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(Time)   In news that anyone with an IQ higher than Jenny McCarthy's should love to hear, researchers announce that a new vaccine appears to offer total protection from malaria, which kills about 600,000 people annually   (healthland.time.com ) divider line 109
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2013-08-10 08:05:40 AM  
But I can prove that vaccines cause global warming...
 
2013-08-10 09:16:15 AM  

There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

 
2013-08-10 09:21:31 AM  
Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.
 
2013-08-10 09:21:57 AM  
I hear malaria vaccines caused human slavery in Africa.
 
2013-08-10 09:22:35 AM  
I didn't need a malaria shot growing up and I did just fine. Why the hell should we give these shots to them? It'll just make them self entitled lazy brats.
 
2013-08-10 09:22:40 AM  
I'll just stick with this gin and tonic. *sip*
 
2013-08-10 09:26:40 AM  
There's a Vsauce video that credits malaria with half of the fatalities across human history. We've been fighting those little bastard parasites since before we came out of the trees. And losing.
 
2013-08-10 09:31:38 AM  

Sybarite: I'll just stick with this gin and tonic. *sip*


You da man! 9:30am
 
2013-08-10 09:34:42 AM  

thisispete: There's a Vsauce video that credits malaria with half of the fatalities across human history. We've been fighting those little bastard parasites since before we came out of the trees. And losing.


I don't know what criteria you're using, because it sure doesn't feel like we're losing.
 
2013-08-10 09:36:18 AM  
Third World problem?
 
2013-08-10 09:36:57 AM  
600k poor people, in *other* countries.

That's like the equivalent of 60 poor Americans or 1 cute middle class child.
 
2013-08-10 09:37:16 AM  
Because India doesn't have enough people.
 
2013-08-10 09:39:12 AM  

rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.


What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?
 
2013-08-10 09:41:07 AM  
More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.
 
2013-08-10 09:42:02 AM  
Well, you have to admit that Jenny McCarthy's kid being stupid is an inexplicably extraordinary event, and requires an extraordinary explanation. I mean, how can such a thing have come to be?
 
2013-08-10 09:42:46 AM  
This is obviously a conspiracy by Big Pharma to enslave everyone with their vaccines by giving them autism
 
2013-08-10 09:44:33 AM  
Does it turn people with traumatic brain injuries into homicidal maniacs?  No?  Please proceed.
 
2013-08-10 09:45:17 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.


A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?
 
2013-08-10 09:45:59 AM  

foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.


People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation. Other than a few wackos like the Quiverfull movement in the US, most people don't want to add a huge number of people to the planet. They do so because they feel they have to in order to ensure their own survival.
 
2013-08-10 09:46:58 AM  

Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?


Tread softly on that bridge, my friend.
 
2013-08-10 09:50:10 AM  

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation. Other than a few wackos like the Quiverfull movement in the US, most people don't want to add a huge number of people to the planet. They do so because they feel they have to in order to ensure their own survival.


You've never been to India.
 
2013-08-10 09:50:14 AM  

Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?


Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.
 
2013-08-10 09:50:38 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: 600k poor people, in *other* countries.

That's like the equivalent of 60 poor Americans or 1 cute middle class child.


Or a white blonde teenage girl haz a sad.
 
2013-08-10 09:52:55 AM  
I suggest this thread get included on the Main Page as it's just too cool to bury on the Geek Page, IMHO.
 
2013-08-10 10:02:35 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


I'm sure wiping out all mosquitoes would have no ecological consequences whatsoever and would be totally doable.
 
2013-08-10 10:09:54 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.


Some places have eliminated Malaria entirely just by using different irrigation techniques that don't encourage mosquito growth. In fact Malaria rates have been steadily dropping for decades now due to things like that and people building up natural herd immunity. The mortality rates subby is presenting as fact are from the WHO site, which they say themselves is a very rough estimate with an enormous uncertainty range.
 
2013-08-10 10:13:03 AM  

Aquapope: rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.

What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?


The One where six hundred thousand deaths means that the attention and care of a billion people - whole continents - are dedicated to fighting malaria. Additionally, millions spend periods of time during their lives periodically suffering from malaria. With the Additional non-dead people, the liberation of the time of much of the rest, and the farking that many of those non-sick and non-dead people, I expect that we'll have another billion people.

You know malaria used to be endemic to the American south, right? The reason that the south has boomed in the last generation isn't because of republican policies - it's because THEY STOPPED GETTING MALARIA AND HOOKWORM, leading to the massive move south by Northeastern companies who found that the labor pool was suddenly much healthier.

So yeah, the world I live in is the real world.
 
2013-08-10 10:14:41 AM  
I got a malaria on my pinky toe once, it wasn't pleasant.  I guess I'm immune now.  Most people get it when they're kids, and then they never get it again for the rest of their lives, but when I was growing up we were too poor to afford horse riding lessons, so I didn't get exposed until I was about 28 1/2 years old.  Now my favorite kind of cheese smells like soiled underwear.
 
2013-08-10 10:16:49 AM  

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation.


It takes generations to convince them to want smaller families.  Women are easier to convince, but men from large families sure love to up the ante on how many children they can make.
 
2013-08-10 10:26:49 AM  
the way you worded that the vaccine kills 600,000 a year. Nice Comma usage.
 
2013-08-10 10:28:49 AM  

Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.


Don't forget the pro DDT crowd.
 
2013-08-10 10:33:35 AM  
Well, now that malaria's cured, I guess those poor people will need Google's Internet balloons after all, Mr. Bill Gates!
 
2013-08-10 10:33:45 AM  

Great_Milenko: Don't forget the pro DDT crowd.


It makes it much easier to crack the eggs for your eagle omelet in the morning, I'm not seeing the downside.
 
2013-08-10 10:36:47 AM  

Great_Milenko: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

Don't forget the pro DDT crowd.



Oh yeah, maybe we should just head that nonsense off at the pass today.
 
2013-08-10 10:37:32 AM  
Bill Maher is as dumb as Jenny McCarthy in this regard. He is also an executive of PETA which makes him borderline retarded.
 
2013-08-10 11:00:19 AM  
Assuming this isn't one of those breakthroughs that we never year about again: the real problem is getting it to the people who tend to die from things like malaria.
The ones who can't afford vaccines.
 
2013-08-10 11:11:22 AM  

way south: The ones who can't afford vaccines.


Generally, these sorts of vaccines are distributed as part of government or NGO programs. The trick is getting it into regions of the world ruled by warlords who will use anything to cement their power.
 
2013-08-10 11:28:52 AM  
Sickle cell anemia is also a good defense against malaria. If they can not get the vaccine they might want to try it out.
 
xcv
2013-08-10 11:35:42 AM  

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood

because they hate condoms and prefer dry sex, believe women best serve god/the clan/tribe/family as uneducated baby making machines, and think birth control is part of a Western plot to sterilize them.
 
2013-08-10 11:37:19 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The parasites are still the same parasites and haven't improved their lot at all.


Yeah, Drug Resistance isn't an evolutionary trait at all.

HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.


So please, tell us how we wipe out every mosquito on the face of the Earth without having disastrous ecological effects.

Glad you're living up to your Farkie as an Anti-vaxxer.
 
xcv
2013-08-10 11:38:34 AM  

rubi_con_man: You know malaria used to be endemic to the American south, right? The reason that the south has boomed in the last generation isn't because of republican policies - it's because THEY STOPPED GETTING MALARIA AND HOOKWORM, leading to the massive move south by Northeastern companies who found that the labor pool was suddenly much healthier.

So yeah, the world I live in is the real world.


What's it like to live in a world that never heard of air conditioning?
 
2013-08-10 11:40:46 AM  

EngineerAU: foo monkey: Because India doesn't have enough people.

People in developing countries have a large number of children to ensure at least a few will survive to adulthood. Reduce the odds of children dying and you get a large decline in birthrates. This has been seen repeatedly and it results in a steady population. It, along with education for women and access to birth control, are easy wins in the battle against overpopulation. Other than a few wackos like the Quiverfull movement in the US, most people don't want to add a huge number of people to the planet. They do so because they feel they have to in order to ensure their own survival.


In India specifically as well as the rest of the world if you want to see a lower birthrate you have to improve the economy lot of women. If women can support themselves economically, then it does not matter what the culture impresses, on average they will marry LATER. As they marry later, the number of offspring dramatically decreases. As that happens in a society, everything improves for everyone.

I did a lot of research on this a few years back. The main charity I support is KIVA ( http://www.kiva.org/start ). I personally microlend to women in specific third world countries who are trying to become economically independent. They then repay the loan (I've only had one loan NOT repaid, and it wasn't because of the woman...it was due to problems in her region which shut down the places she could repay. This lasted more than six months, so the loan went into default. She was encouraged instead of repayment to use the funds to invest in others in her region.

I strongly encourage others to look into it themselves. It was the one way I found that I could make the biggest difference with what little I have to invest. Additionally because KIVA is microlending, when I hit a bad bump, I was able to pull out some of the cash I usually invest to use for my emergency because it was paid back. Then later I just put it back in and relended.

The other charities I support tend to be individual causes, or crisis causes.
 
2013-08-10 12:16:12 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


This just in: MALARIA IS NOT CAUSED BY A VIRUS
 
2013-08-10 12:23:15 PM  
Yes, so you can't treat it as one by using a vaccine.
Keeping people from getting an illness without eradicating the cause is a huge profit opportunity.
 
2013-08-10 12:23:54 PM  

give me doughnuts: This just in: MALARIA IS NOT CAUSED BY A VIRUS


Next you'll be trying to tell us whooping cough isn't.

Take your anti-science crusade somewhere else.
 
2013-08-10 12:29:06 PM  
I always listen to a Playboy Playmate for my medical information.
/no, not really
 
2013-08-10 12:32:32 PM  
Great.  Hopefully it will be as successful as the polio vaccine the U.S distributes for free, but African Muslims refuse for their kids because they think it's a plot to spread AIDS.
 
2013-08-10 12:35:26 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


Yeah! Why are those pharmaceutical companies not fighting the existence of mosquitoes and poor water deposits, but are formulating a cure to a disease that happens as a result instead? CONSPIRACY.
 
2013-08-10 12:35:40 PM  
If true, this is a big farking deal.
 
2013-08-10 12:36:51 PM  

rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.


But the people who have been dying of malaria only take the jobs that Americans don't want...
 
2013-08-10 12:41:56 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.


WTF?  Treatments for malaria after you catch it already exist, but cost money.  This vaccine is a preventative.  What's your problem?

And big pharama is seldom excited about vaccines.  They aren't as profitable as, say, viagra.
 
2013-08-10 12:45:07 PM  
And through the law of unintended consequences, this will probably mean the end of a number of animal species...

Fun fact: most of the wildlife preserves in Asia exist mainly because they're malarial pestholes. For example, for centuries the the only people who lived in the Chitwan region of Nepal / India was a small tribe that evidently had a natural resistance to malaria. It's now one of the last refuges for Bengal tigers, Asian Rhinos and sloth bears. Cheap and effective treatment of malaria has opened up places like that and put pressure on them already. Eliminate malaria and you can kiss them goodbye.

Not that I'm saying the vaccine is a bad thing... I'm just sad about something I suspect will happen because of it.
 
2013-08-10 12:45:43 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Bill Maher is as dumb as Jenny McCarthy in this regard. He is also an executive of PETA which makes him borderline retarded.


Oh lord, another one escaped from the Politics tab.  Sorry guys, I've been trying to hold them back, but sometimes they slip through.

/yes, Maher is a farking twit a lot of the time
//now go finish your cookie
 
2013-08-10 12:59:48 PM  

Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.


YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?



/I can make my messages look really serious too!!!
 
2013-08-10 01:01:07 PM  
Great.  600, 000 more people a year with autism.
 
2013-08-10 01:05:27 PM  
600,000 poor people
 
2013-08-10 01:05:30 PM  

rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.


You have a job that a billion other people can do?  Have you ever thought of developing a skill, or are you just emotionally attached to that fry daddy?
 
2013-08-10 01:05:37 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?


I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.
 
2013-08-10 01:06:52 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?

I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.


Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.
 
2013-08-10 01:08:44 PM  
Yes, 600,000 people in countries that can't afford to feed them for the most part.  Good job.
 
2013-08-10 01:09:42 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Yes, so you can't treat it as one by using a vaccine.
Keeping people from getting an illness without eradicating the cause is a huge profit opportunity.


If big pharma really cared about  PEOPLE and not PROFIT they would develop a cure for stagnant  water, amirite?
 
2013-08-10 01:10:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: J. Frank Parnell: The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?

I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.

Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.


He's both.
 
2013-08-10 01:10:31 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: J. Frank Parnell: The My Little Pony Killer: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

YES, BUT RATHER THAN IGNORE THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENDANGER EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THEM, YEAH?

I think we should go out and get every vaccine someone has ever dreamed up multiple times. That'll show them.

Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.


Looking at his profile, he's also a UFO conspiracy nut, so probably both.
 
2013-08-10 01:10:32 PM  

born_yesterday: Great.  600, 000  600,136 more people a year with autism.



Sorry.
 
2013-08-10 01:10:33 PM  
Re; wiping out mosquitoes.
Have humans ever made one species of insects extinct? Ever?
 
2013-08-10 01:21:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Not sure if anti-vaxxer or just stupid.


Saying there's vaccines you wouldn't take? And i'm the anti-vaxxer?

Problem i'm trying to illustrate is that people who say everything someone calls a vaccine should be taken without question are every bit as stupid as those saying you should take none.

I am neither of those people, but who are you?
 
2013-08-10 01:32:19 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Saying there's vaccines you wouldn't take?


When did I ever say this? You spewed absolute craziness about people taking the same vaccine multiple times. I'm not even going to address the rest of your lunacy.
 
2013-08-10 01:53:34 PM  
Folks, the main problem with malaria is not the killing part. It's the fever 'n' ague part. Sure, we save people from dying, overpopulation, yadda yadda yadda. The main impact malaria has is that completely lays people out for weeks at a time. If you're a kid, you don't go to school. If you're an adult, you really can't work, even hoeing the family vegetable garden. A malaria vaccine would free up millions of lost man-hours that could be more productively spent making the tropical nation in question a better place.
 
2013-08-10 01:57:57 PM  
Great, now we're going to have 600,000 more liters clogging up these threads.
 
2013-08-10 02:08:11 PM  

Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.


farm5.static.flickr.com

Louder sonnny. I can'ts here's ya....
 
2013-08-10 02:09:04 PM  

Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.


And assholes who will be 100% blindly support of it, without taking into account anything else.
 
2013-08-10 02:11:11 PM  

theorellior: Folks, the main problem with malaria is not the killing part. It's the fever 'n' ague part. Sure, we save people from dying, overpopulation, yadda yadda yadda. The main impact malaria has is that completely lays people out for weeks at a time. If you're a kid, you don't go to school. If you're an adult, you really can't work, even hoeing the family vegetable garden. A malaria vaccine would free up millions of lost man-hours that could be more productively spent making the tropical nation in question a better place.


And lower labour costs in those areas means cheaper bananas and rice at Walmart !!
 
2013-08-10 02:15:57 PM  

T.rex: Raharu: There will still be assholes who are against it for a variety of really stupid reasons
ranging from racism, to conspiracy theories about global domination and autism.

And assholes who will be 100% blindly support of it, without taking into account anything else.



And many of us know a good deal about it, and have followed the story since it first started. Did you know that originally for this vaccine to work, due to its unique nature, required over 1000 treated and irradiated Mosquitos bites over a period of time. It's now at the stage that it can be administered via an IV over a few treatments.
 
2013-08-10 02:16:09 PM  
Offer to research a vaccine for autism if Jenny McCarthy shuts the hell up about it.
 
2013-08-10 02:31:13 PM  

thisispete: There's a Vsauce video that credits malaria with half of the fatalities across human history. We've been fighting those little bastard parasites since before we came out of the trees. And losing.


History of medicine and history of imperialism books and courses do too. Malaria is our most important and necessary natural selector. One of the biggest fears that we have is, what will happen if our most important natrual selector is removed? What would that do to our species? To our environments?
 
2013-08-10 02:40:18 PM  
I was in Choco Colombia (It's a region on the Pacific coast of Colombia, lots of jungle) in the 90's for a week.  The school there had a venn diagram where each of the 3 circles was a different strain of malaria.

7 kids in the class were infected with all 3 strains.  Only 2 kids were outside of the venn diagram out of 30+ kids.
 
2013-08-10 02:44:35 PM  
Fark shills keep the anti JM headlines coming regular intervals,
earning their pay
 
2013-08-10 02:50:44 PM  
Bennie Crabtree:

thisispete: There's a Vsauce video that credits malaria with half of the fatalities across human history. We've been fighting those little bastard parasites since before we came out of the trees. And losing.

History of medicine and history of imperialism books and courses do too. Malaria is our most important and necessary natural selector. One of the biggest fears that we have is, what will happen if our most important natrual selector is removed? What would that do to our species? To our environments?


Except it hasn't been a significant selector since around the end of WWII... Between DDT, sanitation awareness and cheap treatments it only kills ~600k per year. So... Several human generations so far.
 
2013-08-10 02:52:54 PM  
EliminateNinniesAndTwits:

Fark shills keep the anti JM headlines coming regular intervals,
earning their pay


Devolution's finest product, ladies and gentlemen... Let's give him a big round of applause.
 
2013-08-10 03:04:31 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Bill Maher is as dumb as Jenny McCarthy in this regard. He is also an executive of PETA which makes him borderline retarded.


He also is a germ theory denialist. When my atheist friends quote him on Facebook, it makes me laugh pretty hard
 
2013-08-10 03:24:26 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


I can hand you a fly swatter and you can start killing all the mosquitoes. If you start now, you may be able to kill off enough to make a difference in a couple of hundred years.
 
2013-08-10 03:25:07 PM  

Aquapope: rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.

What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?


a world where a black person is worth 3/5's of a white person, so you multiply by the reciprocal to get the conversion:

600,000 * (5/3) = 1,000,000
 
2013-08-10 03:38:38 PM  

Hyjamon: Aquapope: rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.

What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?

a world where a black person is worth 3/5's of a white person, so you multiply by the reciprocal to get the conversion:

600,000 * (5/3) = 1,000,000


So he's a time-traveler?
 
2013-08-10 03:47:09 PM  

give me doughnuts: Hyjamon: Aquapope: rubi_con_man: Awesome. I look forward to competing with another billion people a year for work.

What kind of work do you do where 600,000 equals 1,000,000,000?

a world where a black person is worth 3/5's of a white person, so you multiply by the reciprocal to get the conversion:

600,000 * (5/3) = 1,000,000

So he's a time-traveler?


I imagine Obama isn't using his time-machine while on vacation, so this guy must have been able to borrow it.
 
2013-08-10 04:02:04 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


You know that part of the life cycle of malaria is within an infected human host, right?  So vaccinating people would be taking care of the vector.

Kind of like smallpox, which seems to not exist anymore.
 
2013-08-10 04:22:31 PM  
At first I was like:

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But then I read the Fark comments and I was all:

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/Yes, sometimes I speak in memes
//No, I'm not proud.
 
2013-08-10 04:30:30 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: When did I ever say this? You spewed absolute craziness about people taking the same vaccine multiple times. I'm not even going to address the rest of your lunacy.


Thought you meant it would be stupid to take so many. Should have known i was reading too deeply into shallow waters. You just wanted to call me names, and boy, i don't think i've been this hurt since elementary school. You probably hear this alot, but you've got a really cutting wit.

Taking the same vaccines multiple times would be a good way to show just how harmless they are. Think of it as a way you can help those stupid people who dare to question vaccines. Although we already get 49 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6, and 69 doses of 16 vaccines by 18, so you'd be hard pressed to top that.

I look forward to a future where people fight for a newborn to get 10 thousand vaccines without even knowing what the vaccines are for and how they might be different from any other vaccine, because to them all vaccines are the same and none can be questioned. As if driven by some mysterious supernatural power, every vaccine ever has been equally perfect, with not even a slight deviation. In vaccines we have perhaps finally found the fabled Prima Materia Alchemists hunted for centuries. The incorruptible matter. Those of low breeding cannot possibly understand.

We must enforce science as a matter of faith, and viciously insult anyone who questions or doubts things. Questioning and doubting has always been anathema to science. Now go, noble crusaders. Smite those who would dare to question a single vaccine. In the name of god, er, science.
 
2013-08-10 04:34:55 PM  
As a person who will fill two malarone prescriptions this year for travel to the subcontinent and SE Asia, I welcome the news.
 
2013-08-10 04:45:30 PM  

legion_of_doo: I hear malaria vaccines caused human slavery in Africa.


My mom says there's a lot of black people in Africa.
 
2013-08-10 05:00:42 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: /Yes, sometimes I speak in memes


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Ego edo infantia cattus, with LOLCATS and cheezburgers
 
2013-08-10 05:14:05 PM  

simplicimus: Re; wiping out mosquitoes.
Have humans ever made one species of insects extinct? Ever?


Actually, yes, we have...unfortunately, they also tend to be either a) attractive and charismatic insects like butterflies that end up extinct (largely due to habitat loss) or b) insects that were parasites on other animals we drove into extinction. :P

Probably one of the most dramatic examples of an insect we literally drove to extinction via habitat destruction was the North American Locust (the only true locust in North America--or more properly, the only grasshopper species in North America that had a locust life-stage).  In thirty years, the species went from huge swarms that would literally make the Biblical swarms seem puny in comparison (as in "the swarms were probably the largest collections of animals in sheer numbers that have existed in any era"--at least one documented swarm in the early 1870s was speculated to have had 12.5 trillion, with a farking T, members and was larger than the size of California) to completely and utterly extinct by 1902 (when the last known specimen was collected in southern Canada); the reason we no longer have swarms of these critters so large as to terrify gods is...well...we pretty much plowed and irrigated the Great Plains under for a shiatload of wheat and corn, which tended to destroy their egg cases that they'd lay in the ground (they were heavily adapted for living in the Great Plains complete with its usual drought cycles--and thrived best in areas with less than 25 inches of rain yearly; the plowing and especially the irrigation permafarked their entire reproductive cycle).

So yes, insect extinctions happen.  Usually they tend to be quite ACCIDENTAL ones, but they do happen.

(And, note, this is just concerning the insect species we know about and have formally classified...and pretty much every serious entomologist and biologist will gleefully point out that the insect species we know about (much less those that have been formally classified to the point they have actual scientific names) are dwarfed in number by unclassified, unknown-at-present-to-science species.  And it's not just in tropical rainforests that there are a number of unclassified insects--they're actually finding new species of insects every year in the likes of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which is only the most visited park in North America by humans.  One of the legit concerns of scientists is that we are actually losing thousands of insect species before they can even be documented or classified scientifically; insects (and arthropods in general) are not exactly sexy re "FINDING NEW SPECIES" in comparison to finding a new species of monkey or bird, and have gotten very little study (again, outside of charismatic species like butterflies) versus charismatic chordates.)

Now, in regards to deliberate extinctions of insects...we haven't done that YET, but we HAVE had success extirpating insects from entire continents before.  (The New World screwworm was extirpated from North America as well as a massive accidental introduction in Africa via the famous "screwfly solution"--sterile insect introduction that can be summed up as "Raise screwworms, find the male pupae and nuke them so that they aren't dead but to the point that their swimmers are about as viable as Rick Santorum's future porn career, and release these en masse in areas with screwworm infestations and watch the problem go away in a generation or two".  And the "screwfly solution" tends to work pretty quick--the program started in 1959, screwworms were eradicated from the US by 1966; the program started in Mexico in 1972 and screwworms were extinct in the wild in Mexico by 1991; the African accidental introduction was done in 1989, caused an epidemic of screwworm infestation by 1991, and was extirpated within months of an industrial-scale implementation of the "screwfly solution" thanks to the Nuked Screwworm Plant in Mexico that provides the nuked pupae for screwworm eradication efforts.)  We've actually used the "screwfly solution" with other insects accidentally introduced, as well--particularly Medfly infestations in California.

And they do have trials ongoing of the "screwfly solution" in Anopheles mosquitos (one of the major malaria vectors) as well as tsetse flies (why yes, most of the successes we've had with "screwfly solution" eradication ARE with flies--and fortunately, mosquitos ARE a type of fly).
 
2013-08-10 05:36:10 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.
Which will cost money, I'd bet.
Step 3: PROFIT.


What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Welcome to the ignore list, tard.
 
2013-08-10 05:48:06 PM  
Great Porn Dragon: Very interesting response. Thanks.
Here in Texas (and other states, I imagine), we spray every summer to curtail mosquito borne West Nile Virus. While I yearn for the extinction of all mosquitos, I wonder what the effect on other species would be. Bats and Dragonflies come to mind, but there may be others.
 
2013-08-10 06:22:37 PM  
So this means more Africans will live long enough to die from starvation? Not trying to be mean, but that place is unsustainably overpopulated.
 
2013-08-10 07:45:29 PM  

simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: Very interesting response. Thanks.
Here in Texas (and other states, I imagine), we spray every summer to curtail mosquito borne West Nile Virus. While I yearn for the extinction of all mosquitos, I wonder what the effect on other species would be. Bats and Dragonflies come to mind, but there may be others.


Honestly, that would be my worry with mosquito eradication efforts (as in "screwfly solution" Highly Effective Methods) too--there's such a diversity of wildlife that relies on mosquitos (not just dragonflies and bats, but a fair number of species of fish feed off mosquito maggots in the water) that one would have to be VERY careful to ensure a particular disease vector is restricted to just ONE species of mosquito AND hope that species isn't a keystone species. (There is rather less of an issue with this re screwworms.)

Interestingly, one of the issues they're running into (re the tsetse fly sterilisation) is that there are multiple species of tsetse fly that are vectors for African sleeping sickness, and they pretty much have to do batches for each species--and apparently the different species do tend to be a little problematic to tell apart...we'll see how that goes.  (Again, though, they don't quite have as many things feeding on them as, say, mosquitos do.)

I'd argue going the "malaria vax" route is good for us in two ways, in that it keeps us from getting sick when bitten AND it might just help keep from being bitten as often.  (One of the things that's been discovered re bloodborne illnesses transmitted by insect vectors is that the infections DO make the insects bite more often--either through direct effects or by blocking the intestinal tracts of insects.  Plague, infamously, blocks up the gastrointestinal tracts of human fleas causing them to bite more (and to regurgitate in wounds), Malaria does something similar AND infects salivary glands in mosquitos to boot.)

(And speaking of mosquito-borne illnesses...apparently there's some active work being done on a West Nile Virus vaccine.  Probably has not been the highest priority in past thanks to only a percentage of people who contract it actually getting WNV encephalitis, but now that there's an enzootic in the US with significant bleedover to humans...its close relative Japanese Encephalitis Virus does have a vaccine (and it's actually recommended for a lot of the same areas in Southeast Asia where malaria is resistant to ALL THE DRUGS), they're probably just wanting to make sure it's very safe before using it in humans because of stupid Jenny McCarthy "BABBY GOT AUTISM FROM THE JAB AND MY GERFICT GENES COULDN'T HAVE HAD A DAMN THING TO DO WITH IT" sorts.)

/and yes, before we note--vaccines don't cause autism; evidence points to scrambled eggs and swimmers (or more properly, the genes in eggs and swimmers that have to deal with cellular differentiation) that causes it in most cases, and a few cases where it's caused by--surprise, surprise!--mom contracting a vaccine preventable illness during the first or second trimester of pregnancy
//seeing as we're running out of farking drugs to treat malaria, a vaccine WOULD be nice
 
2013-08-10 09:05:43 PM  

EliminateNinniesAndTwits: Fark shills keep the anti JM headlines coming regular intervals,
earning their pay


Please say you are trolling
 
2013-08-10 09:14:13 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: Very interesting response. Thanks.
Here in Texas (and other states, I imagine), we spray every summer to curtail mosquito borne West Nile Virus. While I yearn for the extinction of all mosquitos, I wonder what the effect on other species would be. Bats and Dragonflies come to mind, but there may be others.

Honestly, that would be my worry with mosquito eradication efforts (as in "screwfly solution" Highly Effective Methods) too--there's such a diversity of wildlife that relies on mosquitos (not just dragonflies and bats, but a fair number of species of fish feed off mosquito maggots in the water) that one would have to be VERY careful to ensure a particular disease vector is restricted to just ONE species of mosquito AND hope that species isn't a keystone species. (There is rather less of an issue with this re screwworms.)


On a different species, I have noticed that the fire ant population here around Houston has been drastically reduced. I don't know of any specific scientific effort involved, but there's been a marked change in the last 5 or 6 years. May be a result of the WNV spraying or something else.
 
2013-08-10 10:40:20 PM  

simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: Very interesting response. Thanks.
Here in Texas (and other states, I imagine), we spray every summer to curtail mosquito borne West Nile Virus. While I yearn for the extinction of all mosquitos, I wonder what the effect on other species would be. Bats and Dragonflies come to mind, but there may be others.

Honestly, that would be my worry with mosquito eradication efforts (as in "screwfly solution" Highly Effective Methods) too--there's such a diversity of wildlife that relies on mosquitos (not just dragonflies and bats, but a fair number of species of fish feed off mosquito maggots in the water) that one would have to be VERY careful to ensure a particular disease vector is restricted to just ONE species of mosquito AND hope that species isn't a keystone species. (There is rather less of an issue with this re screwworms.)

On a different species, I have noticed that the fire ant population here around Houston has been drastically reduced. I don't know of any specific scientific effort involved, but there's been a marked change in the last 5 or 6 years. May be a result of the WNV spraying or something else.


Actually, there HAS been a reduction in fire ant populations in Texas specifically (this is good)...unfortunately, it's specifically because another invasive ant has come in (this is bad)--the tawny crazy ant, native to Argentina and Brazil, which also tends to be rather incredibly invasive in homes and ALSO tends to kill off the native ants...oh, and is also unattracted to the usual avermectin-containing ant baits, trends STRONGLY to multiqueen colonies, and is resistant to pretty much all the usual insecticides used against ants (this is almost "we'd rather have the multiqueen fire ant colonies" bad, seeing as crazy ants have a BAD tendency to get into things people like such as electronics).  And yes, Houston is actually the area where introduced tawny crazy ants were first discovered--not shocking at all that the fire ant populations have crashed, as the crazy ants pretty much have taken over in Houston as the Major Ant Pest Issue.

(In fact, the tawny crazy ant was formerly known colloquially as the Rasberry crazy ant--after the particular exterminator who found homes infested with them in Houston back in 2002.  Most documentation in Texas still has them listed as the Rasberry crazy ant, so most of the info via county extensions and the like would still list that name and not the actual "official" name of tawny crazy ant.  And yes, this is one of those examples of "new species we're finding even in places where people live"--it gained the official name of "tawny crazy ant" when it was found to be a new species of ant...discovered out of the things setting up ant colonies in electrical boxes (yes, really) and killing off the fire ant population.)

And they reason they're called "crazy ants" is that they tend to move around erratically (imagine drunk ants and you get an idea)...otherwise, they're pretty much piss-ants from hell.
 
A7
2013-08-10 10:45:17 PM  
Why is this good news? There's too many farkin' people.
 
2013-08-10 11:14:08 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: And they reason they're called "crazy ants" is that they tend to move around erratically (imagine drunk ants and you get an idea)...otherwise, they're pretty much piss-ants from hell.


Are they as aggressive and painful as fire ants, or just an annoyance?
 
2013-08-11 02:05:52 AM  
I contracted malaria when I was 18. It was 6 months before I felt like I was fully over it. If I ever get the chance to choose between contracting malaria and getting hit by a truck, I'm gonna go with the truck.

West Nile fever had me for 5 weeks late last year.

Damned mosquitoes...
 
2013-08-11 02:17:59 AM  

simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: And they reason they're called "crazy ants" is that they tend to move around erratically (imagine drunk ants and you get an idea)...otherwise, they're pretty much piss-ants from hell.

Are they as aggressive and painful as fire ants, or just an annoyance?


Not as aggressive (as in stinging en masse), but unlike fire ants they DO have a strong tendency to set up shop in houses--and often by the millions (remember, this is a species which tends to engage in massive multi-queen colonies) and quite often in things like computers and electronics boxes.  Oh, and said ants tend to try to kill the electronics boxes and computers (by stinging them to death) when the inevitable ant ends up getting electrocuted...which can, well, lead to pretty much ants short-circuiting the electric box or computer or other electronic equipment they've made a nest in.

Have I mentioned that crazy ants in general are inordinately attracted to electronic equipment? :P  (Yes, I've known someone who had a crazy ant infestation...in their electric shaver, to the point the ants let the farking magic smoke out and almost set their bathroom on fire.)

So...let's see...stingy aggressive ants that primarily stay outside in known mounds, or not-so-aggressive but massively-colonising piss-ants from hell that will happily and preferentially set up shop in your computer and will sting the shiat out of your hand by the millions when the farking things end up letting smoke out of the computer because one of the workers got electrocuted.

Hmmm.  Let me think on that for a while...having worked in a computer shop in past for a Major Computer Motherboard Manufacturer Repair Facility (that pretty much dealt with everything save for Apple and eMachines and Acer kit) where we would occasionally get chassis in with such lovely things as dead mice and colonies of cockroaches (including the occasional palmetto bug--so thankful I was NOT in the part of the factory where they stripped motherboard chassis from the rest of the PC)...I think I'll take the nice, polite ants that DON'T infest computers, thank you. :P
 
2013-08-11 05:37:27 AM  
I've got in-laws galore somewhere  P. falciparum is common, and in the ~6 years between the time I first became friends with my now-wife and the time we got married and she moved over here, she had to be treated for malaria at least once or twice.  And as cheap as doxycycline is, remembering to take it every day and stay out of the sun when visiting her side of the family is inconvenient.  So I guess I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-08-11 07:18:23 AM  

simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: Very interesting response. Thanks.
Here in Texas (and other states, I imagine), we spray every summer to curtail mosquito borne West Nile Virus. While I yearn for the extinction of all mosquitos, I wonder what the effect on other species would be. Bats and Dragonflies come to mind, but there may be others.

Honestly, that would be my worry with mosquito eradication efforts (as in "screwfly solution" Highly Effective Methods) too--there's such a diversity of wildlife that relies on mosquitos (not just dragonflies and bats, but a fair number of species of fish feed off mosquito maggots in the water) that one would have to be VERY careful to ensure a particular disease vector is restricted to just ONE species of mosquito AND hope that species isn't a keystone species. (There is rather less of an issue with this re screwworms.)

On a different species, I have noticed that the fire ant population here around Houston has been drastically reduced. I don't know of any specific scientific effort involved, but there's been a marked change in the last 5 or 6 years. May be a result of the WNV spraying or something else.


Fire Ants have been driven out by another invasive species of ant that out competes them for resources,but I can't remember what species or from where (sorry). There may also have been eradication efforts that helped, but don't know what.
 
2013-08-11 07:21:11 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: simplicimus: Great Porn Dragon: Very interesting response. Thanks.
Here in Texas (and other states, I imagine), we spray every summer to curtail mosquito borne West Nile Virus. While I yearn for the extinction of all mosquitos, I wonder what the effect on other species would be. Bats and Dragonflies come to mind, but there may be others.

Honestly, that would be my worry with mosquito eradication efforts (as in "screwfly solution" Highly Effective Methods) too--there's such a diversity of wildlife that relies on mosquitos (not just dragonflies and bats, but a fair number of species of fish feed off mosquito maggots in the water) that one would have to be VERY careful to ensure a particular disease vector is restricted to just ONE species of mosquito AND hope that species isn't a keystone species. (There is rather less of an issue with this re screwworms.)

On a different species, I have noticed that the fire ant population here around Houston has been drastically reduced. I don't know of any specific scientific effort involved, but there's been a marked change in the last 5 or 6 years. May be a result of the WNV spraying or something else.

Actually, there HAS been a reduction in fire ant populations in Texas specifically (this is good)...unfortunately, it's specifically because another invasive ant has come in (this is bad)--the tawny crazy ant, native to Argentina and Brazil, which also tends to be rather incredibly invasive in homes and ALSO tends to kill off the native ants...oh, and is also unattracted to the usual avermectin-containing ant baits, trends STRONGLY to multiqueen colonies, and is resistant to pretty much all the usual insecticides used against ants (this is almost "we'd rather have the multiqueen fire ant colonies" bad, seeing as crazy ants have a BAD tendency to get into things people like such as electronics).  And yes, Houston is actually the area where introduced tawny crazy ants were first discovered--not shocking at all that the fire ant populations have crashed, as the crazy ants pretty much have taken over in Houston as the Major Ant Pest Issue.

(In fact, the tawny crazy ant was formerly known colloquially as the Rasberry crazy ant--after the particular exterminator who found homes infested with them in Houston back in 2002.  Most documentation in Texas still has them listed as the Rasberry crazy ant, so most of the info via county extensions and the like would still list that name and not the actual "official" name of tawny crazy ant.  And yes, this is one of those examples of "new species we're finding even in places where people live"--it gained the official name of "tawny crazy ant" when it was found to be a new species of ant...discovered out of the things setting up ant colonies in electrical boxes (yes, really) and killing off the fire ant population.)

And they reason they're called "crazy ants" is that they tend to move around erratically (imagine drunk ants and you get an idea)...otherwise, they're pretty much piss-ants from hell.


Yeah...^what he said.
 
2013-08-11 05:28:42 PM  
sinanju:

As a person who will fill two malarone prescriptions this year for travel to the subcontinent and SE Asia, I welcome the news.

If you want a quick $45 in exchange for a small tube of blood, the Red Cross has a malaria study going on.

They won't accept your blood donation for a year, but they have that study going on. Found that out when I went to Nepal.
 
2013-08-11 06:54:57 PM  

flondrix: If true, this is a big farking deal.


This
 
2013-08-11 08:20:42 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aquapope: HotIgneous Intruder: More profitable to treat the disease than its cause, right?
Big Pharma: Always. Always turn a profit at the expense of public health.

A vaccination is treating the cause of a disease.  You knew that, right?

Vectors, how do they work?
Mosquitoes carry the malaria virus. Mosquitoes are the vector.
Letting the vector live is like telling people to stop washing their hands because we can treat their inevitable resultant sickness with a shot.


So you're saying that we should kill all potential vectors of a disease?  And you don't immediately see the logical conclusion of your premise?

You're not very bright, are you?
 
2013-08-11 10:21:17 PM  
Or.... DDT could have controlled the problem so 600k were not lost every year.

Nice to have a vaccine, tho. Great job.
 
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