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(The New York Times)   A federal judge has ruled that henceforth, police in NYC cannot put their hands on your crotch without a really really good reason   ( divider line
    More: Cool, Judges' Rules, federal judges, berg administration, fourth amendment, New York Police Department, New York County District Attorney, nyc  
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2013-08-12 10:04:20 AM  
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But your honor, he was acting suspiciously. He was wearing dark skin that made it seem like he was getting ready to hide in the shadows, and why would he be doing that if he was planning on following the law?
2013-08-12 10:18:53 AM  
2 votes:
But the TSA continues to grope innocent people every day of the year.

/I try to enjoy the pat-down and sometimes will ask them if they want to get together after work for coffee.
2013-08-12 09:59:13 AM  
2 votes:
Well, there goes my vacation plans.
2013-08-12 01:01:38 PM  
1 vote:

Teiritzamna: RightWingWacko: In other words... it's ok to violate a persons rights as long as you violate EVERYONES's rights equally!

More that under present precedent, you do not have a right to not be stopped and frisked by a police officer if the following applies:

1) reasonable suspicion that would justify a stop based on "specific and articulable facts";


2) a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the person detained may be "armed and dangerous."

of course, where the heck articulable reasonable suspicion is in the 4th amendment i dont know . . . .

That's a wildly over-optimistic interpretation of the current precedent... do you really think that, in a program where 88 percent of people arent cited or arrested for anything, that cops had a reasonable and articulable suspicion that would justify a stop, let alone a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the person detained may be armed?

The reality is that the program would end if white people and people of all ages who vote in greater numbers were subject to this same unreasonable idiocy, NYC will never have a racially unbiased stop and frisk program because when you start stopping and frisking I-bankers, lawyers, and business owners, the obviously unlawful program converts from a great tool for oppression into an all-out lawsuit magnet.
2013-08-12 12:40:06 PM  
1 vote:

Sybarite: I bet a lot of those stopped were wearing sneakers...for sneaking!

The problem with sneakers is too many secrets.
2013-08-12 11:53:42 AM  
1 vote:

zarberg: I lived in Brooklyn for 5 years and never had a cop grab my crotch. I feel cheated now.

you sound white
2013-08-12 11:26:58 AM  
1 vote:

Marcus Aurelius: Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: NYC police will do whatever the hell they want until such time as their superior officers tell them to stop.  And not a moment before.

You've never heard of Judge Shira Scheindlin, have you?

// PROTIP: Do NOT piss of Judge Shira Scheindlin

You mean the judge that ruled "Stop and Frisk" unconstitutional, only to lift the ban days later, due to the "burden" it would place on the poor little police officers?

Very harsh.

Pick another one, then.

I was referring more to the way she runs her courtroom - her reputation (which I know from general news readings and from a friend who argued cases in front of her) is that she tolerates no shiat and will make you hurt for futzing around with the law.
2013-08-12 10:54:26 AM  
1 vote:
In before the apologists arrive, already saw some on other sites saying that they were ok with this policy because it stopped crime. Unbelievable that some people would accept this for any reason.
2013-08-12 10:09:06 AM  
1 vote:
Is the city now expected to argue that "being brown" constitutes "good reason"?
2013-08-12 10:04:06 AM  
1 vote:
The simple fact that it is MY crotch is a pretty good reason.

Just sayin'.
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