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(Politico)   Eric Holder's mandatory gamble on some minimum sentencing   (politico.com) divider line 34
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2013-08-13 07:51:32 AM
Holder is worse than Ed Meese.
 
2013-08-13 07:51:51 AM
I support this initiative.
 
2013-08-13 07:55:44 AM
Good on Holder.

Let's see who comes in to defend Mandatory Minimums.

/anyone else want to say Holder like "Hodor!"?
//Holdor!
 
2013-08-13 07:57:50 AM

somedude210: Good on Holder.

Let's see who comes in to defend Mandatory Minimums.

/anyone else want to say Holder like "Hodor!"?
//Holdor!


i595.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-13 07:58:14 AM
This is very good.  I am well pleased by this.

Kudos to Holder/Obama.

However, there are reasons to doubt how committed President Barack Obama is to the issue. He did little on the subject during his first four years in office ...

Hmm...I wonder what's different about the second term that might embolden him to act...?
 
2013-08-13 07:59:57 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: somedude210: Good on Holder.

Let's see who comes in to defend Mandatory Minimums.

/anyone else want to say Holder like "Hodor!"?
//Holdor!

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*golf clap*
 
2013-08-13 08:00:48 AM
VJarrett :  Your approvals with youngsters are down because of your pot policies.
0bummer:  Oh no, we're gonna need those kids, what can we do?
Holder:  I got this one.
 
2013-08-13 08:02:40 AM

somedude210: Doctor Funkenstein: somedude210: Good on Holder.

Let's see who comes in to defend Mandatory Minimums.

/anyone else want to say Holder like "Hodor!"?
//Holdor!

[i595.photobucket.com image 310x206]

*golf clap*


I wish I could take credit for it but I just did a GIS for 'holdor' and thar she be.  It's beautiful.  That should be his business card.
 
2013-08-13 08:02:42 AM
So politico has a paywall now.
 
2013-08-13 08:03:47 AM
This is literally the only time I can remember when I have agreed with a public statement by Holder, or not desperately hoped he would go away. Dude's incompetent and usually full of crap, but I guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

/nobody should spend any time in jail for drugs
//we have overly long sentences for lots of other crimes too
///USA number 1... In putting people in prison
 
2013-08-13 08:08:12 AM
So first you crack down on MMJ dispensaries, then proceed to complain that it's too expensive to prosecute minor Federal crimes...

Sure Holder, here's some cake...
 
2013-08-13 08:12:36 AM

Lionel Mandrake: This is very good.  I am well pleased by this.

Kudos to Holder/Obama.

However, there are reasons to doubt how committed President Barack Obama is to the issue. He did little on the subject during his first four years in office ...

Hmm...I wonder what's different about the second term that might embolden him to act...?


Well, he accomplished a lot in his first term. This is a pretty risky issue to champion because society is seen to be, by and large, in favor of incarceration. But it also helps soften the simple minded that want Obama to be softer on Snowden and marijuana .
 
2013-08-13 08:23:06 AM
Grats on finally catching up to such progressive states like Texas and Georgia...
 
2013-08-13 08:25:28 AM

Kuroshin: So first you crack down on MMJ dispensaries, then proceed to complain that it's too expensive to prosecute minor Federal crimes...

Sure Holder, here's some cake...


Puzzling, yes, but regardless of the political motivation, I'll still say this is a good thing.
 
2013-08-13 08:33:43 AM
It's a pretty farked up country where people think that letting judges do their damn jobs is a "gamble".
 
2013-08-13 08:47:48 AM

Lionel Mandrake: This is very good.  I am well pleased by this.

Kudos to Holder/Obama.

However, there are reasons to doubt how committed President Barack Obama is to the issue. He did little on the subject during his first four years in office ...

Hmm...I wonder what's different about the second term that might embolden him to act...?


He's getting uppity...it happens.
 
2013-08-13 08:50:02 AM
But on a serious note...why not do something about people being arrested in the first place and over prosecution bs?  Just because someone doesn't go to jail for carrying weed doesn't mean having it on their record will not have repercussions in finding a job down the road.
 
2013-08-13 09:02:54 AM

Marcus Aurelius: It's a pretty farked up country where people think that letting judges do their damn jobs is a "gamble".


Technically, a judge enforcing mandatory minima on the books IS doing his job. What Holder is calling for is a bit of the ol' Judicial Activism.

Which is fine by me. Mandatory minima are like zero tolerance policies - fine in theory and in probably 80-85% of cases (even though a "slightly-more-than-zero tolerance" policy would have caught it as well), but that last 15-20% is where you have some REALLY messed up results.

And at the macro level, it becomes apparent that what we've gotten good at is not investigation or lawmaking, it's incarceration.
 
2013-08-13 09:05:56 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: VJarrett :  Your approvals with youngsters are down because of your pot policies.
0bummer:  Oh no, we're gonna need those kids, what can we do?
Holder:  I got this one.


Question: Why would a second-term president care about his approval rating with a certain demographic?
 
2013-08-13 09:20:22 AM

Slappajo: But on a serious note...why not do something about people being arrested in the first place and over prosecution bs?  Just because someone doesn't go to jail for carrying weed doesn't mean having it on their record will not have repercussions in finding a job down the road.


Before William Bennett and his "suburban parents don't want their kids to smoke pot" drug war, being found with under an ounce was a ticket. It didn't prevent one from getting a job any more than a speeding ticket would have. This was actually a Nixon drug policy that chose to focus on harder drugs like heroin. It wasn't until Reagan appointed Bennett that marijuana for personal use was a misdemeanor, tops.
 
2013-08-13 09:33:53 AM
Holder's memo: Link
 
2013-08-13 09:38:44 AM
But remember, Obama is the exact same as Bush, and does nothing good.
 
2013-08-13 09:42:47 AM

somedude210: Good on Holder.

Let's see who comes in to defend Mandatory Minimums.

/anyone else want to say Holder like "Hodor!"?
//Holdor!


Holdor: Where the shadows lie.
 
2013-08-13 09:45:36 AM
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2013-08-13 09:48:36 AM
Looks like he finally looked in the mirror.  It's kind of hard to blast the "injustice" of the Zimmerman verdict when you're directly responsible for the systematic, for-profit, wholesale incarceration of hundreds of thousands of predominately poor and African American young men in our senseless pursuit of the drug war.

This is a good first step, but this is motivated by PR, a token bone thrown to the black community to massage them for when the Justice Department announces they cannot bring charges against Zimmerman (probably later this week, on Friday) but we have a long way to go before we abandon the notion that people who use drugs should be in jail to begin with.

/he doesn't think it's wrong to jail drug users
//he and the administration are (rightfully) taking heat over the fact that our drug laws are racist and counter-productive
 
2013-08-13 09:51:18 AM

ikanreed: But remember, Obama is the exact same as Bush, and does nothing good.


Because people say that.....
 
2013-08-13 09:53:25 AM

Fark It: ikanreed: But remember, Obama is the exact same as Bush, and does nothing good.

Because people say that.....


Yes, people say that.  Whether or not they believe that crap, who knows.
 
2013-08-13 10:16:16 AM
I look forward to the day when we recognize drug abuse as a problem for health professionals and not for prisons.
 
2013-08-13 10:19:17 AM
This is a good thing. Hopefully some legislation will come by to make this more permanent, but this is sure as hell a good start.
 
2013-08-13 10:35:30 AM
The crooks who run the private prison industry, the podunk police departments getting loot from civil forfeitures and military hardware from Uncle Sam, and the wannabe Napoleons in the DEA will never allow any letup in the War on Civil Liberties Drugs.
 
2013-08-13 10:56:26 AM
So bad it will never work, rehabilitation will never be the money maker that jails are.
After all, most people still think that rehabilitation should be mostly successful, nobody thinks that jail time is actually helping people.

People and governments won't paid for something they expect to be helpful to 90+% of subjects and does not.
 
2013-08-13 12:19:07 PM
Vague, partial details start to show up at the end of the 5th paragraph. Everything before that is rambling nothingness.

fark you Politico.
 
2013-08-13 02:47:17 PM

Slives: People and governments won't paid for something they expect to be helpful to 90+% of subjects and does not.


At this point I'd settle for 50%.  Heck, I'd settle for 'better results for less cost than prison'.

It's part of the reason I want to legalize drugs.  A large part of our remaining violence is the war on drugs.  End that, treat it like a medical issue, allow users to buy drugs elsewhere than the unsafe black market(both adulteration and violence), allow them to be under police protection even when high, etc...

It's not that I think doing drugs is 'cool', it's that I believe the harm prohibition causes is worse than 'legalize, tax, and regulate'.
 
2013-08-13 03:54:23 PM
Meanwhile the San Francisco police chief's come right out and said "Drug-use is a public health issue, not a criminal one."

So thanks, Holder, for some national-level support!
 
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