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(Deadline)   Dystopian classist sci-fi pic Elysium takes the weekend with $30.5 million, while We're the Millers is a close #2 with $25.7 million. Pixar's Planes doesn't quite take off as expected, making an aborted landing at #3 with $21 million   (deadline.com) divider line 117
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2013-08-11 09:55:15 AM  
Elysium is seriously heavy handed in its message but a good movie nonetheless.
 
2013-08-11 11:11:03 AM  
Saw it yesterday.  It was pretty good, but yeah there was some pretty serious libtard propaganda going on there.
 
2013-08-11 11:13:48 AM  

Nefarious: Elysium is seriously heavy handed in its message but a good movie nonetheless.


It is the most heavy handed movie of all time. 

Nefarious: but a good movie nonetheless.


I feel obliged to disagree. 

Sheriff Joe-dy Foster's overacting was the most nuanced major-character performance in that film. The script is as close as you can get to Johnny Mnemonic without getting sued, with a healthy dash of Neuromancer thrown in. They spend a lot of time setting up plots that mean nothing, go nowhere. They give Jesus four reasons to go to the Villa Straylight, none of them subtle, and two of them completely forgotten by the end and irrelevant to the story overall.. The ham-handed race message is so clumsily done that the white man and the brown girl who grew up in the same orphanage have different accents - his being upper class american and hers being a nice generica-brown.

And that's all I can say without getting into actual Spoilers.
 
2013-08-11 11:34:50 AM  
Saw Elysium on Friday. It was not what I would call subtle.

It's all about expectations, though. For a "leave your brain at home and enjoy the 'splosions" flick, it works pretty good. But a lot of people were expecting a high-concept sci-fi masterpiece. When the movie failed to live up to those expectations, they couldn't help but be disappointed.
 
2013-08-11 11:42:18 AM  
I saw Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters. It was good.
 
2013-08-11 11:58:43 AM  
I think I'll go see Elysium today- looked like a good flick.  Plus matinees are pretty cheap compared to primetime prices.
 
2013-08-11 12:20:55 PM  
Really all I want from the world is a dystopian movie that doesn't start with the same cliche of the guy having a job in the factory that builds the same robots that are oppressing him.
 
2013-08-11 01:49:42 PM  
planes = Disney, not Pixar
 
2013-08-11 01:53:25 PM  
 Bang for budget, We're The Millers cost $30M to make, Elysium about $100M.

And I gotta say, Elysium looks like a cross breeding of THX1138 and Idiocracy.
 
2013-08-11 01:58:53 PM  
Most old sci-fi that had some sort of allegory was usually pretty heavy handed with it. People are used to fighting robots and space ships shooting each other passing as sci-fi. So yeah, they hit you over the head with their message or whatever but classic sci-fi usually does.
 
2013-08-11 01:59:19 PM  
I was looking forward to Elysium but the (relativity) poor reviews and low cinescore downgraded it to DVD for me. It is a shame since I loved district 9. The idea that there was enough wealth on Elysim to make all of earth rich seemed farfetched even for scifi.
 
2013-08-11 01:59:53 PM  
Saw it Friday with the boy.  We both enjoyed it for what it was.  If you are focusing on a political statement to biatch about just stay home.  Damon and Foster were both excellent  and it was a shoot-em-up fun movie.
 
2013-08-11 02:01:43 PM  

Carth: I was looking forward to Elysium but the (relativity) poor reviews and low cinescore downgraded it to DVD for me. It is a shame since I loved district 9. The idea that there was enough wealth on Elysim to make all of earth rich seemed farfetched even for scifi.


If wealth were a physical thing, I might agree with you.
 
2013-08-11 02:03:23 PM  
With a minimum of spoilers - I liked a Elysium, but I would have liked it better if the bad people, particularly Foster's character, were less outright evil. Or at least had some rationalization for their actions. The final scenes make it clear that they were evil assholes for absolutely no reason what so ever. Otherwise, it was enjoyable
 
2013-08-11 02:03:26 PM  

skribble: planes = Disney, not Pixar


Which Disney is attempting to obfuscate as much as humanly possible.
 
2013-08-11 02:04:45 PM  
I saw Elysium because there really wasn't anything else.  It was meh.   I can see how it is conservatives worst fears come to life (minor spoilers)

1)  Mexicans take over L.A. and turn it into a shiathole even worse than Mexico.  Matt Damon is the last white guy left.  Something similar happened across the world.
2)  Most of the white people escape earth to Elysium.
3)  largely brown inhabitants of earth become citizens of Elysium and we can only assume what happened to earth will also happen to Elysium.

I saw the Conjuring on Friday and that was the best horror movie I have seen in a decade.
 
2013-08-11 02:05:24 PM  
What sort of business did subby and TFA think Planes was going to do? $21m for a movie that is a pretty blatant cash-in attempt and was going to be direct-to-video seems like it would have been on the high-end of expectations.
 
2013-08-11 02:06:12 PM  

Mugato: old sci-fi that had some sort of allegory was usually pretty heavy handed with it.


How old are we talking? The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? A Princess of Mars? From the Earth to the Moon? I think scifi works best when they can get the message across without beating you over the head with it. Thinking back on my favorite science fiction books none of them beat you over the head with their message.
 
2013-08-11 02:06:54 PM  
I'll see "We are the Millers" when it hits infinite re-run on basic cable
 
2013-08-11 02:07:42 PM  

Lost Thought 00: With a minimum of spoilers - I liked a Elysium, but I would have liked it better if the bad people, particularly Foster's character, were less outright evil. Or at least had some rationalization for their actions. The final scenes make it clear that they were evil assholes for absolutely no reason what so ever. Otherwise, it was enjoyable


Well, to be fair, a good portion of the real-life GOP propose and push for things that are blatantly evil for no other reason than because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-08-11 02:12:08 PM  

Lost Thought 00: With a minimum of spoilers - I liked a Elysium, but I would have liked it better if the bad people, particularly Foster's character, were less outright evil. Or at least had some rationalization for their actions. The final scenes make it clear that they were evil assholes for absolutely no reason what so ever. Otherwise, it was enjoyable


I think most people would be shocked to learn just how evil a lot of corporate types really are, particularly those who are very separated from the everyday due to their position.  "Because I can do X, and I don't have to consider Y" is quite a motivator for all people in the long run.
 
2013-08-11 02:12:33 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: But a lot of people were expecting a high-concept sci-fi masterpiece.


No, for that I'm gonna hit "Europa Report". I just heard about it yesterday. The trailers look farking sexy.
 
2013-08-11 02:16:53 PM  

iaazathot: Lost Thought 00: With a minimum of spoilers - I liked a Elysium, but I would have liked it better if the bad people, particularly Foster's character, were less outright evil. Or at least had some rationalization for their actions. The final scenes make it clear that they were evil assholes for absolutely no reason what so ever. Otherwise, it was enjoyable

I think most people would be shocked to learn just how evil a lot of corporate types really are, particularly those who are very separated from the everyday due to their position.  "Because I can do X, and I don't have to consider Y" is quite a motivator for all people in the long run.


I don't care about the political allegory part of it, I'm talking from a pure story writing point of view. Every character needs a motivation. Foster has none. She's not even a character so much as a plot device. Cut her out entirely and put in some backstory about why the people on Elysium are deathly afraid of Earth citizens to the point that they murder them on sight, and you might have a movie.
 
2013-08-11 02:20:20 PM  

Lost Thought 00: iaazathot: Lost Thought 00: With a minimum of spoilers - I liked a Elysium, but I would have liked it better if the bad people, particularly Foster's character, were less outright evil. Or at least had some rationalization for their actions. The final scenes make it clear that they were evil assholes for absolutely no reason what so ever. Otherwise, it was enjoyable

I think most people would be shocked to learn just how evil a lot of corporate types really are, particularly those who are very separated from the everyday due to their position.  "Because I can do X, and I don't have to consider Y" is quite a motivator for all people in the long run.

I don't care about the political allegory part of it, I'm talking from a pure story writing point of view. Every character needs a motivation. Foster has none. She's not even a character so much as a plot device. Cut her out entirely and put in some backstory about why the people on Elysium are deathly afraid of Earth citizens to the point that they murder them on sight, and you might have a movie.


Well, the problem with that assessment is that we live in a world where people are already killed simply because they come from another part of the world.  Disregarding her blind fear and deadly violence-prone instincts simply because it's not nuanced enough for you is disregarding the reality that we live in a world with people that are 'that one-dimensional' already.

In short, her character is quite believable in its immoral simplicity.
 
2013-08-11 02:21:51 PM  

Infernalist: In short, her character is quite believable in its immoral simplicity.


I weep for your soul if you honestly believe that.
 
2013-08-11 02:22:21 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Every character needs a motivation. Foster has none


Being single handedly in charge of keeping the riff off of Elysium and protecting their way of life from becoming the hell hole that is Earth isn't motivation? A lot of the main characters' motives are based on desperation and she's just as desperate as the people who are dying.
 
2013-08-11 02:22:48 PM  
Cars Planes
 
2013-08-11 02:24:26 PM  

Mugato: Most old sci-fi that had some sort of allegory was usually pretty heavy handed with it. People are used to fighting robots and space ships shooting each other passing as sci-fi. So yeah, they hit you over the head with their message or whatever but classic sci-fi usually does.


sci-fi is a completely hypothetical experiment in sociology.  Just like in real research some writers come to their conclusions first and build their data around it.
 
2013-08-11 02:26:33 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Infernalist: In short, her character is quite believable in its immoral simplicity.

I weep for your soul if you honestly believe that.


If you don't believe that there are people alive today that are already that immorally simple in nature, then you plainly haven't been paying close enough attention to government figures.
 
2013-08-11 02:29:27 PM  

Mugato: Lost Thought 00: Every character needs a motivation. Foster has none

Being single handedly in charge of keeping the riff off of Elysium and protecting their way of life from becoming the hell hole that is Earth isn't motivation? A lot of the main characters' motives are based on desperation and she's just as desperate as the people who are dying.


Ok - spoilers - My issue is the Robotic EMS ships at the end. When Damon succeeds, they take off and fly to earth to provide fully automated medical care to the masses. These obviously already existed and were waiting to go on Elysium. They were not being used by the people on Elysium, and there is no downside whatsoever to the people on Elysium with them being deployed. And there is obvious upside to them, as it would stop the illegal immigrant shuttles. They know the immigrants are not coming to Elysium to settle, they are coming for medical care (there is no illegal immigrant underclass of successful immigrants) before being evicted. So why exactly are the people on Elysium hoarding this miracle medical technology? No explanation is ever given for the central conflict of the movie.
 
2013-08-11 02:33:21 PM  

Uncle Pooky: What sort of business did subby and TFA think Planes was going to do? $21m for a movie that is a pretty blatant cash-in attempt and was going to be direct-to-video seems like it would have been on the high-end of expectations.


I really want that movie to fail so much. It just sets such a bad precedent for children's movies (which have generally been excellent the past 20 years or so). Direct-to-video crappy sequels are okay.

Between this and the abject failure of "Mars Needs Moms," I expect Disney to never spend more than $50 million on an animated movie again, and stick to exclusively sequels/spin-offs.
 
2013-08-11 02:37:13 PM  

Supes: Uncle Pooky: What sort of business did subby and TFA think Planes was going to do? $21m for a movie that is a pretty blatant cash-in attempt and was going to be direct-to-video seems like it would have been on the high-end of expectations.

I really want that movie to fail so much. It just sets such a bad precedent for children's movies (which have generally been excellent the past 20 years or so). Direct-to-video crappy sequels are okay.

Between this and the abject failure of "Mars Needs Moms," I expect Disney to never spend more than $50 million on an animated movie again, and stick to exclusively sequels/spin-offs.


I'm pretty sure that Planes could gross $0 in theaters and still be profitable thanks to the merchandising.
 
2013-08-11 02:42:37 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Mugato: Lost Thought 00: Every character needs a motivation. Foster has none

Being single handedly in charge of keeping the riff off of Elysium and protecting their way of life from becoming the hell hole that is Earth isn't motivation? A lot of the main characters' motives are based on desperation and she's just as desperate as the people who are dying.

Ok - spoilers - My issue is the Robotic EMS ships at the end. When Damon succeeds, they take off and fly to earth to provide fully automated medical care to the masses. These obviously already existed and were waiting to go on Elysium. They were not being used by the people on Elysium, and there is no downside whatsoever to the people on Elysium with them being deployed. And there is obvious upside to them, as it would stop the illegal immigrant shuttles. They know the immigrants are not coming to Elysium to settle, they are coming for medical care (there is no illegal immigrant underclass of successful immigrants) before being evicted. So why exactly are the people on Elysium hoarding this miracle medical technology? No explanation is ever given for the central conflict of the movie.


It costs money to help people.
 
2013-08-11 02:51:42 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: I saw Elysium because there really wasn't anything else.  It was meh.   I can see how it is conservatives worst fears come to life (minor spoilers)

1)  Mexicans take over L.A. and turn it into a shiathole even worse than Mexico.  Matt Damon is the last white guy left.  Something similar happened across the world.
2)  Most of the white people escape earth to Elysium.
3)  largely brown inhabitants of earth become citizens of Elysium and we can only assume what happened to earth will also happen to Elysium.

I saw the Conjuring on Friday and that was the best horror movie I have seen in a decade.


I saw both movies over the weekend. I think "The Conjuring" is a great movie. good performances all around and a good script.

For me "Elysium" was boring. Even for a sci-fi movie just a lot of stuff the characters did made no sense and I thought the ending was poor. And I was laughing because it looked like they just bolted that exoskeleton to Matt Damon right through his clothing. I guess it didn't matter because he was dying anyways, but it looked silly even for a fiction movie.
 
2013-08-11 02:54:36 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Mugato: Lost Thought 00: Every character needs a motivation. Foster has none

Being single handedly in charge of keeping the riff off of Elysium and protecting their way of life from becoming the hell hole that is Earth isn't motivation? A lot of the main characters' motives are based on desperation and she's just as desperate as the people who are dying.

Ok - spoilers - My issue is the Robotic EMS ships at the end. When Damon succeeds, they take off and fly to earth to provide fully automated medical care to the masses. These obviously already existed and were waiting to go on Elysium. They were not being used by the people on Elysium, and there is no downside whatsoever to the people on Elysium with them being deployed. And there is obvious upside to them, as it would stop the illegal immigrant shuttles. They know the immigrants are not coming to Elysium to settle, they are coming for medical care (there is no illegal immigrant underclass of successful immigrants) before being evicted. So why exactly are the people on Elysium hoarding this miracle medical technology? No explanation is ever given for the central conflict of the movie.


Simple answer: the people on Elysium are either ignorant of the situations on Earth (re: anyone with a non-speaking role) or they're dicks to varying degrees (the central government, Foster's character). Since Elysium is still around by movie's end, perhaps a sequel can focus on an unseen faction on Elysium, motivated by the first movie's events, seeking to replace that government in place of one that isn't so dickish.
 
2013-08-11 02:59:53 PM  

Clutch2013: Simple answer: the people on Elysium are either ignorant of the situations on Earth (re: anyone with a non-speaking role) or they're dicks to varying degrees (the central government, Foster's character). Since Elysium is still around by movie's end, perhaps a sequel can focus on an unseen faction on Elysium, motivated by the first movie's events, seeking to replace that government in place of one that isn't so dickish.


They're dicks is the only explanation I can come up with given the movie as shown. Which is wholly unsatisfying for a movie that's supposed to have a broader message.

Infernalist: It costs money to help people.


That was never even hinted at in the context of the movie.
 
2013-08-11 03:17:28 PM  

Clutch2013: Simple answer: the people on Elysium are either ignorant of the situations on Earth (re: anyone with a non-speaking role) or they're dicks to varying degrees (the central government, Foster's character)


I thought it was well conveyed that the common people of Elysium are ignorant of how bad it is on earth. And even if they knew, they would probably have the same attitude Starling had, they'd do anything to preserve it the way it is. It's not that far fetched a concept.
 
2013-08-11 03:27:34 PM  

Supes: skribble: planes = Disney, not Pixar

Which Disney is attempting to obfuscate as much as humanly possible.


QFT

They finally hit the bottom of the barrel, and instead of making coattail animation they've gone on to just appropriating character design.
 
2013-08-11 03:32:05 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Clutch2013: Simple answer: the people on Elysium are either ignorant of the situations on Earth (re: anyone with a non-speaking role) or they're dicks to varying degrees (the central government, Foster's character). Since Elysium is still around by movie's end, perhaps a sequel can focus on an unseen faction on Elysium, motivated by the first movie's events, seeking to replace that government in place of one that isn't so dickish.

They're dicks is the only explanation I can come up with given the movie as shown. Which is wholly unsatisfying for a movie that's supposed to have a broader message.

Infernalist: It costs money to help people.

That was never even hinted at in the context of the movie.


It's a corporation-run outfit. Does it need to be spelled out in small simple words at the bottom of the screen when they introduce the concept of what happens when corporations run things?
 
2013-08-11 03:34:10 PM  
I'm looking forward to the entire series of "Cars" retreads covering all forms of transportation, including "Trains", "Coach-and-Fours", "Pole-Barges", "Chariots", "Zodiacs" and "Reindeer Sledges".
 
2013-08-11 03:38:31 PM  

Carth: Mugato: old sci-fi that had some sort of allegory was usually pretty heavy handed with it.

How old are we talking? The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? A Princess of Mars? From the Earth to the Moon? I think scifi works best when they can get the message across without beating you over the head with it. Thinking back on my favorite science fiction books none of them beat you over the head with their message.


I'm the opposite. I most like sci-fi that basically is a barely-concealed political, social, or spiritual treatise (Heinlein, I'm looking at you).
 
2013-08-11 03:38:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: They were not being used by the people on Elysium, and there is no downside whatsoever to the people on Elysium with them being deployed. And there is obvious upside to them, as it would stop the illegal immigrant shuttles. They know the immigrants are not coming to Elysium to settle, they are coming for medical care (there is no illegal immigrant underclass of successful immigrants) before being evicted. So why exactly are the people on Elysium hoarding this miracle medical technology? No explanation is ever given for the central conflict of the movie.


That was my problem with it. It would have been more believable if they had clinics on Earth but simply charged too much for the care. To completely keep this technology off the earth for no apparent reason but to be evil was too much for me to swallow even with my very dim view of the goodness of people.
 
2013-08-11 03:53:04 PM  

Lost Thought 00: I'll see "We are the Millers" when it hits infinite re-run on basic cable


And it will still suck.

/wife dragged me to see it
//rated R and not even a single boob
///Anniston is hot, but way too old to be believable as a stripper
////slashies!
 
2013-08-11 03:54:29 PM  

Uncle Pooky: What sort of business did subby and TFA think Planes was going to do? $21m for a movie that is a pretty blatant cash-in attempt and was going to be direct-to-video seems like it would have been on the high-end of expectations.


I'm really looking forward to Disney's next pic in the series, Drones -- especially the scene where lovable ol' Uncle Hellfire visits a Yemeni village.
 
2013-08-11 03:56:07 PM  

Nefarious: Elysium is seriously heavy handed in its message but a good movie nonetheless.


Even more heavy-handed than District 9?
 
2013-08-11 03:56:31 PM  

Tor_Eckman: ///Anniston is hot, but way too old to be believable as a stripper


I figured that was a comedic point. Like she works the 10:00AM day shift along with the free wings.

Has Aniston been in one decent movie that wasn't Office Space?
 
2013-08-11 04:05:43 PM  

Uncle Pooky: What sort of business did subby and TFA think Planes was going to do? $21m for a movie that is a pretty blatant cash-in attempt and was going to be direct-to-video seems like it would have been on the high-end of expectations.


The Deadline Hollywood guy can't write a headline without throwing in some totally unwarranted snark.

Since he pays for the greenlights anyway, it must be some kind of "reaffirming my coolness to myself" kinda thing.
 
2013-08-11 04:06:25 PM  

RenownedCurator: Supes: Uncle Pooky: What sort of business did subby and TFA think Planes was going to do? $21m for a movie that is a pretty blatant cash-in attempt and was going to be direct-to-video seems like it would have been on the high-end of expectations.

I really want that movie to fail so much. It just sets such a bad precedent for children's movies (which have generally been excellent the past 20 years or so). Direct-to-video crappy sequels are okay.

Between this and the abject failure of "Mars Needs Moms," I expect Disney to never spend more than $50 million on an animated movie again, and stick to exclusively sequels/spin-offs.

I'm pretty sure that Planes could gross $0 in theaters and still be profitable thanks to the merchandising.


I remember before "Up" was released and they were worried about the merchandising revenue. It really cheesed me off at the time.

It was only once I had a son that I truly realized how far reaching the merchandising for "Cars" and Toy Story" is. It's on everything. We'll be walking down the grocery store aisle and my son will yell "Cars!". I have to look for a minute to realize he managed to spy a soup can with Mater on it.

I took him to Target last week and he was pointing out all the "Planes" figures by their name. Hasn't seen the movie yet, but he knows who all there characters are.
 
2013-08-11 04:08:29 PM  
Not as good as District 9, obviously. I don't think it's super-duper heavy handed to point out that all the rich people in Space Bel-Air are white and all the grubby commoners are not. FFS, that's what it's like here, now, today. "Oh, they could help all those people, why are they being dicks?" Where have you people been? That's what it's like today. The thing that bugged me, though, was that today's Bel Air has much better security than the damn space station. Jodie Foster's "system" was antiquated by today's standards, let alone 150 years in the future.
 
2013-08-11 04:08:56 PM  

serial_crusher: Saw it yesterday.  It was pretty good, but yeah there was some pretty serious libtard propaganda going on there.


Jar Jar Abrams's Star Trek:Into Brainlessness will soon be out on PPV, so you are covered.
 
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