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2013-08-11 11:35:38 AM
what a worthless "article".
 
2013-08-11 11:44:30 AM
But how am I supposed to get the most enjoyment out of my toy gun if I can't point it at another person and pretend I'm shooting them down?
 
2013-08-11 12:24:29 PM
Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-11 12:25:27 PM
That would make sense here in Florida.  Do you really want your kids pointing a toy gun at some self appointed neighborhood watchman who might fear for his life?
 
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2013-08-11 12:35:39 PM

FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?


Not if the "toys" look like real guns and the "kids" are the same age as people committing crimes with real guns.
 
2013-08-11 01:47:00 PM
www.enemyplanet.com
 
2013-08-11 02:09:12 PM

vpb: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Not if the "toys" look like real guns and the "kids" are the same age as people committing crimes with real guns.


That's what I'm thinking, and the way that they're being 'played' with would make a big difference too.  A few 10 year olds running around with Old West style chrome revolvers playing Cowboys and Indians in someone's yard is pretty harmless.  A few 16 year olds with a realistic looking Glock replica 'playing' by waving it around at other motorists is another story.
 
2013-08-11 02:34:59 PM
Can't wait to see the final bill language.  It will probably also ban possessing a thumb and forefinger because these can be made into a gun shape.  And all pop-tarts must be chewed from the top down, lest they be eaten into a vague sideways "L".
 
2013-08-11 02:38:18 PM
Obvious George Carlin clip

And it's Nerf guns they're going after.
 
2013-08-11 02:39:15 PM

Bung_Howdy: what a worthless "article".


Pretty much.  If you see the Seattle PI banner on the left there, you'd be better off highlighting part of the headline and finding another source.  The PI makes the DailyFail look like insightful journalism.
 
2013-08-11 02:39:29 PM
When toy guns are outlawed, only criminals will have toy guns.
 
2013-08-11 02:39:50 PM
Give the kids real guns. Problem solved?

I need more beer.
 
2013-08-11 02:39:50 PM
 
2013-08-11 02:44:21 PM
Ban violent movies and video games too
 
2013-08-11 02:45:34 PM

IntertubeUser: Bung_Howdy: what a worthless "article".

Pretty much.  If you see the Seattle PI banner on the left there, you'd be better off highlighting part of the headline and finding another source.  The PI makes the DailyFail look like insightful journalism.


Pretty much this.  The Seattle Times is only slightly to the left, but the PI was the MSNBC of Seattle...and people wondered why it failed as a newspaper.

Fun Fact of the day:  Lakewood is the city constantly shown on the show COPS (and the immediate surrounding areas)...but it only has the 2nd highest crime rate per capita in Washington.  The #1 per capita is actually Auburn...but they didn't want the stigma of being on the show and declined to be filmed.
 
2013-08-11 02:46:25 PM
Pew pew pew pew :(
 
2013-08-11 02:48:02 PM
Banning Nerf guns? And they say gun owners are the paranoid ones
 
2013-08-11 02:48:12 PM
Simple answer is to shoot all the kids, obviously this is the only way this can be resolved.
 
2013-08-11 02:48:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: That's what I'm thinking, and the way that they're being 'played' with would make a big difference too.  A few 10 year olds running around with Old West style chrome revolvers playing Cowboys and Indians in someone's yard is pretty harmless.  A few 16 year olds with a realistic looking Glock replica 'playing' by waving it around at other motorists is another story.


I'm betting they can find something to charge the older folks with that doesn't involve banning.  Of course, banning is simpler and shows significantly less intelligence, so it's no surprise that some want to go with that.
 
2013-08-11 02:52:43 PM
Just cover the world in bubble wrap, then everyones little snowflake will be safe.
 
2013-08-11 02:57:02 PM
Half the dads in Lakewood are military.
Farking idiotic law.
 
2013-08-11 03:07:48 PM

FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?


Maybe after they perfect that cure for Down Syndrome, but until then, I don't think it's possible to teach cops much of anything.
 
2013-08-11 03:15:56 PM

TuteTibiImperes: vpb: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Not if the "toys" look like real guns and the "kids" are the same age as people committing crimes with real guns.

That's what I'm thinking, and the way that they're being 'played' with would make a big difference too.  A few 10 year olds running around with Old West style chrome revolvers playing Cowboys and Indians in someone's yard is pretty harmless.  A few 16 year olds with a realistic looking Glock replica 'playing' by waving it around at other motorists is another story.


Yeah, there is a substantive difference between teenagers waving around accurate looking replicas and little kids going after each other with supersoakers and Nerf guns.  Lakewood's proposed blanket ban on anything that "looks scary" to someone is not a reasonable solution.  Zero Tolerance policies don't generally work very well at all.

Restrictions on supplying accurate replica firearms to minors might be a good idea, although even there I can see some exceptions (e.g. historical re-enactment, drama, etc.), but taking away a kid's neon green Buck Rogers laser pistol is an overreaction.
 
2013-08-11 03:25:03 PM

OgreMagi: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Maybe after they perfect that cure for Down Syndrome, but until then, I don't think it's possible to teach cops much of anything.


Someone got his ass beat when he was told to place his hands behind his back and refused, didn't he?

Newsflash retard...obey the orders they give, and you won't get tazed next time...your cop hate just oozes "I was a douchebag once for NO REASON!"
 
2013-08-11 03:25:14 PM
I ran around with all sorts of fake weaponry & even shot some *gasp* real guns when I was a wee lad.

Haven't blown up a movie theater yet!

/ban everything I don't like, and then the world will only be what I like! That's it!!!
 
2013-08-11 03:30:10 PM

Fade2black: OgreMagi: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Maybe after they perfect that cure for Down Syndrome, but until then, I don't think it's possible to teach cops much of anything.

Someone got his ass beat when he was told to place his hands behind his back and refused, didn't he?

Newsflash retard...obey the orders they give, and you won't get tazed next time...your cop hate just oozes "I was a douchebag once for NO REASON!"


I see you still love sucking the LEO peener.
 
2013-08-11 03:30:38 PM
Humanity really has lost all sense of self control and personal responsibility.
 
2013-08-11 03:31:03 PM
Lakewoods' never been a bastion of lawfulness and the powers that be like guns even less ever since 4 cops were gunned down in a coffee shop.
Better watch out when you go pointing fingers in Pierce county!
 
2013-08-11 03:36:46 PM
What the heck.
Playing with toy guns doesn't cause a huge threat. I've played with Nerf guns and Super Soakers, I haven't turned into a mass murderer. Like my friends says "Video games don't make kids violent, crappy parenting does." Same concept can be applied to toy guns.
 
2013-08-11 03:41:19 PM

FloydA: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Not if the "toys" look like real guns and the "kids" are the same age as people committing crimes with real guns.

That's what I'm thinking, and the way that they're being 'played' with would make a big difference too.  A few 10 year olds running around with Old West style chrome revolvers playing Cowboys and Indians in someone's yard is pretty harmless.  A few 16 year olds with a realistic looking Glock replica 'playing' by waving it around at other motorists is another story.

Yeah, there is a substantive difference between teenagers waving around accurate looking replicas and little kids going after each other with supersoakers and Nerf guns.  Lakewood's proposed blanket ban on anything that "looks scary" to someone is not a reasonable solution.  Zero Tolerance policies don't generally work very well at all.

Restrictions on supplying accurate replica firearms to minors might be a good idea, although even there I can see some exceptions (e.g. historical re-enactment, drama, etc.), but taking away a kid's neon green Buck Rogers laser pistol is an overreaction.


I agree.  The article doesn't say that the city council plans on banning all toy guns.  It says they're worried about the realistic looking ones, and want to outlaw using one in a threatening away against someone.  As long as the law isn't worded too broadly, I don't think that's a bad idea.
 
2013-08-11 03:47:30 PM

IMDWalrus: Relevant:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/keeping-kids-fro m- toy-guns-how-one-mother-changed-her-mind/278518/


Heh.  My mother wouldn't let me play with even those clear plastic squirt guns as a kid, since they were "War Toys".  I ended up becoming an 01/03 FFL/SOT, AKA a "Class 3 Arms Dealer".   "Love, ya, Mom!"  lol!
 
2013-08-11 03:52:40 PM
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2013-08-11 03:54:48 PM

FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?


Teaching cops is commi, that's why they screen for IQ
 
2013-08-11 04:00:25 PM
Hey, just paint orange on the end of your real gun barrel and everybody will think you're just kidding . . . what idiocy!!!!
 
2013-08-11 04:01:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I agree. The article doesn't say that the city council plans on banning all toy guns. It says they're worried about the realistic looking ones, and want to outlaw using one in a threatening away against someone. As long as the law isn't worded too broadly, I don't think that's a bad idea.


Given your posting history, you wouldn't. You're one of those folks who seem to think government/laws fixes everything rather than teaching the people some goddamn common sense. I mean, seriously, there's all sorts of fail going on: If you're using a fake gun and pretending it's a real one while committing a crime, then you're going to get shot. Also, many places regard using a fake gun vs. a real gun as inconsequential in the commission of a crime already.

But no, surely we need more laws because people are too dumb to know what to do without them, right?
 
2013-08-11 04:03:48 PM

albatros183: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Teaching cops is commi, that's why they screen for IQ


If somebody points something at a cop that is shaped like a gun, REGARDLESS of what color it is, the cop MUST react as if it's a real gun, period.  Federal law requires "modern" toy guns to have the last 6mm of the barrel be "blaze orange".  The problem with that is that any moron can go into a drug store and for under $5 buy a thing of blaze orange nail polish, and paint the muzzle of their very real gun to make it look like a "toy".  It's not even illegal.

I recall seeing a LE bulletin a few years back, of a case in which a guy had modified some kind of Super soaker type water gun to house a very real, very functional pistol-gripped shotgun.  It does happen.
 
2013-08-11 04:04:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I agree. The article doesn't say that the city council plans on banning all toy guns. It says they're worried about the realistic looking ones, and want to outlaw using one in a threatening away against someone. As long as the law isn't worded too broadly, I don't think that's a bad idea.


also, according to my latin dictionary, tute tibi imperes translates roughly to "yourself over".

Seriously? Can't even do latin?
 
2013-08-11 04:06:51 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: albatros183: FloydA: Toy guns can be realistic enough to scare people -- and draw potentially deadly fire from a police officer. Now the city of Lakewood wants to get tougher on those who display toy guns.

Wouldn't it be easier to teach the cops not to shoot kids playing with toys?

Teaching cops is commi, that's why they screen for IQ

If somebody points something at a cop that is shaped like a gun, REGARDLESS of what color it is, the cop MUST react as if it's a real gun, period.  Federal law requires "modern" toy guns to have the last 6mm of the barrel be "blaze orange".  The problem with that is that any moron can go into a drug store and for under $5 buy a thing of blaze orange nail polish, and paint the muzzle of their very real gun to make it look like a "toy".  It's not even illegal.

I recall seeing a LE bulletin a few years back, of a case in which a guy had modified some kind of Super soaker type water gun to house a very real, very functional pistol-gripped shotgun.  It does happen.


So, lesson of the day: DO NOT POINT GUNS AT OTHER PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY COPS.

How farking hard is that that we need a goddamn law?  Maybe we should pass a law forcing people not to eat fast food or junk food, because that makes you fat and might give you heart disease, diabetes, etc., too? I'm sorry, but this has got to be the most retarded thing. What's next, printing warnings on guns that says "if you point this at a cop you will get shot"?

/Knew the average human wasn't very intelligent
//DIdn't know that we were this rere though.
 
2013-08-11 04:12:21 PM
"If he is to be riding in the car, it is not to be taken in the car. So that it's not misconstrued."

A Nerf gun ??
Yeah - I can see where a bright   Red-Yellow-Orange-Green & Blue gun - could misconstrue reality - I guess
 
2013-08-11 04:13:54 PM
"Home" town finially makes Fark.

/Fark WTF?
//Go Lancers!
 
2013-08-11 04:16:01 PM

Bravo Two: What's next, printing warnings on guns that says "if you point this at a cop you will get shot"?



Dude, that's SO 1980's.  Around that time, I recall actually sitting down with a newly purchased handgun, and actually reading the manual that came with it, cover to cover.  It included a wonderful little pictogram, which basically had the owner pointing the gun at his own face and pulling the trigger, with the red circle/line thingie to say "Don't do this!"  I WISH I was kidding!!!
 
2013-08-11 04:20:47 PM

Bravo Two: TuteTibiImperes: I agree. The article doesn't say that the city council plans on banning all toy guns. It says they're worried about the realistic looking ones, and want to outlaw using one in a threatening away against someone. As long as the law isn't worded too broadly, I don't think that's a bad idea.

Given your posting history, you wouldn't. You're one of those folks who seem to think government/laws fixes everything rather than teaching the people some goddamn common sense. I mean, seriously, there's all sorts of fail going on: If you're using a fake gun and pretending it's a real one while committing a crime, then you're going to get shot. Also, many places regard using a fake gun vs. a real gun as inconsequential in the commission of a crime already.

But no, surely we need more laws because people are too dumb to know what to do without them, right?


Apparently the area doesn't already have a law covering threatening someone with a fake weapon, as an example was given of a case where one roomate threatened the other with a fake gun, but they were unable to prosecute.

Again, they're not trying to ban toy guns, or even realistic looking toy guns.  They're trying to ban using a fake weapon to threaten/intimidate someone as if it were real.

Now, sure, there's a possibility for well-meaning legislation to have unintended consequences if it's written poorly or too broadly, but that's a good argument to write the laws as explicitly and narrowly as possible to target what you want to target.
 
2013-08-11 04:32:50 PM
Bravo Two:
Given your posting history, you wouldn't. You're one of those folks who seem to think government/laws fixes everything [and further hurr durr durr.]

Why do people even say idiotic s**t like this?  "Oh your won of those poeple whot fink bluh bluh bluh..."

Claiming that you know what someone else thinks doesn't do anything to refute the other person's point of view.  It only makes you look like an idiot.  Do you not realize this?  Are you unaware that when you claim to be able to read someone's mind, you automatically out yourself as a brainless nincompoop?

You DO NOT know what other people are thinking.  Ever.  So don't try to tell people what they think; it makes you look stupid.
 
2013-08-11 04:34:50 PM

FloydA: Bravo Two:
Given your posting history, you wouldn't. You're one of those folks who seem to think government/laws fixes everything [and further hurr durr durr.]

Why do people even say idiotic s**t like this?  "Oh your won of those poeple whot fink bluh bluh bluh..."

Claiming that you know what someone else thinks doesn't do anything to refute the other person's point of view.  It only makes you look like an idiot.  Do you not realize this?  Are you unaware that when you claim to be able to read someone's mind, you automatically out yourself as a brainless nincompoop?

You DO NOT know what other people are thinking.  Ever.  So don't try to tell people what they think; it makes you look stupid.



Sorry for the rant, I just get pissed off by that.  Tell me what you think and I'll listen, but don't tell me what I think.
 
2013-08-11 04:38:01 PM
Oh it's gonna take a LOT more than banning toy guns to fix Lakewood
 
2013-08-11 04:38:56 PM

Fade2black: IntertubeUser: Bung_Howdy: what a worthless "article".

Pretty much.  If you see the Seattle PI banner on the left there, you'd be better off highlighting part of the headline and finding another source.  The PI makes the DailyFail look like insightful journalism.

Pretty much this.  The Seattle Times is only slightly to the left, but the PI was the MSNBC of Seattle...and people wondered why it failed as a newspaper.

Fun Fact of the day:  Lakewood is the city constantly shown on the show COPS (and the immediate surrounding areas)...but it only has the 2nd highest crime rate per capita in Washington.  The #1 per capita is actually Auburn...but they didn't want the stigma of being on the show and declined to be filmed.


In what universe has The Seattle Times ever been "slightly to the left"?

Also the PI had been around in one form or another for 146 years. So I wouldn't exactly say it failed! The internet has been slowly killing the print versions of newspapers for years.
 
2013-08-11 04:43:59 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Apparently the area doesn't already have a law covering threatening someone with a fake weapon, as an example was given of a case where one roomate threatened the other with a fake gun, but they were unable to prosecute.


Locally, the "brandishing" statute CLEARLY includes replicas or anything that reasonably make somebody think that they are going to be shot.  Most states have such laws.  I suspect what happened in the case at hand is that the "victim's"  fear wasn't remotely reasonable, so it wasn't prosecuted.  This is pretty common.  For example:  Remember the kid who got in trouble for eating his pop-tart into the shape of a gun?  If he pointed that "gun" at somebody in a well-lit room at close range, his "victims" would clearly see that it was a processed food product of some kind, and not actually a firearm.  Hence there would be no crime committed under the brandishing statute.
 
2013-08-11 04:59:11 PM
Heh.  Washington State does have a statute such as that, but it specifically exempts " Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business".  That's prolly why the Roomie's conduct wasn't criminal.
 
2013-08-11 05:01:20 PM
No, now the next generation will never know the joy of Duck Hunt!
 
2013-08-11 06:36:10 PM
It's Lakewood. The kids are playing with their parent's real guns, not displaying toys.
 
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