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(Miami Herald)   Maybe it's time we stop referring to tasers as 'non'-lethal   (miamiherald.com) divider line 7
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2013-08-08 09:13:45 PM  
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berylman: Tranquilizer darts and blowguns need to make a comeback. Can't be any worse.


I am currently working on a prototype specifically for parents to use on their kids. Working name is ShaddupNGoToSleep.
2013-08-09 12:13:49 PM  
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capt.hollister: Litterbox: hubiestubert: And you think that tasering a teenager who was spray painting as his big crime de jour, meets those requirements? Really?

I never said that.  From what I understand of this event, he ran and then allegedly attacked an officer.  He got Tased because he was not complying with the officers while being arrested, not because he was spraypainting.  Lets look at it another way...what if there were no Taser here and the cops got into a fistfight with this kid or something else happens that didnt need to.  Its unfortunate that he died, but the Taser had little to nothing to do with that.

I'm not against cops (well, except when they give me a ticket, in which case they are nothing more that tax collectors) and I will not insult you or call you names. But that last statement leaves me wondering. The kid may have been high, he may have had a preexisting medical condition, but what ultimately killed him was the cops' Taser. Until he ran into the Taser, he had managed to live quite well (though perhaps not productively) with his hypothesized drug habit or medical condition, so those are not what killed him. Have you ever considered that every single time your department uses a Taser there is a possibility (you place it 1:100000) that it will kill someone ? in your city of 20,000,000 that's at least 200 people who should not be tasered. Are you willing to take the risk that everyone you taser is not one of these 200 ?

I bet that within your own department, every time a Taser is used to train one of your own, a doctor is present...


You would categorically lose that bet.  Doctors are not present at all because there is no need for them.  Hell, when these people are shot with the Taser in the field, the probes are removed by the officers in most cases.  In our detention center, we remove the probes with our response team and the inmates are checked by either an LVN or a MA. They get a band-aid for the probe wound and sent back to their cell.  The 1:100,000 figure is from Taser themselves.  There is nothing to prove that this kid died from the Taser..heck, for all we know it was excited delirium. Everything is pure speculation at this point.  Also, keep in mind that when we train new officers as Taser operators, you are looking at 20-25 people all getting shot with the Taser in one instance.  Thats like a years worth of people for a medium sized department.  0 deaths. 0 complications.  Also, no cocaine, no heroin, no meth, no excited delirium etc.  The Taser instructors are shot repeatedly during their training and have to endure it yearly.  Again, 0 deaths, 0 complications.
2013-08-09 12:14:17 AM  
1 votes:
As a shop owner I have one comment for a vandal dying by misadventure while committing a crime:

Good
2013-08-08 11:32:54 PM  
1 votes:
I would be outraged if he was innocent.

1. He was vandalizing private property.
2. He resisted arrest.

No need to read further. Outcome was harsh, but avoidable by not being a punk. No loss to society IMO.
2013-08-08 09:33:41 PM  
1 votes:
I was a lawn artist in high school. My RWD pickup truck a tool of my craft.
2013-08-08 09:25:05 PM  
1 votes:

Kiwimann: Yeah, read the article.  Very sorry he died, but he was committing vandalism and resisting arrest.

That's not to say that he in any way deserved to die, but you can draw a line of causality from the choices he made to the end that he met.   If he hadn't been vandalizing private property, he would be alive today.  If he hadn't tried to run away from the police who caught him vandalizing private property, he would also be alive today.

Bad choices can occasionally produce bad outcomes.


You are a goddamned moron.
2013-08-08 07:29:22 PM  
1 votes:
Overzealous staffer, etc.
 
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