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(Fox News)   GAO, at the behest of Congress and Alliance Defending Freedom, finally opens investigation into freedom limiting government budget buster   (foxnews.com) divider line 67
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2013-08-09 01:29:22 PM

jjorsett: And when it finds impropriety, the excuse-makers will be saying "It was only $X of waste, fraud, and abuse, what's the big deal? We flush a thousand times that amount down the military/oil subsidies/yachts for Wall Street bankers every year."


And the funny thing is, it's still a valid excuse. Why go for small potatoes when you can get the big ones? More money goes to more people who don't need it, and in the case of the military, don't WANT it. Let's not give this any more legitimacy than what it is, another end-run around Roe v. Wade.
 
2013-08-09 02:08:27 PM

Grungehamster: Planned Parenthood gets less than half of their budget from government contracts (Fox News claims 45%, FactCheck says about a third). Of that money over 80% is Medicaid funds used strictly for traditional medical care (pap smears, mammograms, etc), and only the last fifth is for Title X (Family Planning). Planned Parenthood spends less than 3% of their budget on abortions.

So yes: even if you grant Fox's claim you're still looking at the possibility that some portion of 9% of their revenue went to cover 3% of their spending in violation of the Hyde Amendment. Does anyone seriously believe that is the case?

Also, do conservatives not know that 80% of federal spending on Planned Parenthood doesn't have anything to do with preventing pregnancy, or does the fact that abortions are provided by a portion of Planned Parenthood clinics enough to taint them beyond any good they do helping to prevent cancer or treat other diseases?


The argument I've seen from most conservatives is that because dollars are fungible, any federal money spent on Planned Parenthood frees up money for them to spend on abortion.  By that logic, I should not get a mortgage interest deduction because I might use that saved money for hookers and blow.
 
2013-08-09 02:13:10 PM

feanorn: Lost Thought 00: Spend 10 million to determine if 1 million was wasted

So as long as an agency wastes less money than it costs to investigate it's OK?


You read good.
 
2013-08-09 02:16:17 PM

jjorsett: TofuTheAlmighty: And when the GAO completely exonerates Planned Parenthood from all impropriety the report will be flushed down the GOP memory hole.

And when it finds impropriety, the excuse-makers will be saying "It was only $X of waste, fraud, and abuse, what's the big deal? We flush a thousand times that amount down the military/oil subsidies/yachts for Wall Street bankers every year."


The government should be run like a business. Except when it's not. Then it should waste money.
 
2013-08-09 02:36:56 PM

jjorsett: TofuTheAlmighty: And when the GAO completely exonerates Planned Parenthood from all impropriety the report will be flushed down the GOP memory hole.

And when it finds impropriety, the excuse-makers will be saying "It was only $X of waste, fraud, and abuse, what's the big deal? We flush a thousand times that amount down the military/oil subsidies/yachts for Wall Street bankers every year."


No process is absolutely pristine; everything is tainted by waste, fraud, and abuse.  It's a question of how big of a problem it is compared to other similar processes and whether the cost of inspection and resolution exceeds the cost of the abuse.
 
2013-08-09 02:42:06 PM

Stile4aly: The argument I've seen from most conservatives is that because dollars are fungible, any federal money spent on Planned Parenthood frees up money for them to spend on abortion.  By that logic, I should not get a mortgage interest deduction because I might use that saved money for hookers and blow.


They are also OK with churches receiving government money for soup kitchens.  Of course that money frees up other funds to be used for sectarian purposes.
 
2013-08-09 02:44:29 PM

Stile4aly: The argument I've seen from most conservatives is that because dollars are fungible, any federal money spent on Planned Parenthood frees up money for them to spend on abortion. By that logic, I should not get a mortgage interest deduction because I might use that saved money for hookers and blow.


I sympathize with that argument on some level. It drives me nuts that states get away with claiming their lottery revenues fund education but when they suddenly see an increase in (inflation-adjusted) lottery revenue it doesn't lead to an increase in real education spending usually but rather a cutting of the general fund budget committed to education. The problem is that this cuts both ways: should Catholic hospitals be ineligible for Medicaid funds on a church/state division basis? The "keep them separate on paper" compromise prevents the perfect from being the enemy of the good.

I think another problem is that requires an implicit assumption that abortion is a goal of PP: that they WANT to perform more abortions than they already do and are scamming the government to accomplish that.
 
2013-08-09 03:22:22 PM
Yeah, about that...

I have a G/F in Dallas, we are old folks and reponsible about sex. No sluttiness involved, she has two college-age sons whom she's justifyable proud of and no plans to have more. We love each other and have lots of sex whenever we can, which is (I should think) a human right. She goes to Planned Parenthood for birth control because her health plan sucks.

We had a scare recently... She went through weeks of morning sickness, and her period was weeks late. Basically she miscarried 12 weeks in.

But that got me thinking... We're both in our late 40's, and both have either jobs or hobbies that would damage the heck out of our chromosmes. There is no way in hell that it would be right by any child we could produce.

Planned Parenthood serves a purpose. There's a huge "OMG! ABORTION!" factor, but dammit, PP *IS* thinking about the children, you numbnuts! And there is a reason abortion is a legitmate procedure.
 
2013-08-09 03:53:43 PM

maxheck: I have a G/F in Dallas, we are old folks and reponsible about sex. No sluttiness involved, she has two college-age sons whom she's justifyable proud of and no plans to have more. We love each other and have lots of sex whenever we can, which is (I should think) a human right. She goes to Planned Parenthood for birth control because her health plan sucks.


Old people having sex?  *shudders*
 
2013-08-09 04:00:24 PM
Satanic_Hamster:

maxheck: I have a G/F in Dallas, we are old folks and reponsible about sex. No sluttiness involved, she has two college-age sons whom she's justifyable proud of and no plans to have more. We love each other and have lots of sex whenever we can, which is (I should think) a human right. She goes to Planned Parenthood for birth control because her health plan sucks.

Old people having sex? *shudders*


Yah, sorry. Just know that eventually you'll be that person. IF YOU'RE LUCKY! :P
 
2013-08-09 06:07:53 PM
And when the results come back showing that Planned Parenthood doesn't spend a dime of government fund on abortion and showing that they are the biggest and most cost-effective provider of health services in the country, I am certain Fox News will report the results with breathless integrity.
 
2013-08-09 06:52:58 PM

DeaH: And when the results come back showing that Planned Parenthood doesn't spend a dime of government fund on abortion and showing that they are the biggest and most cost-effective provider of health services in the country, I am certain Fox News will report the results with breathless integrity.


Look a few threads up. They're already claiming that, because PP is being investigated, it's OBVIOUSLY corrupt. Despite them being the ones that called for the investigation in the first place.

They're witch-hunt tactics that would make the Inquisition proud.
 
2013-08-09 07:27:44 PM

LordJiro: DeaH: And when the results come back showing that Planned Parenthood doesn't spend a dime of government fund on abortion and showing that they are the biggest and most cost-effective provider of health services in the country, I am certain Fox News will report the results with breathless integrity.

Look a few threads up. They're already claiming that, because PP is being investigated, it's OBVIOUSLY corrupt. Despite them being the ones that called for the investigation in the first place.

They're witch-hunt tactics that would make the Inquisition proud.


They did not think their witch hunting out very well. The GAO is an independent body. Sure, Republican pretty much forced them to investigate, but Republicans will not be controlling the investigation, itself. Planned Parenthood is meticulous. Anyone with half a brain should already know what the GAO will find. And report. In a very public report that anyone can access. All the congressional Republicans have done is set up a situation where the will be evidence to support their opposition, evidence supported by the independent investigation arm of the United States government, evidence that will carry all the more weight because their propaganda arm is touting the investigation so heavily.

The lack of brain behind this makes me wonder how any one of the fifty who called for this investigation can maintain even basic autonomic functions.
 
2013-08-09 07:44:20 PM

DeaH: They did not think their witch hunting out very well. The GAO is an independent body. Sure, Republican pretty much forced them to investigate, but Republicans will not be controlling the investigation, itself. Planned Parenthood is meticulous. Anyone with half a brain should already know what the GAO will find. And report. In a very public report that anyone can access. All the congressional Republicans have done is set up a situation where the will be evidence to support their opposition, evidence supported by the independent investigation arm of the United States government, evidence that will carry all the more weight because their propaganda arm is touting the investigation so heavily.

The lack of brain behind this makes me wonder how any one of the fifty who called for this investigation can maintain even basic autonomic functions.


They don't care.  They'll never report on the findings on Fox News, just the fact that they were investigated.  And they'll drop hints that since it's the GOVERNMENT Accounting Office, that means it's controlled by OBAMA.
 
2013-08-09 11:49:53 PM

Satanic_Hamster: They don't care. They'll never report on the findings on Fox News, just the fact that they were investigated. And they'll drop hints that since it's the GOVERNMENT Accounting Office, that means it's controlled by OBAMA.


Aaaayuuuuup.
 
2013-08-10 03:11:41 AM

DeaH: And when the results come back showing that Planned Parenthood doesn't spend a dime of government fund on abortion and showing that they are the biggest and most cost-effective provider of health services in the country, I am certain Fox News will report the results with breathless integrity.


Someone will find a paperclip that was bought with tax payer dollars that was used on an abortion patient's paperwork and the outrage will be epic.
 
2013-08-10 12:16:22 PM

Graffito: DeaH: And when the results come back showing that Planned Parenthood doesn't spend a dime of government fund on abortion and showing that they are the biggest and most cost-effective provider of health services in the country, I am certain Fox News will report the results with breathless integrity.

Someone will find a paperclip that was bought with tax payer dollars that was used on an abortion patient's paperwork and the outrage will be epic.


If the Republicans were conducting the investigation, there'd be all kinds of trumped-up charges. The GAO is different. This was not a well-thought-out plan.
 
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