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2013-08-09 10:27:33 AM
Kidgenius

  Very simple. Smart kids serve as inspirations and role models for the other kids. If you are surrounded by nothing but dullards there is NO motivation to excel. Robert Goddard, the rocket scientist, says in his autobiography that he was inspired to become proficient at mathematics because he got tired of a real smart girl in his class ALWAYS coming up with the right answers. He decided to buckle down at math so that he could out preform her. Had that girl NOT gone to public school the principles of rocketry may have gone undiscovered for a generation.

  By keeping smart kids only in schools for other smart kids public schools will continue to slide into mediocrity, housing only dullards.

  Is that clear enough for you?
 
2013-08-09 10:27:37 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: theknuckler_33: FIELDS: He loves talking them up, but doesn't want to send his kids there.
You know, he said he didn't have a choice. He had to do it. Actually he did have a choice. The people who don't have a choice are the rest of Americans who don't have Matt Damon's bank account and can't afford to send their kids to a private school.
...
HANNITY: She's brining up a point you're ignoring. Why not give every American a choice?

You heard it here first, America. Sean Hannity advocating giving every American the money they need to send their kids to private schools.

No wonder you don't like hannity - you make up things about what he said.


How is he proposing every American have a choice when the reason they don't have a choice is because they can't afford it? That's a neat trick without giving them the money to be able to send their kids to private school so that they can make the choice.

Oh right, the idea is get RID of the funding for public schools and replace it with a voucher program that pays a tiny fraction of private school tuition, but covers most of the old public schools that now are even more under funded than before and let call that "school choice", amirite?

*jerking motion*
 
2013-08-09 10:28:42 AM

kidgenius: Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.

You sure about that?

He has a stake in the quality of public schools because that's where most kids get their education. When those kids grow up they become doctors, nurses, lawyers, politicians, engineers, etc. They end up serving a vital role in society. Hell, he may have to rely on a doctor at some point in his life, so it is definitely in his best interest that kids have a good education, as his future doctor may have been a student of a public school.


The question shouldn't be whether I'm sure about that, it should be whether Matt Damon is sure about that.  Although at this point he's probably been picked on enough already.

Plus, even a shiatty public school system can produce a few good doctors, lawyers, etc.  (You know, like in the country we live in right now.)  There's a whole selection process after public school -- they have to get into college, get into med school, pass the board exam, etc, all to make sure that only the best and brightest get that "M.D." after their name.  Finding a good doctor is not going to be a problem for Matt Damon, with his money.
 
2013-08-09 10:34:19 AM

Super_pope: lisse24: He has purposefully aligned himself with a group that says, "Public schools are great! We don't need to change anything."

I suspect that public schools would work just fine if wages hadn't stagnated over the last 30 years, and most families could still get by with a single earner.  Our home lives have changed drastically in the last 40 years, and school funding (and the law) have not progressed to the point of being able to deal with dramatically increased absenteeism of parents.  We rely more and more on schools to raise children with dramatically expanded liability for any actions they might or might not take, but we haven't looked at the system and said, "We're paying these people to simultaneous parent AND teach a room of 30 kids.  Maybe we should figure out what goes into doing ALL that."

Here's an idea, maybe we put two teachers in each room.  Put one of them in charge of teaching certain subjects, one in charge of others (maybe an educated scientific professional teaching math and science, leaning on the other's teaching degree for supervision so they don't have to have multiple degrees and extra masters programs or whatever to teach) and have the other enforcing discipline while the active teacher runs lessons.


Your idea is pretty commonplace now.
 
2013-08-09 10:35:47 AM

Delawheredad: Kidgenius

  Very simple. Smart kids serve as inspirations and role models for the other kids. If you are surrounded by nothing but dullards there is NO motivation to excel. Robert Goddard, the rocket scientist, says in his autobiography that he was inspired to become proficient at mathematics because he got tired of a real smart girl in his class ALWAYS coming up with the right answers. He decided to buckle down at math so that he could out preform her. Had that girl NOT gone to public school the principles of rocketry may have gone undiscovered for a generation.

  By keeping smart kids only in schools for other smart kids public schools will continue to slide into mediocrity, housing only dullards.

  Is that clear enough for you?


I don't think that's true at all. By and large, kids are not looking at the smart kid in class as role models.
 
2013-08-09 10:36:13 AM

eiger: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?

I think it's the lack of a good education and graduation rates in many schools that concern people.
 Not the pursuit of a good education.
Matt Damon and others only reinforce the same policies and administration that have left millions trapped in a poverty,
These families are living the broken earth while he is the one actually living in Elysium.

Waiting for Superman addressed all this crap but was ignored and buried .http://youtu.be/ZKTfaro96dg

It's easier to just "derp" Romney "derp" republicans "derp" white guys. Rather than dig in and do the real work.
Matt Damon didn't change one damn thing with his little feel good speech.

The fundamental problem has been shown, over and over again by those who actually study it to be poverty, not the "quality" of the schools. You fix poverty, you fix education. Of course there are powerful groups in this country who have a vested interest in ignoring this and instead blaming the "schools" by which they usually mean teachers.


War on Poverty?  Awesome idea, we can totes win that one.
 
2013-08-09 10:37:18 AM

karmaceutical: I was waiting for this.  The wing nutters are PISSED about Elysium.  Is it rife with SOCIALISM.  They don't quite understand it, but they are CONVINCED this movie has some bad things to say about Rich People and Capitalism.


The right needs a new face for Hollywood Libruls.  They can't use George Clooney now that he's spending his time and money trying to stop genocide in Africa.
 
2013-08-09 10:42:16 AM

coeyagi: peter21: To be fair, word is Hannity is about to be bumped from his timeslot by Megyn Kelly's new show, so he may have just reached DerpCon 5. Or, perhaps it was just a typical evening on 'Hannity'.

Time for Sean to pull himself up by his anagramed cowboy bootstraps and get to work.

Hatnity?  Nithany?  Annhity?  Tanhiny?


Arrrgghhh! It's early. My vocabulary hasn't come on line yet.
 
2013-08-09 10:42:37 AM
Frank N Stein

  Kids today may say that they are not looking up to the smart kids but EVERYBODY wants As on their report card. Yes there are a lot of lazy kids in schools and our society in general does not revere intelligence but that is a societal problem not confined to just the public school system. However as long as the smart kids are segregated in their own schools the public schools are only going to get progressively worse. There is no doubt about that.
 
2013-08-09 10:43:09 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: eiger: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?

I think it's the lack of a good education and graduation rates in many schools that concern people.
 Not the pursuit of a good education.
Matt Damon and others only reinforce the same policies and administration that have left millions trapped in a poverty,
These families are living the broken earth while he is the one actually living in Elysium.

Waiting for Superman addressed all this crap but was ignored and buried .http://youtu.be/ZKTfaro96dg

It's easier to just "derp" Romney "derp" republicans "derp" white guys. Rather than dig in and do the real work.
Matt Damon didn't change one damn thing with his little feel good speech.

The fundamental problem has been shown, over and over again by those who actually study it to be poverty, not the "quality" of the schools. You fix poverty, you fix education. Of course there are powerful groups in this country who have a vested interest in ignoring this and instead blaming the "schools" by which they usually mean teachers.

War on Poverty?  Awesome idea, we can totes win that one.


You can never truly eradicate poverty, true. But we can do a HELL of a lot better than we are now. Raising the minimum wage to a sensible level would be a good start, and then maybe we can work on giving incentives to corporations that don't outsource. Putting time and money into improving the public school system would be a good idea, too.
 
2013-08-09 10:46:11 AM

Onkel Buck: Why doesn't Obama (or other rich liberals, Damon) send their kids to 'good' public schools?

Because, seperate but equal, still means something to some people.


You mean... Separate by money and access, but allegedly equal in representation?


Yeah... That's a big fat joke there.
We're separated by MONEY.
America is a CAPITALIST country where if you have money you send your kids to the best private schools available.
Even if you're a bleeding heart liberal who says we have 'fantastic public schools for everyone'.

Shenanigans.  Malarkey!
 
2013-08-09 10:46:15 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?

No, he won life's lottery and can afford things that the shrinking middle class and lower classes can't. Probably takes advantage of all kinds of tax loopholes in order to keep from paying his fair share too.


So, I guess you agree that such loopholes should be closed?
 
2013-08-09 10:46:27 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: War on Poverty?  Awesome idea, we can totes win that one.


Did you know 99.6% of "poor" people own a fridge? sounds like we are winning.
 
2013-08-09 10:47:03 AM

Delawheredad: Frank N Stein

  Kids today may say that they are not looking up to the smart kids but EVERYBODY wants As on their report card. Yes there are a lot of lazy kids in schools and our society in general does not revere intelligence but that is a societal problem not confined to just the public school system. However as long as the smart kids are segregated in their own schools the public schools are only going to get progressively worse. There is no doubt about that.


Eh, maybe. For me personally, there's not a chance in hell I'd send my kid to my old high school (or any school like it). I'd honestly homeschool the kid before I did that. I guess in a roundabout way my old shiatty school did inspire me.
 
2013-08-09 10:47:06 AM
Why is this not on the Entertainment tab? Was Matt elected to something?
 
2013-08-09 10:50:05 AM

Arkanaut: I suppose that a good alternative would be if, while he's doing his activist work, he's also surveying parents and teachers and such -- and we don't know that he's not.  But he's still not putting anything at risk.  Put it this way -- if you're an activist investor, not only do you stand to gain if the executives listen to your proposals, but you also stand to lose if they don't work out; that gives you more credibility than if you're just a protester outside the office building with a bullhorn with no ties to the company.  Matt Damon has enough money to be the activist investor, but he's choosing instead to be the guy with a bullhorn.


Why is it hypercritical to advocate for better education for all citizens, regardless of economic status, while giving his own children the best opportunities he can provide? Given enough money, purchasing a private education will always outperform a public education. But, the majority of people  cannot afford to provide this for their children. What is wrong with advocating for the improvement of this public service?

To use another hyperbolic example: do you need to live in a famish stricken third world nation in order to donate to charities like the Children's Hunger Fund without being a hypocrite?
 
2013-08-09 10:50:44 AM

imontheinternet: karmaceutical: I was waiting for this.  The wing nutters are PISSED about Elysium.  Is it rife with SOCIALISM.  They don't quite understand it, but they are CONVINCED this movie has some bad things to say about Rich People and Capitalism.

The right needs a new face for Hollywood Libruls.  They can't use George Clooney now that he's spending his time and money trying to stop genocide in Africa.


I was just perusing the IMDB comments on Elysium the other day.  Honestly, I was just trying to figure out if it was reasonable to take my 11 year old to.  I didn't expect to run into a full-tilt derpstorm.  See Dr.Mxyzptlk's post above... this derp flows from down from a common large intestine.
 
2013-08-09 10:52:46 AM

LordJiro: You can never truly eradicate poverty


Of course you could. If you literally just GAVE every man, woman and child in the United States who are currently living in poverty a stipend of $1 above the poverty line it would cost about $130bn less than the defense budget alone.

And it wouldn't even cost that much because most of those people actually make some small amount of income and wouldn't need the full stipend to meet the criteria.

I understand your point but.... it's not really THAT monumental of a problem considering our incredible wealth, we just aren't willing to even try.
 
2013-08-09 10:53:07 AM
HYPOCRISY IS EXCLUSIVELY A LIBERAL TRAIT.  NO CONSERVATIVE HAS EVER BEEN A HYPOCRITE.

/and like such as
 
2013-08-09 10:53:32 AM

tuna fingers: Wooly Bully: No clicks for dicks!

Would anyone who suffered through this be kind enough to summarize (beyond a simple "derp")?

I watched the entire embedded video.  Some really hot chick just kept cutting everyone off in a sorority type of nasally voice.  Weird boner happened at this users end.


Thanks, man. And I feel you on the "unwanted boner" thing; it's always disturbing to be turned on by someone you detest. Hormones are stupid.
 
2013-08-09 10:55:47 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: His hypocrisy comes from the disconnect of his preaching and his actions, not whether he is paying taxes.


Except him paying taxes IS an action. One that he engages in, as you freely acknowledge. Therefore, his actions are consistent with his views on public schooling by the very criteria that you offered (i.e. paying taxes that fund certain services or programs).
 
2013-08-09 10:57:25 AM

soupafi: I don't have kids yet but I will be sending them to private schools. But I always vote yes on school tax levies because public schools need help. Am I a bad person?


You are history's greatest monster (mainly because you align your thoughts with a known communist).
 
2013-08-09 10:57:57 AM
Whatever poutrage Fox is running aside, FARK ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST IMPROVING ACCESS TO HIGHER QUALITY EDUCATION.  Fark them more when they opt out of the poverty trap they support for others.
 
2013-08-09 10:59:00 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?

That's a bingo.


tinfoilhatman45.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-09 11:00:07 AM

Hickory-smoked: So, I guess you agree that such loopholes should be closed?


The entire tax code should be scrapped but that's for another thread.
 
2013-08-09 11:02:00 AM

Headso: Zeb Hesselgresser: War on Poverty?  Awesome idea, we can totes win that one.

Did you know 99.6% of "poor" people own a fridge? sounds like we are winning.


My fridge is broke, so I got a kick out of your reply.  And you and jiro is right you can't eradicate poverty, but we've certainly given it a good beating.
 
2013-08-09 11:05:46 AM

bulldg4life: It is abhorrent that he is advocating for a publicly available minimum standard of education. Absolutely terrible.


It this isn't the definition of sedition, then the definition of sedition needs to be changed.

Hey, it works for history books.
 
2013-08-09 11:06:01 AM

Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.


White people did not have a stake in the civil rights of black people, that did not prevent some white people to be active in the civil right fight.
 
2013-08-09 11:06:01 AM
Mind you, this is Hannity we're talking about; the same guy who puts his name on Freedom Concerts that give about 10% of their take to the families of the war vets that he supports so wholeheartedly, so we're not exactly talking about a man with a whole lot of integrity or moral certitude.

His job is to spin any event, any topic, any thing into illustrations of the polar nature of the process, which essentially comes down to Our Side, Their Side, and Their Side is always bad. and Our Side is always good. It's not terribly good journalism, but that is what passes for journalism today...
 
2013-08-09 11:07:06 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: toomuchwhargarbl: clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?

That's a bingo.

[tinfoilhatman45.files.wordpress.com image 338x301]


Pretty dang much. How dare folks send their kids to a private school and NOT ask for a handout...
 
2013-08-09 11:07:29 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?

No, he won life's lottery and can afford things that the shrinking middle class and lower classes can't. Probably takes advantage of all kinds of tax loopholes in order to keep from paying his fair share too.


Are you saying that you just file a 1040EZ and take zero deductions so that, you know, you pay your fair share?
 
2013-08-09 11:07:35 AM
Public High School graduation rates by state - 2009:

http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?year=2009&level=nation&mode=map & state=0&submeasure=36
 
2013-08-09 11:09:37 AM

theknuckler_33: Public High School graduation rates by state - 2009:

http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?year=2009&level=nation&mode=map & state=0&submeasure=36


Hmm. Try this.
 
2013-08-09 11:09:46 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: And you and jiro is right you can't eradicate poverty, but we've certainly given it a good beating.


That's only true in relation to other, unlike nations.

By the OECD's measure of poverty (the line being ess than half the median income, which, by household, corresponds closely to how the U.S. also defines poverty), we have the fourth highest poverty rate among the thirty three OECD nations.
 
2013-08-09 11:11:20 AM

tuna fingers: Your idea is pretty commonplace now.


Is it?  I've never seen multiple teachers running one room of 30 kids.  Wife worked at a school as an SLP and never mentioned anything like that being commonly done.
 
2013-08-09 11:11:59 AM

theknuckler_33: theknuckler_33: Public High School graduation rates by state - 2009:

http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?year=2009&level=nation&mode=map & state=0&submeasure=36

Hmm. Try this.



That's "on time" graduation rates.  Just to be clear, the conversations and graphs and statistics that purport to show graduation rates almost always show the lower "on time" graduation rates.
 
2013-08-09 11:13:18 AM
No, he won life's lottery and can afford things that the shrinking middle class and lower classes can't. Probably takes advantage of all kinds of tax loopholes in order to keep from paying his fair share too.

wow, DIA is jealous of the wealthy
 
2013-08-09 11:13:24 AM

Super_pope: tuna fingers: Your idea is pretty commonplace now.

Is it?  I've never seen multiple teachers running one room of 30 kids.  Wife worked at a school as an SLP and never mentioned anything like that being commonly done.



It's not commonly done except with SpEd students.
 
2013-08-09 11:13:27 AM

Delawheredad: Frank N Stein

  Kids today may say that they are not looking up to the smart kids but EVERYBODY wants As on their report card.


Hyperbole much?

Sure, everybode may like A's on their report card. But very few actually want to put the work in that is required to get those A's. Most kids would rather watch tv, hangout, etc. than doing their book reports and studying for a math test.

Just as many, if not more, kids are likely ostracized for being intelligent and may prefer to not excel and show how smart they are, than there are kids that get inspired by the smart ones.
 
2013-08-09 11:13:43 AM

hubiestubert: DarkSoulNoHope: toomuchwhargarbl: clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?

That's a bingo.

[tinfoilhatman45.files.wordpress.com image 338x301]

Pretty dang much. How dare folks send their kids to a private school and NOT ask for a handout...


The conservatives need to find some way to legally bleed the public school system dry. So when they can make it collapse, they can then rescind all those vouchers and make education only affordable to "Good, wealthy, Christian folk".
 
2013-08-09 11:14:09 AM
lisse24He has purposefully aligned himself with a group that says, "Public schools are great! We don't need to change anything."

I know lots of people have beaten up on you already but I'd like to add to the dogpile by pointing out that a minor amount of research shows that the group Damon works with, Save Our Schools, has proposed a number of strategies to improve education.
 
2013-08-09 11:14:16 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Waiting for Superman addressed all this crap but was ignored and buried


Waiting for Superman was an awful hit job on the New York Teachers' union. The only reason carter schools work (and even that's debatable) is because they have some leeway to act like a private school.  The people that go to them have to fight toget in, so they actually want to be there, and the school is free to expel problem students.  Those advantages would go away completely if you used them as a replacement for the current public school system.
 
2013-08-09 11:16:51 AM

manbart: Arkanaut: I suppose that a good alternative would be if, while he's doing his activist work, he's also surveying parents and teachers and such -- and we don't know that he's not.  But he's still not putting anything at risk.  Put it this way -- if you're an activist investor, not only do you stand to gain if the executives listen to your proposals, but you also stand to lose if they don't work out; that gives you more credibility than if you're just a protester outside the office building with a bullhorn with no ties to the company.  Matt Damon has enough money to be the activist investor, but he's choosing instead to be the guy with a bullhorn.

Why is it hypercritical to advocate for better education for all citizens, regardless of economic status, while giving his own children the best opportunities he can provide? Given enough money, purchasing a private education will always outperform a public education. But, the majority of people  cannot afford to provide this for their children. What is wrong with advocating for the improvement of this public service?

To use another hyperbolic example: do you need to live in a famish stricken third world nation in order to donate to charities like the Children's Hunger Fund without being a hypocrite?


I didn't say he was hypocritical.  (That was tenpounds.)  I said he doesn't have credibility.
 
2013-08-09 11:17:01 AM

HeadKase: Are you saying that you just file a 1040EZ and take zero deductions so that, you know, you pay your fair share?


Not just no but shiat farking hell no. I squeeze every last deduction that I can out of my tax bill.
 
2013-08-09 11:17:04 AM
tenpoundsofcheese:
forum.sportsmogul.com
 
2013-08-09 11:17:23 AM
Wait'll they find out there are some parents who are pro-choice.
 
2013-08-09 11:17:50 AM
Public schools aren't progressive enough for my kids. I'm glad I went to a public school, but I wish today's public schools were supported enough to meet my ideals of what my children should have. Today's public schools aren't progressive enough because they aren't being supported enough. Therefore I'm sending my kids to private school to get them the quality progressive education they deserve.

If you see hypocrisy in the above statement, you might be a partisan asshat.
 
2013-08-09 11:18:29 AM

IrateShadow: the school is free to expel problem students.


A friend of my wife had a little boy that was a douchebag they sent him to private school in 1st grade and by the second week he was kicked out of school. The freedom to kick out problem kids is a huuuuge advantage that makes the two types of schools incomparable.
 
2013-08-09 11:18:44 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Yeah, have to agree with libs on this one. Couldn't someone say "our public schools suck, therefore Im forced to send my kids to private school?" without being a hypocrite?

Almost every upper middle class or higher white liberal in manhattan sends their kids to private school.


Also: Every elite conservative.
 
2013-08-09 11:19:21 AM

Wulfman: theknuckler_33: theknuckler_33: Public High School graduation rates by state - 2009:

http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?year=2009&level=nation&mode=map & state=0&submeasure=36

Hmm. Try this.


That's "on time" graduation rates.  Just to be clear, the conversations and graphs and statistics that purport to show graduation rates almost always show the lower "on time" graduation rates.


Fair enough. I was just interested in the region of the country that is generally responsible for holding down the national rate.
 
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