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2013-08-09 05:48:20 PM
Hold on.  A media company not equating a pirated show with a lost subscription?  The hell you say.
 
2013-08-09 05:56:09 PM

Nefarious: Hold on.  A media company not equating a pirated show with a lost subscription?  The hell you say.


Hell, I pirate it and I have a subscription.
 
2013-08-09 05:57:55 PM
It shouldn't come as a surprise to them.   There have been studies that show P2P users actually spend more money and buy more legitimate music than non users.  A lot of people want to 'try before they buy' and once they get hooked they have no problem financially supporting those who create the things they like via legitimate purchases.
 
2013-08-09 06:02:07 PM
It's the most pirated show of the year. Better break out the wildfire.
 
2013-08-09 06:02:10 PM
Maybe he will turn HBO GO into a netflix like service, I'd pay $15 a month for that.
 
2013-08-09 06:08:37 PM

Tom_Slick: Maybe he will turn HBO GO into a netflix like service, I'd pay $15 a month for that.


They've had test markets, I think in Scandinavia, where they've done that.  In the US they still get a ton of money from Comcast, Charter, DirecTV, Dish, etc, so that those providers can offer the programming, and the providers get extra cash from those willing to pay the extra subscription fees.

Offering an ala carte HBO-Go subscription would likely piss off the cable and satellite providers as they could stand to lose revenue and subscribers, so they would try to fight HBO on the costs to carry the channel.

The tipping point will likely be when HBO estimates that they can make more from individual internet subscriptions than they'd lose from the providers.
 
2013-08-09 06:41:41 PM
Hero tag not good enough for the positive stance on this issue? We use it for troll purposes all the time......
 
2013-08-09 06:43:27 PM
Stannis Baratheon approves, but cuts off your fingers anyway.
 
2013-08-09 06:46:42 PM

CraicBaby: Stannis Baratheon approves


Yup, I'm sure the positive reaction isn't going to stop Time Warner from going after IP violators it can catch.  They are glad Game of Thrones is pirated but that won't stop them from trying to stop it.
 
2013-08-09 06:58:31 PM
Now if only Showtime would finish Jeremiah
 
2013-08-09 07:01:02 PM

Nefarious: CraicBaby: Stannis Baratheon approves

Yup, I'm sure the positive reaction isn't going to stop Time Warner from going after IP violators it can catch.  They are glad Game of Thrones is pirated but that won't stop them from trying to stop it.


Walder Frey will throw them a party
 
2013-08-09 07:03:21 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Now if only Showtime would finish Jeremiah


I would rather CBS finish Jericho.
 
2013-08-09 07:05:58 PM
Hodor.
 
2013-08-09 07:10:24 PM
In the last 18 hours I've finished reading book 3 and downloaded season 3, so I'm getting a kick.

Time to get into my cups and get to work!
 
2013-08-09 07:14:51 PM

exick: Nefarious: Hold on.  A media company not equating a pirated show with a lost subscription?  The hell you say.

Hell, I pirate it and I have a subscription.


Same here. Which... is it really pirating per se? I am paying for it after all... I just have HTPC's in my house and so if I miss it on Sunday I usually watch it on one of those after work on Monday. It's kind of like setting your VCR to catch a show you won't be at home to watch.
 
2013-08-09 07:20:18 PM
So we're cool then? Nice.
 
2013-08-09 07:35:49 PM
I like to read so I go looking for books online.
Lots of "anonymous" download sites require registration.

It's like, "Here is your stolen merchandise. Your download will begin after you give us your name and address!"
 
2013-08-09 07:41:57 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Tom_Slick: Maybe he will turn HBO GO into a netflix like service, I'd pay $15 a month for that.

They've had test markets, I think in Scandinavia, where they've done that.  In the US they still get a ton of money from Comcast, Charter, DirecTV, Dish, etc, so that those providers can offer the programming, and the providers get extra cash from those willing to pay the extra subscription fees.

Offering an ala carte HBO-Go subscription would likely piss off the cable and satellite providers as they could stand to lose revenue and subscribers, so they would try to fight HBO on the costs to carry the channel.

The tipping point will likely be when HBO estimates that they can make more from individual internet subscriptions than they'd lose from the providers.


I used to work in cable. Local cable providers pay HBO $X per subscriber, then determine how much they're going to charge for it. The key would be for HBO to charge the same amount for a web-subscription as the local cable company charges. The cable companies will argue that they will lose the customers that have cable just so they can get HBO but I don't think those customers really exist. Companies dropping HBO would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. The problem for the cable companies is that there are now so many other ways to get programming (netflix, hulu, etc.) that people aren't getting cable at all. That's a relatively small percentage right now but it's going to gradually increase over the years.

There are still a lot of people who aren't immersed in the web, who don't really use the internet to its full potential. But it's mostly an age division so as those people die off and the kids who have always been using the internet since birth become adults, cable is going to lose more and more subscribers. There's a tipping point in there where the number of cable subscribers vs. nonsubscibers will make it financially foolish for HBO not to offer a stand-alone web subscription.
 
2013-08-09 07:42:57 PM
Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.
 
2013-08-09 07:44:14 PM
Top Gear also has the opinion towards their content being shared on torrent sites, even going so far to name check the main site (finalgear.com) in a preview video for a new season once.

To them it's just free advertising.
 
2013-08-09 07:57:11 PM

narkor: Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.


Way to not pay attention to TFA or the thread.
 
2013-08-09 08:00:08 PM
Duh
 
2013-08-09 08:07:30 PM

Glitchwerks: Top Gear also has the opinion towards their content being shared on torrent sites, even going so far to name check the main site (finalgear.com) in a preview video for a new season once.

To them it's just free advertising.


The BBC should care even less about piracy than HBO.  If you have a TV, you've already paid for it.  Why should they care if you download it too?
 
2013-08-09 08:15:50 PM

narkor: Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.


Because the people who run Fox are damn idiots?
 
2013-08-09 08:17:45 PM

narkor: Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.


Budgets, viewer expectations and dissatisfaction with bottle episodes. Also, SG:U spent the first season being a vortex of suck, and by the time it got its shiat together, nobody cared anymore.
 
2013-08-09 08:24:28 PM
Not sure what's wrong with this thread, expected to see more of this:

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2013-08-09 08:24:31 PM

t3knomanser: narkor: Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.

Budgets, viewer expectations and dissatisfaction with bottle episodes. Also, SG:U spent the first season being a vortex of suck, and by the time it got its shiat together, nobody cared anymore.


I think that's because for whatever reasons the various networks expect shows to be a hit right away instead of finding their feet. Look at any number of hit shows, especially sci-fi and fantasy and you'll note that the first season is often kind of bad. ST:TNG, B5, Buffy, Andromeda, etc all had some pretty lousy initial seasons, but turned out to be pretty good shows.
 
2013-08-09 08:26:16 PM

exick: Nefarious: Hold on.  A media company not equating a pirated show with a lost subscription?  The hell you say.

Hell, I pirate it and I have a subscription.


Why?
 
2013-08-09 08:26:17 PM

narkor: Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.


Because after Battlestar Galactica, there's not much more you can do with that genre that won't be a rehash of something we already saw before? Doctor Who pretty much has the episodic planet and monster of the week thing covered right now, too.
 
2013-08-09 08:29:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It shouldn't come as a surprise to them.   There have been studies that show P2P users actually spend more money and buy more legitimate music than non users.  A lot of people want to 'try before they buy' and once they get hooked they have no problem financially supporting those who create the things they like via legitimate purchases.


1) No offense but, duh.
2) If the entertainment and music business did this more often, their revenues would increase by about 50%.
 
2013-08-09 08:30:48 PM
I can has Hard Knocks?
 
2013-08-09 08:37:28 PM
I pirated the first season after it aired. Signed on for season 2 and kept it through now. I've also bought both blu ray sets and the books. So in this case, piracy got them a subscriber.
 
2013-08-09 08:39:13 PM

Aristocles: Not sure what's wrong with this thread, expected to see more of this:

[img.pandawhale.com image 579x720]


Just remember she's knocking boots with Seth McFarlane
 
2013-08-09 08:39:15 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: t3knomanser: narkor: Keep believing in your free unicorns guys - and then explain why there are no spaceship based science fiction shows on TV.

Budgets, viewer expectations and dissatisfaction with bottle episodes. Also, SG:U spent the first season being a vortex of suck, and by the time it got its shiat together, nobody cared anymore.

I think that's because for whatever reasons the various networks expect shows to be a hit right away instead of finding their feet. Look at any number of hit shows, especially sci-fi and fantasy and you'll note that the first season is often kind of bad. ST:TNG, B5, Buffy, Andromeda, etc all had some pretty lousy initial seasons, but turned out to be pretty good shows.


Right, but those shows also had good ratings (relative to their networks and costs) even during their first seasons.  None of them were low-rated shows needing to "find their feet" with the audience.  Fringe was the same way.
 
2013-08-09 08:44:54 PM
I had the Tuna Amobi melt at Subway once.
 
2013-08-09 08:49:39 PM
I've been saying for years that anyone who pirates TV shows and movies aren't harming the people that sell that content, they're harming independent and alternative sources of media by focusing on mainstream stuff only. So long as the eyeballs are glued to HBO's content, instead of seeking alternate forms of entertainment, HBO wins.
 
2013-08-09 08:59:46 PM

russlar: Aristocles: Not sure what's wrong with this thread, expected to see more of this:

[img.pandawhale.com image 579x720]

Just remember she's knocking boots with Seth McFarlane


Really?!

Well, uh... I guess.. He's earned it?
 
2013-08-09 09:08:33 PM

Aristocles: Not sure what's wrong with this thread, expected to see more of this:

[img.pandawhale.com image 579x720]


Is it intentional that she looks like a mannequin?

/no idea who that is
//back to coming up with ideas for a project...
 
2013-08-09 09:11:40 PM

Tom_Slick: Maybe he will turn HBO GO into a netflix like service, I'd pay $15 a month for that.


Copper isn't bad either. Do it, put it on roku, ps3, Xbox, et al.
 
2013-08-09 09:20:46 PM

Rude Turnip: I've been saying for years that anyone who pirates TV shows and movies aren't harming the people that sell that content, they're harming independent and alternative sources of media by focusing on mainstream stuff only. So long as the eyeballs are glued to HBO's content, instead of seeking alternate forms of entertainment, HBO wins.


You think people who pirate don't engage with alternate media? Television isn't quite an open medium yet so I'm confused by your point.

I would assume your average pirate consumes more alternate media, and more media in general than his/her law abiding counterpart. Because I watched a Michael Bay movie doesn't mean I won't watch your indie flick. Probably a whole list of reasons that have nothing to do with competition in the market place.

I think you are looking at the people who watch Game of Thrones in the same way as the audience who only goes and watches the new Fast and Furious movie every year. Those people exist, there are a lot of them, and they never look outside their bubble. This is why they suck, hard. Forget about those people. I bet there are way fewer pirates with as limited a view, if only because its so easy to broaden your horizons.

I really think the ease of access of piracy leads to an audience with a broader and better taste. Most people just have shiatty taste. This isn't a piracy issue.
 
2013-08-09 09:22:57 PM
I haven't seen any of GoT,and I'm a big time Fantasy/Sci-Fi reader (I don't have HBO or a friend with HBO).  So right now I'm downloading the first 4 episodes because the CEO of HBO doesn't care.
 
2013-08-09 09:42:54 PM
Maybe there would be less piracy if they would release the videos.

I have already said I would buy them, but I am kinda pissed off that they aren't out until mid Feb.
 
2013-08-09 09:43:17 PM
So... I haven't seen prior seasons, and I don't know if I want it enough to buy the blu-rays. So I pirate the lower res stuff online. I either a) like it enough to buy or b) don't like it after a few episodes.

Since I got enough info to make an informed decision to not buy the Blu-rays I don't have an unwanted copy to sell as used, which they wouldn't see any profits from. Instead they sell more to dedicated watchers who then retain for years. And since I'm a used media dealer it helps to maintain the value of used copies of series if people don't dump things they bought blind.
 
2013-08-09 09:43:41 PM

Nefarious: Hold on.  A media company not equating a pirated show with a lost subscription?  The hell you say.


This is the same network that has toyed with the notion of untying its Internet VOD service from having to subscribe, so its not shocking.
 
2013-08-09 09:45:35 PM

VTGremlin: Smeggy Smurf: Now if only Showtime would finish Jeremiah

I would rather CBS finish Jericho.


I've read where it was pitched to Netflix.  After watching the entire series run, this needs to be the next series they bring back from the dead.
 
2013-08-09 09:47:27 PM
Give me a single legal route to purchase access to GoT without paying $80/month for 200 channels of cable I'll never watch or waiting two years for the DVDs to come out, and I will gladly pay honest money for the show. I was not aware that Time Warner owned HBO. Now it all makes sense why they force you to buy cable to get it.
 
2013-08-09 09:54:05 PM

Tom_Slick: Maybe he will turn HBO GO into a netflix like service, I'd pay $15 a month for that.


I am about to cut the cord on the 23rd. I just set up a Netflix and Hulu Plus account (using DNS redirect for the better selection) and am not looking back.
 
2013-08-09 09:55:38 PM
Then why did you make comcast send my neighbors a C&D you bastards!
 
2013-08-09 09:58:52 PM

Nefarious: Hold on.  A media company not equating a pirated show with a lost subscription killing a policeman and taking a dump in his hat?  The hell you say.


You wouldn't steal a baby.
 
2013-08-09 10:25:50 PM

Rude Turnip: I've been saying for years that anyone who pirates TV shows and movies aren't harming the people that sell that content, they're harming independent and alternative sources of media by focusing on mainstream stuff only. So long as the eyeballs are glued to HBO's content, instead of seeking alternate forms of entertainment, HBO wins.


HBO seems to have the golden touch when it comes to original content.  They hit it out of the park far more often than they miss.  When GoT wrapped up for the season The Newsroom was only a handful of weeks away, when The Newsroom wraps for the season Treme should pick up relatively soon.  As long as they have something I want to watch coming out inside of a month or two, it's easier to just keep the subscription than to cancel/renew constantly.

What do you mean by alternative sources?  Netflix has had some success with original content, but I cant think of any other non-studio backed entity that has created a series worth watching.  I had read about some fan-created web-based Star Trek series, so I went to check it out, and the acting and production values were so incredibly bad I couldn't make it through a single episode.

It takes a lot of money to create a TV show, and audiences expect a certain level of quality and polish.  There are some YouTube originals worth watching, but I wouldn't ever pay for them, nor do I feel like watching TV on my computer very often, though I'm sure my next TV will have a YouTube app.
 
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