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2013-08-09 09:27:19 AM  

cenobyte40k: He is not telling people they must use public schools and then he doesn't. He is telling people that we should support better public education, which he does, but doesn't think it's good enough yet, so he sends his kids to private school.


And, in so doing, he is improving the public school system- he contributes taxes to the system but doesn't consume its resources (directly).
 
2013-08-09 09:27:20 AM  

EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: Of course it does. If I'm being forced to chip in for pizza, I might as well grab a slice.

I see your taxes helped bankroll the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well. May I ask how long you stayed there, you know, to grab a slice of what you paid for?


We all grab a slice of Iraq when we drive to work.
 
2013-08-09 09:29:52 AM  

Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.  He's opting out, and any policies that he advocates for or against won't affect his kids.


...if you've never received food-stamps and medicaid, you cannot have an opinion on social welfare sepnding
...if you've never been to space, you cannot have an opinion on NASA's funding.
...If you've never been employed by an intelligence agency, you cannot have an opinion on government surveillance.


/derp
 
2013-08-09 09:30:38 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Yeah, have to agree with libs on this one. Couldn't someone say "our public schools suck, therefore Im forced to send my kids to private school?" without being a hypocrite?

Almost every upper middle class or higher white liberal in manhattan sends their kids to private school.


It depends.  In this case Damon has made a point of opposing any and all school reforms.  He has purposefully aligned himself with a group that says, "Public schools are great!  We don't need to change anything."  It's his outspokenness in favor of public schools and then deciding to send his children to a private school because he "has no choice, really"  that makes him a hypocrite.

As a person who works in education, I can't agree with Damon's views, but I'd respect them a lot more if he put his money where his mouth was and sent his kids to public school.
 
2013-08-09 09:32:36 AM  

lisse24: It's his outspokenness in favor of public schools and then deciding to send his children to a private school because he "has no choice, really" that makes him a hypocrite.


lisse24: As a person who works in education


Jeezus, I hope you aren't teaching logic.
 
2013-08-09 09:35:23 AM  

Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?


Conservatives have a hard time distinguishing "nuance" from "hypocrisy", especially when liberals are involved.

"I'm sending my kids to private school, but I recognize that not everyone can afford that, and therefore support good public schools so that education is available to all children" is hard to fit on a bumper sticker.
 
2013-08-09 09:35:33 AM  

lisse24: Debeo Summa Credo: Yeah, have to agree with libs on this one. Couldn't someone say "our public schools suck, therefore Im forced to send my kids to private school?" without being a hypocrite?

Almost every upper middle class or higher white liberal in manhattan sends their kids to private school.

It depends.  In this case Damon has made a point of opposing any and all school reforms.  He has purposefully aligned himself with a group that says, "Public schools are great!  We don't need to change anything."  It's his outspokenness in favor of public schools and then deciding to send his children to a private school because he "has no choice, really"  that makes him a hypocrite.

As a person who works in education, I can't agree with Damon's views, but I'd respect them a lot more if he put his money where his mouth was and sent his kids to public school.


www.dowackado.com
 
2013-08-09 09:37:34 AM  

Ivandrago: I had a great elementary education at public school and a terrible middle school education at a public school. The public high school I was zoned for was horrid as well and my parents decided I'd be better served by a private, single-sex catholic school.


I went to five public schools in six years. Got re-zoned three times between 1st and 4th grade, then moved about 200 yards up the street and into another district for 5th grade, then up to middle school. After a terrible 6th grade year, my parents bit the bullet and sent me to a very small Catholic school (my mom was abused by nuns back in the day, so this was a big, big bridge for her to cross). I chose to go to a single-sex Catholic high school.

/Raised a lapsed Catholic
//Once neglected to do the only homework assignment in religion class, and got an F for the quarter. My mother was waiting for me at the door with the "I got a call from your principal! What class did you fail?!" and, when I said "Religion," she shrugged and said "well, at least it wasn't anything important."
///I am where I am because of that "send him to Detroit Our Lady of Perpetual Help" decision
 
2013-08-09 09:37:52 AM  

mmagdalene: I'm a public school teacher and do not foresee that my child will attend public school after 3rd grade. Even that's looking sketchy as we're in NC, where the Republican legislature has just gutted public schools to fund vouchers for charter and homeschools (read: "Jesus Camps").


There are some good charter schools, to be fair, but they are there only because they've gutted public schools. I'm talking about charters that serve specific communities that might require a more specific focus--not jeebus.
 
2013-08-09 09:38:01 AM  

manbart: Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.  He's opting out, and any policies that he advocates for or against won't affect his kids.

...if you've never received food-stamps and medicaid, you cannot have an opinion on social welfare sepnding
...if you've never been to space, you cannot have an opinion on NASA's funding.
...If you've never been employed by an intelligence agency, you cannot have an opinion on government surveillance.


/derp


I didn't say he "cannot have an opinion" -- this is a free country after all.  But in your examples, your opinion is probably less useful than that of somebody who has been on food stamps or works with people on food stamps, or who has worked with NASA.

That last one though, theoretically we can all "have an opinion" on surveillance because we could all be spied on by the government.
 
2013-08-09 09:40:35 AM  

EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: Of course it does. If I'm being forced to chip in for pizza, I might as well grab a slice.

I see your taxes helped bankroll the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well. May I ask how long you stayed there, you know, to grab a slice of what you paid for?


What a silly retort. To the extent there are benefits of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, I am sharing in those like all of us, just like I contributed (or will contribute going forward to pay for the additional debt incurred) to the expense.
 
2013-08-09 09:41:33 AM  
To be fair, word is Hannity is about to be bumped from his timeslot by Megyn Kelly's new show, so he may have just reached DerpCon 5. Or, perhaps it was just a typical evening on 'Hannity'.

Time for Sean to pull himself up by his anagramed cowboy bootstraps and get to work.
 
2013-08-09 09:43:30 AM  
I don't buy the argument that unless he sends his kids to public school, he has no stake in the matter.
Is he a citizen of this country?
Then he has a stake in an educated population.
As Americans, we all benefit from a strong public school system. A well educated country is better than a poorly educated country.
 
2013-08-09 09:44:34 AM  
So.  He can afford it.  I'm sure they want Sasha and Malia to go to public school too.
 
2013-08-09 09:45:53 AM  

FlashHarry: The Drawing Board: Sean Hannity argues for a strong national defense yet never served.

some say he's also virulently anti-gay despite being a well-known homosexual.

/some say


Some say Glenn Beck raped and killed a young girl in 1990.
 
2013-08-09 09:46:08 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Just another Hollywood hypocrite, nothing surprising.


I gotta hand it to you, troll. For once you're telling the truth. Apparently, Hannity really did say this ridiculous crap.
 
2013-08-09 09:46:56 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Wooly Bully: No clicks for dicks!

Would anyone who suffered through this be kind enough to summarize (beyond a simple "derp")?

Damon made a big deal in other interviews how his public education was the best thing ever and that he wouldn't have traded it for anything thing.
He talks about how we need to support public support.

Then when it came time to support the schools by showing everyone that they are good enough for his precious snowflakes, he bailed on them.

Just another Hollywood hypocrite, nothing surprising.


i1199.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-09 09:47:28 AM  
So are the Fox News folks gonna show him up by having their kids attend public schools?  Thought so.
 
2013-08-09 09:48:40 AM  

Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore. He's opting out, and any policies that he advocates for or against won't affect his kids.


The quality of public education affects everyone.  Because if schools start turning out only professional drool-factories, those people go to work at the stores you shop at and the restaurants you eat at.  Do you really want someone with no critical thinking skills working on your car?  Do you want someone with no understanding of the English language proof-reading the instructions on your medicine label?  You want someone who doesn't understand what germs are cooking your hamburger?
 
2013-08-09 09:50:07 AM  

Wooly Bully: tenpoundsofcheese: Just another Hollywood hypocrite, nothing surprising.

I gotta hand it to you, troll. For once you're telling the truth. Apparently, Hannity really did say this ridiculous crap.


...where do you think the users of that account get their talking points?
 
2013-08-09 09:50:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: But when his actions show what a hypocrite he is, those opinions really don't mean very much.


Up until about a half hour ago I didn't even know his opinion on this subject at all, his opinion really never meant much to most people I'd imagine. I'm surprised at all the right wing fark nutters who apparently know all about the lives of celebrities they claim to hate.
 
2013-08-09 09:50:44 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: manbart: Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.  He's opting out, and any policies that he advocates for or against won't affect his kids.

...if you've never received paid taxes that are used for food-stamps and medicaid, you cannot have an opinion on social welfare sepnding
...if you've never been paid taxes that are used for to space programs, you cannot have an opinion on NASA's funding.
...If you've never been paid taxes that are used for employed by an intelligence agency, you cannot have an opinion on government surveillance.


/derp

ftfy.
You are looking at it backwards

Also, no one is saying Damon can not have an opinion.  Of course he can.  But when his actions show what a hypocrite he is, those opinions really don't mean very much.


You don't think Damon pays taxes? Because, frankly, that is the only way for him to not have a stake in the efficacy of public schools, and therefore be a hypocrite.
 
2013-08-09 09:52:28 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Fista-Phobia: tenpoundsofcheese: Wooly Bully: No clicks for dicks!

Would anyone who suffered through this be kind enough to summarize (beyond a simple "derp")?

Damon made a big deal in other interviews how his public education was the best thing ever and that he wouldn't have traded it for anything thing.
He talks about how we need to support public support.

Then when it came time to support the schools by showing everyone that they are good enough for his precious snowflakes, he bailed on them.

Just another Hollywood hypocrite, nothing surprising.

[i1199.photobucket.com image 366x492]

Not sure why you are posting a picture of yourself, but okay.


No U!. Please stop. Freeper Fridays suck.
 
2013-08-09 09:52:52 AM  
Ah, public schools. Another shining example of the Republican philosophy: "If it isn't perfect, BURN IT TO THE GROUND! So our rich donors can get richer providing these necessary services for profit."

See also: USPS, health care.
 
2013-08-09 09:53:13 AM  

Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.


You sure about that?

He has a stake in the quality of public schools because that's where most kids get their education. When those kids grow up they become doctors, nurses, lawyers, politicians, engineers, etc. They end up serving a vital role in society. Hell, he may have to rely on a doctor at some point in his life, so it is definitely in his best interest that kids have a good education, as his future doctor may have been a student of a public school.
 
2013-08-09 09:53:16 AM  
Don't ever let Republicans lecture you about class envy.
 
2013-08-09 09:53:54 AM  
FIELDS: He loves talking them up, but doesn't want to send his kids there.
You know, he said he didn't have a choice. He had to do it. Actually he did have a choice. The people who don't have a choice are the rest of Americans who don't have Matt Damon's bank account and can't afford to send their kids to a private school.
...
HANNITY: She's brining up a point you're ignoring. Why not give every American a choice?


You heard it here first, America. Sean Hannity advocating giving every American the money they need to send their kids to private schools.
 
2013-08-09 09:58:38 AM  
Wow... So if Matt Damon contributed money to homeless shelters wold Fox immediately call him a hypocrite for living in a house of his own?
 
2013-08-09 09:58:51 AM  

kidgenius: Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore.

You sure about that?

He has a stake in the quality of public schools because that's where most kids get their education. When those kids grow up they become doctors, nurses, lawyers, politicians, engineers, etc. They end up serving a vital role in society. Hell, he may have to rely on a doctor at some point in his life, so it is definitely in his best interest that kids have a good education, as his future doctor may have been a student of a public school.


Also, he also has a stake because he pays taxes that fund public schools. If he, another celebrity, or some old rich guy think we are spending too much on public schools, that person has just as valid an interest in someone who wants to spend more on education because some kid might be his doctor someday.
 
2013-08-09 09:58:59 AM  
I watched good will hunting for the first time last night. It was a good film, and I have nothing else to add to this thread.
 
2013-08-09 10:03:22 AM  
I'm sure Matt Damon doesn't pay any property taxes at all and therefor has no alleged skin in the public education game anyway.
 
2013-08-09 10:03:25 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?

I think it's the lack of a good education and graduation rates in many schools that concern people.
 Not the pursuit of a good education.
Matt Damon and others only reinforce the same policies and administration that have left millions trapped in a poverty,
These families are living the broken earth while he is the one actually living in Elysium.

Waiting for Superman addressed all this crap but was ignored and buried .http://youtu.be/ZKTfaro96dg

It's easier to just "derp" Romney "derp" republicans "derp" white guys. Rather than dig in and do the real work.
Matt Damon didn't change one damn thing with his little feel good speech.


Yes, Waiting for Superman was totally ignored.  Nobody ever saw it.  People haven't been placing policies in effect that create charter schools for years.  Charter schools are not available in 40 states and DC.  Ironically, they haven't fixed anything.  In fact, on the New York exam recently, only 21% of charter school students were proficient, 10% less than public school students in NYC than were proficient.  See, the problem I have with those who advocate the current education reform fads is that they often have NO idea of what is actually going on.

Finally, if we want to attack Matt Damon for being a hypocrite, then we must attack all of the charter school administrators and politicians who do not send their kids to charter schools for being hypocrites.  Why doesn't Sean Hannity send his two children to charter schools?
 
2013-08-09 10:04:27 AM  
When Jimmy Carter was president he sent Amy to a PUBLIC elementary school in Washington, D.C. Carter was not a good president but what you could never fault him on was this. He was and is a man of integrity. If all the smart and rich kids like Matt Damon's go to private schools the public schools are AUTOMATICALLY SHORTCHANGED AND MADE WORSE!

  I've been on all sides of the debate. I have home schooled my kids AND sent them to public schools. When I first decided to home school my oldest son his public school teacher responded with "There go the class test scores!"
My son got a better education but his peers lost out on his presence. The SAME thing is happening with Matt Damon's kids!
 
2013-08-09 10:06:06 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Kome: You don't think Damon pays taxes? Because, frankly, that is the only way for him to not have a stake in the efficacy of public schools, and therefore be a hypocrite.

I don't think he pays his fair share.

His hypocrisy comes from the disconnect of his preaching and his actions, not whether he is paying taxes.


You heard it here today, Fark - one of the shills using the tenpoundsofcheese account just advocated for higher taxes upon the rich.
 
2013-08-09 10:08:49 AM  
The worst part of the exchange was the blatant lying by Hannity.  He said that the high school graduation rate in New York city is below 50%, when in fact the graduation rate was 65% .
 
2013-08-09 10:10:33 AM  
Actually, I have this to add. Public school blows. Or least in my experience it does, but then again I went to one of the worst high schools in Illinois.
 
2013-08-09 10:11:44 AM  
What's good for the GOOSE is good for the GANDER.

blogs.sfweekly.com

Why doesn't Obama (or other rich liberals, Damon) send their kids to 'good' public schools?
 
2013-08-09 10:13:33 AM  
I was waiting for this.  The wing nutters are PISSED about Elysium.  Is it rife with SOCIALISM.  They don't quite understand it, but they are CONVINCED this movie has some bad things to say about Rich People and Capitalism.
 
2013-08-09 10:15:20 AM  

Dog Welder: Ivandrago: I find this confusing. You can't be an advocate of public schools if you send your kids to private schools? I'm an advocate of strong public schools, but I went to a private high school. Does that make me a hypocrite? Why does wanting everyone to get a good education regardless of wealth make me a hypocrite?

According to Sean Hannity, you're a hypocrite.  And your feet smell.  And you probably eat your boogers, too.


Well, if anyone would know about eating boogers...
 
2013-08-09 10:17:24 AM  

peter21: To be fair, word is Hannity is about to be bumped from his timeslot by Megyn Kelly's new show, so he may have just reached DerpCon 5. Or, perhaps it was just a typical evening on 'Hannity'.

Time for Sean to pull himself up by his anagramed cowboy bootstraps and get to work.


Hatnity?  Nithany?  Annhity?  Tanhiny?
 
2013-08-09 10:17:44 AM  
Pointing out liberal hypocrisy is FOX news' bread and butter. And denying that hypocrisy in the face of overwhelming evidnence is MSNBC's bread and butter
 
2013-08-09 10:18:47 AM  

Wooly Bully: No clicks for dicks!

Would anyone who suffered through this be kind enough to summarize (beyond a simple "derp")?


I watched the entire embedded video.  Some really hot chick just kept cutting everyone off in a sorority type of nasally voice.  Weird boner happened at this users end.
 
2013-08-09 10:18:54 AM  

Delawheredad: If all the smart and rich kids like Matt Damon's go to private schools the public schools are AUTOMATICALLY SHORTCHANGED AND MADE WORSE!


Remind me....

How does not have super-smart kids at a public school hurt the public school? The school still gets the tax dollars from the parents of that kid, even though the kid isn't taking advantage of his publicly funded education.

Oh, maybe the school's test scores aren't buoyed up by the smart kids? I'd say then that the smart kids are merely masking a problem, not helping to fix it.
 
2013-08-09 10:18:57 AM  
I don't have kids yet but I will be sending them to private schools. But I always vote yes on school tax levies because public schools need help. Am I a bad person?
 
2013-08-09 10:20:16 AM  

NostroZ: What's good for the GOOSE is good for the GANDER.

[blogs.sfweekly.com image 550x381]

Why doesn't Obama (or other rich liberals, Damon) send their kids to 'good' public schools?


Because, seperate but equal, still means something to some people.
 
2013-08-09 10:21:17 AM  

PanicMan: Arkanaut: I hate to admit it, but I think Fox has a point -- if he's sending his kids to private school, Matt Damon doesn't have a stake in the quality of public schools anymore. He's opting out, and any policies that he advocates for or against won't affect his kids.

The quality of public education affects everyone.  Because if schools start turning out only professional drool-factories, those people go to work at the stores you shop at and the restaurants you eat at.  Do you really want someone with no critical thinking skills working on your car?  Do you want someone with no understanding of the English language proof-reading the instructions on your medicine label?  You want someone who doesn't understand what germs are cooking your hamburger?


Yes, but what kind of policies improve that quality? More testing or less? How should schools set their priorities? How do we get parents involved? With something as complicated as the school system, the devil's in the details.  TFA doesn't seem to say much about what specifically Damon advocates or has advocated for, but if he's going to be an activist about it, it behooves him to have "somebody on the inside", so to speak.

I suppose that a good alternative would be if, while he's doing his activist work, he's also surveying parents and teachers and such -- and we don't know that he's not.  But he's still not putting anything at risk.  Put it this way -- if you're an activist investor, not only do you stand to gain if the executives listen to your proposals, but you also stand to lose if they don't work out; that gives you more credibility than if you're just a protester outside the office building with a bullhorn with no ties to the company.  Matt Damon has enough money to be the activist investor, but he's choosing instead to be the guy with a bullhorn.

Plus, I don't know much about Matt Damon's lifestyle, but because of his wealth, he's inoculated from the vicissitudes of everyday life like you mention in your post.  He probably buys new cars instead of used, and takes them to a proven, certified mechanic instead of Joe's Body Shop down the street.  He probably has good doctors that check up on his health status regularly.  And how often do you suppose he goes to a fast food place for a burger?
 
2013-08-09 10:23:41 AM  
So I see conservatives still don't know what hypocrisy means
 
2013-08-09 10:24:32 AM  

lisse24: He has purposefully aligned himself with a group that says, "Public schools are great! We don't need to change anything."


I suspect that public schools would work just fine if wages hadn't stagnated over the last 30 years, and most families could still get by with a single earner.  Our home lives have changed drastically in the last 40 years, and school funding (and the law) have not progressed to the point of being able to deal with dramatically increased absenteeism of parents.  We rely more and more on schools to raise children with dramatically expanded liability for any actions they might or might not take, but we haven't looked at the system and said, "We're paying these people to simultaneous parent AND teach a room of 30 kids.  Maybe we should figure out what goes into doing ALL that."

Here's an idea, maybe we put two teachers in each room.  Put one of them in charge of teaching certain subjects, one in charge of others (maybe an educated scientific professional teaching math and science, leaning on the other's teaching degree for supervision so they don't have to have multiple degrees and extra masters programs or whatever to teach) and have the other enforcing discipline while the active teacher runs lessons.
 
2013-08-09 10:25:07 AM  
It is abhorrent that he is advocating for a publicly available minimum standard of education. Absolutely terrible.
 
2013-08-09 10:25:16 AM  

clkeagle: ...I assume the outrage is that Matt Damon isn't demanding a taxpayer-funded voucher to cover their private tuition?


No, he won life's lottery and can afford things that the shrinking middle class and lower classes can't. Probably takes advantage of all kinds of tax loopholes in order to keep from paying his fair share too.
 
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