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(CBS Chicago)   City of Chicago maps out "Safe Passage" routes to keep kids out of harm's way as they cross gang boundaries on their way to and from school. Fark: 2 people shot; 1 killed along one of those routes Saturday night   (chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line 111
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2013-08-12 07:15:06 AM  

cyberspacedout: Good thing school's out on Saturday nights.


That's what I was going to say; however, it did happen on a Saturday night and there is NO place on the planet that's guaranteed to be absolutely safe.  Especially in Chicago.
 
2013-08-12 07:20:46 AM  

danielscissorhands: Safe passage routes?They do the same thing in Canada, in areas with high levels of elk on elk crime. [www.focusonmexico.com image 500x298]


Is that a bridge just for Elk?  If so, that's pretty cool.  For whatever reson the past two weeks I've had to dodge a LOT of deer - during broad daylight now less.  But if Canada recognized that as a hazardous area and took such action, that is very cool.
 
2013-08-12 07:30:51 AM  
videogamecritic.com
 
2013-08-12 07:35:21 AM  

TomD9938: Piizzadude: There is just nothing good about this. Any of it.

FTHL :

Chicago maps out "Safe Passage" routes to keep kids out of harm's way as they cross gang boundaries on their way to and from school. Fark: 2 people shot; 1 killed along one of those routes Saturday night

I'd say it not happening during school hours is good.


Talk about redefining low expectations.
 
2013-08-12 07:37:18 AM  

TomD9938: Piizzadude: There is just nothing good about this. Any of it.

FTHL :

Chicago maps out "Safe Passage" routes to keep kids out of harm's way as they cross gang boundaries on their way to and from school. Fark: 2 people shot; 1 killed along one of those routes Saturday night

I'd say it not happening during school hours is good.


/This
/fark off suburbanites.
 
2013-08-12 07:46:02 AM  
Lets just admit that if we're going to solve this we need to get really tough on crime. It's time we go police state on this. We call in the military and do a total crackdown on these dumbass gangbangers. And bring back public executions.
 
2013-08-12 07:57:03 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Lets just admit that if we're going to solve this we need to get really tough on crime. It's time we go police state on this. We call in the military and do a total crackdown on these dumbass gangbangers. And bring back public executions.


And what makes you think they will stop with the gangbangers, citizen?
 
2013-08-12 08:09:45 AM  
Law abiding citizens just need bigger guns.
www.viewfromthebleachers.net
 
2013-08-12 08:10:47 AM  
> When are we going to admit that we lost the south side of Chicago to the thugs and just give up?


Why don't we just tell the kids that if you go down there you better just beware of a man named Leroy Brown?
 
2013-08-12 08:33:19 AM  
If you know where they are good enough to have "safe routes" why not roll in with Natl. Guard units and clean this shiat up?
 
2013-08-12 08:50:51 AM  
I will not sacrifice Chicago. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire neighborhoods and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done.

- George Zimmerman.
 
2013-08-12 08:51:20 AM  
You cannot tell me that lines on a map aren't keeping kids safe, Rahm says it will!
 
2013-08-12 08:53:22 AM  

AngryDragon: xcv: World War 2 London organized sending their children to the countryside to keep them safe from air raids.

It's time America considers well funded public boarding schools for its youth. An idyllic countryside setting would be a great equalizer to break the cycle of poverty. All students could be getting the same education from adult role models that are uncommon back on the streets and Americans would see there's more to the world and culture beyond the limited boundaries of gang turf or surburban bubbles. Start with areas that qualify as war-zones like Chicago.

That's racist.

At least that's how it will be portrayed when the "community leaders" realize their money and power base are threatened.  There's no personal power to be gained from actually helping the poverty-stricken, only from talking about it.


Years ago when Arne Duncan was CEO of CPS, he actually proposed opening boarding schools within the city boundaries. It didn't get any further than a few conversations, but it was one of his best ideas, I think. It would have changed lives for some of those kids.
 
2013-08-12 08:57:34 AM  

wildcardjack: How's that half-hearted gun control working for ya?

Just curious, what sort of drugs are funding the gangs these days? It is stuff we'd be willing to talk about legalizing? Is it possible to undercut the funding for gangs? I mean, other than shipping more jobs overseas.


Half-hearted?  They can't keep drugs, phones, weapons and other contraband out of PRISONS!  How exactly will they completely get rid of them in Chicago, in Illinois, or in the entire US?  Oh, you mean gun control for LAW ABIDING citizens.
 
2013-08-12 09:07:45 AM  

cman: I like Chicago's new slogan: Not as much of a shiathole as Detroit


You live in Maine.
 
2013-08-12 09:08:10 AM  

wildcardjack: How's that half-hearted gun control working for ya?

Just curious, what sort of drugs are funding the gangs these days? It is stuff we'd be willing to talk about legalizing? Is it possible to undercut the funding for gangs? I mean, other than shipping more jobs overseas.


A lot of the funding is coming from ID theft and other more sophisticated crimes rather than simply drug dealing. Of course, that is also happening but it's just one string of revenue.
 
2013-08-12 09:08:46 AM  

Macular Degenerate: When are we going to admit that we lost the south side of Chicago to the thugs and just give up? Condemn all the buildings to force everyone to move everyone out, shut off the city services, and bulldoze everything.

If you are a parent and you are still living in this squalid hell-hole you are officially part of the problem, not part of the solution.


That's a terrible idea!

Those neighborhoods act as containment. If we shut them down, they might come here.
 
2013-08-12 09:09:16 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Feel_the_velvet: City of Chicago maps out "Safe Passage" routes to keep kids out of harm's way as they cross gang boundaries on their way to and from school. Fark: 2 people shot; 1 killed along one of those routes Saturday night

Wait.  They make kids go to school on Saturday Night now?   That's outrageous!

came here for this. i don't really see the relation.


I think the real issue is that a city has to create a DMZ in hopes of preventing the killing of school children. If your society has devolved to the point where you can't even be sure your kids can survive a trip to school, you've lost civilization itself.
 
2013-08-12 09:12:36 AM  

juniperwasting: If you need a thing like this safe passage map, you have already lost your city; and to a greater extent the children who would have inherited it are now just killing each other.  Sad.


To be fair it's only small parts of the city that have never been areas that you'd find postcards for. Though if you're gonna be wandering around the nice areas I'd still recommend bringing pepper spray.
 
2013-08-12 09:13:17 AM  
I see this worked out as well as it did for the treasure ships on the Spanish Main.
 
2013-08-12 09:13:52 AM  

jso2897: Piizzadude: Betep: Piizzadude: Vitamin Pb: Betep: If they only had a Community Organizer!

Nah, they just need strict gun control. And maybe somebody could bribe the local politicians to get the gangs to stop killing everybody...

And drug laws
and muslim control
and gubment to give us  jerbs
and less gun control
and

You know what? Just anarchy. Lets go there. Let mother nature take its course. The strong survive.

You forgot "Hope and Change".
Barry O'Bamma is that kinda guy.

Putin has more control in the Russo-Chicago community.

You are in the wrong tab. This isnt the "fark with the black guy" tab

Dude - EVERY tab on Farkkk.com is a "fark with the black guy" tab. This is where all the scared little racists go to vent the shiat they don't have the balls to spew in real life, and who think they have too much class for 4chan.
Welcome, as they say, to Fark.


I never see Obama's race come up until the people who claim to be on his side drag it into the conversation as a shield against criticism. It's their version of wrapping themselves in the flag.
 
2013-08-12 09:20:09 AM  

naughtyrev: AngryDragon: xcv: World War 2 London organized sending their children to the countryside to keep them safe from air raids.

It's time America considers well funded public boarding schools for its youth. An idyllic countryside setting would be a great equalizer to break the cycle of poverty. All students could be getting the same education from adult role models that are uncommon back on the streets and Americans would see there's more to the world and culture beyond the limited boundaries of gang turf or surburban bubbles. Start with areas that qualify as war-zones like Chicago.

That's racist.

At least that's how it will be portrayed when the "community leaders" realize their money and power base are threatened.  There's no personal power to be gained from actually helping the poverty-stricken, only from talking about it.

Years ago when Arne Duncan was CEO of CPS, he actually proposed opening boarding schools within the city boundaries. It didn't get any further than a few conversations, but it was one of his best ideas, I think. It would have changed lives for some of those kids.


Getting kids out of blue state warzones would be the best thing for immediately solving the problem. They've got to be physically and spiritually removed from the destructive culture they're stuck in, and this is not about being in a black community. Its the urbanization that has become the most dangerous thing for them.

Simply putting kids into another institution, inside an already corrupt and violent institution, is just begging for a disaster. They need to be resettled outside the city.
 
2013-08-12 09:44:23 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: City of Chicago maps out "Safe Passage" routes to keep kids out of harm's way as they cross gang boundaries on their way to and from school. Fark: 2 people shot; 1 killed along one of those routes Saturday night

Wait.  They make kids go to school on Saturday Night now?   That's outrageous!


Piizzadude: Betep: Piizzadude: Vitamin Pb: Betep: If they only had a Community Organizer!

Nah, they just need strict gun control. And maybe somebody could bribe the local politicians to get the gangs to stop killing everybody...

And drug laws
and muslim control
and gubment to give us  jerbs
and less gun control
and

You know what? Just anarchy. Lets go there. Let mother nature take its course. The strong survive.

You forgot "Hope and Change".
Barry O'Bamma is that kinda guy.

Putin has more control in the Russo-Chicago community.

You are in the wrong tab. This isnt the "fark with the black guy" tab


No, not at all. I don't vote based on Race or Party Lines.
Obama was a shiatty Community Activist and brought his poor judgement to the White House.

I used to go to Chicago for a manufacturing based business from 1985 - 2005.  I used to like the trip. The contact I have there says "it's really taken a dive".

My 4th year as an American Citizen Belorussian-American friend in Chicago says the love of Putin is strong. Her safe neighborhood is former KGB Russian Mafia. No shrines like MLK or Malcom X, but they respect Putin.
 
2013-08-12 09:55:38 AM  

jjorsett: jso2897: Dude - EVERY tab on Farkkk.com is a "fark with the black guy" tab. This is where all the scared little racists go to vent the shiat they don't have the balls to spew in real life, and who think they have too much class for 4chan.
Welcome, as they say, to Fark.

I never see Obama's race come up until the people who claim to be on his side drag it into the conversation as a shield against criticism. It's their version of wrapping themselves in the flag.


keepkansasjobs.com
 
2013-08-12 09:57:48 AM  

naughtyrev: AngryDragon: xcv: World War 2 London organized sending their children to the countryside to keep them safe from air raids.

It's time America considers well funded public boarding schools for its youth. An idyllic countryside setting would be a great equalizer to break the cycle of poverty. All students could be getting the same education from adult role models that are uncommon back on the streets and Americans would see there's more to the world and culture beyond the limited boundaries of gang turf or surburban bubbles. Start with areas that qualify as war-zones like Chicago.

That's racist.

At least that's how it will be portrayed when the "community leaders" realize their money and power base are threatened.  There's no personal power to be gained from actually helping the poverty-stricken, only from talking about it.

Years ago when Arne Duncan was CEO of CPS, he actually proposed opening boarding schools within the city boundaries. It didn't get any further than a few conversations, but it was one of his best ideas, I think. It would have changed lives for some of those kids.


My lottery winning fantasy is opening up a self-sustaining boarding school for high risk youth.

The kids would learn agriculture, cooking, cleaning, light maintenance work, therapy, and have the very best education. The goal would be either vocational certification or college for every one.

I wanted to buy an old five star hotel with a built-in swimming pool, grounds to garden, and posts for security officers to help reduce gang and bad family influences.

I want to call it the Academy for the Gifted.

Alas,I rarely play and will never win.
 
2013-08-12 09:59:29 AM  

cman: I like Chicago's new slogan: Not as much of a shiathole as Detroit


My "safe passage" route works wonderfully:  from one terminal of O'Hare airport to another terminal.  There's always a bit of tension over whether the inevitable delay will turn into an overnight stranding, but eventually I always manage to escape that Godforsaken city.
 
2013-08-12 10:08:44 AM  

Bontesla: My lottery winning fantasy is opening up a self-sustaining boarding school for high risk youth.

The kids would learn agriculture, cooking, cleaning, light maintenance work, therapy, and have the very best education. The goal would be either vocational certification or college for every one.

I wanted to buy an old five star hotel with a built-in swimming pool, grounds to garden, and posts for security officers to help reduce gang and bad family influences.

I want to call it the Academy for the Gifted.

Alas,I rarely play and will never win.


Don't worry, you have a far better chance of winning the lottery than pulling that off.
 
2013-08-12 10:23:09 AM  
Declare the gangs a terrorist threat, which they are.

Use federal funds and all the resources that become available with that classification to wipe them out. As in, maintaining our War on Terror and using military force.

Simplistic, but conceptually feasible.
 
2013-08-12 10:24:16 AM  
All of those white homegrown terrorists at it again.  If ya can't let a little kid farking walk to school, then society isn't going to help ya.  Eat a bullet and let us watch for your family all weeping in airbrushed t-shirts with your picture throwing gang signs and all done up to match their Crip blue ensemble while they plea to us working folk to pay for their funeral via facebook donation and telling us "he didn't deserve this". Dresden would be too good for these drainers of all things good.  Get the 5 good families out of there that raise yall kids while you run over your "add a line" contract to t mobile (how does one rack up over 2000 bux in charges?) until ya win the lottery and have to act like ya barely know the person on Judge Judy so you can get to visit yo peoples outta state and get out of actually paying for that phone too.  Sheesh.  Just pump the brakes at some point, ghetto.  Hopefully the winner of the East 25th Latin Kings Leadership Scholarship will come back to their barrio and fix things after college.
 
2013-08-12 10:24:24 AM  

danielscissorhands: What, Subby?

For Chicago, 2 people shot and 1  killed on a Saturday night  is considered "safe passage."


Those were just the ones who were on the Map Route. The rest will be reported separately.
 
2013-08-12 10:40:21 AM  

zeroman987: Also they are closing schools because of a concerted effort to move people out of the crappy neighborhoods and into the burbs or down state. The schools are undercrowded on the south and west sides. I would guess that the whole northside thing is gonna start spreading to everywhere except Uptown. Its already happening... people a little older than me are staying in the city to raise their kids and my generation might do the same. There is little desire to go to the burbs and there is plenty of room in the city near public transit.


There was a very good article that I can't find which showed exactly this. Chicago is losing population through people abandoning the poor regions in the south and west sides. Meanwhile the north side is becoming more diverse and more prosperous and that prosperity is spreading to nearby areas.

So basically it used to be if you were white you lived on the north side, if you were black you lived on the south/west side and if you were hispanic you lived in the west side places where blacks didn't live. What's slowly happening now is if your income is middle class or higher you live on the north side. If you're not quite middle class you live near the north side. Otherwise you're either too poor to move or you leave the city.
 
2013-08-12 10:55:58 AM  

jjorsett: some_beer_drinker: Feel_the_velvet: City of Chicago maps out "Safe Passage" routes to keep kids out of harm's way as they cross gang boundaries on their way to and from school. Fark: 2 people shot; 1 killed along one of those routes Saturday night

Wait.  They make kids go to school on Saturday Night now?   That's outrageous!

came here for this. i don't really see the relation.

I think the real issue is that a city has to create a DMZ in hopes of preventing the killing of school children. If your society has devolved to the point where you can't even be sure your kids can survive a trip to school, you've lost civilization itself.


Well we could, but liberals get their panties in a bunch about surveillance, racial profiling, and the war on black people.
 
Ant
2013-08-12 10:56:42 AM  

Pichu0102: How would they go about reclaiming land overrun by organized crime or gangs anyways? What forces could they use? Just police?


Get a bunch of hipsters to move in. Some of them will open trendy restaurants that serve the same ethnic food you used to get in the neighborhood for a quarter of the price. Pretty soon, there'll be overpriced dive-bars, expensive condos, and gastro-pubs, and all the people who used to live there will be forced out because rents will skyrocket. Ta-da!

Gentrification: It works.
 
2013-08-12 11:04:49 AM  

DenisBergkamp: Come now Chicago, get your shiat together.


Don't tell a WHOLE city how to do things... you can't prevent millions of people from doing something illegal.

Heck, this MORNING I woke up to the sound of helicopters hovering.

Looked out my balcony facing west and see TWO of them hovering over the West Side (west of Western & Chicago ave.).

Happy Monday Morning Chicago
 
2013-08-12 11:07:28 AM  

Bontesla: My lottery winning fantasy is opening up a self-sustaining boarding school for high risk youth.


Good luck. Girard College in Philly is shutting down their boarding school after 164 years.
 
2013-08-12 11:16:28 AM  

squibbits: Looks like gun control is working just as well there as it is in Mexico.


LOL, gun control. Anyone without a felony who $10 and a photo ID can get a FOID (firearm owners ID) card here by mail.

It's harder to get a voter ID card in Texas, but the right insists that this is "gun control" and it must be a huge failure because somehow it's not working.

Ignore the fact that many of the guns getting into the hands of Chicago's gang members are being brought here from Indiana, which is a whole 20 minute drive from the south side, where their gun laws are much less strict.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-17/news/ct-met-guns-gangs -2 0130217_1_levaine-tanksley-gun-laws-gun-trafficker

Clearly, this is all the fault of someone deciding that the people of Illinois should need a FOID card to legally own a weapon. If we weren't required to have a FOID card, none of there murders would happen.
 
2013-08-12 11:25:31 AM  

odinsposse: zeroman987: Also they are closing schools because of a concerted effort to move people out of the crappy neighborhoods and into the burbs or down state. The schools are undercrowded on the south and west sides. I would guess that the whole northside thing is gonna start spreading to everywhere except Uptown. Its already happening... people a little older than me are staying in the city to raise their kids and my generation might do the same. There is little desire to go to the burbs and there is plenty of room in the city near public transit.

There was a very good article that I can't find which showed exactly this. Chicago is losing population through people abandoning the poor regions in the south and west sides. Meanwhile the north side is becoming more diverse and more prosperous and that prosperity is spreading to nearby areas.

So basically it used to be if you were white you lived on the north side, if you were black you lived on the south/west side and if you were hispanic you lived in the west side places where blacks didn't live. What's slowly happening now is if your income is middle class or higher you live on the north side. If you're not quite middle class you live near the north side. Otherwise you're either too poor to move or you leave the city.


When I worked for the City, I had access to the ownership records via map. The city owned properties were marked on these maps. There were blocks where the city had foreclosed on more than half the lots. The people living there died, their heirs didn't keep up the property, it became a hazard, and the city tore down the structures and forclosed.

There was also a study that tracked the people in housing projects after they had closed down that found that while some moved to mixed income neighborhoods, many voluntarily went to poverty stricken neighborhoods with the theory essentially being it is easier to borrow milk or sugar from another low income person than your middle class neighbor; they felt they couldn't continue to receive the community support they were getting at the projects with a bunch of people making way more money than them.
 
2013-08-12 11:28:16 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: Declare the gangs a terrorist threat, which they are.

Use federal funds and all the resources that become available with that classification to wipe them out. As in, maintaining our War on Terror and using military force.

Simplistic, but conceptually feasible.


Congratulations, you just made appointing Laura Bush as a liaison to stopping gang violence among youths seem like a good idea.
 
2013-08-12 11:28:59 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: squibbits: Looks like gun control is working just as well there as it is in Mexico.

LOL, gun control. Anyone without a felony who $10 and a photo ID can get a FOID (firearm owners ID) card here by mail.

It's harder to get a voter ID card in Texas, but the right insists that this is "gun control" and it must be a huge failure because somehow it's not working.

Ignore the fact that many of the guns getting into the hands of Chicago's gang members are being brought here from Indiana, which is a whole 20 minute drive from the south side, where their gun laws are much less strict.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-17/news/ct-met-guns-gangs -2 0130217_1_levaine-tanksley-gun-laws-gun-trafficker

Clearly, this is all the fault of someone deciding that the people of Illinois should need a FOID card to legally own a weapon. If we weren't required to have a FOID card, none of there murders would happen.


Explain to me how a FOID and a voter ID or a poll tax are conceptually similar or dissimilar in your mind.

Do you support both, one, or none? Why?
 
2013-08-12 11:38:41 AM  

Ant: Pichu0102: How would they go about reclaiming land overrun by organized crime or gangs anyways? What forces could they use? Just police?

Get a bunch of hipsters to move in. Some of them will open trendy restaurants that serve the same ethnic food you used to get in the neighborhood for a quarter of the price. Pretty soon, there'll be overpriced dive-bars, expensive condos, and gastro-pubs, and all the people who used to live there will be forced out because rents will skyrocket. Ta-da!

Gentrification: It works.


And then do you send wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes at the hipsters?
 
2013-08-12 11:41:57 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-12 11:48:43 AM  

berylman: 49 elementary school closings in one year... I don't keep up with Chicago but did they declare bankruptcy too or what?


After years of Fat King Daley kowtowing to the Teachers Unions, our new mayor, Emmanuel, has put on paper what everyone else has known. Enrollment has dropped by about 10-15% and we simply don't need all of them.

So while Chicago is (almost) bankrupt, this is actually a natural way to save money.
 
2013-08-12 12:18:53 PM  
squirrelflavoredyogurt:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-17/news/ct-met-guns-gangs -2 0130217_1_levaine-tanksley-gun-laws-gun-trafficker

Clearly, this is all the fault of someone deciding that the people of Illinois should need a FOID card to legally own a weapon. If we weren't required to have a FOID card, none of there murders would happen.


What the guy in the article was doing is illegal in all 50 states.  More gun laws would not have stopped him.
 
2013-08-12 12:19:16 PM  
Mostly surprised this hasn't been posted yet:

dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net

/Mostly.
 
2013-08-12 12:33:04 PM  

Joe Blowme: If you know where they are good enough to have "safe routes" why not roll in with Natl. Guard units and clean this shiat up?


The Posse Comitatus Act prevents that: you can't use the military for law-enforcement purposes.

xcv: World War 2 London organized sending their children to the countryside to keep them safe from air raids.

It's time America considers well funded public boarding schools for its youth. An idyllic countryside setting would be a great equalizer to break the cycle of poverty. All students could be getting the same education from adult role models that are uncommon back on the streets and Americans would see there's more to the world and culture beyond the limited boundaries of gang turf or surburban bubbles. Start with areas that qualify as war-zones like Chicago.


Finish the job of killing off the family, eh? I've got to say, I'm not so sure the cure wouldn't be worse than the disease.
 
2013-08-12 01:03:42 PM  
Betcha no more murders if Louis F call out the Fruit of Islam for his pal...
 
2013-08-12 01:24:14 PM  

Anschauer: Betcha no more murders if Louis F call out the Fruit of Islam for his pal...


themadjewess.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-12 02:01:02 PM  
Do kids go to school on a Saturday night? Then I think the city government has made it's point!
 
2013-08-12 02:05:22 PM  

xcv: World War 2 London organized sending their children to the countryside to keep them safe from air raids.

It's time America considers well funded public boarding schools for its youth. An idyllic countryside setting would be a great equalizer to break the cycle of poverty. All students could be getting the same education from adult role models that are uncommon back on the streets and Americans would see there's more to the world and culture beyond the limited boundaries of gang turf or surburban bubbles. Start with areas that qualify as war-zones like Chicago.


Good idea. That could never go wrong.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-12 02:29:26 PM  
Come out and playyyyyyyyyy!
 
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