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(Extreme Tech)   Statistics show that talking on a hand-held cell phone while driving does not lead to more accidents. Texting drivers are still assholes though   (extremetech.com) divider line 76
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2013-08-10 04:01:12 PM  
And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.
 
2013-08-10 04:43:04 PM  
"The mobile user data would include passengers as well as drivers. "

Well, good, because supposedly the ludicrous DUI/DWI laws were written using data from crashes where anyone was drinking, driver or not. All's fair, motherfarkers.
 
2013-08-10 04:45:03 PM  

edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.


Cell phone ownership and number of highway miles seems like a poor basis for the claim.
 
2013-08-10 04:45:51 PM  
Maybe we are just shiatty drivers
 
2013-08-10 04:46:36 PM  
"Statistics show that talking on a hand-held cell phone while driving does not lead to more accidents."

However dumbshiats looking down to scroll through contacts or dial the number does.
 
2013-08-10 04:47:21 PM  
Bull farking shiat. I like playing guess of they're drunk, 90, or on the phone. Generally, they're on the phone.
 
2013-08-10 04:48:27 PM  
my dad was killed in an auto accident after some some chick blew through a stop sign and hit him.

she was talking on her phone and "didn't see the stop sign," according to the police report.

so, you know, fark those statistics.
 
2013-08-10 04:49:12 PM  
FTFA: There's a damning graphic in their study that compares cellphone ownership over 20 years vs. car crashes. Ownership is steadily up, crashes and fatal crashes are steadily down.

Did their study also prove that correlation does in fact equal causation? Otherwise this study seems like nothing other than a fun way to troll the media and statisticians
 
2013-08-10 04:50:30 PM  
Well this is an example of poor study design. Ecological fallacy galore. Someone should be along any time now to post about pirates and global warming.
 
2013-08-10 04:50:49 PM  

HotGore: Maybe we are just shiatty drivers


shiatty drivers + taking "acceptable risks."
 
2013-08-10 04:53:52 PM  
Lemme guess... these statistics came from the Whiny Self Entitled Assholes Who Make Sh*t Up So They Can Get Their Own Way No Matter How Petty the Issue Despite the Costs to Society Institute.

I love the work they've done for the GOP. Guess they're branching out to the more general selfish dillhole population.
 
2013-08-10 04:54:55 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-08-10 04:56:06 PM  
edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.


As someone who drives at work, I can say that people on cell phones are a bigger hazard on the road these days than drunks. Cell phone and driving should carry penalties AT LEAST as stiff as DUI
 
2013-08-10 04:57:35 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.qkme.me image 431x712]


By the looks of it, 60.
 
2013-08-10 04:58:57 PM  
It's easy to challenge the study, or at least to nibble around the edges. The mobile user data would include passengers as well as drivers. Cars are getting safer all the time and drunks are being policed off the roads more than in the past. Passing a hands-free law isn't the same as getting people to obey it. Texting may be more distracting than making a call, as the authors themselves note. And so forth. But still, the research should be kept in mind when the the Department of Transportation and the states ponder their next steps.

Even the article admits this study's retarded.
 
2013-08-10 04:59:14 PM  
FTA:  They identified drivers as those whose calls were regularly handed off from cell tower to cell tower. At the time, most carriers offered free calling after 9 pm. Bhargava and Pathania found motorists increased their calling by 7% at 9pm. They pulled up data on eight million car crashes in those four years as well as all fatal crashes. Their finding: no statistical link. Crashes didn't go up when calling went up.

That is a very dubious conclusion to make from that. Looking at only a very narrow window of time, especially one where there might not be that many people out driving, doesn't seem particularly valid. Also, cellphones weren't nearly as ubiquitous back in 2005 as they are today; there are a lot more younger people with cellphones now than there were back then. Also the study had no way to know who in the car was using a cell phone. In short, bad study is bad.
 
2013-08-10 05:06:33 PM  
Got pulled over on the 101 last Monday afternoon for chatting on the phone. CHP officer let me off with a fix-it ticket for not having a valid insurance card in the glovebox. $25 ticket vs a $900+ ticket.

/second time CHP has been cool to me
//LAPD can eat a portable dumptster bag chock full of drizzly dicks
///slashie
 
2013-08-10 05:07:05 PM  
Seriously, just get off the phone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos

If I take a call, or check text messages I pull over and make the car safe. Technically I'm still in the wrong because the law here is that you need the ignition off *and* I believe the key removed. (Not 100% sure about the latter).

I've been in situations where someone is about to pull out onto a road and they're talking on their mobile phone - so I've stood in front of their car indicating for them to get off it before I move so they can too. Sooner or later, they do.
 
2013-08-10 05:07:30 PM  
dump(T!)ster WTF...
 
2013-08-10 05:15:24 PM  
I'm waiting for a ban on passengers in vehicles since talking to multiple people is obviously much more deadly than having a single conversation.
 
2013-08-10 05:17:04 PM  
i1280.photobucket.com
I commute with self-absorbed phone-talking douchebags daily.
Drunks are better drivers.
 
2013-08-10 05:19:22 PM  

edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.


What I find interesting is the slight uptick in fatal crashes, starting around 2002 and taking a slow rise from then on. My estimate is that 2002 is right around the time that texting started to become a widespread form of communication.

I have a few observations about car crashes. These are from personal experience and may or may not represent statistical reality:
-Over the last 10 years, as older vehicles have been taken off the road, the consequences of traffic accidents have become less severe. People are walking away from accidents in a 2006 car that would have injured them badly in a 1992 car.

-There has been a noticable increase in horrific accidents as a percentage, the circumstances of which leads one to wonder if the driver was paying any attention at all. The most notable examples, all from the last year: a young woman rear-ended a parked FedEx truck at 50-60 mph, putting most of her car under the truck and killing her. She was found to have made a Facebook post one minute prior to the accident and still had the app open. Two young men having a head-on collision that either one should have been able to avoid, seriously injuring both. A car with four high school kids runs a red at a busy intersection, gets t-boned, killing a passenger and seriously injuring another. The driver's account was that he was looking between the seat and the console, where he had dropped his ringing phone, and never saw the red light.

I don't know what to do about it. People as a whole are stupid, and they all think they're better than average at multitasking. All the reason, education, PSAs and scolding in the world will not convince the average teen or early twenty-something that you know better than them, and quite a few older people take offense when YOU try to tell THEM what they're capable of.
 
2013-08-10 05:23:46 PM  
Invalid study conclusion is invalid.

/moran conclusion based on ridiculous assumption
 
2013-08-10 05:23:58 PM  
"Statistics show that talking on a hand-held cell phone while driving does not lead to more accidents" ... than talking on a hands-free device, which is just as dangerous.

FTFAFY
 
2013-08-10 05:24:56 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: I'm waiting for a ban on passengers in vehicles since talking to multiple people is obviously much more deadly than having a single conversation.


Except in that scenario both hands are still free to drive the car. AFAIK hands free car phones are still allowed.
 
2013-08-10 05:29:58 PM  

edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.


They're talking about talking and driving, not texting and driving.

I have long felt the issue with talking and driving is bogus, the issue isn't the phone, it's getting too involved in the conversation.

arasmin: "Statistics show that talking on a hand-held cell phone while driving does not lead to more accidents."

However dumbshiats looking down to scroll through contacts or dial the number does.


Of course--you don't call while you're driving!
 
2013-08-10 05:34:21 PM  
I Like the recently enacted cellphone&driving ban here in MD. Gives me a good excuse Not to answer my Boss who is the Only person trying to call me on my way in to work in the AM. SOB calls me all the time before I get to the office 'cause HE won't be there when we open up!
 
2013-08-10 05:35:52 PM  

lizyrd: edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.

What I find interesting is the slight uptick in fatal crashes, starting around 2002 and taking a slow rise from then on. My estimate is that 2002 is right around the time that texting started to become a widespread form of communication.

I have a few observations about car crashes. These are from personal experience and may or may not represent statistical reality:
-Over the last 10 years, as older vehicles have been taken off the road, the consequences of traffic accidents have become less severe. People are walking away from accidents in a 2006 car that would have injured them badly in a 1992 car.


I wonder if that has anything to do with more automatic transmissions these days than in previous years. The devil finds work for idle hands, as it were. (Atheists, relax it's just an idiom, so kindly don't lose your shiat).
 
2013-08-10 05:42:01 PM  

edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.


Well some of us tried to use that same line of reasoning with stoners who keep insisting that stoned drivers are the safest people in the universe even though anyone who's ever seen someone stoned knows they suck at driving.  It didn't convince them at all.  Guess it all depends on what agenda you're advocating for, eh?
 
2013-08-10 05:43:50 PM  

MrHelpful: edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.

Well some of us tried to use that same line of reasoning with stoners who keep insisting that stoned drivers are the safest people in the universe even though anyone who's ever seen someone stoned knows they suck at driving.  It didn't convince them at all.  Guess it all depends on what agenda you're advocating for, eh?


Both sides are bad so drive and text while stoned?
 
2013-08-10 05:47:07 PM  

runcible spork: "Statistics show that talking on a hand-held cell phone while driving does not lead to more accidents" ... than talking on a hands-free device, which is just as dangerous.

FTFAFY


Funny, I have both hands on the wheel with my hands-free device, and the only time a hand goes off the wheel is to push the button (hands-free dialing). It is the equivalent to talking to a passenger, or singing to a song on the radio. Tell me how this is just as dangerous.
 
2013-08-10 05:55:40 PM  
It's easy to spot people who are texting or facebook-ing while they drive. They leave an inordinate amount of space in front of their car and frequently tap their brakes for no reason.

If you're doing this, and a guy on a sport bike blows around your car and scares the shiat out of you, that was me, and yes, I scared you on purpose.
 
2013-08-10 05:56:51 PM  
It doesn't really matter WHAT you are doing. If it is somthing OTHER than paying "FULL" attention to the road and the business of navigating a 2000LB+ missile around people and objects then you are a Douche.
There are people who can chew gum and walk and there are those who can't...
Long before cell phones people were losing control because they were tuning the radio...
 
2013-08-10 05:58:14 PM  
I claim bullshiat. My own personal experience of watching idiots on cellphones cause traffic mayhem by not paying attention to their surroundings while on the phone.
IE doing 45 in the left center farking lane of a 5 lane highway while screaming at someone on the farking phone. I've seen idiots on cell phones run red lights because their too busy to bother looking. I've seen them take 20 seconds plus to notice there was a green light.

The reason they make this claim is that no one is going to admit to being on the phone after being in an accident.
 
2013-08-10 06:00:47 PM  

edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.


Not always. I've seen quite a few people pull it off. It was the people around them having the accidents.

Tends to be the folks doing the right thing and trying to avoid the asshats with their cells that end up off the road and in a ditch. The folks with the cells just continue on, oblivious to the carnage they caused.
 
2013-08-10 06:07:58 PM  

Z-clipped: It's easy to spot people who are texting or facebook-ing while they drive. They leave an inordinate amount of space in front of their car and frequently tap their brakes for no reason.

If you're doing this, and a guy on a sport bike blows around your car and scares the shiat out of you, that was me, and yes, I scared you on purpose.


Wouldn't you rather keep a wide berth from an unpredictable driver? And a rider did something like that to me once (Except with more horn) after I nearly hit him. (Not on the phone, just newish to driving). To be honest, I'm glad he did because I'm a lot more aware of motorcyclists now.
 
2013-08-10 06:11:50 PM  
Some people can make simple phone calls while driving, some can't.  Let's give cops another reason to pull us over and ruin our days/lives.  Good call.
 
2013-08-10 06:12:23 PM  

MrHelpful: Well some of us tried to use that same line of reasoning with stoners who keep insisting that stoned drivers are the safest people in the universe even though anyone who's ever seen someone stoned knows they suck at driving. It didn't convince them at all. Guess it all depends on what agenda you're advocating for, eh?


Only the true idiots use that argument. The rest of us know it's a concern and want it to be treated the same as any other DUI. Testing is the problem but I'm sure there must be a way to use a combo of erratic driving leads to road side test leads to check the pupils to maybe some kind of optical scanner and a facial swab to detect THC on the skin then a car search and then downtown for any other testing.

Get a hands free or wait to you are parked. You really are not that important.
 
2013-08-10 06:14:21 PM  
It isn't that I have never talked on the phone while driving, but it is the way you do it.

Trying to dial on an android device while driving is difficult.  Dialing on flip, while not advisable, can be done.

I have talked on on the phone while driving, but conversations go something like this.

Hello, note I am driving.
Yes.
No I can't then.
How about 10:00
Talk to you later.


I don't get into extended conversations, and driving is always first.

/Waiting for the Android flip...
 
2013-08-10 06:18:55 PM  
CarrieWhite,
If I take a call, or check text messages I pull over and make the car safe. Technically I'm still in the wrong because the law here is that you need the ignition off *and* I believe the key removed. (Not 100% sure about the latter).


I do believe texting while driving will be the next dwi and some lazy assh**e cops will start giving it to people who are sitting in drivers seat in park with the car running. Because of public $afety.

/But it would be nice if people would not text and drive.
 
2013-08-10 06:29:19 PM  

sparkeyjames: I claim bullshiat. My own personal experience of watching idiots on cellphones cause traffic mayhem by not paying attention to their surroundings while on the phone.
IE doing 45 in the left center farking lane of a 5 lane highway while screaming at someone on the farking phone. I've seen idiots on cell phones run red lights because their too busy to bother looking. I've seen them take 20 seconds plus to notice there was a green light.

The reason they make this claim is that no one is going to admit to being on the phone after being in an accident.


I guess I will have to invoke the baserate fallacy combined with confirmation bias. You see someone acting like an idiot on the road while they are on the phone, so BINGO, your hypothesis is correct.

What you missed was the amount of people who are idiots on the road. Some of those are on the phone others have one less excuse.

I think the bigger issue here is that some people cannot be trusted with a self propelled land missile and to save us from them the rest of us can go eat a shiat sammich.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-08-10 06:39:09 PM  
Virginia made texting while driving illegal last month, but you can still talk on your cell phone. Great first step at least.
 
2013-08-10 06:41:07 PM  
BetterMetalSnake
I think the bigger issue here is that some people cannot be trusted with a self propelled land missile and to save us from them the rest of us can go eat a shiat sammich.


You think we should have testing like in Europe where more skill is required, great.

I say go one step further and if people can prove themselves able to text and drive through a test, put that on the license. Have one for other challenges like being allowed to drive after three beer or having a screaming baby in the back.

/Lookout for pissed off voters in Florida.
 
2013-08-10 06:42:50 PM  

BetterMetalSnake: rest of us can go eat a shiat sammich.


Or... yanno... get a hands free device. Seriously they aren't expensive and come in many different types.
 
2013-08-10 06:44:26 PM  

farkingismybusiness:


I want to see one of these where the text is "The Killer is hiding in the back seat!"
 
2013-08-10 06:45:12 PM  
I believe texting while driving should be legal.  The moment you cause harm to anybody's life or property, you hang.  That means a minor fender bender, hang.  Driving eratically while texting is a felony with automatic loss of driving privilages forever, a huge fine and a year in prison.
 
2013-08-10 06:48:53 PM  

Oldiron_79: edmo: And that graphic was carefully controlled to eliminate other things that could skew the results like safety improvements?

Listen, anybody that has seen a person talk and drive at the same time knows it decreases performance. Anybody who thinks they can text and watch the road is going to have an accident.

As someone who drives at work, I can say that people on cell phones are a bigger hazard on the road these days than drunks. Cell phone and driving should carry penalties AT LEAST as stiff as DUI


What work do you drive for that doesn't have you talking on a phone or a radio? What's the difference between someone talking on a cell phone and a cop talking with dispatch on his radio? I've been driving over 40K miles each year for the last 13 years and am frequently on the phone with the office or a client. That's over 500,000 wreck-free miles. I don't need a law to tell me to pay attention to the road while I'm talking. I use a bluetooth earpiece for both talking and texting, and I highly recommend one for anyone who drives so as to remove the encumbrance of holding a phone while driving.
I've seen plenty of careless drivers talking on their phones. I've also seen as many if not more doing other things carelessly like digging in their glove-box, or putting on make-up. You are only distracted by your phone if you let it distract you. I knew a guy that wrecked because he was looking at a zit on his nose in the mirror.
 
2013-08-10 07:02:50 PM  
Anyone who is caught texting while driving should receive a minimum 5 year sentence.

Anyone who is caught twittering or posting on facebook while driving should be shot on sight.

farking loser ass nerds.

/anyone who does the twitter or facebook shiat should die anyway.
 
2013-08-10 07:05:36 PM  
And cell phones are perfectly safe to use on an airplane, too. You think of any of the government types or their apologizers will admit it or change it if admitted?  The state cannot be wrong, ever - first commandment of government worship.
 
2013-08-10 07:10:48 PM  
who paid them for the study cell phone folks??
they just did not up and do it
other countries have found that is does cause accidents

HOW ABOUT A NUMBER FROM POLICE ON ACCIDENTS CAUSED BY CELL USE???
 
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