
Well... current Red Sox shortstop Stephen Drew is hitting .422 since the trade, so I'm pretty sure Red Sox fans are pretty ok with it. Personally, I'm just happy Iglesias gets the chance to play every day. Good kid, I hope he does well.
 
2013-08-13 11:41:59 AM

wxboy: Nor Alan Trammell's number. Hopefully they get around to it soon, but they seem to always wait way too long. Tram and Lou might have to be dead to get such treatment.


That's a bit of a surprise there.

Oh, and lots of Red Sox fans didn't want to see Igelsias go.  They think Ozzie Smith potential, even though there's a possible All-Star waiting in the wings in Xander Bogaerts.
 
2013-08-13 11:51:57 AM

KrmtDfrog: ... why would they? there's good odds they sold him at the highest value he'll ever have to acquire a decent enough pitcher to ensure they make the playoffs.


And I bet they took advantage of a team that knew they were going to lose their shortstop for the rest of the year due to steroids...
 
2013-08-13 11:52:56 AM
Yeah, I was shocked we traded so much glove away for so little arm, but then Iglesias has always been a problem: Poor hitter, slow to mature, regressing daily whenever he stayed in the majors and blocking a better prospect from coming up,

Still, I'm also glad he gets to play every day at a team that probably could do with some more defense, fewer donuts.

Now if we could only get more than a bag of balls for Will Middlebrooks...
 
2013-08-13 11:52:57 AM

bscm80: Well... current Red Sox shortstop Stephen Drew is hitting .422 since the trade, so I'm pretty sure Red Sox fans are pretty ok with it. Personally, I'm just happy Iglesias gets the chance to play every day. Good kid, I hope he does well.


As a Red Sox fan, this does help a lot.  Also hope Iglesias does well.
 
2013-08-13 12:04:14 PM

Dafatone: Both of them should be in the Hall, easy.


Yeah.  Trammell is still eligible, but he only got 33% last year, and the ballot is crowded thanks to that stupidity.

Among the new arrivals: Maddux and Big Hurt are locks.  Glavine and Mussina have strong cases and should get in also.  Schilling, Bagwell, Piazza, Raines, etc. all got passed over in 2013 for no real good reason.  I'm not crazy about Biggio but he might get in.  97-year-old douchebags will give votes to Jack Morris yet again.  The PED guys will siphon votes but not reach 75%.  Tough for Trammell to crack all that given the limited number of positive votes each voter is allowed.

Lou Whitaker falling off on the first ballot (2001, 2.9%) was ridiculous.  Dave Stewart got more votes.  Tom Henke was very close.  Some townie gave a vote to Jim DeShaies that year as a joke.  Steve Fricking Garvey got 33% that year, and he's nowhere the player Whitaker was.  (Same length of career, virtually identical hitting stats... you know, similar except one was a crappy 1B and the other was an excellent 2B.)
 
2013-08-13 12:04:35 PM
From what I understand - and I'm not a trade rumor aficiando, so this may be wrong - Iglesias was traded because he's got a great glove but his bat kind of sucks, especially not getting to play every day. With the rest of Detroit's lineup, they can stand to trade some offense for some great defense at shortstop.
 
2013-08-13 12:08:31 PM

chimp_ninja: Dafatone: Both of them should be in the Hall, easy.

Yeah.  Trammell is still eligible, but he only got 33% last year, and the ballot is crowded thanks to that stupidity.

Among the new arrivals: Maddux and Big Hurt are locks.  Glavine and Mussina have strong cases and should get in also.  Schilling, Bagwell, Piazza, Raines, etc. all got passed over in 2013 for no real good reason.  I'm not crazy about Biggio but he might get in.  97-year-old douchebags will give votes to Jack Morris yet again.  The PED guys will siphon votes but not reach 75%.  Tough for Trammell to crack all that given the limited number of positive votes each voter is allowed.

Lou Whitaker falling off on the first ballot (2001, 2.9%) was ridiculous.  Dave Stewart got more votes.  Tom Henke was very close.  Some townie gave a vote to Jim DeShaies that year as a joke.  Steve Fricking Garvey got 33% that year, and he's nowhere the player Whitaker was.  (Same length of career, virtually identical hitting stats... you know, similar except one was a crappy 1B and the other was an excellent 2B.)


If Morris gets in, then screw it, everyone should.  Kevin Brown.  David Cone.  Al Leiter.  Rey Ordonez.  Mike Bordick.
 
2013-08-13 12:14:32 PM
Go Pirates!
 
2013-08-13 12:20:57 PM

chimp_ninja: Some townie gave a vote to Jim DeShaies that year as a joke.


Jim Deshaies' personal HOF campaign was one of the greatest things ever and it would have been a shame if he hadn't gotten at least one vote.

He had a website, www.putjdinthehall.com, and it was glorious.  It's defunct now (and in fact I just tried it and it was blocked by my virus program).  But his list of reasons was hilarious, at least for its time (we're a little spoiled for Internet hilarity today).  I remember "because a ball hit that far has to have been thrown hard."
 
2013-08-13 12:28:55 PM
Doesn't matter.  Jeter will still get the gold glove.
 
2013-08-13 12:34:41 PM

lilbjorn: Doesn't matter.  Jeter will still get the gold glove.


I was about to make a joke about errors, but even in the only 4 games at SS he's played this year, he has an error.
 
2013-08-13 12:42:45 PM
Certainly looks like the ump turned away for a minute, based on the call.
 
2013-08-13 12:48:35 PM

thecpt: Ridonkulous.

/definitely my favorite commentators in the game


"Ladies and Gentlemen, that just happened"
 
2013-08-13 12:52:00 PM
Keep in mind, baseball fans - there is no "tie goes to the runner" rule.

/But yeah - he was safe.
 
2013-08-13 01:12:54 PM
I'm still missing Jhonny PEDralta, I hope José gets his bat going.
 
2013-08-13 01:32:59 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: somedude210: Red Sox fans? You mean White Sox, right?

Red Sox traded him away in e three-way to get Peavey.


And then he went and made this one impressive play. Damn the luck!

Yeah...I think RS fans are going to be all right, thanks.
 
2013-08-13 01:48:20 PM
No one argued that he didn't have a damn good glove. And I don't think there are Sox fans who think getting Peavey was the best thing ever. But he's better than Lester this year, and they had a bit of a log jam at SS with Xander Bogaerts almost ready to come up. Rumor has it there was other behind-the-scenes stuff with Iglesias that hastened his departure, but I never lend too much credit to that type of rumor.
 
2013-08-13 01:50:48 PM

AteMyBrain: Three Crooked Squirrels: somedude210: Red Sox fans? You mean White Sox, right?

Red Sox traded him away in e three-way to get Peavey.

And then he went and made this one impressive play. Damn the luck!

Yeah...I think RS fans are going to be all right, thanks.


WinoRhino: No one argued that he didn't have a damn good glove. And I don't think there are Sox fans who think getting Peavey was the best thing ever. But he's better than Lester this year, and they had a bit of a log jam at SS with Xander Bogaerts almost ready to come up. Rumor has it there was other behind-the-scenes stuff with Iglesias that hastened his departure, but I never lend too much credit to that type of rumor.


There's some Tiger fan out there who keeps submitting links with headlines implying that the Tigers are the greatest thing ever and all other teams must be jealous and/or quaking in their boots.  This is just another one and I wouldn't pay it too much mind.
 
2013-08-13 02:27:28 PM
Dodger fan -

But when I was ten I heard that if you sent a self addressed stamped envelope with a baseball card to a major leaguer - you had a good chance to get it returned signed.

Loved baseball cards (never cared for autographs that much) - decided to give it a try - put together letters and cards to about 30 different players c/o the stadium address.

About 10 replied - often times with something you could tell was presigned and either returned my card unsigned or not at all (I assumed some PR guy was doing the handling)

Trammell - sent the card back signed with a thank you and signature on the letter.

Whiticker - good ole sweet Lou wrote a personal letter saying he was keeping my letter - signed my card - included a signed team set a couple of 8x10s and a plush tiger all in a box that was shipped priority mail.

/csb
 
2013-08-13 02:40:03 PM
The shortstop position for the Red Sox is like a real like Defense against the Dark Arts


/Which makes Nomar Voldemort?
 
2013-08-13 02:44:54 PM

KrmtDfrog: ... why would they? there's good odds they sold him at the highest value he'll ever have to acquire a decent enough pitcher to ensure they make the playoffs.


Ensure they make the playoffs like 2011?

#epicmeltdown
 
2013-08-13 02:48:09 PM

Super Chronic: AteMyBrain: Three Crooked Squirrels: somedude210: Red Sox fans? You mean White Sox, right?

Red Sox traded him away in e three-way to get Peavey.

And then he went and made this one impressive play. Damn the luck!

Yeah...I think RS fans are going to be all right, thanks.

WinoRhino: No one argued that he didn't have a damn good glove. And I don't think there are Sox fans who think getting Peavey was the best thing ever. But he's better than Lester this year, and they had a bit of a log jam at SS with Xander Bogaerts almost ready to come up. Rumor has it there was other behind-the-scenes stuff with Iglesias that hastened his departure, but I never lend too much credit to that type of rumor.

There's some Tiger fan out there who keeps submitting links with headlines implying that the Tigers are the greatest thing ever and all other teams must be jealous and/or quaking in their boots.  This is just another one and I wouldn't pay it too much mind.


That's standard behavior for them.
 
2013-08-13 03:13:43 PM

Rincewind53: SlothB77: Also, he was safe.  Bad call by the ump.  Really good play by iglesias, really really close play at first.  not gonna fault the ump here, looked out in fast motion.  If you pause the video at the right frame, you can see the runner ties the ball to first.

I don't know, the only angle they show on it is down the first base line. When the ball enters Fielder's glove, it's possible that the runner's foot was still in the air, descending towards first base. Without a side angle, it's almost impossible to tell whether he had made contact yet. But the umpire would have had a perfect view.

Regardless, it's  milliseconds apart, so I agree that it's an effective tie.


Ahh the old tie goes to the runner falsehood...
 
2013-08-13 03:22:12 PM

Krustofsky: bscm80: Well... current Red Sox shortstop Stephen Drew is hitting .422 since the trade, so I'm pretty sure Red Sox fans are pretty ok with it. Personally, I'm just happy Iglesias gets the chance to play every day. Good kid, I hope he does well.

As a Red Sox fan, this does help a lot.  Also hope Iglesias does well.


This trade, as I said before, reminds me of the Hanley Ramirez/Beckett trade.  Both teams get what they need, however in the long-term, Ramirez lasted longer in MLB, as I believe Iglesias will as well.
 
2013-08-13 03:34:58 PM
I'm actually with subby here. I think this kid may be special.
 
2013-08-13 04:05:43 PM
WinoRhino: Rumor has it there was other behind-the-scenes stuff with Iglesias that hastened his departure, but I never lend too much credit to that type of rumor.

sidebar threadjack
the Boston media gets pissy about Bill Belichick not doing their jobs for them, yet they often know who's doing steroids or at least who's drinking the amphetamine spiked coffee.  They know who slept with Keith Foulke's wife, they know why Varitek was divorced, and they know what Iglesias is up to.  And they don't research, write, or print any of it.  So F them for not verifying (or squashing) rumors., even if it's just "bad clubhouse guy" stuff...

Exception, of course, is when an unnamed source (*cough* Larry Lucchino*cough*) plants the info directly with the Globe and insists they print it.
 
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