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(Time)   In news that anyone with an IQ higher than Jenny McCarthy's should love to hear, researchers announce that a new vaccine appears to offer total protection from malaria, which kills about 600,000 people annually   (healthland.time.com ) divider line
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2013-08-10 09:45:59 AM  
5 votes:

foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.


People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation. Other than a few wackos like the Quiverfull movement in the US, most people don't want to add a huge number of people to the planet. They do so because they feel they have to in order to ensure their own survival.
2013-08-10 10:02:35 AM  
4 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


I'm sure wiping out all mosquitoes would have no ecological consequences whatsoever and would be totally doable.
2013-08-10 09:21:31 AM  
4 votes:
Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.
2013-08-10 10:37:32 AM  
3 votes:
Bill Maher is as dumb as Jenny McCarthy in this regard. He is also an executive of PETA which makes him borderline retarded.
2013-08-10 09:44:33 AM  
3 votes:
Does it turn people with traumatic brain injuries into homicidal maniacs?  No?  Please proceed.
2013-08-10 09:26:40 AM  
3 votes:
There's a Vsauce video that credits malaria with half of the fatalities across human history. We've been fighting those little bastard parasites since before we came out of the trees. And losing.
2013-08-10 09:16:15 AM  
3 votes:

There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

2013-08-10 01:53:34 PM  
2 votes:
Folks, the main problem with malaria is not the killing part. It's the fever 'n' ague part. Sure, we save people from dying, overpopulation, yadda yadda yadda. The main impact malaria has is that completely lays people out for weeks at a time. If you're a kid, you don't go to school. If you're an adult, you really can't work, even hoeing the family vegetable garden. A malaria vaccine would free up millions of lost man-hours that could be more productively spent making the tropical nation in question a better place.
2013-08-10 12:45:07 PM  
2 votes:
And through the law of unintended consequences, this will probably mean the end of a number of animal species...

Fun fact: most of the wildlife preserves in Asia exist mainly because they're malarial pestholes. For example, for centuries the the only people who lived in the Chitwan region of Nepal / India was a small tribe that evidently had a natural resistance to malaria. It's now one of the last refuges for Bengal tigers, Asian Rhinos and sloth bears. Cheap and effective treatment of malaria has opened up places like that and put pressure on them already. Eliminate malaria and you can kiss them goodbye.

Not that I'm saying the vaccine is a bad thing... I'm just sad about something I suspect will happen because of it.
2013-08-10 12:41:56 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.


WTF?  Treatments for malaria after you catch it already exist, but cost money.  This vaccine is a preventative.  What's your problem?

And big pharama is seldom excited about vaccines.  They aren't as profitable as, say, viagra.
2013-08-10 11:40:46 AM  
2 votes:

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation. Other than a few wackos like the Quiverfull movement in the US, most people don't want to add a huge number of people to the planet. They do so because they feel they have to in order to ensure their own survival.


In India specifically as well as the rest of the world if you want to see a lower birthrate you have to improve the economy lot of women. If women can support themselves economically, then it does not matter what the culture impresses, on average they will marry LATER. As they marry later, the number of offspring dramatically decreases. As that happens in a society, everything improves for everyone.

I did a lot of research on this a few years back. The main charity I support is KIVA ( http://www.kiva.org/start ). I personally microlend to women in specific third world countries who are trying to become economically independent. They then repay the loan (I've only had one loan NOT repaid, and it wasn't because of the woman...it was due to problems in her region which shut down the places she could repay. This lasted more than six months, so the loan went into default. She was encouraged instead of repayment to use the funds to invest in others in her region.

I strongly encourage others to look into it themselves. It was the one way I found that I could make the biggest difference with what little I have to invest. Additionally because KIVA is microlending, when I hit a bad bump, I was able to pull out some of the cash I usually invest to use for my emergency because it was paid back. Then later I just put it back in and relended.

The other charities I support tend to be individual causes, or crisis causes.
2013-08-10 11:37:19 AM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: The parasites are still the same parasites and haven't improved their lot at all.


Yeah, Drug Resistance isn't an evolutionary trait at all.

HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.


So please, tell us how we wipe out every mosquito on the face of the Earth without having disastrous ecological effects.

Glad you're living up to your Farkie as an Anti-vaxxer.
2013-08-10 11:11:22 AM  
2 votes:

way south: The ones who can't afford vaccines.


Generally, these sorts of vaccines are distributed as part of government or NGO programs. The trick is getting it into regions of the world ruled by warlords who will use anything to cement their power.
2013-08-10 11:00:19 AM  
2 votes:
Assuming this isn't one of those breakthroughs that we never year about again: the real problem is getting it to the people who tend to die from things like malaria.
The ones who can't afford vaccines.
2013-08-10 10:13:03 AM  
2 votes:

Aquapope: rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.

What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?


The One where six hundred thousand deaths means that the attention and care of a billion people - whole continents - are dedicated to fighting malaria. Additionally, millions spend periods of time during their lives periodically suffering from malaria. With the Additional non-dead people, the liberation of the time of much of the rest, and the farking that many of those non-sick and non-dead people, I expect that we'll have another billion people.

You know malaria used to be endemic to the American south, right? The reason that the south has boomed in the last generation isn't because of republican policies - it's because THEY STOPPED GETTING MALARIA AND HOOKWORM, leading to the massive move south by Northeastern companies who found that the labor pool was suddenly much healthier.

So yeah, the world I live in is the real world.
2013-08-11 02:05:52 AM  
1 vote:
I contracted malaria when I was 18. It was 6 months before I felt like I was fully over it. If I ever get the chance to choose between contracting malaria and getting hit by a truck, I'm gonna go with the truck.

West Nile fever had me for 5 weeks late last year.

Damned mosquitoes...
2013-08-10 05:14:05 PM  
1 vote:

simplicimus: Re; wiping out mosquitoes.
Have humans ever made one species of insects extinct? Ever?


Actually, yes, we have...unfortunately, they also tend to be either a) attractive and charismatic insects like butterflies that end up extinct (largely due to habitat loss) or b) insects that were parasites on other animals we drove into extinction. :P

Probably one of the most dramatic examples of an insect we literally drove to extinction via habitat destruction was the North American Locust (the only true locust in North America--or more properly, the only grasshopper species in North America that had a locust life-stage).  In thirty years, the species went from huge swarms that would literally make the Biblical swarms seem puny in comparison (as in "the swarms were probably the largest collections of animals in sheer numbers that have existed in any era"--at least one documented swarm in the early 1870s was speculated to have had 12.5 trillion, with a farking T, members and was larger than the size of California) to completely and utterly extinct by 1902 (when the last known specimen was collected in southern Canada); the reason we no longer have swarms of these critters so large as to terrify gods is...well...we pretty much plowed and irrigated the Great Plains under for a shiatload of wheat and corn, which tended to destroy their egg cases that they'd lay in the ground (they were heavily adapted for living in the Great Plains complete with its usual drought cycles--and thrived best in areas with less than 25 inches of rain yearly; the plowing and especially the irrigation permafarked their entire reproductive cycle).

So yes, insect extinctions happen.  Usually they tend to be quite ACCIDENTAL ones, but they do happen.

(And, note, this is just concerning the insect species we know about and have formally classified...and pretty much every serious entomologist and biologist will gleefully point out that the insect species we know about (much less those that have been formally classified to the point they have actual scientific names) are dwarfed in number by unclassified, unknown-at-present-to-science species.  And it's not just in tropical rainforests that there are a number of unclassified insects--they're actually finding new species of insects every year in the likes of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which is only the most visited park in North America by humans.  One of the legit concerns of scientists is that we are actually losing thousands of insect species before they can even be documented or classified scientifically; insects (and arthropods in general) are not exactly sexy re "FINDING NEW SPECIES" in comparison to finding a new species of monkey or bird, and have gotten very little study (again, outside of charismatic species like butterflies) versus charismatic chordates.)

Now, in regards to deliberate extinctions of insects...we haven't done that YET, but we HAVE had success extirpating insects from entire continents before.  (The New World screwworm was extirpated from North America as well as a massive accidental introduction in Africa via the famous "screwfly solution"--sterile insect introduction that can be summed up as "Raise screwworms, find the male pupae and nuke them so that they aren't dead but to the point that their swimmers are about as viable as Rick Santorum's future porn career, and release these en masse in areas with screwworm infestations and watch the problem go away in a generation or two".  And the "screwfly solution" tends to work pretty quick--the program started in 1959, screwworms were eradicated from the US by 1966; the program started in Mexico in 1972 and screwworms were extinct in the wild in Mexico by 1991; the African accidental introduction was done in 1989, caused an epidemic of screwworm infestation by 1991, and was extirpated within months of an industrial-scale implementation of the "screwfly solution" thanks to the Nuked Screwworm Plant in Mexico that provides the nuked pupae for screwworm eradication efforts.)  We've actually used the "screwfly solution" with other insects accidentally introduced, as well--particularly Medfly infestations in California.

And they do have trials ongoing of the "screwfly solution" in Anopheles mosquitos (one of the major malaria vectors) as well as tsetse flies (why yes, most of the successes we've had with "screwfly solution" eradication ARE with flies--and fortunately, mosquitos ARE a type of fly).
2013-08-10 02:15:57 PM  
1 vote:

T.rex: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

And assholes who will be 100% blindly support of it, without taking into account anything else.



And many of us know a good deal about it, and have followed the story since it first started. Did you know that originally for this vaccine to work, due to its unique nature, required over 1000 treated and irradiated Mosquitos bites over a period of time. It's now at the stage that it can be administered via an IV over a few treatments.
2013-08-10 02:08:11 PM  
1 vote:

Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.


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Louder sonnny. I can'ts here's ya....
2013-08-10 01:57:57 PM  
1 vote:
Great, now we're going to have 600,000 more liters clogging up these threads.
2013-08-10 01:10:33 PM  
1 vote:
Re; wiping out mosquitoes.
Have humans ever made one species of insects extinct? Ever?
2013-08-10 01:10:31 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: J. Frank Parnell: The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?

I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.

Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.


Looking at his profile, he's also a UFO conspiracy nut, so probably both.
2013-08-10 01:10:27 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: J. Frank Parnell: The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?

I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.

Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.


He's both.
2013-08-10 01:09:42 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: Yes, so you can't treat it as one by using a vaccine.
Keeping people from getting an illness without eradicating the cause is a huge profit opportunity.


If big pharma really cared about  PEOPLE and not PROFIT they would develop a cure for stagnant  water, amirite?
2013-08-10 01:06:52 PM  
1 vote:

J. Frank Parnell: The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?

I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.


Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.
2013-08-10 01:05:30 PM  
1 vote:

rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.


You have a job that a billion other people can do?  Have you ever thought of developing a skill, or are you just emotionally attached to that fry daddy?
2013-08-10 12:45:43 PM  
1 vote:

Nemo's Brother: Bill Maher is as dumb as Jenny McCarthy in this regard. He is also an executive of PETA which makes him borderline retarded.


Oh lord, another one escaped from the Politics tab.  Sorry guys, I've been trying to hold them back, but sometimes they slip through.

/yes, Maher is a farking twit a lot of the time
//now go finish your cookie
2013-08-10 12:35:40 PM  
1 vote:
If true, this is a big farking deal.
2013-08-10 12:35:26 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


Yeah! Why are those pharmaceutical companies not fighting the existence of mosquitoes and poor water deposits, but are formulating a cure to a disease that happens as a result instead? CONSPIRACY.
2013-08-10 12:32:32 PM  
1 vote:
Great.  Hopefully it will be as successful as the polio vaccine the U.S distributes for free, but African Muslims refuse for their kids because they think it's a plot to spread AIDS.
2013-08-10 12:23:54 PM  
1 vote:

give me doughnuts: This just in: MALARIA IS NOT CAUSED BY A VIRUS


Next you'll be trying to tell us whooping cough isn't.

Take your anti-science crusade somewhere else.
2013-08-10 12:16:12 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


This just in: MALARIA IS NOT CAUSED BY A VIRUS
xcv
2013-08-10 11:38:34 AM  
1 vote:

rubi_con_man: You know malaria used to be endemic to the American south, right? The reason that the south has boomed in the last generation isn't because of republican policies - it's because THEY STOPPED GETTING MALARIA AND HOOKWORM, leading to the massive move south by Northeastern companies who found that the labor pool was suddenly much healthier.

So yeah, the world I live in is the real world.


What's it like to live in a world that never heard of air conditioning?
xcv
2013-08-10 11:35:42 AM  
1 vote:

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood

because they hate condoms and prefer dry sex, believe women best serve god/the clan/tribe/family as uneducated baby making machines, and think birth control is part of a Western plot to sterilize them.
2013-08-10 10:36:47 AM  
1 vote:

Great_Milenko: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

Don't forget the pro DDT crowd.



Oh yeah, maybe we should just head that nonsense off at the pass today.
2013-08-10 10:28:49 AM  
1 vote:

Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.


Don't forget the pro DDT crowd.
2013-08-10 10:26:49 AM  
1 vote:
the way you worded that the vaccine kills 600,000 a year. Nice Comma usage.
2013-08-10 10:16:49 AM  
1 vote:

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation.


It takes generations to convince them to want smaller families.  Women are easier to convince, but men from large families sure love to up the ante on how many children they can make.
2013-08-10 09:52:55 AM  
1 vote:
I suggest this thread get included on the Main Page as it's just too cool to bury on the Geek Page, IMHO.
2013-08-10 09:45:17 AM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.


A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?
2013-08-10 09:42:02 AM  
1 vote:
Well, you have to admit that Jenny McCarthy's kid being stupid is an inexplicably extraordinary event, and requires an extraordinary explanation. I mean, how can such a thing have come to be?
2013-08-10 09:41:07 AM  
1 vote:
More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.
2013-08-10 09:39:12 AM  
1 vote:

rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.


What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?
2013-08-10 09:34:42 AM  
1 vote:

thisispete: There's a Vsauce video that credits malaria with half of the fatalities across human history. We've been fighting those little bastard parasites since before we came out of the trees. And losing.


I don't know what criteria you're using, because it sure doesn't feel like we're losing.
2013-08-10 09:22:40 AM  
1 vote:
I'll just stick with this gin and tonic. *sip*
 
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