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(The New York Times)   A federal judge has ruled that henceforth, police in NYC cannot put their hands on your crotch without a really really good reason   (nytimes.com) divider line 140
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2013-08-12 09:59:13 AM  
Well, there goes my vacation plans.
 
2013-08-12 10:04:06 AM  
The simple fact that it is MY crotch is a pretty good reason.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-08-12 10:04:20 AM  
But your honor, he was acting suspiciously. He was wearing dark skin that made it seem like he was getting ready to hide in the shadows, and why would he be doing that if he was planning on following the law?
 
2013-08-12 10:09:06 AM  
Is the city now expected to argue that "being brown" constitutes "good reason"?
 
2013-08-12 10:11:27 AM  
I bet a lot of those stopped were wearing sneakers...for sneaking!
 
2013-08-12 10:18:53 AM  
But the TSA continues to grope innocent people every day of the year.

/I try to enjoy the pat-down and sometimes will ask them if they want to get together after work for coffee.
 
2013-08-12 10:23:00 AM  
NYC police will do whatever the hell they want until such time as their superior officers tell them to stop.  And not a moment before.
 
2013-08-12 10:32:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: NYC police will do whatever the hell they want until such time as their superior officers tell them to stop.  And not a moment before.


You've never heard of Judge Shira Scheindlin, have you?

// PROTIP: Do NOT piss of Judge Shira Scheindlin
 
2013-08-12 10:54:26 AM  
In before the apologists arrive, already saw some on other sites saying that they were ok with this policy because it stopped crime. Unbelievable that some people would accept this for any reason.
 
2013-08-12 11:14:55 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: NYC police will do whatever the hell they want until such time as their superior officers tell them to stop.  And not a moment before.

You've never heard of Judge Shira Scheindlin, have you?

// PROTIP: Do NOT piss of Judge Shira Scheindlin


You mean the judge that ruled "Stop and Frisk" unconstitutional, only to lift the ban days later, due to the "burden" it would place on the poor little police officers?

Very harsh.
 
2013-08-12 11:26:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: NYC police will do whatever the hell they want until such time as their superior officers tell them to stop.  And not a moment before.

You've never heard of Judge Shira Scheindlin, have you?

// PROTIP: Do NOT piss of Judge Shira Scheindlin

You mean the judge that ruled "Stop and Frisk" unconstitutional, only to lift the ban days later, due to the "burden" it would place on the poor little police officers?

Very harsh.


Pick another one, then.

I was referring more to the way she runs her courtroom - her reputation (which I know from general news readings and from a friend who argued cases in front of her) is that she tolerates no shiat and will make you hurt for futzing around with the law.
 
2013-08-12 11:31:48 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: NYC police will do whatever the hell they want until such time as their superior officers tell them to stop.  And not a moment before.

You've never heard of Judge Shira Scheindlin, have you?

// PROTIP: Do NOT piss of Judge Shira Scheindlin

You mean the judge that ruled "Stop and Frisk" unconstitutional, only to lift the ban days later, due to the "burden" it would place on the poor little police officers?

Very harsh.

Pick another one, then.

I was referring more to the way she runs her courtroom - her reputation (which I know from general news readings and from a friend who argued cases in front of her) is that she tolerates no shiat and will make you hurt for futzing around with the law.


She may well be a very tough judge, but she hasn't altered stop and frisk in any way.  If anything, her remedies will be pointed to as proof that the "problem is being addressed", when in fact her remedies will have no effect whatsoever.
 
2013-08-12 11:49:44 AM  
That's going to cost you extra.

/grope grope.
 
2013-08-12 11:50:15 AM  
Asian massage, however, remains available on almost every block of Manhattan.
 
2013-08-12 11:50:19 AM  

Dimensio: Is the city now expected to argue that "being brown" constitutes "good reason"?


Well, Bloomberg has argued in the past that most of the people "match descriptions of suspects in crimes"...
 
2013-08-12 11:51:04 AM  
I lived in Brooklyn for 5 years and never had a cop grab my crotch. I feel cheated now.
 
2013-08-12 11:51:31 AM  
So no more hugs for the former mayor?
 
2013-08-12 11:51:37 AM  
Before we continue this discussion though -- are the cops hot?
 
2013-08-12 11:53:42 AM  

zarberg: I lived in Brooklyn for 5 years and never had a cop grab my crotch. I feel cheated now.


you sound white
 
2013-08-12 11:53:53 AM  
That isn't what the ruling says at all. The ruling says it's unconstitutional, but can continue, and an outside lawyer will be retained to provide reports on it every six months, but there's no injuction to stop or change the program in any specific way.
 
2013-08-12 11:53:54 AM  

dead: But the TSA continues to grope innocent people suspects every day of the year.

 
2013-08-12 11:54:31 AM  

freewill: Asian massage, however, remains available on almost every block of Manhattan.


As it should be.
 
2013-08-12 11:54:49 AM  
TFA: Noting that the Supreme Court had long ago ruled that stop-and-frisks were constitutionally permissible under certain conditions, the judge stressed that she was "not ordering an end to the practice of stop-and-frisk."

Sorry, Subby, but no. In the future, you might want to try reading your own article.
 
2013-08-12 11:54:50 AM  
"right wing" new york city groping brown people.
 
2013-08-12 11:57:19 AM  

firefly212: The ruling says it's unconstitutional, but can continue


The ruling says it's constitutional due to the racial profiling. Stop and frisk itself can continue, provided they address the race issue.
 
2013-08-12 11:59:05 AM  

dead: But the TSA continues to grope innocent people every day of the year.

/I try to enjoy the pat-down and sometimes will ask them if they want to get together after work for coffee.


purr very loudly and say a little harder please
 
2013-08-12 12:00:19 PM  

zarberg: I lived in Brooklyn for 5 years and never had a cop grab my crotch. I feel cheated now.


One of the drawbacks of being white... you should sue for racial discrimination.
 
2013-08-12 12:02:01 PM  
www.danielbjohnson.com
 
2013-08-12 12:02:04 PM  

dead: /I try to enjoy the pat-down and sometimes will ask them if they want to get together after work for coffee.


i bite my lip and sigh and ask them to do it again.  and call me a "dirty little whore"
 
2013-08-12 12:02:27 PM  
Not to be an ITG but I would have to be arrested for a cop to put their hands on me. Anytime other than that I'd better be paying her.
 
2013-08-12 12:04:38 PM  
Anthony Weiner's penis files an appeal.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-12 12:05:34 PM  
noooooo

images.wikia.com

wait.. what are we actually talking about?
 
2013-08-12 12:06:00 PM  
They really hate it when you fake orgasm in the middle.
 
2013-08-12 12:06:06 PM  

darth_badger: [www.danielbjohnson.com image 358x630]


True Blood last night.
 
2013-08-12 12:07:31 PM  
Is it still ok for the TSA to toss my junk at the airport?
 
2013-08-12 12:08:43 PM  

stuffy: They really hate it when you fake orgasm in the middle.


So does the TSA.

media.mlive.com
 
2013-08-12 12:09:43 PM  

remus: In before the apologists arrive, already saw some on other sites saying that they were ok with this policy because it stopped crime. Unbelievable that some people would accept this for any reason.


What if it kept the world from blowing up?  See how silly it seems to say "...for any reason"?  You'd take a grope to keep the planet from exploding.  Wouldn't you?  The question now is just how much less of a reason is still acceptable.
 
2013-08-12 12:11:08 PM  

Theaetetus: Sorry, Subby, but no. In the future, you might want to try reading your own article.


So wait, District Judges can't overturn the Supreme Court?
 
2013-08-12 12:12:25 PM  
meanwhile back in reality, law enforcement will continue to do as they damn well please across the entire country
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-12 12:13:20 PM  

remus: In before the apologists arrive, already saw some on other sites saying that they were ok with this policy because it stopped crime. Unbelievable that some people would accept this for any reason.


The people that are "for" this are not the people being targeted by the NYPD.  The ruling says that if the racial bias is removed from the day-to-day implementation of the policy it can be continued.

Watch the same people biatch and moan (as they do with the TSA) if/when that happens.
 
2013-08-12 12:15:06 PM  
Pfff. Being Black is a "good reason". Can't just let the darkies walk wherever they want!
 
2013-08-12 12:16:10 PM  

Theaetetus: firefly212: The ruling says it's unconstitutional, but can continue

The ruling says it's constitutional due to the racial profiling. Stop and frisk itself can continue, provided they address the race issue.


In other words... it's ok to violate a persons rights as long as you violate EVERYONES's rights equally!
 
2013-08-12 12:18:03 PM  

stuffy: They really hate it when you fake orgasm in the middle.


Who's faking?
 
2013-08-12 12:21:54 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: stuffy: They really hate it when you fake orgasm in the middle.

Who's faking?


Really.  Without the "happy ending" it's not even worth breaking the law.
 
2013-08-12 12:22:40 PM  

RightWingWacko: Theaetetus: firefly212: The ruling says it's unconstitutional, but can continue

The ruling says it's constitutional due to the racial profiling. Stop and frisk itself can continue, provided they address the race issue.

In other words... it's ok to violate a persons rights as long as you violate EVERYONES's rights equally!


That's part of the ruling, but the judge actually wrote that it violates both the 4th and 14th amendment rights, the racial component was addressed as a violation of the 14th amendment, but the 4th amendment violation assessed by the judge was only addressed via the outside counsel evaluation and six month reports.

Also, I'm giving Thaetus the benefit of the doubt that he meant *un*constitutional and just hurriedly wrote constitutional.
 
2013-08-12 12:23:46 PM  

KrispyKritter: meanwhile back in reality, law enforcement will continue to do as they damn well please across the entire country


Be sure to ask a Texas State Trooper for your free roadside body cavity search. Seems they're giving them out all willy nilly -- but only if you're female.
 
2013-08-12 12:26:50 PM  
FTA:  the New York Police Department violated the constitutional rights of minorities in New York

So it's still OK to stop and frisk white folks?
 
2013-08-12 12:27:34 PM  
Hey, NYPD! I got your really really good reason RIGHT HERE!
 
2013-08-12 12:27:54 PM  
Papelbon, you're on notice.
nomaas.org
 
2013-08-12 12:28:08 PM  
They need to quit dicking around and just come out and plainly state that this is fine as long as they only do it to white people.
 
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