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2013-08-10 01:14:28 AM

deanayer: I checked out the seller ID (24 items bought/sold) and the ratings were all 100% with tons of "great ebay buyer" feedback from some seller called "fleshlight1" so in general I would say this seller is pretty solid.


free_candy_van.jpg
 
2013-08-10 01:27:31 AM

cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100)


I'm tired out of my mind, babysitting software installs, and you just made me laugh harder than I've laughed all week. Thanks.
 
2013-08-10 01:34:06 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: minimum bid $1,250.00?

$900 used on amazon.com

I suppose someone might consider the historical value


The Security Plus license adds a good $250 to it at least.  Not sure if you'd need 20+ vLANs, let alone the ability to route among them, but there you go.

\Set up a lot of 5505s and 5510s in my day.
\\Mostly deal with Cisco and Fortinet.
\\\Now, if that was a 2960s or a 39xx I'd probably buy it...
 
2013-08-10 01:35:21 AM

Kittypie070: gfid: Mike: /submitter, obviously

Cool - I've got some stuff I'm thinking about selling on ebay.  I wonder if Fark will greenlight a thread for them.

Maybe if I get imaginative enough.

/one Ronson lighter with US Coast Guard emblem.  It's theoretically possible that Marilyn Monroe once used this as a sex toy or the John F. Kennedy lit a joint with it.  It's not likely, but it's possible.

TAKE MY GODDAMNED MONEY


Oh I will.  I've got dozens of lighters, mostly Zippos and Ronsons, but a few no-name brands some of which might even be 100 years old.    Well to be fair, most are from the 1940s and later.  I used to collect them like some people collect baseball cards.  I'm not sure, but I think this US Coast Guard lighter might have come from ebay.  And that's really reaching to say that JFK might have lit a joint with it especially since JFK was in the Navy and not the Coast Guard.  And the only reason to think that Marilyn Monroe might have used it as a sex toy is because it's just old enough to have been around when she was still alive.

But maybe I should make up stories to help sell them anyway.  I've got a Zippo with a Marlboro logo that I'm pretty sure Francis Scott Key used to light his cigarettes as he was composing the Star Spangled Banner.  I'll talk to that Rick guy from Pawn Stars.   I'm pretty sure he has a buddy who knows a lot about lighters.

I know I won't get rich especially since I plan on keeping my most prized lighters.   I like the table lighters made in "Occupied Japan" and I spent $125 for a Zippo once.  WTF was I thinking?  Except for the logo on it, it's exactly the same as a Zippo made yesterday.  Or maybe not - 1955 steel must have been better- and there's always the possibility that a former president used it to light a joint
 
2013-08-10 01:39:06 AM

deanayer: I checked out the seller ID (24 items bought/sold) and the ratings were all 100% with tons of "great ebay buyer" feedback from some seller called "fleshlight1" so in general I would say this seller is pretty solid.


imgs.xkcd.com

You can do this one in every 30 times and still have a 97% positive feedback.
 
2013-08-10 01:41:57 AM

oh_please: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100)

I'm tired out of my mind, babysitting software installs, and you just made me laugh harder than I've laughed all week. Thanks.


Oh... I'm glad I made you laugh and I hope your night goes better.  :)  And... just for you... you can have the butt plug for $80.  :D
 
2013-08-10 01:48:07 AM

cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100)

... $4 washed.
 
2013-08-10 01:50:16 AM

BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.


Exactly.
 
2013-08-10 01:50:56 AM
Installing dual f5's this very moment
 
2013-08-10 02:09:25 AM

OgreMagi: No thank you.  I'm pushing for an F5.


Agreed. Especially for inbound traffic scenarios (i.e. site hosting, etc.).

For "conventional" firewall use cases, I'm partial to Palo Alto or Check Point.

/work for a network-security reseller...
 
2013-08-10 02:21:58 AM
Just make sure you change the ssh private keys on your F5 gear :)
 
2013-08-10 02:25:44 AM
Will it keep a Gibson safe from hacking?

/don't know what this thing is, and didn't read the thread.
//best fark user ever
 
2013-08-10 02:27:14 AM
Ouch. A fark firewall has probably been ridden hard and put away wet.
 
2013-08-10 02:44:09 AM
Hah! fark you! A decade ago I offered Fark a quad xeon when their server crashed, at the price I paid for it!


(shakes tiny fists) I *stilI* have that thing heating up my basement!
 
2013-08-10 02:52:13 AM

eCurmudgeon: OgreMagi: No thank you.  I'm pushing for an F5.

Agreed. Especially for inbound traffic scenarios (i.e. site hosting, etc.).

For "conventional" firewall use cases, I'm partial to Palo Alto or Check Point.

/work for a network-security reseller...


You sound like a firewall noob: Someone that thinks a pretty UI means it's a better firewall.
 
2013-08-10 02:57:43 AM
No deal without

cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2013-08-10 03:04:45 AM

cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.


Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.
 
2013-08-10 03:09:35 AM

oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.


Nope. No washing. If I did, the butt plug loses its value. And let me assure you... once it is sold, the plug goes right from my butt strait to the FedX box.  :)
 
2013-08-10 03:11:17 AM

oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.


Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...
 
2013-08-10 03:14:05 AM

Landis: Vlad_the_Inaner: minimum bid $1,250.00?

$900 used on amazon.com

I suppose someone might consider the historical value

The Security Plus license adds a good $250 to it at least.  Not sure if you'd need 20+ vLANs, let alone the ability to route among them, but there you go.

\Set up a lot of 5505s and 5510s in my day.
\\Mostly deal with Cisco and Fortinet.
\\\Now, if that was a 2960s or a 39xx I'd probably buy it...


The VLANs come in handy if you're:

A) Using VRFs or VRF-Lite on a small network and want your inter-VRF routing to be filtered or done on a firewall instead screwing around with route-leaking across VRFs. If you set up 5 VLANs on your ASA and map each of those VLANs on your switch to an SVI bound to a VRF, you configure OSPF/EIGRP for each address family to connect to your ASA. The ASA has all the route tables from all your VRFs, and thusly can route between them.

B) You are using your ASA in multicontext mode and/or combined with scenario A. You can burn through VLANs really fast with bridge groups for transparent contexts, or if you're adding lots of sub-interfaces to a routed context.

C) You have a single physical DMZ, but want to create logical zones to separate different types of servers and have their inter-zone traffic arbitrated by a stateful firewall.

D) You have no need for any of the above secure separations and you're using it as a router-on-a-stick... In which case you should be dragged into the town square and publicly executed in front of all the villagers to shame your family for not murdering you in your sleep when you first showed signs of retardation, as well as sacrificing you to the gods of good networking so your death may be: a) used as a warning to others to not be stupid, and b) to have the world's networking sins washed away with the blood of a retard.
 
2013-08-10 03:14:57 AM

kruxdeux: Installing dual f5's this very moment


Glad to know we're well-loved. Didn't happen to get 2000s or 4000s did you?
 
2013-08-10 03:15:03 AM

oh_please: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.

Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...


Tired, huh?  You might want to go to pay pal and buy my butt plug before its gone! :O
/jk. :P
 
2013-08-10 03:20:19 AM

cowgirl toffee: oh_please: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.

Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...

Tired, huh?  You might want to go to pay pal and buy my butt plug before its gone! :O
/jk. :P


Wait a minute, are you sure there isn't some way I can email you my bank info? I don't really trust those PayPal folks.
 
2013-08-10 03:28:03 AM

gadian: Ouch. A fark firewall has probably been ridden hard and put away wet.


Ridden wet & put away hard.
 
2013-08-10 03:28:26 AM

oh_please: cowgirl toffee: oh_please: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.

Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...

Tired, huh?  You might want to go to pay pal and buy my butt plug before its gone! :O
/jk. :P

Wait a minute, are you sure there isn't some way I can email you my bank info? I don't really trust those PayPal folks.


Eh... just send a check.
 
2013-08-10 03:31:12 AM
Mike I remember when you were posting individual sticks of RAM and almost no starting bids...

/slowly shuffles in to the lunchroom with his walker.
 
2013-08-10 03:32:39 AM

Cubansaltyballs: You sound like a firewall noob: Someone that thinks a pretty UI means it's a better firewall.


Really? As opposed to...

www.troll.me
 
2013-08-10 03:36:47 AM

eCurmudgeon: Cubansaltyballs: You sound like a firewall noob: Someone that thinks a pretty UI means it's a better firewall.

Really? As opposed to...


As opposed to someone who knows the UI of a firewall or any other piece of technology has f*ck-all to do with how 'good' it is. It's sort of like a kid who doesn't 'really' know what makes something good or bad, so they just default to the shiniest one.
 
2013-08-10 03:40:33 AM
Not a bad deal for the ASA with the SSM card and SEC+ license. Worked on all flavors of firewalls for the last 10 years and Cisco and Juniper are definitely leading the field in the enterprise devices. SRX is juniper's saving grace because the netscreens are ok at best.  Checkpoint's UTM firewalls are JUNK and the Gaia bootloader is horrendous.

Cisco>Juniper>Checkpoint....Anything else is non enterprise crap that is only good for basic functions like NAT and Access-lists.

Just curious, Are you sticking with Cisco or moving on to SRX ?

/senior security engineer
 
2013-08-10 03:42:51 AM

cowgirl toffee: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: oh_please: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.

Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...

Tired, huh?  You might want to go to pay pal and buy my butt plug before its gone! :O
/jk. :P

Wait a minute, are you sure there isn't some way I can email you my bank info? I don't really trust those PayPal folks.

Eh... just send a check.


Woah, woah, woah...You were promising a butt plug straight from your butt to a FedEx box. If I send a check, that's going to take a day or two to get to you, then take another day or so to clear. I'm doubting that you would actually hold a butt plug that long. Deal's off.
 
2013-08-10 03:45:18 AM
Does it have any of Drew's skin cells or hair, preferably with intact follicles or other viable DNA samples?  I promise I will only clone him once.
 
2013-08-10 03:45:29 AM
Cubansaltyballs As opposed to someone who knows the UI of a firewall or any other piece of technology has f*ck-all to do with how 'good' it is. It's sort of like a kid who doesn't 'really' know what makes something good or bad, so they just default to the shiniest one.

Than talk to it using the CLI, I don't care.

Personally, the only thing I use the web interface for is reporting and analytics more than configuration in any case...
 
2013-08-10 03:45:58 AM

oh_please: cowgirl toffee: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: oh_please: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.

Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...

Tired, huh?  You might want to go to pay pal and buy my butt plug before its gone! :O
/jk. :P

Wait a minute, are you sure there isn't some way I can email you my bank info? I don't really trust those PayPal folks.

Eh... just send a check.

Woah, woah, woah...You were promising a butt plug straight from your butt to a FedEx box. If I send a check, that's going to take a day or two to get to you, then take another day or so to clear. I'm doubting that you would actually hold a butt plug that long. Deal's off.


I'm telling ya... you have a good deal... and it is firmly secured. :P
 
2013-08-10 03:53:34 AM

cowgirl toffee: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: oh_please: oh_please: cowgirl toffee: BuckTurgidson: cowgirl toffee: Oh... speaking of such... I have a used butt plug for sale if anyone wants it.  ($100) ... $4 washed.

Exactly.

Well, hell, if you're gonna wash it, deal's off. You just lost yourself 80 bucks.

Derp, that was the joke...I told you I was tired...

Tired, huh?  You might want to go to pay pal and buy my butt plug before its gone! :O
/jk. :P

Wait a minute, are you sure there isn't some way I can email you my bank info? I don't really trust those PayPal folks.

Eh... just send a check.

Woah, woah, woah...You were promising a butt plug straight from your butt to a FedEx box. If I send a check, that's going to take a day or two to get to you, then take another day or so to clear. I'm doubting that you would actually hold a butt plug that long. Deal's off.

I'm telling ya... you have a good deal... and it is firmly secured. :P


OK, you win, just because the people I'm working with are starting to wonder what I'm giggling about, and it's probably not a good idea to show them this thread. Two thumbs up and a butt plug for you!
 
2013-08-10 03:56:05 AM

eCurmudgeon: Cubansaltyballs As opposed to someone who knows the UI of a firewall or any other piece of technology has f*ck-all to do with how 'good' it is. It's sort of like a kid who doesn't 'really' know what makes something good or bad, so they just default to the shiniest one.

Than talk to it using the CLI, I don't care.

Personally, the only thing I use the web interface for is reporting and analytics more than configuration in any case...


Which is the point... PANs and checkpoint are just not very good firewalls. Whenever you see them in use, it's a clear sign someone didn't know sh*t about firewalls and bought the one with the shiny UI.

No serious enterprise with serious and experienced engineers uses PAN for anything that matters, like perimeter defense. They usually use it to monitor traffic, so when one of its processes explodes (and it will, fairly regularly), systems won't go offline. Or, they might use it to segment an internal zone, like a lab from staging, etc.

Seriously, seeing a PAN or Checkpoint is like seeing a grown man playing tee-ball and looking proud that he hit the ball... It's just sad. Also, no real engineer will have any modicum of respect for you. In short, buy a real f*cking firewall and stay away from the kid stuff.
 
2013-08-10 04:01:37 AM

Cubansaltyballs: Which is the point... PANs and checkpoint are just not very good firewalls. Whenever you see them in use, it's a clear sign someone didn't know sh*t about firewalls and bought the one with the shiny UI.

No serious enterprise with serious and experienced engineers uses PAN for anything that matters, like perimeter defense. They usually use it to monitor traffic, so when one of its processes explodes (and it will, fairly regularly), systems won't go offline. Or, they might use it to segment an internal zone, like a lab from staging, etc.

Seriously, seeing a PAN or Checkpoint is like seeing a grown man playing tee-ball and looking proud that he hit the ball... It's just sad. Also, no real engineer will have any modicum of respect for you. In short, buy a real f*cking firewall and stay away from the kid stuff.


And now you've piqued my curiosity. "[S]erious and experienced engineers" run what? Cisco? Juniper? F5? A10? Custom Linux/BSD networking code?

/not trying to start a fight - suspect we're talking about completely different use cases...
 
2013-08-10 04:12:52 AM

eCurmudgeon: Cubansaltyballs: Which is the point... PANs and checkpoint are just not very good firewalls. Whenever you see them in use, it's a clear sign someone didn't know sh*t about firewalls and bought the one with the shiny UI.

No serious enterprise with serious and experienced engineers uses PAN for anything that matters, like perimeter defense. They usually use it to monitor traffic, so when one of its processes explodes (and it will, fairly regularly), systems won't go offline. Or, they might use it to segment an internal zone, like a lab from staging, etc.

Seriously, seeing a PAN or Checkpoint is like seeing a grown man playing tee-ball and looking proud that he hit the ball... It's just sad. Also, no real engineer will have any modicum of respect for you. In short, buy a real f*cking firewall and stay away from the kid stuff.

And now you've piqued my curiosity. "[S]erious and experienced engineers" run what? Cisco? Juniper? F5? A10? Custom Linux/BSD networking code?

/not trying to start a fight - suspect we're talking about completely different use cases...


The run ASAs and SRXs to do your basic port-filtering/NAT.

When you get into app inspection, usually a separate L7 device like a Big IP ASM or Akamai Kona. Some of that stuff can be done on an SRX, but it really hammers the performance at high speeds. The ASA will do it, but it's clunky and limited in functionality.
 
2013-08-10 04:13:00 AM
True shops run Cisco and Juniper and the engineers have never seen the GUI
 
2013-08-10 04:21:44 AM
Cisco ASA? No thanks. Now when they roll out -- and hopefully don't trample -- the Sourcefire IPS/IDS technology in that box, I'll toss some money down.
 
2013-08-10 04:32:41 AM

Cubansaltyballs: The run ASAs and SRXs to do your basic port-filtering/NAT.

When you get into app inspection, usually a separate L7 device like a Big IP ASM or Akamai Kona. Some of that stuff can be done on an SRX, but it really hammers the performance at high speeds. The ASA will do it, but it's clunky and limited in functionality.


OK... Now we're getting somewhere.

For Internet to DMZ traffic (i.e. external-facing web sites, services, etc.) I'll concur with BIG-IP ASM. For internal to outbound traffic, especially in enterprise environments, it gets a bit more complex. Most of the traffic is going to be TCP/80 and TCP/443, which means having at least some degree of layer-7 inspection is desirable. Also, the ability to integrate with Active Directory and have user-based policies is often important as well. (A lot of customers ask about DLP, and while PAN's "Content-ID" features are, well, OK, I would not recommend them as any sort of replacement for a real DLP solution).

So, it gets into the camps of separate devices for packet filtering/NAT vs. L7 versus having unified Palo Alto or later-generation Check Point enterprise devices. I've seen different places use both approaches successfully.

The UI issue is a red herring. I actually like PAN's web UI for reporting/analytics as well as for quick configuration changes. Check Point's SmartCenter has its share of fans. I've used CLI when it makes sense.

I wish I could give a better answer than "it depends", but it, well, depends...
 
2013-08-10 04:41:57 AM

eCurmudgeon: Cubansaltyballs: The run ASAs and SRXs to do your basic port-filtering/NAT.

When you get into app inspection, usually a separate L7 device like a Big IP ASM or Akamai Kona. Some of that stuff can be done on an SRX, but it really hammers the performance at high speeds. The ASA will do it, but it's clunky and limited in functionality.

OK... Now we're getting somewhere.

For Internet to DMZ traffic (i.e. external-facing web sites, services, etc.) I'll concur with BIG-IP ASM. For internal to outbound traffic, especially in enterprise environments, it gets a bit more complex. Most of the traffic is going to be TCP/80 and TCP/443, which means having at least some degree of layer-7 inspection is desirable. Also, the ability to integrate with Active Directory and have user-based policies is often important as well. (A lot of customers ask about DLP, and while PAN's "Content-ID" features are, well, OK, I would not recommend them as any sort of replacement for a real DLP solution).

So, it gets into the camps of separate devices for packet filtering/NAT vs. L7 versus having unified Palo Alto or later-generation Check Point enterprise devices. I've seen different places use both approaches successfully.

The UI issue is a red herring. I actually like PAN's web UI for reporting/analytics as well as for quick configuration changes. Check Point's SmartCenter has its share of fans. I've used CLI when it makes sense.

I wish I could give a better answer than "it depends", but it, well, depends...


You sound like a pre-sales engineer...

A lot of inbound traffic has no AD to bind a traffic polic to, so that does jack sh*t for ingress traffic. It does have some applications for separating internal zones, but also has limitations... If the pan can't enumerate AD for any reason, it usually won't know what to do with the traffic.

Also, anyone trying to do L2-L7 filtering on the same box is ignorant or willfully ignorant of how software is actually made, especially at start-ups.

Honestly,I've only seen customers ask about that stuff because they're conditioned by sales/pre-sales people who act like all that stuff is relevant by just repeating buzzwords and marketing verbiage to sell a product... The larger the gp or spiff, the more of the marketing jargon gets repeated.

Honestly, these products are really good for retiring quota, and that's about it.
 
2013-08-10 04:57:38 AM

Cubansaltyballs: You sound like a pre-sales engineer...

A lot of inbound traffic has no AD to bind a traffic polic to, so that does jack sh*t for ingress traffic. It does have some applications for separating internal zones, but also has limitations... If the pan can't enumerate AD for any reason, it usually won't know what to do with the traffic.

Also, anyone trying to do L2-L7 filtering on the same box is ignorant or willfully ignorant of how software is actually made, especially at

start-ups.

Honestly,I've only seen customers ask about that stuff because they're conditioned by sales/pre-sales people who act like all that stuff is relevant by just repeating buzzwords and marketing verbiage to sell a product... The larger the gp or spiff, the more of the marketing jargon gets repeated.

Honestly, these products are really good for retiring quota, and that's about it.


I'll plead "sorta guilty" here, as I do some pre-sales, but it isn't my primary job.

Again, inbound traffic is a completely different use case, and I would typically recommend different gear (i.e. F5).

As to the separate vs. unified argument, I've dealt with companies that did some rather elaborate bake-offs between different vendors and ultimately selected one of the "poseur vendors" and have been pretty happy with it. So it's hard to say they were conditioned by which vendor had the prettiest UI or took them to the best strip club during the sales cycle...

/again, your mileage will vary. Not valid in all 50 states.
//going to bed...
 
2013-08-10 05:01:18 AM
...
 
2013-08-10 05:07:06 AM
So uh.... how do I connect it to my computer?

Does it come with a remote and free lifetime technical support?

/Acting like the retards who I have to deal with on a daily basis at my job.
//Good luck with the sale!
 
2013-08-10 06:33:06 AM
Wow, the Plug tag used for its original purpose =)
 
2013-08-10 06:35:56 AM
Go to the bid page & ask a question - that's as close as we'll get to a greenlight
 
2013-08-10 07:04:02 AM
Geez. We have a geek-dick-waving contest.

:My FW's better than your FW.
 
2013-08-10 07:32:27 AM

Mike: /submitter, obviously


I'll take it.  Not for THAT price obviously, it's second hand and heavily abused and being sold by an alcoholic so who knows if it even works of if the box that arrives will have this or a tuna sandwich in it.  I'll give you a months TF instead and a picture of my cats ass with lipstick on it that's only slightly soiled.  Deal?
 
2013-08-10 07:36:47 AM
I really like my Sonicwall 2400 - but I mostly make use of it for the content filtering. The IPS on it is kinda weak, and the interface is annoying.
 
2013-08-10 08:26:17 AM
kruxdeux  >>    Installing dual f5's this very moment

ArtemisGoldfish > Glad to know we're well-loved. Didn't happen to get 2000s or 4000s did you?

For extremely small values of "well-loved", I guess.  I will never ever buy anything from F5 again and encourage other folks to do likewise.  See, I once worked for a company that had a fleet of BigIP 6800s. They had a little problem with underrrated (400w vs. 425w) power supplies that kept croaking on us... only problem is that the power supply MIB not telling us when the first one died and it was only when the second one started getting flakey and we started getting watchdog resets (and the box rebooting non-stop) that we'd know to replace 'em.  Search the F5 knowledge base for "sol8001" and read between the lines.  This is the tip of the iceberg.

That wasn't the worst part though.  It was the horrible (much worse than the local cable company) experience of dealing with their tech support organization.  They tried to welsh on supporting the devices we'd shipped to our facility in Hong Kong, claiming that they'd only ship the replacement power supplies to the site of original purchase and that shipping and importation were on us, and that they had to charge us full price for the power supplies.  I finally forced the issue after several days' escalation and getting our legal department involved.  When I found out that their AsiaPac support depot was LITERALLY WALKING DISTANCE (3km) from our Hong Kong datacenter, you can imagine what I thought of them.

F---- technology company, would not buy again.  And neither should you.
 
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