clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?
Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?
Debeo Summa Credo: Of course it does. If I'm being forced to chip in for pizza, I might as well grab a slice.
Mr. Eugenides: Karac: As for merit pay, here's a short list of things which contribute to how well a student does in class:how good the teacher ishow good last years teacher washow much the parents help out at homehow much the parents are able to help out at home, and how much time they spend working two jobswhether the kid got a good nights sleepwhether the kid got a decent mealhow good their neighborhood is - how much local tax dollars are able to be spent on the school districtIn short, there's a very large amount of factors - if not the majority of factors - which go into how well a child learns that are COMPLETELY out of the control of the teacher. And if it's out of their hands why should their pay be docked for it?Merit pay addresses the top two elements on your list. It give teachers a financial incentive to make sure the kids in their class do well.The "it doesn't do everything so we shouldn't do it at all" argument isn't very helpful.
lisse24: It's his outspokenness in favor of public schools and then deciding to send his children to a private school because he "has no choice, really" that makes him a hypocrite.
lisse24: As a person who works in education
Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore. He's opting out, and any policies that he advocates for or against won't affect his kids.
MattStafford: The argument that many libertarians would make is that it would be idiotic not to take advantage of a service that you are paying for. Basically - I disagree with this whole process, but unfortunately I pay taxes to fund the school, so I can avail myself of its use if I want to.
Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools?
Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?I think it's the lack of a good education and graduation rates in many schools that concern people. Not the pursuit of a good education.Matt Damon and others only reinforce the same policies and administration that have left millions trapped in a poverty,These families are living the broken earth while he is the one actually living in Elysium.Waiting for Superman addressed all this crap but was ignored and buried .http://youtu.be/ZKTfaro96dgIt's easier to just "derp" Romney "derp" republicans "derp" white guys. Rather than dig in and do the real work.Matt Damon didn't change one damn thing with his little feel good speech.
Truther: As other have pointed out, why doesnt he send his kids there and work to make those schools better? As he TELLS EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.
austerity101: FIELDS: Matt Damon said he didn't want to send his children there because it wasn't progressive enough. What about Americans who think the public school system is too progressive? What if they want a school with Christian values. They can't send their kids there.Um, people send their kids to conservative Christian schools all the damn time.
Wooly Bully: Truther: Stoopid Fox News.I feel so bad for Matt Damon and his children. The poor guy is being forced to send his kids to private school because of the right wing nut jobs that run the LA Public School system.For shame, America. For shame...OK, you're trolling, but for anyone who's interested, here's a good article on the decline of California's public education system:http://www.salon.com/2012/10/02/california_educations_painful_declin e/It will come as no surprise to anyone with a functional cerebrum that this decline wasn't precipitated by a bunch of goddamned lefty teachers.
ManRay: Karac: ManRay: Matt Damon opted out of the public school system because it sucks and he can.I hope he starts advocating for everyone to have the same choice available.Public schools are public because they're required to take all comers. They can't reject anyone, and they're supported by public dollars.Now, if you think everyone should have the same choice then you're limited to a few options:1) As it is now: where if you have the money and your kid's well enough behaved, you can send him to a private school.2) You drop public schools, and tell people to send their kids to private schools without supporting them - basically doing away with widespread education and literacy.3) Require private schools to take all comers - which would basically turn them into public schools.1) So if you don't have the money you are condemned to whatever school the government provides?2) Who is advocating that? No one. "The money follows the student" is not "defund everything, everyone is on their own".3) Public schools with (likely) different standards? OK. Matt Damon wanted a more progressive education for his kids and the public school does not provide that so he choose something else because he has the means to.Matt Damon is a big supporter of teachers and public schools because his mother was a teacher. He looked at the public school his children would go to and determined they were not a good fit. I respect that choice. I want the single mother in the 'hood to have the same options (even within the public school district) as MD does.
BMFPitt: And any place where such schools could find parents willing to send their kids there probably has the same thing going on in public schools right now. At least that would be cheaper for the taxpayers, leaving more money to fund actual good schools for the kids that have a chance.
BMFPitt: I don't share your opinion that teachers are interchangeable cogs who are incapable of producing measurable results or demonstrating varying levels of skill to observers. I also can't comprehend why you call the giving of higher raises to some to be docking the pay of others.
BMFPitt: You think that punching him solves some of the factors? Well given the rest of your logic, I'm not surprised.
ltr77: BMFPitt:Reforms such as what?School choice, school competition, merit pay, parent triggers, etc.None of which work. Even NRO wrote an article the other day how school choice doesn't work. Of course, they promised if only we spent MORE money on it it would. If we want a system that works, we should emulate Finland the best system in the world. However, the current crop of school reformers seem more keen on emulating Somalia.
Confabulat: I'm a hypocrite about all sorts of things. Most every person I know is, in one way or another. Fine with me, I'm rarely consistent in my thoughts throughout the day, so what? I don't care. Calling me a hypocrite won't hurt my feelings because it's not an insult. It's who we are as human beings.
BMFPitt: Karac: BMFPitt: Corvus: So he wants better public schools for other people even though he would not directly benefit from it.STRING HIM UP!!Maybe he likes the idea of them being better, but he actively works to prevent the types of reforms that would improve them.Reforms such as what?School choice, school competition, merit pay, parent triggers, etc.
BMFPitt: Corvus: So he wants better public schools for other people even though he would not directly benefit from it.STRING HIM UP!!Maybe he likes the idea of them being better, but he actively works to prevent the types of reforms that would improve them.
IrateShadow: the school is free to expel problem students.
Dancin_In_Anson: clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?No, he won life's lottery and can afford things that the shrinking middle class and lower classes can't. Probably takes advantage of all kinds of tax loopholes in order to keep from paying his fair share too.
LordJiro: You can never truly eradicate poverty
tenpoundsofcheese: theknuckler_33: FIELDS: He loves talking them up, but doesn't want to send his kids there.You know, he said he didn't have a choice. He had to do it. Actually he did have a choice. The people who don't have a choice are the rest of Americans who don't have Matt Damon's bank account and can't afford to send their kids to a private school....HANNITY: She's brining up a point you're ignoring. Why not give every American a choice?You heard it here first, America. Sean Hannity advocating giving every American the money they need to send their kids to private schools.No wonder you don't like hannity - you make up things about what he said.
EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: Of course it does. If I'm being forced to chip in for pizza, I might as well grab a slice.I see your taxes helped bankroll the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well. May I ask how long you stayed there, you know, to grab a slice of what you paid for?
cenobyte40k: He is not telling people they must use public schools and then he doesn't. He is telling people that we should support better public education, which he does, but doesn't think it's good enough yet, so he sends his kids to private school.
Xcott: Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools?And while we're at it, why doesn't this make libertarians hypocrites if they go to a public school? Doesn't this very simple line of thought go both ways?
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