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2013-08-13 11:10:50 AM
2 votes:

EyeballKid: Lifeless: That's better than Reggie Jackson, and by a large margin. If that's all you've got keeping him out, then your argument falls before the first hurdle.

Reggie Jackson actually won something on a team once. Big diff.


I was unaware that we changed the game of baseball to be a one-on-one competition.

Man, Ken Griffey is almost as terrible at baseball as Ted Williams.  That guy sucked so bad he only made the postseason once.
2013-08-13 10:42:45 AM
2 votes:

Super_pope: Baseball and its fans are such a weird thing to me, because most people AGREE it isn't fun to watch, its an outing punctuated by some random excitement on occasion.  They treat it like its sacrosanct or something though, which is insane to me.


Different people like different things. Saying things like "most people AGREE" is confirmation bias.

I love watching baseball. I can appreciate the nuance of every pitch. A lot of people can't or don't.. that's cool. If something I like is not your bag, no skin off my nose. It's the "stop liking what I don't like" crowd that's a pest.

I like football, but I'm nowhere near as passionate about it as baseball, or as much as the average sports Farker seems to be. I played both in HS (pitcher and defensive back) , so I understand the nuance of every down too.. I just don't care as much.
2013-08-13 10:29:55 AM
2 votes:

EyeballKid: /Reds fan
/Griffey Jr. belongs in the HOF...as the biggest bust in the history of baseball.


..a guy 6th on the all-time homer list is a bust?

Ultimately didn't fulfill his career potential sure, but hardly a bust.
2013-08-13 10:00:16 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: Nadie_AZ: ManateeGag: No shiat.  he's be in the hall of fame by now, praised as a hero by most.

Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.

Which is ironic since 2, 3 and 4 did PEDs as well. Amphetamines are also performance enhancing drugs


Really? We're going to equate greenies with the mad-scientist lab experiment that was late 90's/early 00's Barry Bonds? If there's no level of distinction then why not just declare coffee and cigs PED's and burn Cooperstown to the ground?
2013-08-13 09:51:27 AM
2 votes:
They haven't given too many gamblers a second chances in the world of baseball.

Perhaps that is because since 1919 every ball payer has been told repeatedly what the penalty is for betting on baseball.

I'm uncertain if the people who, after all this time, ask how him betting on the Reds to win is a bad thing truly don't understand or are being willfully obtuse.

Rose has $10,000 on today's game, nothing on tomorrow's. Do you honestly think he's not going to take risks to win today's game that he wouldn't otherwise?

No matter what effects the other behaviors have, betting (for or against your own team) is the only activity that can create incentives to lose or to prefer winning this game rather than that game. That is why MLB treats it as harshly as it does.
2013-08-13 09:42:45 AM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: sigdiamond2000: remus: How is betting on your team to WIN a problem?

Because it affects the way you manage a game, possibly putting your players at risk.

How so?


Miguel Cabrera injures his hip flexor in the bottom of the 8th fielding a ground ball in a tie game. Leyland has 10 large on the game, so instead of taking Cabrera out, he makes him bat in the top of the 9th. Cabrera proceeds to tear his hip flexor trying to beat out a ground ball and misses the rest of the season.

There are an infinite amount of scenarios where betting on your own team to win can actually hurt your team, to say nothing about "integrity of the game" issues.
2013-08-13 09:37:19 AM
2 votes:

remus: ElwoodCuse: Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?  Besides the 1919 Black Sox and a bunch of panty twisters with their shorts in knots?

Betting on baseball is a one-year ban. Betting on a game involving your team, to win or lose, is a lifetime ban.

How is betting on your team to WIN a problem?  Shouldn't you be trying to win anyway?  I don't see how this conflicts with your interests.  Now, betting on your team to lose?  Ya, you betcha, that's a lifetime ban.


Ask Mario Soto. Google "Mario Soto and Pete Rose". Report back with your findings.

As a player/manager, you bet on the game and you ruin the integrity of the game, putting the outcomes on par with professional wrestling. Like was said earlier, PEDs = bad. Betting on the game = worse.
2013-08-13 09:31:25 AM
2 votes:
It's 20-goddamn-13 and people still need to be told that betting on your sport is bad. We have failed as a society
2013-08-13 09:28:06 AM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?


A manager doesn't need to be betting against his team, or even on the game he's managing, in order to corrupt the decisions he makes.
2013-08-13 11:31:10 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: Lifeless: That's better than Reggie Jackson, and by a large margin. If that's all you've got keeping him out, then your argument falls before the first hurdle.

Reggie Jackson actually won something on a team once. Big diff.

All the pro-Jr.'s arguments boil down to are "well, he was injured so often he clearly wasn't taken 'roids" and "mah childhood."


No. They boil down to the fact that his career numbers show he was one of best power hitters ever, while also being an excellent defender. Batting average doesn't have much to do with how voters judge power hitters. And, in Jr.'s case the argument for the HOF isn't even a particularly tough one.

If you had a career parallel Griffey's and you lastest 22 years -- many cut short by injuries -- hitting .256, with an OBP of .376, slugging .503 and mashing about 26 home runs a year (573 total) with decent defense, you're most likely gonna end up a hall of famer eventually unless you have any hint of PED use -- even if you don't win a world series. You just had Harmon Killebrew's career, by the way.

Jr.'s numbers are better across the board.
2013-08-13 11:29:29 AM
1 votes:
Fortunately next year's hall of fame idiocy will just be "ok who's the jackass that didn't vote for Maddux"
2013-08-13 11:20:58 AM
1 votes:

The Bestest: Will his hobbled years hurt his HoF considerations? Sure, as they should, but how can you call someone still being considered a "bust"?


I doubt it.  If Pete Rose hadn't gambled, he would have no problem getting in on the first ballot, and he tacked on a ton of hobbled years.  Heck, as a player-manager, he was putting himself into games at his team's expense, so he had even less excuse.

Ditto Andruw Jones, who I also think should make the Hall, but I admit is a much more borderline call than Griffey.  Defense tends to be largely unappreciated, but Jones has a "Brooks Robinson" case, and he was a better overall player than some of the other glove-first inductees (Maranville, Mazeroski, etc.).
2013-08-13 11:17:28 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?  Besides the 1919 Black Sox and a bunch of panty twisters with their shorts in knots?


The problem is that for the better part of 30 years he walked past a sign in the clubhouse that said 'If you bet on baseball, you will be banned for life'(all the clubhouses have them) and then he bet on baseball. Then he was shocked that he was banned or life.
2013-08-13 11:07:47 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: The Bestest: ..a guy 6th on the all-time homer list is a bust?

Ultimately didn't fulfill his career potential sure, but hardly a bust.

He was a great player for 10 years.
He played for 20 years.
You can't act like the shiat half of his career didn't happen, unless the HOF has sections for partial careers. Among those inductees could be Will Clark, for those years he was good with the Giants, or Tommy John before the famous surgery, and Mark Fidyrich.

Career BA: .284. Really? That's a Hall of Famer?


Batting average is only one measure of productivity, and it's not a very good one.  Juan Pierre is a career .295 hitter, and he sucks.

Ken Griffey Jr. had ridiculous power, and he was a premiere defender at one of the game's more difficult positions.  He got on base at a .370 clip, which is plenty respectable for a slugger.

He was in the conversation for the best non-Bonds player in baseball for a full decade.  He then got injured, added 5-6 partial years of decent baseball, and then tacked on 4 years of meh.  That's more than plenty of Hall of Famers accomplish.

By WAR, he's 56th all-time, 34th among position players.  Nearly all of that value was 2005 and earlier, but it's still there.

Better center fielders than Griffey: Mantle, Mays, Cobb, DiMaggio, Speaker.  Throw in Oscar Charleston if the stories are even remotely true.  But he's a clear top-10 all-time CF, and that's more than enough to be Hall-worthy.

For the record, Griffey was a better player than Pete Rose ever was.
2013-08-13 10:59:46 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: The Bestest: ..a guy 6th on the all-time homer list is a bust?

Ultimately didn't fulfill his career potential sure, but hardly a bust.

He was a great player for 10 years.
He played for 20 years.
You can't act like the shiat half of his career didn't happen, unless the HOF has sections for partial careers. Among those inductees could be Will Clark, for those years he was good with the Giants, or Tommy John before the famous surgery, and Mark Fidyrich.

Career BA: .284. Really? That's a Hall of Famer?


That's better than Reggie Jackson, and by a large margin. If that's all you've got keeping him out, then your argument falls before the first hurdle.
2013-08-13 10:17:31 AM
1 votes:
Meanwhile, this guy is still in baseball. Such bullsh*t.

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2013-08-13 09:57:50 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Let's make believe the same scenario you just presented happens during the wild card playoff. In that case, Jim Leland is going to make Cabrera go to bat. That means that the wild card playoff is just as bad as betting on baseball.


Managers don't manage regular season games like they manage playoff games - ESPECIALLY win or go home playoff games. That is, unless they have money on the regular season game
2013-08-13 09:36:23 AM
1 votes:

remus: How is betting on your team to WIN a problem?


Because it affects the way you manage a game, possibly putting your players at risk.
2013-08-13 09:27:29 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?  Besides the 1919 Black Sox and a bunch of panty twisters with their shorts in knots?


Betting on baseball is a one-year ban. Betting on a game involving your team, to win or lose, is a lifetime ban.
2013-08-13 09:17:30 AM
1 votes:

ManateeGag: No shiat.  he's be in the hall of fame by now, praised as a hero by most.


Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.
2013-08-13 03:13:57 AM
1 votes:
It's not an apples-to-apples comparison.  Gambling is not the same as PED's.  Whether PED's actually give someone an advantage over another on the field of play is debatable.  What is not debatable is the ethics of a manager or player wagering money on the outcome of games -especially games they are participating in.

(Pete Rose says he never bet on his team -that may be true but who knows except his bookie?)
 
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