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2013-08-09 01:06:39 PM  
It was perfectly alright when Bush II was doing it but now that it's Obama, it's completely wrong
 
2013-08-09 01:10:05 PM  
No, he didn't, but this whole thing has gone full 9/11 truther.  Next thread we'll be hearing about how the Free Masons have contracted with ex-Mossad agents to track down anyone who has used the word "bomb" in a scrabble game.
 
2013-08-09 01:21:47 PM  
If only there were some way to tell when a politician is lying.
 
2013-08-09 01:37:40 PM  
Like I'm going to believe the liberal MSM state run new york times.
 
2013-08-09 01:41:47 PM  

KingKauff: It was perfectly alright when Bush II was doing it but now that it's Obama, it's completely wrong


Of course. Is there a D in truth? No, but there is an R.
 
2013-08-09 01:57:35 PM  
Probably.

Then again, good leaders can lie for the greater good. So if you think about it, Obama is the real victim.
 
2013-08-09 02:00:50 PM  
What a disaster of a president. Has he stopped the rise of the oceans yet?
 
2013-08-09 02:01:15 PM  
Quick, someone find a way to rationalize what he said into truth by imagining nuance in his words.

Or play the Bush card.

Something.
 
2013-08-09 02:01:46 PM  
According to Fox News, Obama should have conducted his interview on BET since he is race baiter in chief.

So the narrative is now: "Obama is trying to brainwash old white people who watch Leno, insert WTF_IS_THIS_GUY'S_PROBLEM.jpg picture here."
 
2013-08-09 02:02:14 PM  
www.blackborder.com
We don't have a domestic spying program, citizen...
 
2013-08-09 02:02:20 PM  

Agneska: What a disaster of a president. Has he stopped the rise of the oceans yet?


Yeah, but only for about a few hours twice a day.
 
2013-08-09 02:03:18 PM  
Well, this should be a calm and rational thread.
 
2013-08-09 02:03:36 PM  

Cletus C.: Quick, someone find a way to rationalize what he said into truth by imagining nuance in his words.

Or play the Bush card.

Something.


Well, you guys have the market cornered in doing the opposite:

"You Didn't Build That!"

Oh, do you mean...

"(whole paragraph here)... you didn't build that."

Tell me Cletus, how do you feel about binder clips, flag pins and arugula?
 
2013-08-09 02:03:41 PM  

Sybarite: If only there were some way to tell when a politician is lying.


Whenever their lips are moving?
 
2013-08-09 02:03:45 PM  

Paris1127: KingKauff: It was perfectly alright when Bush II was doing it but now that it's Obama, it's completely wrong

Of course. Is there a D in truth? No, but there is an R.


And there's a D in "lied."

/This is how they actually think.
 
2013-08-09 02:04:25 PM  
If his lies and the info coming out this fast are contradicting each other, maybe best wait till this slows down until he can come up with a couple big lies that cover the whole thing. Then his apologists can run with that.
 
2013-08-09 02:04:35 PM  
But..but..but who would Bush the roads, you racists.
 
2013-08-09 02:05:19 PM  
Frankly, it's not proven that there is a Domestic Spying Program. Unless you prove otherwise, he didn't lie.

Not that there's no reason to be suspicious or anything, it's just that words have meaning. Prove it, or don't.
 
2013-08-09 02:06:02 PM  

James!: No, he didn't, but this whole thing has gone full 9/11 truther.  Next thread we'll be hearing about how the Free Masons have contracted with ex-Mossad agents to track down anyone who has used the word "bomb" in a scrabble game.


You already know too much!
 
2013-08-09 02:07:48 PM  
"There is no spying on Americans. We don't have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat," Obama told Leno.

So, the offending verbiage is the first 6 words.  The rest is correct if I understand it.  I suppose if you want to be supportive like the good FarkLib that lives only in Cletus C.'s mind, you'd say "well, he just means Americans in general."  I say, however, it is doublespeak, there of course is spying, but it is targeted spying.  He should have said 'targeted' to make it true and he didn't.

Paging Mr. Issa, Mr. Issa to the Tonight Show please.  You are hereby directed to ask Obama why he didn't use the word 'targeted'.
 
2013-08-09 02:09:05 PM  

Paris1127: KingKauff: It was perfectly alright when Bush II was doing it but now that it's Obama, it's completely wrong

Of course. Is there a D in truth? No, but there is an R.


Hehe, I like it. Right up there with "Adam and Steve" for pithy derp.
 
2013-08-09 02:09:28 PM  
Isn't it illegal to lie to the American public?

I know people say its ok because Bush did it, but at a certain point we have to hold a person accountable based on their actions and not on a sliding scale based on what other bad politicians have done.

It's really sad we get so many "better than Romney" or "but Bush".

People who engage in that those types of posts are: lying to themselves, willfully ignorant or paid shills.
 
2013-08-09 02:10:28 PM  
I would love it if anyone could explain exactly what the government is doing without all the tinfoil "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat that has taken over the conversation.
 
2013-08-09 02:11:11 PM  

KingKauff: It was perfectly alright when Bush II was doing it but now that it's Obama, it's completely wrong


No you stupid twat, it has been wrong since 2001.
 
2013-08-09 02:11:31 PM  

coeyagi: Paging Mr. Issa, Mr. Issa to the Tonight Show please. You are hereby directed to ask Obama why he didn't use the word 'targeted'.


The word "targeted" was destroyed in Benghazi, which is why Fartbongo is covering it up.
 
2013-08-09 02:13:12 PM  

James!: I would love it if anyone could explain exactly what the government is doing without all the tinfoil "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat that has taken over the conversation.


The system collects and monitors metadata from international communications. If some of that data throws up a flag, an analyst examines it and orders a Warrant. Once granted, the information is gathered and investigated, followed up if needed. This can include pretty much every form of communication, once the warrant is out there.

AFAIK, this is about the long and short of it, though I'm obviously light on specifics for the sake of brevity. Add seasoning to taste.
 
2013-08-09 02:13:21 PM  
I love how no one's contesting the actual headline, which is that no one watches Leno.
 
2013-08-09 02:13:52 PM  

James!: "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat


I also think due process is stupid, can someone make me care about this otherwise?
 
2013-08-09 02:14:29 PM  

James!: I would love it if anyone could explain exactly what the government is doing without all the tinfoil "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat that has taken over the conversation.


I'd say the biggest problem is that they won't exactly tell us what they are doing.
 
2013-08-09 02:14:42 PM  

Headso: James!: "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat

I also think due process is stupid, can someone make me care about this otherwise?


That's a hell of a leap.
 
2013-08-09 02:15:33 PM  

LasersHurt: James!: I would love it if anyone could explain exactly what the government is doing without all the tinfoil "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat that has taken over the conversation.

The system collects and monitors metadata from international communications. If some of that data throws up a flag, an analyst examines it and orders a Warrant. Once granted, the information is gathered and investigated, followed up if needed. This can include pretty much every form of communication, once the warrant is out there.

AFAIK, this is about the long and short of it, though I'm obviously light on specifics for the sake of brevity. Add seasoning to taste.


Pretty much. All electronic communications are caught by the "net," though only a fraction are examined. We don't know how long they store them for.

No one at the gubmint is looking at the hash brownie recipe you emailed gram-gram last week, unless Grams lives in Pakistan and goes by the name Osamgram bin Bombinurembassieskillinurdoods. In which case, yeah, they saw it.
 
2013-08-09 02:16:11 PM  

LasersHurt: James!: I would love it if anyone could explain exactly what the government is doing without all the tinfoil "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat that has taken over the conversation.

The system collects and monitors metadata from international communications. If some of that data throws up a flag, an analyst examines it and orders a Warrant. Once granted, the information is gathered and investigated, followed up if needed. This can include pretty much every form of communication, once the warrant is out there.

AFAIK, this is about the long and short of it, though I'm obviously light on specifics for the sake of brevity. Add seasoning to taste.


a-yup.  And to elaborate if one of those international communications happens to be from or to an American number they will flag it.  That isn't domestic spying.
 
2013-08-09 02:16:41 PM  

coeyagi: Cletus C.: Quick, someone find a way to rationalize what he said into truth by imagining nuance in his words.

Or play the Bush card.

Something.

Well, you guys have the market cornered in doing the opposite:

"You Didn't Build That!"

Oh, do you mean...

"(whole paragraph here)... you didn't build that."

Tell me Cletus, how do you feel about binder clips, flag pins and arugula?


I didn't call for diversion or stale imagined word nuance. Learn to follow directions.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

He's clearly saying if you've got a business you didn't build it. But we are to believe he's referring to the roads and bridges and ignore that it would have been "you didn't build those." As I said, that's old parsing. Explain this new one away. Stat.
 
2013-08-09 02:19:12 PM  

toraque: I love how no one's contesting the actual headline, which is that no one watches Leno.


Well duh. Even on Fark, I think that statement would get pretty much universal support.
 
2013-08-09 02:19:18 PM  

Headso: James!: "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat

I also think due process is stupid, can someone make me care about this otherwise?


I haven't got the farking energy, man. The process is due, they are following the law.  You can build a fantasy in your head that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, but you're going to look like a wackjob.
 
2013-08-09 02:19:47 PM  

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: Quick, someone find a way to rationalize what he said into truth by imagining nuance in his words.

Or play the Bush card.

Something.

Well, you guys have the market cornered in doing the opposite:

"You Didn't Build That!"

Oh, do you mean...

"(whole paragraph here)... you didn't build that."

Tell me Cletus, how do you feel about binder clips, flag pins and arugula?

I didn't call for diversion or stale imagined word nuance. Learn to follow directions.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

He's clearly saying if you've got a business you didn't build it. But we are to believe he's referring to the roads and bridges and ignore that it would have been "you didn't build those." As I said, that's old parsing. Explain this new one away. Stat.


Oh, you didn't call for it?

You mean, you didn't celebrate the Romney derp brigade when they tried to lie their way into the White House with the "You Didn't Built That!" sh*t?  You sure?
 
2013-08-09 02:19:54 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: It's really sad we get so many "better than Romney" or "but Bush".


It sucks that this is how it is but do you think things would be better under Romney? Based on everything he's said if Romney were elected, not only would we not be getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan but we'd probably also be in Syria and maybe Iran by now. Before that if we elected McCain, he would probably be dead of a heart attack and Palin would have the launch codes.

So everyone cut the "Messiah" shiat. No one was voting for a Messiah. We were voting for the one who would fark up this country less. And we made the right choice, no matter how much Obama sucks.
 
2013-08-09 02:20:50 PM  

grumpfuff: toraque: I love how no one's contesting the actual headline, which is that no one watches Leno.

Well duh. Even on Fark, I think that statement would get pretty much universal support.


No one should watch it.  Just like no one should watch Fox News.

And.... correlate the demographics of those.  It's a bingo!
 
2013-08-09 02:21:17 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it illegal to lie to the American public?


Is it?
 
2013-08-09 02:22:09 PM  

Arkanaut: ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it illegal to lie to the American public?

Is it?


If only some news channel had sued to determine whether they could legally lie to the public.
 
2013-08-09 02:22:37 PM  

coeyagi: Oh, you didn't call for it?

You mean, you didn't celebrate the Romney derp brigade when they tried to lie their way into the White House with the "You Didn't Built That!" sh*t? You sure?


I can't even hear the wheels spinning.

Explain how Obama did not lie on Leno's show. The country needs you right now.
 
2013-08-09 02:22:40 PM  

Cletus C.: He's clearly saying if you've got a business you didn't build it.


And he'd be right.  A business owner has been helped every day of  his or her life and that help has culminated in a business.  Parents / caregivers, education, a culture that allows innovation,etc. etc.  No one ever creates or builds anything all by themselves.
 
2013-08-09 02:22:42 PM  
...the NYT story, written by Charlie Savage, details the government's role in "sifting through the contents of what is apparently most e-mails and other text-based communications that cross the border."

Still this? Jesus, they way everyone keeps talking, you've had me looking under my bathroom sink for the last month.

No, Obama hasn't lied on this any more than any other politician or intelligence official EVER. Stop acting like this kind of a denial is new.
 
2013-08-09 02:23:39 PM  
"There is no spying on Americans. We don't have a domestic spying program. What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat," Obama told Leno.


Previous reports about the NSA have focused on the collection of metadata and call logs, but the NYT story, written by Charlie Savage, details the government's role in "sifting through the contents of what is apparently most e-mails and other text-based communications that cross the border."


That could mean the same exact thing instead. Communications can cross the border to terrorists threats. That would make both statements true I wish people would actually listen to what is ACTUALLY being said. When Snowden said that people had the access to communications he later explained (when directly asked if anyone was allowed to just listen in to the communications) they had the CAPABILITY to access it. He later explained LEGALLY and PROCEDURALLY they did not.

That is like saying I have the ability to listen in to any conversation in the US because if I had the tech to do so I could potentially do so. It's a pretty misleading way to say it.

If I was to say "You are allowed to murder anyone at any time" and then said "Well you could potentially do it and it would be illegal" that would be considered very misleading. But that's actually what people are saying.

Yes people in government have the ability, to listen in on any conversation, so does the phone company, so does really any one. This whole thing is wrapped up in emotion and people just turning it into their fears of government we can't actually focus on the actual issues that need to be changed.

I am all for making more limits for the NSA, but all this lying about what is actually going on is BS.
 
2013-08-09 02:24:05 PM  

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"Those in authority should take appropriate precautions to protect our citizens.
But we will not allow this enemy to win the war by changing our way of life or restricting our freedoms."



                                                                        --George W. Bush, September 12, 2001

/lying sack of cowpats. he's the one that got all those volunteers to go hunt down OBL...in Iraq.
 
2013-08-09 02:24:14 PM  

nocturnal001: James!: I would love it if anyone could explain exactly what the government is doing without all the tinfoil "The DEA is in my cornflakes" bullshiat that has taken over the conversation.

I'd say the biggest problem is that they won't exactly tell us what they are doing.


They've already explained pretty much all they're ever going to explain about the program. Later, when they've exhausted it's usefulness they may release more.  For now though it's an active tool in the investigation and tracking of terror cells and alleged terrorist across the globe.

However, to give you credit, stating that you'd like to know more is far better than automatically concocting wild conspiracy theories.
 
2013-08-09 02:24:16 PM  

Mugato: ourbigdumbmouth: It's really sad we get so many "better than Romney" or "but Bush".

It sucks that this is how it is but do you think things would be better under Romney? Based on everything he's said if Romney were elected, not only would we not be getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan but we'd probably also be in Syria and maybe Iran by now. Before that if we elected McCain, he would probably be dead of a heart attack and Palin would have the launch codes.

So everyone cut the "Messiah" shiat. No one was voting for a Messiah. We were voting for the one who would fark up this country less. And we made the right choice, no matter how much Obama sucks.



AHA! You've outed yourself as a conservative troll, because all liberals are in lock-step with Obama and never disagree with anything he's done!!!!

/not really
 
2013-08-09 02:24:26 PM  

gadian: Cletus C.: He's clearly saying if you've got a business you didn't build it.

And he'd be right.  A business owner has been helped every day of  his or her life and that help has culminated in a business.  Parents / caregivers, education, a culture that allows innovation,etc. etc.  No one ever creates or builds anything all by themselves.


Fine. He should have owned his words then.
 
2013-08-09 02:25:38 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Isn't it illegal to lie to the American public?


ourbigdumbmouth: People who engage in that those types of posts are: lying to themselves, willfully ignorant or paid shills.


Careful with that axe, Eugene.
 
2013-08-09 02:25:58 PM  
Guess what guys to see if someone is talking to a "terrorist threat" you have to look at the "communications that cross the border " (if the threat is foreign).

It's not "lying". It's explaining the same damn thing. Just in  a different way.
 
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