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(Examiner)   Get ready for the avalanche of criticism... The Obamas are headed to Martha's Vineyard for an 8-day luxury stay at a $7.6 million mansion this Saturday... Even if you think he deserves a vacay, let's be honest - that leaves Biden in charge? Hell no   (examiner.com) divider line 268
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2013-08-09 10:50:51 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: eventually it'll come around to Pelosi's bar tab on her flights.


I still get a chuckle out of that one, since there is no alcohol served on Air Force planes - including the ones Pelosi used. That the press was willing to repeat this without stopping to think, "wouldn't be a regulation against boozing on a military aircraft?" was...well, disappointing, but not unexpected.
 
2013-08-09 10:52:54 AM  

BMFPitt: So Subby thinks you have to physically be in the White House to be in charge buy the place you're staying at when you go on vacation?


that too...
 
2013-08-09 10:52:59 AM  
On the good side only 200,000 people had to be furloughed for them to take this vaca.
 
2013-08-09 10:53:44 AM  

phenn: monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?

Name one politician, in your lifetime, who wasn't.

I'll wait.


Jimmy Carter.

Also Obama (I mean, except for his Indo-Muslo-Pinko-CanineConsumption-Alternative-Energy-Embracing Blackness, of course).
 
2013-08-09 10:54:18 AM  

Spudsy1: On the good side only 200,000 people had to be furloughed for them to take this vaca.


2/10
/also furloughed today
 
2013-08-09 10:54:20 AM  

MisterRonbo: since there is no alcohol served on Air Force planes - including the ones Pelosi used


Well that's it. I'm canceling my Presidential bid. Thanks for the warning, you saved me a lot of time and money.
 
2013-08-09 10:55:29 AM  

Spudsy1: On the good side only 200,000 people had to be furloughed for them to take this vaca.


From his profile:

If you are going to disrespect the United States and say that your country is better than the United States then MOVE BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.

Just curious, if your God also better than my God?

And Can You Really Not Believe It's Not Butter?
 
2013-08-09 10:58:06 AM  
When Bush to vacations, most everyone here was outraged. When Obama takes one most everyone one says no big deal. Here's the facts, both president had a mobile command center at his command does it really matter where he's at?
 
2013-08-09 11:00:05 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: Oh goodie.  Now this is where the frivolous back-and-fourth crap can begin.  First we're going to need a Fark Conservative to crack jokes about Obama's 4238 golf games played during his presidency, then Fark Libs will counter with the Corona Beer Bottle "Days on Vacation" graphic which shows Bush having a lot more vacation days.

Sooner or later someone will pull up the ever-popular "This is costing the taxpayers $17 bazillionty for SS protection alone!"  Countered with "you'd rather have POTUS have no protection?!"  Then some stats on the Prez's limo somewhere, and eventually it'll come around to Pelosi's bar tab on her flights.

Some of these things could simply be copied/pasted from one day to the next.


There's actually a handy graphic for that.

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2013-08-09 11:00:56 AM  

d23: bigsmellypenis: How is it news when the president takes the same vacation to the same place as every other president?

...just curious

he's black.

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Why is Benghazi a controversy when the Bush-Cheney administration and others suffered embassy attacks?

He's black.

Why is health insurance reform a tool of the devil, an assault on state's rights and an offense against Jesus?

He's black.

Why is closing Gitmo and transferring prisoners to US soil and non-military jurisdictions?

He's black.

Why does the GOP and the Teabaggers hate him so?

He's black.

What's the one thing that matters the least to me in convincing me he's one of our best presidents in generations?

He's black.
 
2013-08-09 11:01:05 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Joe Biden (in the oval Office)
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You can't explain that.
 
2013-08-09 11:01:09 AM  

coeyagi: And Can You Really Not Believe It's Not Butter?


Brummel and Brown...you'll never believe it's not butter...
 
2013-08-09 11:02:29 AM  

Sagus: When Bush to vacations, most everyone here was outraged. When Obama takes one most everyone one says no big deal. Here's the facts, both president had a mobile command center at his command does it really matter where he's at?


Ah, the difference is that when Bush took vacations - over double the amount that Obama has - the outrage was over the fact that he was taking so much vacation time.  There was no real outrage over the cost, just the fact that the guy seemed to be permanently on vacation.

Obama's critics keep bringing up cost, conveniently ignoring the fact that Bush spent just as much.
 
2013-08-09 11:02:35 AM  

Sagus: When Bush to vacations, most everyone here was outraged. When Obama takes one most everyone one says no big deal. Here's the facts, both president had a mobile command center at his command does it really matter where he's at?


I think this line of reasoning is crap.

Yes, in matters of a crisis, both had access.  But that doesn't mean they are working during their vacations, it just means they CAN do anything they need to during the vacation.

So, it goes back to:  who took the most vacations?

Answer: the guy pulling a rank of about 33rd in the "Best President in U.S. History" list.
 
2013-08-09 11:05:21 AM  
What are they trying to do, get white people to riot? Don't they know white people don't riot. I mean why would we, we are white and that is the best thing to be in the world.
 
2013-08-09 11:05:25 AM  

Mikey1969: fireclown: I just think that with the current "danger level code plaid" status that the president should be in his office.  Hobnobbing with the beautiful people under these conditions is . . . unseemly.

Personally, I think these "conditions" are just because someone farted in AlQuaeda Land, and after benghazi, Obama has decided that over-reacting is better than reacting like a President normally would.


That is very possible.  And there is a good deal of guesswork involved in interpreting this stuff.  But the administration made the decision to treat this one VERY SERIOUSLY, and once you do that you start looking a little foolish when you act like it's just another day.
 
2013-08-09 11:08:31 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: What are they trying to do, get white people to riot? Don't they know white people don't riot. I mean why would we, we are white and that is the best thing to be in the world.


They are trying to get the wrong sort of white people to riot.  Have you ever tried to riot in a Hoverround?  Do you think you can muster a successful riot if you can't even spell "informed" or "dissent" correctly?

No, our best chances for white rioting were quelled by pepper spray and reports of police car defecation.
 
2013-08-09 11:09:57 AM  

wingnut396: fireclown: d23: fireclown: i'll start the criticism:  this is during the BIGGEST TERRURIST THREAT EVAR!  Or so I'm told.  I would like to humbly suggest that this is exactly the kind of time that a president should be hunkered near the batphone with his advisers.

So what the hell... Martha's Vineyard doesn't have good internet?  What the hell?  Is he that far from good phone service?

Of course it does, and no he is not.  It isn't even THAT far from DC.  And on any other day I wouldn't have that big of a problem with it. Heck, I've argued your point.  It's just that we just closed our embassy in freaking Lahore.  There is some kind of weird balloon going up right now, and it's a good time for the POTUS to be ready to swing into action and not be conducting business by skype or whatever.

Meh, if Martha's Vineyard is about 450 miles from the White House, then its about 4 hours away door to door via a Marine One helo if all hell breaks loose. (going by the stats on wiki for a Sea King).


Dude, the MV Airport is a 2 minute helo ride from anywhere on the Island...and I'm sure AF1 is pretty much always on standby while he's there, so He's actually only about 1.5-2 hrs from DC
 
2013-08-09 11:13:30 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: wingnut396: fireclown: d23: fireclown: i'll start the criticism:  this is during the BIGGEST TERRURIST THREAT EVAR!  Or so I'm told.  I would like to humbly suggest that this is exactly the kind of time that a president should be hunkered near the batphone with his advisers.

So what the hell... Martha's Vineyard doesn't have good internet?  What the hell?  Is he that far from good phone service?

Of course it does, and no he is not.  It isn't even THAT far from DC.  And on any other day I wouldn't have that big of a problem with it. Heck, I've argued your point.  It's just that we just closed our embassy in freaking Lahore.  There is some kind of weird balloon going up right now, and it's a good time for the POTUS to be ready to swing into action and not be conducting business by skype or whatever.

Meh, if Martha's Vineyard is about 450 miles from the White House, then its about 4 hours away door to door via a Marine One helo if all hell breaks loose. (going by the stats on wiki for a Sea King).

Dude, the MV Airport is a 2 minute helo ride from anywhere on the Island...and I'm sure AF1 is pretty much always on standby while he's there, so He's actually only about 1.5-2 hrs from DC


Dude, who needs to be in DC? Modern communications tech allows a command post to be set up anywhere. It's not like he needs to be in a physical location to receive reports about any crises anywhere in the world. Being in DC is just a convenience for those old guys from southern states who can't quite grasp modern tech, like cell phones and satellite communication.
 
2013-08-09 11:14:01 AM  
A riot of white people is known as a "Woodstock" or "Texas Tech football game."
 
2013-08-09 11:15:42 AM  

monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?


He farts on bongos. What more do you need?
 
2013-08-09 11:16:20 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Being in DC is just a convenience for those old guys from southern states who can't quite grasp modern tech, like cell phones and satellite communication.


The government still requires you to fax signed documents when you're dealing with them. You think they have the infrastructure to allow things like teleconferencing
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-09 11:16:42 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Harry Freakstorm: Joe Biden (in the oval Office)
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2013-08-09 11:18:20 AM  
I assume the real problem is pizza cheese.
 
2013-08-09 11:18:48 AM  

phenn: monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?

Name one politician, in your lifetime, who wasn't.

I'll wait.


I guess it comes down a definition of bad. In politics I reserve that label for someone who I see as malicious or taking actions to enrich themselves at the expense of taxpayers. Sounds like you are also including ineffective or other measures I was not.
 
2013-08-09 11:19:14 AM  

Mugato: MisterRonbo: since there is no alcohol served on Air Force planes - including the ones Pelosi used

Well that's it. I'm canceling my Presidential bid. Thanks for the warning, you saved me a lot of time and money.


There is booze on AF 1.
 
2013-08-09 11:19:25 AM  

lockers: I assume the real problem is pizza cheese.


Hence the bongo farting.
 
2013-08-09 11:20:50 AM  

Mikey1969: This puts the money into perspective:


Republicans argue that Bush's vacations were cheaper because many of them were taken at his ranch in Crawford, TX, but this is not true. President Bush spent more taxpayer money on a single flight to Crawford ($805,000) than Obama will be spending on 70 hotel rooms for a week ($181,125). The flight from the White House to Crawford is 1,435.8 miles each way. The distance from the White House to Martha's Vineyard is 494.8 miles. The flight to Martha's Vineyard is 75 minutes. The cost of Obama's flight should be $214,000 each way. What Bush may have gained by owning the ranch was offset by the fact that his flight was three times longer. Obama's hotel and flight still cost a little less than half as much as one Bush flight to Crawford.

President Bush also inflated his vacation costs, because he rarely just flew to Crawford and back. The Bush administration tried to combat criticism of the then president's constant vacationing, by setting up a series of day trips on each vacation. President Bush's "working vacations" cost taxpayers a small fortune, because he used Air Force One as his personal taxi service to make trips all across the country, and returned to Crawford at night.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/30/bush-spent-1-flight-crawford- ob amas-entire-week-vacation-hotel-rooms.html

Any BushBabies out there to "prove" everything wrong?


With airplanes, the relationship between distance traveled and cost isn't exactly linear.
 
2013-08-09 11:21:11 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: How dare he breathe when there are unemployed Americans still needing oxygen!


That uppity motherfarker!
 
2013-08-09 11:22:24 AM  

Carth: On the one hand he has taken far less vacation than Bush. On the other hand the vacations he has taken have been far more extravagant. I'll allow this trip but he needs to visit a fast food place at least one to show he is in touch with the common man.


I thought all the fast food workers were on strike.
 
2013-08-09 11:23:06 AM  

coeyagi: phenn: monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?

Name one politician, in your lifetime, who wasn't.

I'll wait.

Jimmy Carter.

Also Obama (I mean, except for his Indo-Muslo-Pinko-CanineConsumption-Alternative-Energy-Embracing Blackness, of course).


I couldn't give less than a rat's ass about the color of his skin or what magical mystery man he calls god. The drone attacks alone are enough for me to consider him a bad guy.
 
2013-08-09 11:27:27 AM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Dude, the MV Airport is a 2 minute helo ride from anywhere on the Island...and I'm sure AF1 is pretty much always on standby while he's there, so He's actually only about 1.5-2 hrs from DC


Yes, but until he gets back to the White House and puts on his helmet of Presidential Power then this country will be without a leader!
 
2013-08-09 11:27:53 AM  
Parents getting some alone time before school starts for the kids....
The horror of it all
 
2013-08-09 11:28:26 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: Sagus: When Bush to vacations, most everyone here was outraged. When Obama takes one most everyone one says no big deal. Here's the facts, both president had a mobile command center at his command does it really matter where he's at?

Ah, the difference is that when Bush took vacations - over double the amount that Obama has - the outrage was over the fact that he was taking so much vacation time.  There was no real outrage over the cost, just the fact that the guy seemed to be permanently on vacation.

Obama's critics keep bringing up cost, conveniently ignoring the fact that Bush spent just as much.


I personally like it when politicians take vacations it means their not passing stupid laws that interfere on my rights.
 
2013-08-09 11:30:25 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The President of the United States is never on vacation. Ever.

I don't care if he is in Crawford or Martha's Vineyard.


This.
 
2013-08-09 11:31:11 AM  

Sagus: I personally like it when politicians take vacations it means their not passing stupid laws that interfere on my rights.


I was doubly in favor of Bush taking vacays for similar reasons.

/Vacay.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-09 11:31:19 AM  

phenn: The drone attacks alone are enough for me to consider him a bad guy.


And I respect that.  I respect that a lot, actually... but go on to any TV noize channel and the reasons for disliking Obama are derp.  There is either no reason given at all ("Study it out"), a dog-whistle racist reason ("he's lazy"), or that he's a godless Democrat.

If you have a real reason for dissent more power to you.  The problem is that 99.9% of the time we are talking about non-real reasons.
 
2013-08-09 11:34:43 AM  

phenn: coeyagi: phenn: monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?

Name one politician, in your lifetime, who wasn't.

I'll wait.

Jimmy Carter.

Also Obama (I mean, except for his Indo-Muslo-Pinko-CanineConsumption-Alternative-Energy-Embracing Blackness, of course).

I couldn't give less than a rat's ass about the color of his skin or what magical mystery man he calls god. The drone attacks alone are enough for me to consider him a bad guy.


Well, we might not like the things our commanders-in-chiefs do, but I don't consider him bad if he has to weigh the awful choices of 1) potentially more terrorist attacks vs. 2) suspended rights.

I consider someone bad who deliberately starts wars for no f*cking reason (other than maybe to line his buddies' pockets) and then makes the next guy have to make the tough choice.
 
2013-08-09 11:38:52 AM  

d23: If you have a real reason for dissent more power to you. The problem is that 99.9% of the time we are talking about non-real reasons.


Unfortunately, you are correct. That's a crying shame and one of the reasons I don't trouble myself with cable news or talk radio.

coeyagi: Well, we might not like the things our commanders-in-chiefs do, but I don't consider him bad if he has to weigh the awful choices of 1) potentially more terrorist attacks vs. 2) suspended rights.


If rights are 'suspended', they were never rights to begin with, yes? I don't fear terrorists. I fear an overreaching government.
 
2013-08-09 11:38:52 AM  

coeyagi: phenn: coeyagi: phenn: monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?

Name one politician, in your lifetime, who wasn't.

I'll wait.

Jimmy Carter.

Also Obama (I mean, except for his Indo-Muslo-Pinko-CanineConsumption-Alternative-Energy-Embracing Blackness, of course).

I couldn't give less than a rat's ass about the color of his skin or what magical mystery man he calls god. The drone attacks alone are enough for me to consider him a bad guy.

Well, we might not like the things our commanders-in-chiefs do, but I don't consider him bad if he has to weigh the awful choices of 1) potentially more terrorist attacks vs. 2) suspended rights.

I consider someone bad who deliberately starts wars for no f*cking reason (other than maybe to line his buddies' pockets) and then makes the next guy have to make the tough choice.


And just to clarify before the "HURR DERR You defend Obummer blindly!" brigade chimes in, I don't LIKE the choice, I don't SUPPORT the choice, but I UNDERSTAND the choice unlike folks such as you who have never had to make a choice like that.  And then they say "well if I was president....".  Just STFU right there, bucko.  If you were president, you'd have A LOT more intel to work with, a lot more data, and harder decisions.  You can't say "If i were president" and pretend you'd be working with the same outsider perspective and you'd " do the right" thing.

You can however say "If I were president, maybe I wouldn't be such an asshole and start a war for no god damn reason based on almost no evidence because that is a f*cking evil, greedy thing to do" and then I'd believe you.
 
2013-08-09 11:38:54 AM  

d23: bigsmellypenis: How is it news when the president takes the same vacation to the same place as every other president?

...just curious

he's black.

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Pretty much this.
 
2013-08-09 11:40:52 AM  
I don't care if it's Obama or Bush or whoever... They all vacation too much and foot the taxpayer with the bill. I voted for the guy twice, but if he wants time off, he should relax at home.
 
2013-08-09 11:41:14 AM  

phenn: d23: If you have a real reason for dissent more power to you. The problem is that 99.9% of the time we are talking about non-real reasons.

Unfortunately, you are correct. That's a crying shame and one of the reasons I don't trouble myself with cable news or talk radio.

coeyagi: Well, we might not like the things our commanders-in-chiefs do, but I don't consider him bad if he has to weigh the awful choices of 1) potentially more terrorist attacks vs. 2) suspended rights.

If rights are 'suspended', they were never rights to begin with, yes? I don't fear terrorists. I fear an overreaching government.


Well, it's the same argument we've been having under ANY president - security vs. liberty.  As I just stated, some things I agree with, some I don't.  I don't LIKE this choice, but it doesn't make Obama a bad guy in my view.  You can choose to disagree with me, but again, YOU have never been burdened with awful choices like that.  Now go on to McDonald's and contemplate your Big Mac vs. Quarter Pounder with Cheese decision.
 
2013-08-09 11:44:56 AM  
Biden has my fullest confidence. It's Silly Season. If anything silly needs saying, I have complete faith in his ability to say it.

Barring the kind of disaster that would recall the First Family from their August vacation in Martha's Vineyard, Biden is good enough and smart enough, and dammit, some people like him.

Let's face it. Being a kindly but dumb uncle who says some stupid things but means well is within his grasp. He's no FDR, but on the other hand, he's no FDR.

FDR was a bit of a dick sometimes, and so is Biden, but Biden is a nicer guy, if less intelligent and politically savey and I suspect that we ought to cut him enough slack to let him get on with his job of not being a threat the President of the United States and of standing in the way of Republicans who would kill the President to put themselves or one of their own stooges in the office. That, in the deciding vote in event of a tie in the Senate, is his job, and he's doing the best he can while the Boss is away deciding whether he should take advantage of the week off to start a mustache and a goatee.

He shouldn't. I don't think a mustache would look good on him, and the goatee would lead to conspiracy theories about him being replace by an Even More Evil Twin.
 
2013-08-09 11:45:11 AM  

nocturnal001: d23: bigsmellypenis: How is it news when the president takes the same vacation to the same place as every other president?

...just curious

he's black.

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Pretty much this.


to be fair, a black guy going to Marthas vineyard for vacation IS kind of a big deal.  It might be the WASP-iest place on earth.
 
2013-08-09 11:46:20 AM  
No recent president of either party has ever had a vacation. Their work and staff follow them wherever they go.
 
2013-08-09 11:46:27 AM  

coeyagi: Well, it's the same argument we've been having under ANY president - security vs. liberty. As I just stated, some things I agree with, some I don't. I don't LIKE this choice, but it doesn't make Obama a bad guy in my view. You can choose to disagree with me, but again, YOU have never been burdened with awful choices like that. Now go on to McDonald's and contemplate your Big Mac vs. Quarter Pounder with Cheese decision.


No, thank you. I decided to leave. After about 19 years of being politically active and civic-minded, I learned the hard way that you absolutely cannot fight city hall. Sad, but true.

I opted to be done with it and live free.
 
2013-08-09 11:47:53 AM  

kwame: I look forward to Facebook posts from my uncle about how Obama is wasting 7.6 million in taxpayer dollars to go on vacation, then.


This is very much yes.
 
2013-08-09 11:49:39 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: A riot of white people is known as a "Woodstock" or "Texas Tech football game."


I thought there was one in Florida, too, during the 2000 vote recount, sponsored by Brooks Brothers.
 
2013-08-09 11:49:50 AM  

phenn: monoski: 1derful: I think Obama is a bad guy, and I have no problem with him vacaying as much as he wants.

Just to keep my Friday lively; why is he a bad guy?

Name one politician, in your lifetime, who wasn't.

I'll wait.


Leo Ryan.

I volunteered in his Congressional office when I was in high school. Never got to meet him, but always admired the guy. He died trying to help people - nearly all of whom hadn't even lived in his district (he represented San Mateo County, most of the Guyana victims were from San Francisco's Fillmore district).
 
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