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(Southwest Iowa News)   $740 million is the amount A) spent on beefing up security in light of the Ramadan terror threat; B) Americans spent on liquor this summer; C) the United States Postal Service lost in 3rd quarter 2013   (southwestiowanews.com) divider line 110
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2013-08-11 12:32:36 AM
We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.
 
2013-08-11 12:40:33 AM
I thought B seemed a little low
 
2013-08-11 12:42:23 AM

Gig103: We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.


Exactly.  I don't particularly care if the post office makes or loses money, but we should allocate funds to make up for the difference if they're running in the red.  They provide a necessary and valuable service.

I wouldn't be opposed to Saturday deliveries being discontinued or a rise in the price of stamps, but I would adamantly oppose an end to door to door delivery.  I'd also recommend a major increase in bulk mail rates.  If they raise them the right amount they can maintain the same revenue on a lower volume of bulk mail, which would result in less junk mail delivered to each home and a lower volume of mail to process which could help lower costs.
 
2013-08-11 07:45:50 AM
This is going to be another thread where idiots use the USPS as an example of how the federal government can't do anything right, isn't it?

Don't let facts get in your way, kids.
 
2013-08-11 08:00:42 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Gig103: We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.

Exactly.  I don't particularly care if the post office makes or loses money, but we should allocate funds to make up for the difference if they're running in the red.  They provide a necessary and valuable service.

I wouldn't be opposed to Saturday deliveries being discontinued or a rise in the price of stamps, but I would adamantly oppose an end to door to door delivery.  I'd also recommend a major increase in bulk mail rates.  If they raise them the right amount they can maintain the same revenue on a lower volume of bulk mail, which would result in less junk mail delivered to each home and a lower volume of mail to process which could help lower costs.


Or you could drop the requirement that they fund their pensions out to 75 years.
 
2013-08-11 08:04:15 AM
That's piddly compared to how much we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan every day. And we didn't "lose" the money, it's how much the Republicans underfunded the postal service because they truly hate America and Americans. Thank you Mr. Boehner.
 
2013-08-11 08:06:32 AM
Aren't we long overdue for a shooting?
 
2013-08-11 08:09:33 AM
The Postal Service is an independent agency that receives no tax dollars for its day-to-day operations but is subject to congressional control.
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/sorry no repeating bear.
 
2013-08-11 08:17:51 AM

cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: Gig103: We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.

Exactly.  I don't particularly care if the post office makes or loses money, but we should allocate funds to make up for the difference if they're running in the red.  They provide a necessary and valuable service.

I wouldn't be opposed to Saturday deliveries being discontinued or a rise in the price of stamps, but I would adamantly oppose an end to door to door delivery.  I'd also recommend a major increase in bulk mail rates.  If they raise them the right amount they can maintain the same revenue on a lower volume of bulk mail, which would result in less junk mail delivered to each home and a lower volume of mail to process which could help lower costs.

Or you could drop the requirement that they fund their pensions out to 75 years.


But if we do that how will the elected officials taking huge amounts in donations from parcel carrier companies justify their closing of services and the handing over of huge contracts to private businesses?
 
2013-08-11 08:56:18 AM
Solution: Sell advertising space on the sides of postal vehicles
 
2013-08-11 08:59:37 AM
I'd be OK with no more postal "service". Let it die.
 
2013-08-11 09:00:57 AM
The postal service is required to overpay into the federal retirement plans for future retiree benefits that no other government agency or private entity is required to do.   Essentially congress is sucking the Postal Service dry to get around other budget deficiencies in federal employee benefits.
 
2013-08-11 09:03:24 AM

bmihura: I'd be OK with no more postal "service". Let it die.


Eh, I hardly ever use it myself but a lot of people still do. Besides, if they fired all the postal workers there would be a nation wide shooting spree the likes of which we've never seen.
 
2013-08-11 09:03:50 AM
Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.
 
2013-08-11 09:06:08 AM
So I walk into the P.O. to return a pair of broken glasses by mail.
I walk up to the counter and the lady takes the smallish broken-eyeglass-sized box, weighs it, and says, "We can have this there by tomorrow for $23.55."
Me: "What's the cheapest option?"
Clerk: "$3.75."
Me: "Let's to that."
Clerk: "Pardon me?"
Me, loudly and clearly: "LET'S DO THAT."

Trying to upsell me at the Post office? WTF, I ask. wtf.
 
2013-08-11 09:07:10 AM

Kevin72: The Postal Service is an independent agency that receives no tax dollars for its day-to-day operations but is subject to congressional control.
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/sorry no repeating bear.


This is why "congress" is a synonym for "farking."
 
2013-08-11 09:07:54 AM
D) half the dollar amount we gift Egypt every year (presumably so they'll continue to hate us).
 
2013-08-11 09:08:30 AM
All of the USPS haters who think this is proof they can't do anything right need to understand the effects of HR 6407 passed in 2006. A deliberate attempt by Congress to bust USPS unions, and drive the agency into the ground.
 
2013-08-11 09:08:34 AM
"Postal Service" huh? It's these kind of new-fangled services that are taking money away from the real important things like the United States Telegraph Service (USTS) -- This is who really needs our dollars more! Just don't let the United States Butter Churners Organisation (USBCO) know though, they might stick their hands out as well.
 
2013-08-11 09:08:34 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I thought B seemed a little low


Sorry, my bad. I haven't been able to drink this summer. I'll make up for it next year.

/9 month parasite and all
 
2013-08-11 09:09:22 AM

DubyaHater: Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.


Perhaps because the USPS would be a successful business model if not for congressional interference.  Or it could also be because the "successful enterprises" like UPS and FedEx use the US Postal Service when packages delivered in areas where they do not have coverage.  Dump USPS and you essentially remove mail service for a large area of the United States where the population density is not high enough for the private companies to bother with.

Also, the minimum retirement age for the USPS is 57 if you have worked there for 30 years.  60 and above if you have not.  So please explain what black magic allows them to retire at age 35.
 
2013-08-11 09:09:46 AM

bmihura: I'd be OK with no more postal "service". Let it die.


Really? And you think UPS or FedEx will take a letter across country for you for 50 cents?
And before you reply with "who sends letters" the answer is a lot of people.
 
2013-08-11 09:11:10 AM

Gig103: We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.


No, but the companies that sell stuff to the Pentagon sure do!

/you troops will buy several dozen of that $150 million tank you don't need or want and like it!
//whoops, sorry, we're gonna have to cut veterans' health care because of a $150M budget shortfall
 
2013-08-11 09:11:18 AM

DubyaHater: Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.


Wanna know how I know that you haven't a clue what you're talking about?
Your tax dollars do not fund the USPS pension.

Oh yeah and UPS or FedEx NEVER ruin people's packages. (rolls eyes)
 
2013-08-11 09:11:19 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I don't particularly care if the post office makes or loses money



You must be part of the 47%.
 
2013-08-11 09:12:45 AM

DubyaHater: Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.



You must be part of the 53%.
 
2013-08-11 09:13:57 AM

Mugato: bmihura: I'd be OK with no more postal "service". Let it die.

Eh, I hardly ever use it myself but a lot of people still do. Besides, if they fired all the postal workers there would be a nation wide shooting spree the likes of which we've never seen.


Plus, it would take a constitutional amendment.
 
2013-08-11 09:16:10 AM
An article that actually has facts in it! Let us take a quick stock of the people who I already see didn't bother reading the article...

/hurp "my tax dollars" "service I don't use" a durp
 
2013-08-11 09:19:17 AM

DubyaHater: Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.


Strangely enough Fedex has been losing money since 2009. They also charge many times the amount for the same service, and typically use the USPS to do many last mile deliveries as it cheaper than using their own service.

UPS is making a profit. They are just as unionised as the USPS, if not more so. Even then they require the USPS to perform many of the end service routes and charge a considerable greater amount too.

Your tax dollars aren't used to finance the postal service either. Nor do they retire at anything but normal retirement age.

So either this is a great troll, which I salute you, or your the biggest retard I seen on Fark all day.
 
2013-08-11 09:19:57 AM

austin_millbarge: DubyaHater: Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.

Wanna know how I know that you haven't a clue what you're talking about?
Your tax dollars do not fund the USPS pension.

Oh yeah and UPS or FedEx NEVER ruin people's packages. (rolls eyes)


I'm wondering if perhaps the username is too subtle.
 
2013-08-11 09:22:05 AM
I guess some of you want mom to transfer the money over instead of send a card.
 
2013-08-11 09:24:07 AM

limeyfellow: DubyaHater: Why keep a bloated bureaucratic regime like the USPS when successful enterprises like UPS and Federal Express can make money while delivering packages/letters without ruining them? I'm tired of my tax dollars paying someone's pension who retired at age 35.

Strangely enough Fedex has been losing money since 2009. They also charge many times the amount for the same service, and typically use the USPS to do many last mile deliveries as it cheaper than using their own service.

UPS is making a profit. They are just as unionised as the USPS, if not more so. Even then they require the USPS to perform many of the end service routes and charge a considerable greater amount too.

Your tax dollars aren't used to finance the postal service either. Nor do they retire at anything but normal retirement age.

So either this is a great troll, which I salute you, or your the biggest retard I seen on Fark all day.


Biggest? It must be early...
 
2013-08-11 09:27:42 AM

UsikFark: So either this is a great troll, which I salute you, or your the biggest retard I seen on Fark all day.

Biggest? It must be early...


I dont see what the mans weight has to do with any of this.
 
2013-08-11 09:28:39 AM
I'd be cool with restructuring the post office.

3 days a week delivery, 6 days a week for the offices for drop off mail. Bulk mail prices go up and stamps are rounded up to 50 cents each and kept that price for a few years. More rural distribution can be organized into boxes at civic and geographically significant buildings (which can include places of worship if the town is small enough) to save more. Package delivery will be called ahead so the person can decide if they want the box left at the box or if they want to come in and get it (free storage for 30 days and then the box is sent back). Repeal HR 6407 and give Congress a giant middle finger. The postal service works and I've been very happy with their service.

The last negative experience I had with them was because they had the office meth-addicted girl in my former apartment complex sign for my package and didn't tell me. After four attempts of searching through their records, they found the signature and I pieced together what happened. (It was still delivered on time, according to their records)
 
2013-08-11 09:37:15 AM

Kevin72: That's piddly compared to how much we wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan every day. And we didn't "lose" the money, it's how much the Republicans underfunded the postal service because they truly hate America and Americans. Thank you Mr. Boehner.


Only customers fund the postal service, but thanks for playing.

Congresses pension funding requirement is out of line.
 
2013-08-11 09:38:13 AM

limeyfellow: Your tax dollars aren't used to finance the postal service



If they're losing three billion a year, somebody is making up the difference (unless they've got it in the bank).  Only a government-run 'business' can operate that way and not go OUT of business.  I don't even know if Amtrack is losing that much.
 
2013-08-11 09:40:10 AM
It's sad how many trolls are up this early.
 
2013-08-11 09:46:04 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'd be cool with restructuring the post office.

3 days a week delivery, 6 days a week for the offices for drop off mail. Bulk mail prices go up and stamps are rounded up to 50 cents each and kept that price for a few years. More rural distribution can be organized into boxes at civic and geographically significant buildings (which can include places of worship if the town is small enough) to save more. Package delivery will be called ahead so the person can decide if they want the box left at the box or if they want to come in and get it (free storage for 30 days and then the box is sent back). Repeal HR 6407 and give Congress a giant middle finger. The postal service works and I've been very happy with their service.

The last negative experience I had with them was because they had the office meth-addicted girl in my former apartment complex sign for my package and didn't tell me. After four attempts of searching through their records, they found the signature and I pieced together what happened. (It was still delivered on time, according to their records)


These are the kinds of unresearched ideas I would expect from a politician on a stump.
 
2013-08-11 09:48:53 AM

UsikFark: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'd be cool with restructuring the post office.

3 days a week delivery, 6 days a week for the offices for drop off mail. Bulk mail prices go up and stamps are rounded up to 50 cents each and kept that price for a few years. More rural distribution can be organized into boxes at civic and geographically significant buildings (which can include places of worship if the town is small enough) to save more. Package delivery will be called ahead so the person can decide if they want the box left at the box or if they want to come in and get it (free storage for 30 days and then the box is sent back). Repeal HR 6407 and give Congress a giant middle finger. The postal service works and I've been very happy with their service.

The last negative experience I had with them was because they had the office meth-addicted girl in my former apartment complex sign for my package and didn't tell me. After four attempts of searching through their records, they found the signature and I pieced together what happened. (It was still delivered on time, according to their records)

These are the kinds of unresearched ideas I would expect from a politician on a stump.


I was drinking last night and me no have the brain power at the moment, so I'm just going to say thank you and come back to see if that was sarcasm.
 
2013-08-11 09:51:12 AM
Just another block in the pyramid scheme that is the US government. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-08-11 09:53:11 AM

Mugato: bmihura: I'd be OK with no more postal "service". Let it die.

Eh, I hardly ever use it myself but a lot of people still do. Besides, if they fired all the postal workers there would be a nation wide shooting spree the likes of which we've never seen.


Oh but think on the bright side. Drew would have his biggest day in the history of Fark.com.
 
2013-08-11 09:53:13 AM
According to Wikipedia, they have not made any pension pre- payments for a few years
 
2013-08-11 09:54:05 AM
media5.jimcarroll.com
 
2013-08-11 10:00:59 AM
One day in the life of USPS
Number of packages picked up through Package Pickup - 727,167
Number of customers served at more than 31,000 retail locations - 3.2 Million
Number of people who visit USPS.com - 1 Million
Number of pieces processed and delivered - 528 Million
Number of miles driven by letter carriers and truck drivers - 4.3 Million
Number of tax dollars received for perating the Postal Service - $0
 
2013-08-11 10:02:34 AM

cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: Gig103: We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.

Exactly.  I don't particularly care if the post office makes or loses money, but we should allocate funds to make up for the difference if they're running in the red.  They provide a necessary and valuable service.

I wouldn't be opposed to Saturday deliveries being discontinued or a rise in the price of stamps, but I would adamantly oppose an end to door to door delivery.  I'd also recommend a major increase in bulk mail rates.  If they raise them the right amount they can maintain the same revenue on a lower volume of bulk mail, which would result in less junk mail delivered to each home and a lower volume of mail to process which could help lower costs.

Or you could drop the requirement that they fund their pensions out to 75 years.


Yeah, considering they are the only company public or private required to do so.

They are pre funding retirement benefits for employees not even BORN yet.

All a ploy to run them out of business. UPS and FedEx must be slinging some huge lobbyist money.
 
2013-08-11 10:04:56 AM

bmihura: I'd be OK with no more postal "service". Let it die.


You want to pay UPS and FedEx prices every time you order something? I don't.

Not to mention there are a lot of places in this country that they would deem unprofitable causing people to drive to their nearest store.

No thanks.
 
2013-08-11 10:12:11 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'd be cool with restructuring the post office.

3 days a week delivery, 6 days a week for the offices for drop off mail. Bulk mail prices go up and stamps are rounded up to 50 cents each and kept that price for a few years. More rural distribution can be organized into boxes at civic and geographically significant buildings (which can include places of worship if the town is small enough) to save more. Package delivery will be called ahead so the person can decide if they want the box left at the box or if they want to come in and get it (free storage for 30 days and then the box is sent back). Repeal HR 6407 and give Congress a giant middle finger. The postal service works and I've been very happy with their service.



Yeah, why not a basic restructuring of services and fees?  Aunt Mildred in Topeka will eventually pass on, along with her Reader's Digest subscription.  I'm happy with the services they provide to me, but I would guess that about 85% of the stuff that is delivered to my mailbox is junk.  It goes directly into the recycle bin, and never makes it inside the house.
 
2013-08-11 10:25:10 AM
SHENANIGANS!

Pay no mind, it is just the GOP Congresscritters trying to steal your government, one incremental piece at a time.
Fatten up that retirement account so that the fratboy who wins the lotto can raid it.
 
2013-08-11 10:25:39 AM
Let's see, a private enterprise where to raise rates, or even *gasp* charge more to serve remote areas like Alaska and Hawaii require acts of congress....
 
2013-08-11 10:26:42 AM

Gig103: We've been over this. They're the only agency that is required to prefund their pension, and also they operate on a Congressional mandate to provide service. The Pentagon doesn't run at a profit either.


God, the Pentagon makes the USPS and Amtrack look like tightwads.
Those idiots spend like drunken sailors in a whore house
 
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