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2013-08-13 12:59:45 PM  

Killer Cars: True...really, any "long" regular season requires a certain management from a coach of when to lose and when to actually go for it.


It's not really "when to lose" it's more "when to care less about winning."

Like late in the season the Heat started resting their starters...but their backups kept winning games. Or earlier in the season when the Spurs sent their starters home early on a road trip and then almost beat the Heat...they weren't really trying to lose, per se...it's just that winning was less important than rest.
 
2013-08-13 01:02:19 PM  

sigdiamond2000: remus: How is betting on your team to WIN a problem?

Because it affects the way you manage a game, possibly putting your players at risk.


And looking the other way while your players juice up... doesn't?
 
2013-08-13 01:04:35 PM  

EyeballKid: Gunny Highway: And we arent seriously talking about Griffey not being a HOFer are we?

Only that rarest of sliver of humanity that remembered Ken Griffey Jr. playing baseball after 1999.


Hey passes the eye test, he passes the stats test, he passes the iconic play test, he passes the best player at his position for x years test.

Stop it.
 
2013-08-13 01:07:50 PM  

EyeballKid: Gunny Highway: And we arent seriously talking about Griffey not being a HOFer are we?

Only that rarest of sliver of humanity that remembered Ken Griffey Jr. playing baseball after 1999.


Only the Reds fan that doesn't care about anything other than how he was a bust for the Reds.
 
2013-08-13 01:12:00 PM  

chimp_ninja: Ditto Andruw Jones, who I also think should make the Hall, but I admit is a much more borderline call than Griffey. Defense tends to be largely unappreciated, but Jones has a "Brooks Robinson" case, and he was a better overall player than some of the other glove-first inductees (Maranville, Mazeroski, etc.).


MUCH more borderline.

I say this as a former longtime Brave fan, who was overjoyed at ages 19-2...6? AJ and was glad to see him go. .240 is not a good look for anyone, even a defensive wizard like Andruw.

// that said, he definitely belongs in Curacao's HOF
 
2013-08-13 01:13:52 PM  

IAmRight: Killer Cars: True...really, any "long" regular season requires a certain management from a coach of when to lose and when to actually go for it.

It's not really "when to lose" it's more "when to care less about winning."

Like late in the season the Heat started resting their starters...but their backups kept winning games. Or earlier in the season when the Spurs sent their starters home early on a road trip and then almost beat the Heat...they weren't really trying to lose, per se...it's just that winning was less important than rest.


Then Rose would be a complete idiot to bet on his team in those games.

But when his starter is far and away better than the other team's starter, and his hitters are on a solid streak, it would be smart to make a bet. Considering Rose's history of gambling, I have to assume he knows this much.

It's conjecture to think that he would keep his starter in a little too long just to get the win, or he would tell his runners to steal home and take out the catcher so he could bet on the next game without said catcher, or anything along those lines.

I know why it's not allowed, but betting on your own team is far from the biggest sin in pro sports.
 
2013-08-13 01:15:24 PM  

homarjr: IAmRight: Killer Cars: True...really, any "long" regular season requires a certain management from a coach of when to lose and when to actually go for it.

It's not really "when to lose" it's more "when to care less about winning."

Like late in the season the Heat started resting their starters...but their backups kept winning games. Or earlier in the season when the Spurs sent their starters home early on a road trip and then almost beat the Heat...they weren't really trying to lose, per se...it's just that winning was less important than rest.

Then Rose would be a complete idiot to bet on his team in those games.

But when his starter is far and away better than the other team's starter, and his hitters are on a solid streak, it would be smart to make a bet. Considering Rose's history of gambling, I have to assume he knows this much.

It's conjecture to think that he would keep his starter in a little too long just to get the win, or he would tell his runners to steal home and take out the catcher so he could bet on the next game without said catcher, or anything along those lines.

I know why it's not allowed, but betting on your own team is far from the biggest sin in pro sports.


Did he bet on his team every night?
 
2013-08-13 01:16:44 PM  

homarjr: I know why it's not allowed, but betting on your own team is far from the biggest sin in pro sports.


It's a hell of a lot worse than taking any kind of drug.
 
2013-08-13 01:22:12 PM  

homarjr: Then Rose would be a complete idiot to bet on his team in those games.

But when his starter is far and away better than the other team's starter, and his hitters are on a solid streak, it would be smart to make a bet. Considering Rose's history of gambling, I have to assume he knows this much.


Vegas lines are going to price in the fact that his starter's better and the line will shift accordingly.  He's only got an edge if he's using the fact that he's the ultimate lineup decision maker to play different guys than most of the bookmakers expect.  Start dicking the bookies around, who knows what happens.  Also, unless he bets the same on every single game which games he bets on and how much becomes a tell.  Rose is only slightly less of an idiot than Lenny Dykstra.
 
2013-08-13 01:22:19 PM  

Gunny Highway: homarjr: IAmRight: Killer Cars: True...really, any "long" regular season requires a certain management from a coach of when to lose and when to actually go for it.

It's not really "when to lose" it's more "when to care less about winning."

Like late in the season the Heat started resting their starters...but their backups kept winning games. Or earlier in the season when the Spurs sent their starters home early on a road trip and then almost beat the Heat...they weren't really trying to lose, per se...it's just that winning was less important than rest.

Then Rose would be a complete idiot to bet on his team in those games.

But when his starter is far and away better than the other team's starter, and his hitters are on a solid streak, it would be smart to make a bet. Considering Rose's history of gambling, I have to assume he knows this much.

It's conjecture to think that he would keep his starter in a little too long just to get the win, or he would tell his runners to steal home and take out the catcher so he could bet on the next game without said catcher, or anything along those lines.

I know why it's not allowed, but betting on your own team is far from the biggest sin in pro sports.

Did he bet on his team every night?


You tell me. Did he? What kind of details do we know around his gambling history?

I honestly don't know.
 
2013-08-13 01:23:01 PM  

homarjr: IAmRight: Killer Cars: True...really, any "long" regular season requires a certain management from a coach of when to lose and when to actually go for it.

It's not really "when to lose" it's more "when to care less about winning."

Like late in the season the Heat started resting their starters...but their backups kept winning games. Or earlier in the season when the Spurs sent their starters home early on a road trip and then almost beat the Heat...they weren't really trying to lose, per se...it's just that winning was less important than rest.

Then Rose would be a complete idiot to bet on his team in those games.

But when his starter is far and away better than the other team's starter, and his hitters are on a solid streak, it would be smart to make a bet. Considering Rose's history of gambling, I have to assume he knows this much.

It's conjecture to think that he would keep his starter in a little too long just to get the win, or he would tell his runners to steal home and take out the catcher so he could bet on the next game without said catcher, or anything along those lines.

I know why it's not allowed, but betting on your own team is far from the biggest sin in pro sports.


Correct.

It is far from assaulting your opponent in an attempt to cripple them, such as Tonya Harding.

It isn't quite as bad as betting against your team.

That is about it.
 
2013-08-13 01:26:18 PM  

IAmRight: homarjr: I know why it's not allowed, but betting on your own team is far from the biggest sin in pro sports.

It's a hell of a lot worse than taking any kind of drug.


I'm not denying that, but it's not NEARLY as bad as betting against your team. It's not worse than intentionally hurting other players (not something I think Rose ever tried to do - he just played hard, even in exhibition games). I'm sure the list goes on.

Taking drugs is whatever to me. Everyone does it. I'm pro-Bonds. He's the best player of all time, bar none.
 
2013-08-13 01:44:09 PM  

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: machoprogrammer: Nadie_AZ: ManateeGag: No shiat.  he's be in the hall of fame by now, praised as a hero by most.

Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.

Which is ironic since 2, 3 and 4 did PEDs as well. Amphetamines are also performance enhancing drugs

Really? We're going to equate greenies with the mad-scientist lab experiment that was late 90's/early 00's Barry Bonds? If there's no level of distinction then why not just declare coffee and cigs PED's and burn Cooperstown to the ground?

Stimulants are a gigantic advantage over the course of a long season. Possibly moreso than steroids, particularly with regards to non power metrics. And why is one banned substance ok but others are not? Is Gaylord Perry's spitball cheating? Is a player getting Lasik cheating?


Cheating means you broke the rules.  Were there rules against using stimulants back in the day?
Also, I don't know about the rest of the players but Hank Aaron is a man of the highest character.  He shouldn't be painted with the same brush as the others.
 
2013-08-13 01:48:43 PM  
homarjr:

Did he bet on his team every night?

You tell me. Did he? What kind of details do we know around his gambling history?

I honestly don't know.


Rose says he did.  Dowd report says he didnt.  The evidence says he didnt bet on one game Soto pitched.  Why didnt he bet on his team that night?
 
2013-08-13 01:54:32 PM  

Earguy: Pete Rose was my boyhood hero.  My mom used a laundry marker on a white tee shirt to make a Pete Rose jersey for me, how cute is that?  Pete deserved to be un-banned and put in the Hall of Fame.

However, this is Pete Rose's corked bat.

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x480]


From the comments:

"I expect better out of Pete Rose. Like using depleted uranium, or bone marrow, inside the bat. That would've been a real innovation "
 
2013-08-13 02:14:14 PM  

puckrock2000: Yeah, right - like he wasn't on greenies just like every other player in the 60s and 70s.


exactly, I don't gamble like Pete but I would bet he nose bombed into piles of coke back in the day too.  May have even downed some mushroom soup with Doc Ellis.
 
2013-08-13 03:03:48 PM  

Gunny Highway: homarjr:

Did he bet on his team every night?

You tell me. Did he? What kind of details do we know around his gambling history?

I honestly don't know.

Rose says he did.  Dowd report says he didnt.  The evidence says he didnt bet on one game Soto pitched.  Why didnt he bet on his team that night?


Of course, Rose has already admitted to lieing for 15 years about betting on the Reds. Which only makes sense to try and make himself look better in the media. He may not be the most reliable source.
 
2013-08-13 03:44:53 PM  

Dr Dreidel: chimp_ninja: Ditto Andruw Jones, who I also think should make the Hall, but I admit is a much more borderline call than Griffey. Defense tends to be largely unappreciated, but Jones has a "Brooks Robinson" case, and he was a better overall player than some of the other glove-first inductees (Maranville, Mazeroski, etc.).

MUCH more borderline. I say this as a former longtime Brave fan, who was overjoyed at ages 19-2...6? AJ and was glad to see him go. .240 is not a good look for anyone, even a defensive wizard like Andruw.


Let's compare him to Andre Dawson.  Andruw has a better OBP (.337 to .323), similar SLG (.486 to .483), and similar HR total (434 to 438).  Essentially the same offensive player, with Andruw's OBP advantage tempered by Dawson being a better baserunner.  (Not that Andruw was a bad baserunner until he got old/hurt/fat.)  Add in "Andruw is a defensive wizard at a tougher position." (Dawson played a lot of RF), and that's a pretty good case, even if you think Andre Dawson was a mistake.  (I do.  Hall of Very Good material.)

You might also compare him to Robin Yount... similar OBP (.337 to Yount's .342), similar defensive rep (good SS/CF vs. excellent CF), but Jones has a huge edge in power (56 points of SLG and 183 extra HR).

Both Yount and Dawson played longer, but the gap isn't huge.  It's not a slam-dunk for Andruw, and it comes down to how valuable you think his defense really was.  He's obviously a far superior hitter to the big-name glove-first guys (Ozzie/Mazeroski/Brooks/etc.), and he has a similar bat to guys who were "good" defenders at tougher middle infield positions (Cal/Banks/Sandberg/etc.).

// that said, he definitely belongs in Curacao's HOF

Given that the second-best MLB player in history from Curacao so far is .... Roger Bernadina?  Randall Simon?  Probably Jair Jurrjens.  Maybe Jurickson Profar once he plays a few years.

I think Andruw is a shoo-in for that one.  Of course, it's probably located in his dining room or something.  Curacao is tiny.
 
2013-08-13 03:48:28 PM  
I stopped caring too much about baseball ~15 years ago, but when I was younger, Ken Griffey Jr was far and away my favorite player. I've still got his jersey somewhere at home, even though it's covered in blood from one of the times I got my ass kicked pretty soundly in elementary school.

The Griffey Jr. and Glavine/Smoltz/Maddux/Avery eras were some good times to grow up in for sure.
 
2013-08-13 03:54:58 PM  
What Bill James had to say about Ken Griffey Jr., placing him as the 7th all-time greatest centerfielder:

"The second-best left-handed hitting, left-handed throwing outfielder ever born in Donora, Pennsylvania on November 21."

Of course, Stan Musial was just ahead of him.

Does Ken Griffey Jr. belong in the Hall of Fame? They could eliminate 90% of the Hall of Fame, and Ken Griffey Jr. would still belong.
 
2013-08-13 04:30:47 PM  

chimp_ninja: It's not a slam-dunk for Andruw, and it comes down to how valuable you think his defense really was.


Which is why I say he's more borderline than Junior Griffey. That's not a knock on him - I like the kid, and his defense certainly makes him Hall-worthy, but I also think that his awful hitting after his mid-20s will turn some voters off.

// the Curacao stuff was tongue-in-cheek, sorry it left you blue
 
2013-08-13 04:38:43 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // the Curacao stuff was tongue-in-cheek, sorry it left you blue


Not at all.  I just couldn't think of a second player from Curacao off the top of my head, but BR lets you click on a country and see the whole list.

/Bam-bam Meulens!  Those were rough years for NY.
 
2013-08-13 05:54:15 PM  

EyeballKid: Nadie_AZ: Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.

And, immediately after leaving, Griffey injured his hamstring and was unable to offer commentary until mid 2014.

/Reds fan
/Griffey Jr. belongs in the HOF...as the biggest bust in the history of baseball.


Biggest bust? Tell me you're farking joking...the fact that he constantly got hurt is a testament to the fact that he never doped.
 
2013-08-13 06:00:05 PM  
Ok, I responded to EyeballKid before I had finished reading the thread. Now I'm convinced the guy is a farking troll.
 
2013-08-13 06:40:29 PM  

keepitcherry: Ok, I responded to EyeballKid before I had finished reading the thread. Now I'm convinced the guy is a farking troll.


Butthurt Reds fan is also a decent possibility.
 
2013-08-13 07:12:55 PM  

velvet_fog: Self-righteous baseball writers need to get over themselves and their PED witchhunt. No one else gives a shiat. Sorry, but baseball records aren't sacred. It's entertainment. It's no better than the WWE and should be treated appropriately.


Pete Rose is already in the WWE Hall of Fame.
 
2013-08-13 07:54:26 PM  

keepitcherry: EyeballKid: Nadie_AZ: Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.

And, immediately after leaving, Griffey injured his hamstring and was unable to offer commentary until mid 2014.

/Reds fan
/Griffey Jr. belongs in the HOF...as the biggest bust in the history of baseball.

Biggest bust? Tell me you're farking joking...the fact that he constantly got hurt is a testament to the fact that he never doped.


Not necessarily. Doping can lead to weakened tendons and a lot of Griffey's injuries were of the non-breakdown type IIRC. Not that I  am certain he  was juicing, but it doesn't really mean much.
 
2013-08-13 08:51:43 PM  

machoprogrammer: Nadie_AZ: ManateeGag: No shiat.  he's be in the hall of fame by now, praised as a hero by most.

Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.

Which is ironic since 2, 3 and 4 did PEDs as well. Amphetamines are also performance enhancing drugs


You arent supposed to talk about amphetamines in baseball or any of the other drugs that were not regulated against.  It makes MLB look disengenious regarding PED's.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Frederick: It's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Correct.

Frederick: Whether PED's actually give someone an advantage over another on the field of play is debatable.

Not really.  It is debatable in only the loosest sense.


By all accounts from players who have used, PED's benefits are in recovering from injury, not in actually enhancing performance.  Listen to former players from before PED's were illegal such as Mike Golic.  Some even say steroids hinder performance.

There is certainly debate.
 
2013-08-13 08:59:11 PM  

Super_pope: Cubs300: PEDs = bad. Betting on the game = worse.

Becoming freakish hulk-men plagued by bouts of extreme aggression with massacred endocrine systems that will probably never function properly again for the sake of a game, with massively boosted chances for bone fractures and ruptured tendons and things: Not so bad

Betting on a game: Unforgivable, cause potentially, maybe, it could possibly put one of your players at risk.  I checked out that Mario Soto story.

Baseball and its fans are such a weird thing to me, because most people AGREE it isn't fun to watch, its an outing punctuated by some random excitement on occasion.  They treat it like its sacrosanct or something though, which is insane to me.


Different games have different appropriate consumption venues. Baseball is boring as hell on TV because of the venue and interruptions (commercials). Baseball in an actual stadium is a lot of fun. In that sense it's a much lighter form of hokey, which is only watchable in person.

/Surprisingly, auto racing becomes an actual entertaining sport on the radio.
 
2013-08-13 09:33:17 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?

A manager doesn't need to be betting against his team, or even on the game he's managing, in order to corrupt the decisions he makes.


you are a complete moron and should remove yourself entirely from the internet forever.

Pete rose bets on his team to win. it corrupts his managing to win HOW? exactly? shouldn't he be trying to win every game and isn't he just providing himself with extra motivation? jesus Christ you are weapons grade stupid.

He never bet on his team to lose.
 
2013-08-13 09:48:40 PM  

poisonedpawn78: sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?

A manager doesn't need to be betting against his team, or even on the game he's managing, in order to corrupt the decisions he makes.

you are a complete moron and should remove yourself entirely from the internet forever.

Pete rose bets on his team to win. it corrupts his managing to win HOW? exactly? shouldn't he be trying to win every game and isn't he just providing himself with extra motivation? jesus Christ you are weapons grade stupid.

He never bet on his team to lose.


This has been explained.  Look up Mario Soto.

Also, don't be a dick and be wrong at the same time.  It's kinda unbecoming.
 
2013-08-13 10:40:20 PM  

Dafatone: This has been explained. Look up Mario Soto.


He was just so focused on the basketball and hockey games that time that he forgot to place the bet on his team.  Honest mistake.  Totally understandable.
 
2013-08-13 10:47:29 PM  

poisonedpawn78: sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?

A manager doesn't need to be betting against his team, or even on the game he's managing, in order to corrupt the decisions he makes.

you are a complete moron and should remove yourself entirely from the internet forever.

Pete rose bets on his team to win. it corrupts his managing to win HOW? exactly? shouldn't he be trying to win every game and isn't he just providing himself with extra motivation? jesus Christ you are weapons grade stupid.

He never bet on his team to lose.


You have no reason to believe that, other than that Rose, a known liar, says so. It doesn't matter anyway, as has been already explained to you by other smart people ITT. You are makinig a fool of yourself, and it is time for you to stop posting.
 
2013-08-13 11:34:27 PM  

poisonedpawn78: shouldn't he be trying to win every game


Not really. You know you wont win every game. You play to win your division and win in the playoffs. You plan to lose some and you cut your losses when things go badly. And at the end of the season, if you aren't in a pennant race, this is even more true. You keep your big guys safe for the playoffs or next season. You get your young guys experience to help you next year or up their trade value. Etc.

You don't put your ace out on short rest in order to win the last game of the season when 22 games out of the playoffs and pitch a long complete game facing 39 batters. It doesn't matter of you go 70-92 instead of 69-93. This is something Rose actually did (he put Soto out on short rest repeatedly, but this was perhaps the most egregious offense).
 
2013-08-13 11:42:00 PM  
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mysbfiles.stonybrook.edu
 
2013-08-14 01:29:12 AM  

Dafatone: poisonedpawn78: sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Did Pete ever bet against his team?

Then what's the problem exactly?

A manager doesn't need to be betting against his team, or even on the game he's managing, in order to corrupt the decisions he makes.

you are a complete moron and should remove yourself entirely from the internet forever.

Pete rose bets on his team to win. it corrupts his managing to win HOW? exactly? shouldn't he be trying to win every game and isn't he just providing himself with extra motivation? jesus Christ you are weapons grade stupid.

He never bet on his team to lose.

This has been explained.  Look up Mario Soto.

Also, don't be a dick and be wrong at the same time.  It's kinda unbecoming.


2nd'd
 
2013-08-14 03:15:16 AM  
"It's good that Rose has been professing accountability in recent years, but he did the exact opposite of that for far too long."


Other than Ryan Braun, exactly who is it who has taken accountability in the PED scandals of the past few years?
 
2013-08-14 03:31:35 AM  

Alphakronik: "It's good that Rose has been professing accountability in recent years, but he did the exact opposite of that for far too long."


Other than Ryan Braun, exactly who is it who has taken accountability in the PED scandals of the past few years?


What's your definition of "accountability"?  Several players have apologized to fans, others have accepted suspensions as punishment, and others have admitted use.
 
2013-08-14 06:54:20 AM  
I love Pete Rose.  Pete Rose will always be my favorite player.

but..

Yes, Pete, you should have picked drugs.  you SHOULD have picked alcohol.  Maybe even beating your wife (I mean how much damage can a slap hitter do?).

you should not have bet on baseball.  you knew that.  end of story.
 
2013-08-14 06:56:00 AM  

Nadie_AZ: ManateeGag: No shiat.  he's be in the hall of fame by now, praised as a hero by most.

Seattle recently honored Ken Griffey Jr at a home game against the Brewers. He sat down with the Milwaukee announcers for an inning. At one point they flashed the top 6 leaders in Home Runs. He was asked about how he felt to be in that company:

1 Bonds
2. Aaron
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5. Rodruiguez
6. Griffey Jr

He paused. "Numbers 2, 3 and 4" he replied and commented on how great they were. Silence ensued. He left and later they talked of his not-so-silent indictment of Bonds and Rodruiguez.


I will never get how people assume aaron, ruth, and mays never did any cheating.
 
2013-08-14 09:09:11 AM  

I sound fat: I will never get how people assume aaron, ruth, and mays never did any cheating.


Cheating was invented in 1994, during the strike.
 
2013-08-14 09:13:10 AM  

DeWayne Mann: I sound fat: I will never get how people assume aaron, ruth, and mays never did any cheating.

Cheating was invented in 1994, during the strike.


There is something to be said for the HOF inducting known spitball pitcher/scuffers/sanders/cut into their museum.  Im not sure what it is but I think it is related to this subject.
 
2013-08-14 09:19:02 AM  

Gunny Highway: DeWayne Mann: I sound fat: I will never get how people assume aaron, ruth, and mays never did any cheating.

Cheating was invented in 1994, during the strike.

There is something to be said for the HOF inducting known spitball pitcher/scuffers/sanders/cut into their museum.  Im not sure what it is but I think it is related to this subject.


As we learned earlier in the thread, because the spitball was legal until the 1920s, it cannot be considered cheating now.
 
2013-08-14 09:30:15 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: DeWayne Mann: I sound fat: I will never get how people assume aaron, ruth, and mays never did any cheating.

Cheating was invented in 1994, during the strike.

There is something to be said for the HOF inducting known spitball pitcher/scuffers/sanders/cut into their museum.  Im not sure what it is but I think it is related to this subject.

As we learned earlier in the thread, because the spitball was legal until the 1920s, it cannot be considered cheating now.


Whitey must be relieved.  This whole issue and the HOF is really turning me off.

I do plan on being there when Vlad gets in though because I am a hypocrite and a stupid fan.  Sue me.
 
2013-08-14 09:35:46 AM  

Gunny Highway: Vlad gets in though


I'm fairly sure he played after 1994 and is therefore a cheater. Sorry, no HOF.
 
2013-08-14 09:39:13 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: Vlad gets in though

I'm fairly sure he played after 1994 and is therefore a cheater. Sorry, no HOF.


but...but...no batting glove......*tears*
 
2013-08-14 09:44:23 AM  

Gunny Highway: DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: Vlad gets in though

I'm fairly sure he played after 1994 and is therefore a cheater. Sorry, no HOF.

but...but...no batting glove......*tears*


Sounds like cheating to me. If not wearing gloves didn't give him an unfair advantage, he'd wear them like everyone else.
 
2013-08-14 10:13:25 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: Vlad gets in though

I'm fairly sure he played after 1994 and is therefore a cheater. Sorry, no HOF.

but...but...no batting glove......*tears*

Sounds like cheating to me. If not wearing gloves didn't give him an unfair advantage, he'd wear them like everyone else.


Also, I have it on good authority that he had considerable hand strength.  That's a sure sign of cheating-- he was probably too strong to put on batting gloves without ripping them, giving him the unfair advantage of not wearing them.

He has not released photographic evidence disproving bacne, furthermore and comma.
 
2013-08-14 11:03:40 AM  

chimp_ninja: DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: DeWayne Mann: Gunny Highway: Vlad gets in though

I'm fairly sure he played after 1994 and is therefore a cheater. Sorry, no HOF.

but...but...no batting glove......*tears*

Sounds like cheating to me. If not wearing gloves didn't give him an unfair advantage, he'd wear them like everyone else.

Also, I have it on good authority that he had considerable hand strength.  That's a sure sign of cheating-- he was probably too strong to put on batting gloves without ripping them, giving him the unfair advantage of not wearing them.

He has not released photographic evidence disproving bacne, furthermore and comma.


He also got injured once, JUST LIKE A CHEATER WOULD.
 
2013-08-14 01:55:28 PM  

DeWayne Mann: He also got injured once, JUST LIKE A CHEATER WOULD.


And then he recovered.  And you know what ELSE assists injury recovery?
 
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