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2013-08-09 11:32:01 AM
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Its obvious that NOM is just trolling us. That is really Sacha Baron Cohen, right???
 
2013-08-09 11:41:53 AM
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2013-08-09 11:44:58 AM
Imagine being a baby in a society where the state refuses to defend your biological bond to your parents, at the behest of politically powerful people. I wouldn't feel safe there. How about you?

Does this twit think that The Gays snatch babies from safe and loving homes?
 
2013-08-09 11:45:10 AM
I believe that, in spite of the intentions of its advocates, the policy of gender-neutral marriage policy (commonly known as gay marriage) will come to treat mothers like slaves and children like chattel. Favoring gender-neutral marriage policy over natural marriage policy will empower and expand the state at the expense of civil society, the family, and ultimately, the individual. [...]

Given all this, I believe that Lincoln would fight against legal changes that undermine the natural family. I believe he would object to how Lisa Miller and Isabella are being treated.


So you are now equating yourselves to slaves?

I would like to know why anyone would think this. Honestly. I truly don't get it.
 
2013-08-09 11:48:20 AM
This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute. That would be like pointing to someone who sells her baby formula for crack and saying that straight people should be allowed to have babies.
 
2013-08-09 11:52:33 AM

what_now: Imagine being a baby in a society where the state refuses to defend your biological bond to your parents, at the behest of politically powerful people. I wouldn't feel safe there. How about you?

Does this twit think that The Gays snatch babies from safe and loving homes?


Um ... well ...

There are far more "moving parts" than for natural marriage. It could not happen without the state disregarding and redefining the natural rights of all biologically related people. Even if some same sex couples don't use artificial reproductive technology, same sex marriage policy:

● codifies the idea that children do not have a right to their own mother and father
● codifies the idea that the biological bond between children and their parents can be violated without reason or recourse
● redefines mother and father for everybody.


It does sorta seem implied. They'll use the helpless subservient Government to do that.
I guess after I become muslim and have an abortion, I'll get gay married and one of her kids. After the reception of course.
 
2013-08-09 11:54:00 AM

what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.


Apparently being an international fugitive and criminal who would rather abscond to and secrete her child in Central America than obey a custody order is better than being a gay.
 
2013-08-09 12:12:27 PM

kronicfeld: secrete her child


I've heard many terms for childbirth, but that's a new one for me.

/knows what you meant, read it the other way first.
 
2013-08-09 12:14:37 PM

what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute. That would be like pointing to someone who sells her baby formula for crack and saying that straight people should be allowed to have babies.


Not just a bad custody dispute.  The bio mom fled with the help of the ADF before any custody claims could be made.  Despite the ADF's continual attempts to argue the case on the biomom's behalf the judges in the case have rightly ruled that if she doesn't show up in court she loses.
 
2013-08-09 12:20:59 PM

James!: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute. That would be like pointing to someone who sells her baby formula for crack and saying that straight people should be allowed to have babies.

Not just a bad custody dispute.  The bio mom fled with the help of the ADF before any custody claims could be made.  Despite the ADF's continual attempts to argue the case on the biomom's behalf the judges in the case have rightly ruled that if she doesn't show up in court she loses.


Sure but regardless of the merits- or lack thereof- this is still just an anecdote.
 
2013-08-09 12:27:50 PM
will come to treat mothers like slaves

I thought these kinds of religious wingnuts supported that?
 
2013-08-09 12:27:50 PM

what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.


What's her Fark handle?

/Pretty sure she's posted in child support threads as an MRA
 
2013-08-09 12:29:00 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.

What's her Fark handle?

/Pretty sure she's posted in child support threads as an MRA


what's an MRA?
 
2013-08-09 12:32:27 PM

what_now: what's an MRA?


its a meal in a bag that soldiers eat
 
2013-08-09 12:32:37 PM

what_now: The My Little Pony Killer: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.

What's her Fark handle?

/Pretty sure she's posted in child support threads as an MRA

what's an MRA?


Mother's rights advocate?

//no idea
 
2013-08-09 12:34:22 PM

what_now: James!: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute. That would be like pointing to someone who sells her baby formula for crack and saying that straight people should be allowed to have babies.

Not just a bad custody dispute.  The bio mom fled with the help of the ADF before any custody claims could be made.  Despite the ADF's continual attempts to argue the case on the biomom's behalf the judges in the case have rightly ruled that if she doesn't show up in court she loses.

Sure but regardless of the merits- or lack thereof- this is still just an anecdote.


I'm just pointing out that this case was set up from the ground up by the anti-marriage crowd.
 
2013-08-09 12:35:44 PM
NOM fighting with Log Cabin Republicans?  I'm trying to give a shiat, but I can't.
 
2013-08-09 12:38:08 PM

James!: what_now: James!: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute. That would be like pointing to someone who sells her baby formula for crack and saying that straight people should be allowed to have babies.

Not just a bad custody dispute.  The bio mom fled with the help of the ADF before any custody claims could be made.  Despite the ADF's continual attempts to argue the case on the biomom's behalf the judges in the case have rightly ruled that if she doesn't show up in court she loses.

Sure but regardless of the merits- or lack thereof- this is still just an anecdote.

I'm just pointing out that this case was set up from the ground up by the anti-marriage crowd.


Oh, absolutely. And it's interesting that they will say "Look at this example of bad people. Clearly, The Gays can't have children" while ignoring the parenting qualities of the entire state of Florida.
 
2013-08-09 12:38:09 PM
All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican? Given that you are aligning yourself with a party which views your lifestyle as inherently evil and you as a contemptible sex criminal, why in God's name would you join them? It cant be a matter of principle because the repubs obviously no longer have principles. I suppose it could be based on wealth and greed, but in that case why come out as gay? Just shuffle along with the rest of the conservative millionaires and use repub policy to steal money from your employees and poison the environment like a good little plutocrat. I suspect it does come down to some sort of kinky sex thing. If you're into being humiliated on a regular basis, I can think of no better way to do it than to be an openly gay repub.
 
2013-08-09 12:38:39 PM
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Self-loathing, a title and a keyboard:  In this case a terrible combination.
 
2013-08-09 12:38:49 PM

meat0918: what_now: The My Little Pony Killer: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.

What's her Fark handle?

/Pretty sure she's posted in child support threads as an MRA

what's an MRA?

Mother's rights advocate?

//no idea


Massively retarded assclown?
 
2013-08-09 12:40:20 PM

what_now: The My Little Pony Killer: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.

What's her Fark handle?

/Pretty sure she's posted in child support threads as an MRA

what's an MRA?


I've seen MRA commonly used for "Men's Rights Advocate."
 
2013-08-09 12:40:38 PM
If you let gays adopt, they'll just spread HIV to their children.

/makes as much sense as any other argument they make
 
2013-08-09 12:40:59 PM
"Imagine being a baby in a society where the state refuses to defend your biological bond to your parents, at the behest of politically powerful people. I wouldn't feel safe there. How about you?"

"Go on..."

a.abcnews.com
 
2013-08-09 12:43:38 PM
wtf is wrong with her eye?
 
2013-08-09 12:43:53 PM

clambam: All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican?


There was one that used to post here.  She would say that the economic platform of the Republicans matched up better for her than the Democrats and that she hoped to change the attitude of the Republicans from within the party but that the whole equal rights thing just wasn't a big thing for her.

I never understood her, but then again I don't understand many things, like Texas.  WTF is up with that state?
 
2013-08-09 12:44:20 PM

clambam: All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican?


Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2013-08-09 12:44:47 PM
si0.twimg.com
 
2013-08-09 12:46:03 PM

clambam: All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican? Given that you are aligning yourself with a party which views your lifestyle as inherently evil and you as a contemptible sex criminal, why in God's name would you join them? It cant be a matter of principle because the repubs obviously no longer have principles. I suppose it could be based on wealth and greed, but in that case why come out as gay? Just shuffle along with the rest of the conservative millionaires and use repub policy to steal money from your employees and poison the environment like a good little plutocrat. I suspect it does come down to some sort of kinky sex thing. If you're into being humiliated on a regular basis, I can think of no better way to do it than to be an openly gay repub.


It exists because some people hold greed over their basic rights.
 
2013-08-09 12:46:59 PM

Soup4Bonnie: clambam: All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican?

There was one that used to post here.  She would say that the economic platform of the Republicans matched up better for her than the Democrats and that she hoped to change the attitude of the Republicans from within the party but that the whole equal rights thing just wasn't a big thing for her.

I never understood her, but then again I don't understand many things, like Texas.  WTF is up with that state?


So, greed, then, with a healthy admixture of "I've got mine so fark you." Again, I don't understand why if the equal rights thing wasn't important to her, why come out as gay to your fellow repubs at all? And we're right back to the humiliation/domination theory.
 
2013-08-09 12:46:59 PM
what_now:

Does this twit think that The Gays snatch babies from safe and loving homes?

You mean like fairies?  Do we have to worry about gay changelings now?
 
2013-08-09 12:47:10 PM

clambam: All this begs the question


Uh, oh. Now you've done it. Any second now, the FLB (Fark Logician's Brigade) will be along to excoriate you for your technical error, which - as we all know - is the worst kind of error.
 
2013-08-09 12:52:12 PM
So what you're telling me is that people that base their entire lives on a myth and a fairy tale might have some farked up ideas about real life? Unpossible!

i.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-09 12:52:32 PM

Lost Thought 00: If you let gays adopt, they'll just spread HIV to their children.

/makes as much sense as any other argument they make


I've read some responses toa survey from back in the 80s. One of them was "The only activity I would actively engage in is the killing of those scum." Another hit every talking point from AIDS to pedophilia to "multiple sex partners daily". I wouldn't be surprised if people still thought those things today.

Still, we've made a lot of progress. First they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they get angry at you, then you win. We're almost through the angry part, and we've already started in on the winning part. Good times ahead, but it may also get worse before it gets better.

/ipad sucks for editing. Sorry for errors.
 
2013-08-09 12:53:58 PM

what_now: Imagine being a baby in a society where the state refuses to defend your biological bond to your parents, at the behest of politically powerful people. I wouldn't feel safe there. How about you?

Does this twit think that The Gays snatch babies from safe and loving homes?


If I read that correctly, then they believe adoption is evil and should be banned. You can ONLY be raised by your biological parents; anything else is a violation of your human rights.
 
2013-08-09 12:54:08 PM
All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican?

The Democratic Party used to be anti-gay too. It took a lot of work from gay democrats to change that.
 
2013-08-09 12:56:20 PM

what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute. That would be like pointing to someone who sells her baby formula for crack and saying that straight people should be allowed to have babies.


Even that custody case doesn't make any sense in her argument. Nobody involved in that case is being treated like a slave.
 
2013-08-09 12:57:48 PM

Grungehamster: what_now: Imagine being a baby in a society where the state refuses to defend your biological bond to your parents, at the behest of politically powerful people. I wouldn't feel safe there. How about you?

Does this twit think that The Gays snatch babies from safe and loving homes?

If I read that correctly, then they believe adoption is evil and should be banned. You can ONLY be raised by your biological parents; anything else is a violation of your human rights.


Plus mandatory DNA tests to make sure Mommy isn't lying about who the father is.
 
2013-08-09 01:06:45 PM

DarwiOdrade: meat0918: what_now: The My Little Pony Killer: what_now: This idiot is basing her entire argument on one bad custody dispute.

What's her Fark handle?

/Pretty sure she's posted in child support threads as an MRA

what's an MRA?

Mother's rights advocate?

//no idea

Massively retarded assclown?


As to the article, NOM said something vile, hateful, and blatantly untrue about gay people?????

QUICK! To the fainting couch!
 
2013-08-09 01:09:44 PM
Where the fark do you even start with something like this?

1. Gay marriage is "similar to slavery" because a Gay woman abducted the child they were raising. WTF? First, because ONE person does it, so do the rest? How's that wide stance/Rent Boys  and Meth fueled massages shiat going for the ENTIRE GOP then?

2. Lincoln? What the farkety-fark?

3. Now gay people are "selfish" for "taking children away from their parents"? When has adoption ever been by force, except for when the parents were unable to care for their children adequately? They don't go around kicking in the doors of maternity wards with a bunch of gay guys picking which babies to abduct.

Jesus, this is the dumbest thing they could have come up with, but I'll give 'em 5 more minutes, I'm sure they're working on "Wackadoodle 2"...
 
2013-08-09 01:10:32 PM

Xythero: All this begs the question: Why is there such a thing as  Log Cabin Republican?


Because even gay people can despise the poor.
 
2013-08-09 01:12:50 PM

James!: I'm just pointing out that this case was set up from the ground up by the anti-marriage crowd.


Anti-marriage, or anti-Gay marriage? I didn't know the former was a thing, if that's what you meant.
 
2013-08-09 01:15:45 PM

Mikey1969: 1. Gay marriage is "similar to slavery" because a Gay woman abducted the child they were raising.


No, it's dumber than that. It's "similar to slavery" because the biological mother of the child, who suddenly became an "ex-gay" super-Christian when her lesbian relationship broke up, lost her court case in Vermont giving the non-biological mother custodial rights over the child, thus meaning that the child was being "enslaved" by a non-biological parent having custodial rights.

Even though that happens, like, all the time with children of heterosexuals.
 
2013-08-09 01:15:54 PM

Mikey1969: James!: I'm just pointing out that this case was set up from the ground up by the anti-marriage crowd.

Anti-marriage, or anti-Gay marriage? I didn't know the former was a thing, if that's what you meant.


There are some who scream about the government not recognizing *any* marriages, but most of those are just people looking for a way to make their anti-gay platform more palatable.

(James is not one of those people)
 
2013-08-09 01:17:30 PM

Mikey1969: 1. Gay marriage is "similar to slavery" because a Gay woman abducted the child they were raising. WTF? First, because ONE person does it, so do the rest? How's that wide stance/Rent Boys  and Meth fueled massages shiat going for the ENTIRE GOP then?


You don't understand: shes an "ex-gay" that is having to hide out in Central America to keep the child from her former partner.  If she comes into America this woman will be forced to share the child's custody!  In NOM's eye's the abductor is the hero/victim.
 
2013-08-09 01:20:16 PM
Her example for comparison was Lisa Miller, who separated from her civil union partner, declared she was ex-gay, and abducted their daughter Isabella away to central America, defying the law that gave her former partner visitation rights:

One case?  They've found one case of a divorce gone bad, where one parent ran off with the kid - and that means that gays shouldn't get married.  If that's how that logic works, then I can only assume they're also against straight marriages, since that's happened hundreds, if not thousands, times more with hetero couples.
 
2013-08-09 01:21:56 PM
Thieme argues that "biological parenthood" is preferable, because same-sex marriage and parenting "cannot replenish themselves, and thus gay couples are "selfish" for taking children away from their birth parents:

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2013-08-09 01:23:42 PM

beerrun: [si0.twimg.com image 256x256]


Good lord, that.

I feel dumber for having read that. A buddy of mine posted the following to FB this morning:

Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
If a Democrat is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
A Democrat demands that those they don't like be shut down.
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
If a Democrat decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a Republican reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A Democrat will delete it because he's "offended".
Well, I forwarded it.


To which I responded, "What about abortion and same-gender marriage?"

Still waiting for a response.  ;-)
 
2013-08-09 01:24:52 PM

Mikey1969: James!: I'm just pointing out that this case was set up from the ground up by the anti-marriage crowd.

Anti-marriage, or anti-Gay marriage? I didn't know the former was a thing, if that's what you meant.


Gay marriage is just marriage.
 
2013-08-09 01:26:58 PM

Karac: Her example for comparison was Lisa Miller, who separated from her civil union partner, declared she was ex-gay, and abducted their daughter Isabella away to central America, defying the law that gave her former partner visitation rights:

One case?  They've found one case of a divorce gone bad, where one parent ran off with the kid - and that means that gays shouldn't get married.  If that's how that logic works, then I can only assume they're also against straight marriages, since that's happened hundreds, if not thousands, times more with hetero couples.


And it's the ex-gay one who kidnapped the kid to South America, too, and did so with the help of Liberty Law School professors, no less. Except in their crazy upside down logic, this doesn't make gay people look bad, it makes ex-gays look like unstable kidnappers and right wing lawyers look like shady, child stealing criminals.
 
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