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(National Review)   Slate, New Republic and Mother Jones refuse to print "Redskins." "If we're feeling sassy we'll call them 'The Washington [Redacted]'"   (nationalreview.com) divider line 163
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2013-08-13 07:27:21 AM
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?
 
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2013-08-13 08:34:53 AM

cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?


Yes, there are plenty of whites who like to see themselves as the defenders of the downtrodden, but it could just be that they are the ones with most of the magazines and web-sites.

I can imagine how black people would like it is some team called themselves the "black-skins".
 
2013-08-13 08:39:45 AM
The Washington RG3s
 
2013-08-13 08:54:52 AM
Hand-wringing aside, the Slate piece was actually well-written and reasoned.  TL;DR version: Is "Redskins" that bad?  No.  Is it completely tacky?  Yes.  Would a new team in the last 20-30 years have ever called themselves "Redskins?"  Hell no.

But now it is a political issue, and that means that the heels are dug in permanently.  The "change it" people are too outraged and the "keep it" people are too protective from "PC gone wild."
 
2013-08-13 09:00:31 AM
 
2013-08-13 09:08:20 AM
i'm a big fan of tradition, but "redskin" is pretty much the native american version of "spearchucker."
 
2013-08-13 09:10:22 AM

cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?


I think so.  I do think Native Americans have a problem with the name but I haven't really looked into it...

But that does remind me of a CSB - One of my good friends is Chinese (Cantonese, came here in her mid 20s).  I remember one day when she used the word "Oriental".  I told her that some people here in America get offended over that.  She was floored as to why and then commented that they were probably ABCs or white people.
 
2013-08-13 09:16:37 AM

cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?


It's just you.
 
2013-08-13 09:20:26 AM

factoryconnection: The "change it" people are too outraged and the "keep it" people are too protective from "PC gone wild."


It's weird that people take such a strong sense to keep using that word, knowing its history.  I can understand indifference, but not the heels-dug-in, you'll-pry-that-word-and-my-feral-pig-from-my-cold-dead-hands insistence on wanting to keep it.

And yes, there's no way a new team would ever use a term 1/10th as offensive.

I liked the suggestion of the "Washington Pigskins".  The pig is their unofficial mascot anyway, it keeps the flow of the name, and it incorporates old-school football slang.
 
2013-08-13 09:24:29 AM
"Hey guys. Bleeding heart liberals are being all bleeding heart so lets make ourselves look like racist morons instead of just shutting up."
 
2013-08-13 09:25:59 AM

UberDave: cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?

I think so.  I do think Native Americans have a problem with the name but I haven't really looked into it...


They pursued a lawsuit all the way to the honkeys on the Supreme Court, who turned it down. The Trademark Office had determined that the term was offensive, but the district and appeals courts reversed, saying that the native americans had waited too long and should've filed suit back in 1930 when they had so much political power and ability, rather than now.
 
2013-08-13 09:26:04 AM
Washington Bureaucrats.

/that way they'll always win...the bureaucrats always win
 
2013-08-13 09:28:15 AM
The Washington Redskins is now a liberal/conservative thing.  Stick it to the libs by cheering for a bad football team in Washington.

American Political Discourse:  2013.
 
2013-08-13 09:28:43 AM

chimp_ninja: And yes, there's no way a new team would ever use a term 1/10th as offensive.


Of course, no one is publicly freaking out about the UNCF or NAACP to change their names, although both organizations are now just basically a "I dare you to speak the full name of this organization on air, white newscaster" at this point.  "Redskins" is said with regularity and aplomb with regards to football on air and in print.
 
2013-08-13 09:28:52 AM

cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?


Sounds to me like the Marketplace of Ideas has one they'd like to share with the rest of us. If Slate, et al want to look like ninnies, that's on them - and if Dan Snyder wants to bullheadedly keep a team name that rapidly falls out of use (and is increasingly seen as offensive), that's on him.

// multimillion-dollar-media-conglomerate fight!
 
2013-08-13 09:29:36 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Washington Bureaucrats.

/that way they'll always win...the bureaucrats always win


Washington Redtapes?
 
2013-08-13 09:29:51 AM
Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things
 
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2013-08-13 09:30:13 AM
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2013-08-13 09:35:30 AM

js34603: Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things


Slate did have Gregg Easterbrook do his TMQ column there several years ago.
 
2013-08-13 09:35:32 AM

FlashHarry: i'm a big fan of tradition, but "redskin" is pretty much the native american version of "spearchucker."


I grew up on a reservation and was unaware for years that I was supposed to be offended by the term "redskin"

It still doesn't bother me one bit.
 
2013-08-13 09:36:24 AM

cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?


fark their white savior guilt complex.
 
2013-08-13 09:37:59 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Washington Bureaucrats.

/that way they'll always win...the bureaucrats always win


You bet your sweet black ass we do.
 
2013-08-13 09:42:09 AM
Up next:
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2013-08-13 09:43:04 AM

meanmutton: js34603: Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things

Slate did have Gregg Easterbrook do his TMQ column there several years ago.


Slate's NFL writing is pretty good.  I'll take Stefan Fatsis over Skip Bayless any day.
 
2013-08-13 09:43:53 AM
I hope they do Notre Dame next.
 
2013-08-13 09:45:15 AM
No DC sports fan wants the name to change because of how badly they farked that up with the Bullets.
 
2013-08-13 09:45:28 AM

Rapmaster2000: meanmutton: js34603: Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things

Slate did have Gregg Easterbrook do his TMQ column there several years ago.

Slate's NFL writing is pretty good.  I'll take Stefan Fatsis over Skip Bayless any day.


Sorry being better than Skip Bayless doesn't get you to pretty good. There's plenty of pretty good NFL writing out there...it isn't a choice of Slate v. Skip Bayless.
 
2013-08-13 09:46:13 AM
Just wait until the people in Mumbai and Delhi hear what Cleveland calls its rounders team.
 
2013-08-13 09:47:19 AM
I hate political correctness and I think using a name like Sioux, Seminoles, Blackhawks is fine but there is simply no way you can say Redskins is not a racial slur and there is no way the team would be named that today
 
2013-08-13 09:47:32 AM

js34603: I hope they do Notre Dame next.


The irish are so oppressed and marginalized these days
 
2013-08-13 09:48:02 AM

Rapmaster2000: meanmutton: js34603: Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things

Slate did have Gregg Easterbrook do his TMQ column there several years ago.

Slate's NFL writing is pretty good.  I'll take Stefan Fatsis over Skip Bayless any day.


Screw it, most of Slate's writing is pretty good.  I certainly hold differing political views than are common on the website but it's nice to see well written, well thought out, intelligent analysis of politics, culture, and economics from people holding a different perspective than me.  Plus, there's Amanda Marcotte, who has no doubt become the world's most successful Internet troll.  No sarcasm -- she's farking brilliant at it.
 
2013-08-13 09:49:34 AM

js34603: Rapmaster2000: meanmutton: js34603: Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things

Slate did have Gregg Easterbrook do his TMQ column there several years ago.

Slate's NFL writing is pretty good.  I'll take Stefan Fatsis over Skip Bayless any day.

Sorry being better than Skip Bayless doesn't get you to pretty good. There's plenty of pretty good NFL writing out there...it isn't a choice of Slate v. Skip Bayless.


I realize it's an extreme example, but ESPN is Skip Bayless now.  It's all screaming garbage for mooks and meatheads.  What sportswriters do you like?
 
2013-08-13 09:50:23 AM

factoryconnection: TheShavingofOccam123: Washington Bureaucrats.

/that way they'll always win...the bureaucrats always win

Washington Redtapes?


Jello Biafra suggested the Washington Bribes.  (see "Mascot-Mania")
 
2013-08-13 09:50:34 AM

Hang On Voltaire: I hate political correctness and I think using a name like Sioux, Seminoles, Blackhawks is fine but there is simply no way you can say Redskins is not a racial slur and there is no way the team would be named that today


To me, there are two groups which are profoundly racist: The Redskins and the Cleveland Indians.  There's no way that anyone can look at this logo and think it's NOT racist --

mlbreports.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-13 09:51:39 AM

meanmutton: Rapmaster2000: meanmutton: js34603: Awful day. Where can I get my football news if not for Slate, Mother Jones, and the other one?

There just isn't anyone else who covers the NFL as thoroughly and insightfully as Slate, Father James, and the other one. Hopefully losing the insightful coverage of Slats, Ma Kettle, and the other one will spur the NFL to action so their fans do not miss the amazing NFL coverage provided by those three...papers? Or are they magazines? Websites?

/Dan Snyder, tear down that nickname! So that we may all be free to enjoy the fine football analysis provided by these three...things

Slate did have Gregg Easterbrook do his TMQ column there several years ago.

Slate's NFL writing is pretty good.  I'll take Stefan Fatsis over Skip Bayless any day.

Screw it, most of Slate's writing is pretty good.  I certainly hold differing political views than are common on the website but it's nice to see well written, well thought out, intelligent analysis of politics, culture, and economics from people holding a different perspective than me.  Plus, there's Amanda Marcotte, who has no doubt become the world's most successful Internet troll.  No sarcasm -- she's farking brilliant at it.


Troy Patterson is the greatest troll over there.  "Fireworks Suck" was beautiful and so flat out intentional:  http://www.slate.com/articles/life/a_fine_whine/2009/07/fireworks_suc k .html

As far as non-trolls on Slate go, I like Seth Stevenson so much that I bought his book.  His travel writing is very entertaining.
 
2013-08-13 09:52:22 AM

cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?


That may be because we have done a pretty good job of making sure those who would actually be offended have zero voice.

/honestly thinks every home crowd should chant "racist nickname" whenever the Redskins come to town.
 
2013-08-13 09:54:09 AM
The other thing to consider is that while the name may be mildly offensive to some, it's actually a kind of compliment.

In the United States, we generally name football teams after people and animals that we deem to have great courage and fighting ability.  There are some local exceptions, of course, but you don't see the opposite.  There is no team called the "North Dakota Milquetoasts" or the "Wyoming Possums".
 
2013-08-13 09:55:06 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: TheShavingofOccam123: Washington Bureaucrats.

/that way they'll always win...the bureaucrats always win

You bet your sweet black ass we do.


Why's it always got to be my sweet black ass?
 
2013-08-13 09:56:58 AM

Trapper439: Just wait until the people in Mumbai and Delhi hear what Cleveland calls its rounders team.


They probably won't give a crap, since unlike "Redskins" there is nothing inherently offensive about "Indians." Or Braves, or Warriors, or Seminoles, or Illini, etc.
 
2013-08-13 10:00:36 AM
You want to talk about racist nicknames? What about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? How dare Notre Dame insinuate that every Irishman is a lush who can't stop himself from getting uncontrollably piss-my-pants drunk and starting gigantic brawls?
 
2013-08-13 10:01:31 AM

Willas Tyrell: Trapper439: Just wait until the people in Mumbai and Delhi hear what Cleveland calls its rounders team.

They probably won't give a crap, since unlike "Redskins" there is nothing inherently offensive about "Indians." Or Braves, or Warriors, or Seminoles, or Illini, etc.


Actually, someone (white) told me (mi wuk) that I should be offended by "Indian" because I'm not from India. I just can't work up the rage.
 
2013-08-13 10:01:34 AM

sigdiamond2000: Report: Redskins' Name Only Offensive If You Think About What It Means

Wagner recommended that the NFL franchise should change their name to something more appropriate and historically accurate, such as the Washington Racist farks.


Oh, man, I wish this would get some traction. Lulz all around
 
2013-08-13 10:01:48 AM

dittybopper: The other thing to consider is that while the name may be mildly offensive to some, it's actually a kind of compliment.

In the United States, we generally name football teams after people and animals that we deem to have great courage and fighting ability.  There are some local exceptions, of course, but you don't see the opposite.  There is no team called the "North Dakota Milquetoasts" or the "Wyoming Possums".


It's not the fact that they named themselves after Native Americans.  It's the fact that they used a racial slur to do it.
 
2013-08-13 10:02:50 AM
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2013-08-13 10:10:58 AM

Serious Black: You want to talk about racist nicknames? What about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? How dare Notre Dame insinuate that every Irishman is a lush who can't stop himself from getting uncontrollably piss-my-pants drunk and starting gigantic brawls?


If the nickname was "The Irish", the implication would be that all from the Emerald Isle are bearded, diminutive, and punch-happy. The addition of the adjective, to me, suggests that the name is meant to evoke a subset of Irish - those that do like to fight.

If the DC team was named "The Fighting Redskins" it'd still be offensive because the term "redskin" is.

// sure, colloquially everyone calls them "the Irish", but that's hardly the same
 
2013-08-13 10:11:19 AM

Spade: cman: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who are biatching the loudest about using the "Redskin" name are really damn white?

fark their white savior guilt complex.


I've never understood the minority approach to white guilt. Is it better to have a person not like you because of your color or to have a white person defend you because they feel you are not capable (isn't that insidiously more racist)? Maybe it's the 'enemy of my enemy' deal.

Meh, Redsdkins, Schmedskins...it's just a word. Grow up people.
 
2013-08-13 10:16:58 AM
Most valuable sports franchises in the world (slideshowy):

1)  Manchester United
2) Real Madrid
3) New York Yankees
4) Dallas Cowboys
5)  Washington Redskins

Ferrari?  Ranked 15th.

So, I doubt they're going to throw away the 5th most valuable sports brand *in the world* because of some web page butthurt.

Don't like the Skins?  Root for the Cowboys.  Nobody promised you a world where you wouldn't be "offended".
 
2013-08-13 10:18:04 AM

factoryconnection: chimp_ninja: And yes, there's no way a new team would ever use a term 1/10th as offensive.

Of course, no one is publicly freaking out about the UNCF or NAACP to change their names, although both organizations are now just basically a "I dare you to speak the full name of this organization on air, white newscaster" at this point.  "Redskins" is said with regularity and aplomb with regards to football on air and in print.



Neither "Negro" or "Colored People" were slurs at the time of their incorporation into those organizations' names.
"Redskins" was a slur at the time the team was formed.
 
2013-08-13 10:19:26 AM
Neither "Negro" or "Colored People" were slurs at the time of their incorporation into those organizations' names.
"Redskins" was a slur at the time the team was formed.



So, it's a successful example of "taking the word away from racists"?

Win?
 
2013-08-13 10:20:26 AM
The way racial slurs against native americans and other first peoples are tolerated and even celebrated is f*cking pathetic. We really should all be better than this.
 
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